BS: 46 years ago today

Subject: BS: 46 years ago today
From: kendall
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 08:27 PM

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the assassination of President Kennedy. Will the truth ever be known?

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Dave Swan
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 08:52 PM

I hope the truth will be known one day, Kendall. But how will we know the truth of that matter?

D

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Beer
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 09:00 PM

Kendall,
I started a thread on J.F.K. in 2007 and it had 113 hits. In 2008 I don't think anyone remembered. I hope this thread stays up for awhile. Despite whether folks feel he was a good or bad or would have been a good or bad President, one thing is that we folks who were old enough to remember that particular moment will never forget where we were or what we were doing.
Adrien

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 09:00 PM

JFK was shot and killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, who was in turn shot by Jack Ruby. As for whether or not LHO could have made the shot that killed Kennedy -- I've been to Dealy (or however you spell it) Plaza and seen the site: I could have done it.

As for the rest, the underlying motives and such...who knows? Who will ever know?

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: open mike
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 09:14 PM

perhaps we should add a link the the 2007 thread here?
what's it called? grassy knoll? and what about that upstairs
warehouse ....

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Amos
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 09:56 PM

It amazed me none of the major newspapers mentioned this anniversary. I still get a twinge and flinch a little thinking about it.


A

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Janie
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 10:35 PM

Until I opened this thread I did not think about it or remember it at all.   I'm a little surprised the CNN article appearing today about his nephew being asked to not participate in the Eucharist did not at least make some mention.

The reality, 46 years later, is that Edward Kennedy had a much more profound impact with his long and able run in the Senate than did his brother, and we as a nation and world have pressing concerns about the present and the future, so we are not looking back so much.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 11:59 PM

Amos:.."It amazed me none of the major newspapers mentioned this anniversary"

Probably because, JFK was so 'conservative' by today's standards, that both the right and left, would like to forget.

'Tis a shame!

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:20 AM

Aldous Huxley died nn November 22, 1963. One of the great men of 20th century literature, his death went nearly unnoticed, overshadowed, as it was, by the assassination of JFK on that day.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: kendall
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 02:37 AM

NBC news mentioned it as a passing point of fact.

What you thought of him as president is irrelevent; it's the idea that anyone can just kill the president of the United States of North America. It's more effective than stuffing the ballot box.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 07:25 AM

The truth is that he's still dead and any other version of the truth - at this point - doesn't really matter. What would change if any of the many other versions of what could of happened turned out to be true?

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 08:13 AM

I thought of the assassination this morning when I heard that four Americans died in Afghanistan yesterday. A happy Thanksgiving for their families.
RIP

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 08:41 AM

Just this morning I read the Letters to the Editor section of this month's Vanity Fair -- the letters regarding the article a couple months ago on Jackie's disapproval of William Manchester's book, The Death of a President. From the responses, it seems that the part of the popula

I find it very scary when history is found to be "irrelevant".

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 08:42 AM

Sorry -- part of my post above seemed to disappear. Here's how it should read --

Just this morning I read the Letters to the Editor section of this month's Vanity Fair -- the letters regarding the article a couple months ago on Jackie's disapproval of William Manchester's book, The Death of a President. From the responses, it seems that the part of the population who doesn't remember (didn't live through) the assassination finds it to be irrelevant.

I find it very scary when history is found to be "irrelevant".

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 09:18 AM

I still don't understand why the security men who were on the runners of the car, were all told to jump off and go behind.....and *then* the shots were fired.....

So, why did the guy in charge order that? You can see the other guys not wanting to step off the car, but they're ordered to.

Who gave the guy in charge *his* orders?

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 09:20 AM

And I was 9 years old, sat in front of the gas fire that evening, with the little transistor radio on...feeling all sleepy. I didn't react to the news very much, when it came out of the speakers, as politics was beyond me back then, too busy being a child..but my Mum and Dad looked so shocked that I knew something terrible had happened...and that's when the TV went on......

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Louie Roy
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 05:04 PM

I've always thought of the late president on November 22 for the past 46 years.In December 1963 President Johbson sent out a letter to all the elected Chaplains of the Veterans Of Foreign to have a special rememberance at their Mid winter council meeting. Since I was at that time the elected Montana State Chaplain of the VFW I wrote a special memorial for president Kennedy and gave it at our council meeting in Janiary 1964 Later in the year 1964 I sent a copy of this memorial to the Freedom Foundation and won $600.00 in a contest they were sponsoring. So every year on November 22 I get this memorial out and reread it and I remember the exact time he was shot and where

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 05:57 PM

"I still don't understand why the security men who were on the runners of the car, were all told to jump off and go behind.....and *then* the shots were fired.....

"So, why did the guy in charge order that? You can see the other guys not wanting to step off the car, but they're ordered to.

"Who gave the guy in charge *his* orders?" Lizzie Cornish

Tjhat's a new one on me.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Rasener
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 06:27 PM

Bugger, I missed this.

