BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 01:04 AM

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 12:23 AM

Once again I ask.....(though hypocrites with double standards, hate to answer it)....:

RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth

Let's not shift the main topic THIS TIME!!..So I repeat:

Is this question sorta like, If I write lyrics, and compose a great piece of music, should I be entitled to the Rights, and Royalties??

Just wondering...

AND>>>>>>>

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 12:59 AM

Even if one made a shitload of money off it??...Even got 'rich'....Does he deserve it?

GfS



GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 10:04 AM

Okay, back to the main topic...

A = believe

B = somewhat believe

The only time that A + B = A is when B = 0...

The study indicated that on an average (taking all the nations that were in the poll) that A = 15%...

If A = 15% then equation looks something like:

15% + B = 58%

in other words B = 58% - 15%

Meaning that B = 43% of people who somewhat agree...

The term somewhat mean that there is an aspect of somewhat not believing...

What % of the somewhat believe is actually somewhat not believe??? That is where the title of the thread is wrong...

Had the title of the poll been "58% believe or somewhat believe..." then that would have been accurate... The way it was written is not accurate...

PERIOD!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 11:05 AM

Bobert: "Okay, back to the main topic..."

WHAT????!!!???

What I posted IS the main topic. 'Wealth' is relative....So, if you made a bunch of money selling your music, to 'some' people you might be considered 'wealthy'....Would you 'deserve' it?

(....and of course, if you did music just for money, even you would never think that enough was enough.....just like the 'wealthy' that this 'topic' is about.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 01:20 PM

Yes, wealth is a matter of perception, Sawzaw. My dachshund, for instance, considered himself wealthy when he discovered several pounds of discarded sparerib bones that a neighbour had irresponsibly dumped outside.

We considered ourselves poverty-stricken after we paid the Vet to deal with the after-effects of same...

The dog briefly considered himself ill and near death from the experience, but he learned nothing from it. A mere few days later he'd have done the same thing again without hesitation. His greed was without limit. This is also the case with most of the people who play the big money game. No amount of it ever seems to be "enough" for them....and that's a temptation which leads to fraud, economic devastation for the many, the collapse of national currencies, and the fighting of many unnecessary wars.

What I'm saying is...people have not progressed much farther in terms of real maturity than has the average dachshund! ;-D

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: pdq
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 01:41 PM

"Is this question sorta like, If I write lyrics, and compose a great piece of music, should I be entitled to the Rights, and Royalties??"

Of course you do. Even if you get rich and make the Marxists real mad.

BTW, the recording industry has always produced "one hit wonders" who sold a ton or records in a year, then vanished.

Think about the tax rate of 91% that was in effect from 1951 through the early part of the Kennedy administration.

A Black kid has a hit, gets paid (in theory) 1 million dollars, but the greedy Feds take all but $90 thousand. The kid feels he needs to take his homies out for a good time now and then, soon he is broke.

The million he made could have supported him and a family or life but the Feds took 91%. Is that fair?

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 01:43 PM

The purpose and function of statistics is to lump data in order to make it easier to deal with. There's nothing at all wrong with saying that the number of people who "strongly believe" plus the number who "somewhat believe" can be lumped to a category called "believe". This, of course woul not be true if the categories in question were "believe" and "somewhat believe".

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: pdq
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 02:00 PM

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert - PM
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 10:04 AM

B-Pert ~

The term somewhat mean that there is an aspect of somewhat not believing...

Sarah Palin is having her PERIOD.

The study indicated that on an average (taking all the nations that were in the poll) that A = 15%...

"that's my answer to this Hillbilly Beer"....BURP

Okay, back to the main topic...

   A = believe

   B = somewhat believe

Average is the same as normal, just different.

The only time that A + B = A is when B = 0...

If A = 15% then equation looks something like:

15% + B = 58%

in other words B = 58% - 15%

Meaning that B = 43% of people who somewhat agree...

The Pentagon is having a 1 CENT SALE!

What % of the somewhat believe is actually somewhat not believe??? That is where the title of the thread is wrong...

Had the title of the poll been "58% believe or somewhat believe..." then that would have been accurate... The way it was written is not accurate...BURP

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 03:55 PM

You about got how convoluted the original thread title is, pdq...

The point is that since the thread is bogus then any discussion there after is bogus-plus...

If someone wants to correct the bogus-ness of the thread then a discussion can go forward ...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 05:31 PM

"YOU didn't build that music!"....It was the government!....and they gave you that talent from redistribution of all the other talent!!"

The original innovators and composers are all fascist pigs!
Well, that's the 'left's' logic!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: pdq
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 06:20 PM

"you didn't build that bridge"

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 06:53 PM

I'm having a hard time figuring out who is pulling whose leg on this thread. ;-D Meanwhile, Chongo's getting rich.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 09:57 PM

"Says the man who hasn't even noticed that 26 + 23 = 49, not 46"

You are correct. I was wrong 26+23 does equal 49 not 46. It doesn't bother me a bit to admit when I am wrong.

"The NPR poll doesn't bother me at all because it does not attempt to lump the two together"

The NPR poll lumped 26% strongly approve and 23% somewhat approve to arrive at an approval rating of 49% contrary to what Bobert said.

So Bobert is Wrong.

Now again Bobert, what was I wrong about?

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 10:10 PM

Here is another poll that proves Bobert is wrong.

On page 13 they took 30% strongly Approve, 20% somewhat approve and 6% lean approve and added them up to 56% approve.

Bobert cannot see the difference between somewhat approve and somewhat disapprove. Not only does he suffer from HPD but, like George W, is incapable of looking at anything in any manner but black and white, good and evil, right and wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 10:11 PM

What were you wrong about, Sawz???

I don't have enough years in my life to elaborate... If you are either talking or typing you are wrong...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 11:36 PM

We need a racing form or something to get it figured it out at this point. It's become like a maze. What if we could get it submitted to the Supreme Court? Or the UN? How about a bipartisan Congressional Committee?

Shane usually recommends what he calls "blinding arbitation" to settle unresolved issues of this sort.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 11:47 PM

About what Bobert?

You are wrong about "somewhat agree" is the same as "somewhat disagree".

I have presented several examples to prove it.

Now what am I wrong about Mr Blowhard? You have presented noting but a bunch of bragging about how smart you are. Now you can't even stay on topic.

HPD people have very strong opinions but often do not have well-thought-out or logical reasons for their ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 01:23 AM

It is really a shame that Bobert and Sawzaw can't seem to connect behind facts, instead of the reluctance to grasp the truth, and work to receive it.
You guys would really be a force!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 02:59 AM

"It is really a shame that Bobert and Sawzaw can't seem to connect behind facts, instead of the reluctance to grasp the truth, and work to receive it.
You guys would really be a force!

GfS "

6567 posts without expressing a single coherent thought.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 08:08 AM

Facts???

I have presented "facts"...

I have laid out an academically honest assessment of the poll and why it's title is not accurate...

I have challenged Sawz to take my position to any Stats professor for their assessment...

But he won't do that...

That's the problem with all Republicans and "closet" Republicans... Ya'll are heavy on "believing" and light on "facts"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 08:39 AM

But he still has not said and can't say what I am wrong about.

Bobert says Somewhat agree means the same thing as somewhat disagree. He is wrong about that.

I have presented other polls in which they were separated which proves he is wrong.

Let him present a poll in which the two were added together with the strongly disagree to arrive at the disagree percentage as he says should be done.

Let him explain why the NPR poll and the AP poll did not add them up the academically honest way Bobert says they should be added.

Why hasn't he "shredded" those polls?

All of his "facts" consist of personal opinions not backed up by any examples or anything from another source.

Challenging someone to go somewhere and do something is not a fact. It is not proof of anything. It is merely a lame blowhard excuse for not being able to produce anything to support their assertions.