I remember running a dance for my cricket club in England on that night and shellshocked I announced that P.K. had been assasinated and the room went so quite and people were stunned. It almost spoilt the evening.
I am sure it made people drink more.
Whatever his good or bad points, I respected him greatly and I don't think IMHO that there has been a better president since then, in the USA, apart from Kendall of course :-)

I will get my flack jacket.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 07:06 PM

Jack Kennedy, Aldous Huxley - and CS Lewis.   Quite a day for dying, November 22nd 1963.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 08:37 PM

CS Lewis, too? I must confess I've never read any of his work. I'm sure it's my loss.

I'm with Ebbie on the secret service thing...I never have heard that they were ordered off the car. I think it a late surfacing myth.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: fumblefingers
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 08:51 PM

Last night, the 22nd, the PBS station in Dallas, KERA, ran a documentary on the assasination with lots of footage from the local TV stations back then. I think they run the same program every year.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 08:53 PM

I'd have to be pointed to some kind of confirmation of the story, JohnSSC. After 46 years one would think there wouldn't be too much breaking news on the matter.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 10:13 PM

Well, I've been reading a number of accounts and watching video of the the parade. I now see what Lizzie Cornish refers to- there is a moment when at least one Secret Service agent is called off from jogging alongside the car, showing the confusion of the agent.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Will Fly
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 05:04 AM

There was a documentary on the Kennedy Assassination made perhaps 3 or 4 years ago and shown on UK TV - possibly in the US as well but I don't know.

There were two main lynchpins to the programme. One was an in-depth study of the life of Lee Harvey Oswald - his paranoia, his wish to serve the USSR even when they refused to recruit him, his need to prove himself as a "somebody" to society - and his expert marksmanship as a Marine (they produced his target shooting records). Incidentally, no-one seems to bother about the police officer who Oswald shot later that day...

The other fascinating part of the programme was a painstakingly created 3-D computer model of the affair based on the Zapruder film. This included bullet trajectories, ballistic data, etc., and dealt with the whole incident in a calm and measured way. It was an excellent programme and, IMHO, gave the lie to all the conspiracy theories floating around. Oswald shot JFK and was , in turn, shot by Ruby. Oswald's character and life events previous to the assassination appear to be the clue as to why and how. But that's just my personal view of the programme and the events in it.

As to JFK as a president, I wonder what he would have been had he lived - perhaps not as wonderful as was thought at the time. Blair seemed like a godsend to many of us when he came to power in the UK, and then turned out to be a lying sh*t... We'll never know.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 05:23 AM

Both were called back, Ebbie, and it looks as if it was one of the agents in the front of the car, behind JFK's, who called them. He stands up...and then you see the agent on the right hand side of the car throw his arms up, almost in exasperation at what he's just been told to do...Seconds later, JFK was shot..

The Secret Servicemen Being Called Back - Youtube

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Wesley S
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 03:54 PM

So it was the Secret Service that was in on the kill? Ridiculous - In my opinion. My guess is that you will think otherwise. So who else was in on it? Johnson, the mafia, the Cubans? Spectre? Hydra? All of them? The Tri-laterial Commisssion perhaps?

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Rasener
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 04:01 PM

Obama of course :-)

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Wesley S
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 04:08 PM

Shhhhhhhh........We don't want the Kenya Connection to be revealed just yet.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 05:00 PM

Basically, Wesley, we'll never really know, will we. And therefore to poopoo any conspiracy theory is as futile as saying it was simply an unconnected assassin's bullet. Only those concerned will ever know the truth, at least, in our time.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Wesley S
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 05:33 PM

Well according to your theory the Secret Service was involved. That would make it a conspiracy - a deep one. How many dozens of people would have been involved for that to happen? And NONE of them talked? This may be hard to belive but sometimes the easy answer is the right one. I think it was a lone gunman. What do YOU think happened?

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 05:35 PM

I vividly remember the broadcast of the funeral train on our black and white TV. I was 5, and my mom put wooden high chair with teddy bear, toy alphabet blocks and a little train engine painted on the seat back, in the living room and put me in it. Used to be my high chair, until my little brother came along.

I was so excited, I thought it was some kind of treat. I was given Chef Boyardee Spaghetti and Meatballs (another treat) in a yellow melamine bowl. I even had a big plastic bib. Wow this was something.

Mamma sat on the sofa, watching this open car train with the coffin (flag draped over). I didn't know what any of it meant. I only knew my Mamma was weeping, sobbing. And I started crying with her. I remember that the spaghetti tasted of metal.

I didn't realise until I was an adult why I never fancied tinned spaghetti and meatballs through my childhood. When I was little I only remembered that one time it tasted foul and nothing else.

I blocked everything else, especially the trauma of seeing my Mamma weeping inconsolably.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: maire-aine
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 07:04 PM

I thought about it yesterday, esp. since I noticed the absence of TV coverage. A friend told me there was something on (?) the History Channel, but since I don't have cable, I couldn't watch.

I was in 9th grade (study hall) when the principal announced it on the PA system.

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 08:48 PM

I didn't think about it at all and I usually do.

We were at college and for about 3 or 4 days everything seemed unhinged.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: kendall
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 08:11 AM

I was helping my Father-in-Law put up storm windows. My thought was, this is the third time this has happened and it's three times too many!

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 12:38 PM

JFK Who?

Isn't that some airport in The States?

Subject: RE: BS: 46 years ago today
From: goatfell
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 09:24 AM

aye the American Goverment knows the truth, but they won't share it will they