Bolviation by Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 08:56 AM

The NPR poll is honest in it's findings... It presented 4 choices, just as the one you have presented and reported the percentages for all four...

Your poll also presented 4 choices but rather than report the four they lumped two of the four into a single choice as if the "Somewhat believe" wasn't even asked unless one digs into the study... That is dishonest, Sawz...

The honest title would have been "58% believe of somewhat believe..."...

I guess you never went to college and learned the concept of academic honesty...

Oh, and just because some polling company is willing to present their findings in a dishonest manner doesn't make it right... That's what polling companies do very well...

It's up to an informed population to know when someone is not telling the whole truth...

I caught them and I've caught you parroting their dishonesty... Tough beans... Get over it...

You are the one insisting that the earth is flat... Not me...

The only thing worse than a moron is one who is proud to be a moron and you fit the bill quite nicely, Sawz...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 10:30 AM

Yo, Chongz...

Where's my cut???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 11:26 AM

Yer doin' a fabulous job, Bobertz. And so is Sawzaw. I would cut you guys in, but that might be seen as "conflict of interest", and I am runnin' for office, y'know...

Still, if you was to drop the stuff about poopflingin', I think we might be able to come to some mutually beneficial arrangement.

- Chongo

p.s. Watch out for Charlie the Langur. He's been makin' dark comments about "takin' care of" you and Sawzaw. I don't think he means gettin' you guys Meals on Wheels.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 11:50 AM

I `ad one of those geezers `ooz a member of "Occupy" whatever that is when it`s at `ome. Fortunately `e could pay `is fare cos `e`d just come from the Social Security Office.
I said, "Where to then, Chum?"
`e said, "Morning Jim. Could you take me up to Trafalgar Square, I`m joining the "sit in"".
I said, "Sit-in? What we moaning about thise time? Pigeons messing on Nelson?"
`e said, " Nah Jim. It`s in support of this Mansion Tax proposal. All those with big `ouses `ave gotta pay more tax. At the moment it aint fair. They live like lords, stash their readies off-shore and get away with it. It`s one law for the rich and one law for the poor"
I said, "You`re wrong there mate. It`s two laws for the rich and NONE for the poor!!"

Whaddam I Like??

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 12:11 PM

You sound like a Howling Eddie Cranshaw fan to me. Are you familiar with his great song "Scum Are Only Scum"?

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 09:36 PM

I never heard of it, LH... Maybe you could provide a link... Sounds like my kinda song...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 09:53 PM

Recordings of it are very hard to find, Bobert, but here are the lyrics:

Scum Are Only Scum! ( a mild protest song)

I play in all the street fairs
I fiddle and I hum
With my gitbox and fiddle
Which clearly pleases some
It pleases all the old folk
And it pleases homeless bums
But the ones it doesn't please
Are the fecking, bloody scum!

Because scum are only scum
They're ugly and they're daft
They know they're only scum
Without artistic craft
They're rotten stinking bleeders
Who all should get the shaft!
Let's sink them in the Channel
And provide no bloody raft!

Scum are fecking losers
Scum are stupid sods
If I could get me hands on them
I'd give 'em all the rod
I'd punch their ugly faces
I'd call 'em nasty names
I'd tell 'em all to go to hell
I'd set 'em all aflame

Because scum are only scum
They're ugly and they're daft
They know they're only scum
Without artistic craft
They're rotten stinking bleeders
Who all should get the shaft!
Let's sink them in the Channel
And provide no bloody raft!

Scum are stupid useless gits
Scum are bloody fools
They stand on other people's toes
They break Queensberry's rules
They will not share a bit of bread
They don't respect the poor
They eat in fancy restaurants
And act like bloody boors

Because scum are only scum
They're ugly and they're daft
They know they're only scum
Without artistic craft
They're rotten stinking bleeders
Who all should get the shaft!
Let's sink them in the Channel
And provide no bloody raft!

Don't dare to come around near me
If you're a bleedin' scum
For if you do I'll take my shoe
And plant it in your bum!
You might think that I am helpless
You'll find I'm bloody not!
I'll box your ears and black your eyes
You rotten scummy sot!

Because scum are only scum
They're ugly and they're daft
They know they're only scum
Without artistic craft
They're rotten stinking bleeders
Who all should get the shaft!
Let's sink them in the Channel
And provide no bloody raft!

I wish these rotten scum would die
And leave good folks alone
They poison every public place
'Cause they're got hearts of stone
Their lifestyle is contemptible
Their manners are obscene
They've all got little beady eyes
And their tongues are coated green!

Yes, scum are only scum
They're ugly and they're daft
They know they're only scum
Without artistic craft
They're rotten stinking bleeders
Who all should get the shaft!
Let's sink them in the Channel
And provide no bloody raft!

Howling Eddie Cranshaw, Folkways of Anglia 2009

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 10:01 PM

Sounds like Mitt Romney...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 10:04 PM

Howling Eddie would be shocked to hear you say that! He's a working class social revolutionary and trade unionist who despises people like Mitt Romney. He considers Billy Bragg, for instance, to be a corporate sellout.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 10:07 PM

No, not eddie... But the scum...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Sep 12 - 11:35 PM

Bobert is denying the fact that the NPR poll combined

STRONGLY APPROVE ................. 26%         
SOMEWHAT APPROVE ................. 23%
into
APPROVE .......................... 49%

Then it combined

SOMEWHAT DISAPPROVE .............. 10%
and
STRONGLY DISAPPROVE .............. 36%
into
DISAPPROVE ....................... 46%

Exactly like the Globescan poll.

He keeps shifting ground away from his statement "Somewhat agree and somewhat disagree are the same..." which is wrong. They are not the same.

The Globescan poll totals for agree and disagree were added up just like the NPR Poll.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 12:02 AM

I think you need to explain how bogus this poll is Bobert.

They took Strongly Approve, Somewhat Approve and Lean Approve and added them up to 56% approve. Bogus analysis according to you.

Questions:
Overall, please tell me whether you approve, disapprove, or neither approve nor disapprove of
the way Barack Obama is handling his job as president.
[IF "APPROVE," ASK:] Is that strongly approve or somewhat approve?
[IF "DISAPPROVE," ASK:] Is that strongly disapprove or somewhat disapprove?
[IF "NEITHER," DK NOR REFUSED ASK:] If you had to choose, do you lean more toward approving or disapproving of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as president?

Shred it Bobert, don't hold back, don't be a wimp.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 01:21 AM

10. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as President?
IF APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE, ASK: Would that be strongly (approve/disapprove), or just somewhat (approve/disapprove)?

This seems pertinent. The NPR first asks to you approve or not, then how much. That is different than initially presenting all four options.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 01:42 AM

To:
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Good Financial Advice


If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Delta Airlines one year ago, you would have $49.00 today!


If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in AIG one year ago, you would have $33.00 today.


If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Lehman Brothers one year ago, you would have $0.00.


BUT, if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drank all the beer, then turned in the aluminum cans for the recycling refund, you would have received $214.00.


Based on the above, the best current investment plan is to drink heavily & recycle. It's called the 401.KEG plan.


And as a bonus, a recent study found that the average American walks about walks about 900 miles a year. Another study found that on average Americans drink 22 gallons of alcohol a year.


That means the average American gets 41 miles to the gallon.


Kind of makes you proud to be an American, doesn't it!

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 01:51 AM

I don't think any of that is true GfS. For a start a thousand in Delta shares bought a year ago would be worth about $1,100 now. Its not an improvement when you pull BS out of someone else's butt.

Subject: Lyr Add: IF I WERE A RICH MAN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 08:40 AM

IF I WERE A RICH MAN
lyrics by Sheldon Harnick, Music by Jerry Brock.

Tevye: "If riches are a curse, may I be stricken with it
and never recover."

If I were a rich man,
Yubby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dum.
All day long I'd biddy biddy bum.
If I were a wealthy man.
I wouldn't have to work hard.
Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum.
If I were a biddy biddy rich,
Idle-diddle-daidle-daidle man.

I'd build a big tall house with rooms by the dozen,
Right in the middle of the town.
A fine tin roof with real wooden floors below.
There would be one long staircase just going up,
And one even longer coming down,
And one more leading nowhere, just for show.

I'd fill my yard with chicks and turkeys and geese and ducks
For the town to see and hear.
(Insert)Squawking just as noisily as they can. (End Insert)
With each loud "cheep" "squawk" "honk" "quack"
Would land like a trumpet on the ear,
As if to say "Here lives a wealthy man."

If I were a rich man,
Yubby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dum.
All day long I'd biddy biddy bum.
If I were a wealthy man.
I wouldn't have to work hard.
Yubby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dum.
If I were a biddy biddy rich,
Idle-diddle-daidle-daidle man.

I'd see my wife, my Golde, looking like a rich man's wife
With a proper double-chin.
Supervising meals to her heart's delight.
I see her putting on airs and strutting like a peacock.
Oy, what a happy mood she's in.
Screaming at the servants, day and night.

The most important men in town would come to fawn on me!
They would ask me to advise them,
Like a Solomon the Wise.
"If you please, Reb Tevye..."
"Pardon me, Reb Tevye..."
Posing problems that would cross a rabbi's eyes!

And it won't make one bit of difference if i answer right or wrong.
When you're rich, they think you really know!

If I were rich, I'd have the time that I lack
To sit in the synagogue and pray.
And maybe have a seat by the Eastern wall.
And I'd discuss the holy books with the learned men, several hours every day.
That would be the sweetest thing of all.

If I were a rich man,
Yubby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dum.
All day long I'd biddy biddy bum.
If I were a wealthy man.
I wouldn't have to work hard.
Idle-diddle-daidle-daidle man.

Lord who made the lion and the lamb,
You decreed I should be what I am.
Would it spoil some vast eternal plan?
If I were a wealthy man.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 11:30 AM

It's a joke, Jack.....take a red!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 12:03 PM

"Based on the above, the best current investment plan is to drink heavily & recycle. It's called the 401.KEG plan."

That's brilliant, GfS! ;-D Christ, wait till Shane hears about this! After all, it is his basic approach to life. He calls it the "Freedom 35 Plan". He will be greatly encouraged by those statistics you posted.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 01:01 AM

Well thank you, Hawker!...It was a might effort of cut and pasting!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 01:19 AM

Crappy joke.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 01:30 AM

Yeah, I gotta admit it wasn't as funny as 'Hope and Change'.......

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 09:29 AM

"after he knows he's wrong..."

Wrong about what Bobert?

"So, pdq... You don't want to answer my two simple questions???"

So Bobert... You don't want to answer a simple question???

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 09:32 AM

500!!!

500 points of bitter inanity!

Oh the humanity!

Worse than Sean Hannity!

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 11:31 AM

Do the poor deserve their poverty? Republicans seem to think so! I get the impression they'd really like to just imprison them all, deport them, or perhaps seek a more immediate and "final solution" to the problem.

Look at what happened after Hurricane Katrina, for example.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 09:10 PM

Agreed, LH...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 01:28 AM

Bobert is the guy that knows he is wrong. His ego is in complete control of him so he can't admit it. He can't even say how I am wrong.

http://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/evaluation/pdf/brief23.txt

EVALUATION BRIEFS        No. 23 | July 2011        Evaluation Technical Assistance

Using Ordered Response Options To Collect Evaluation Data

This brief focuses on using ordered response options to collect evaluation data. It includes the definition of ordered response options; how to create good sets of options; how to analyze and present data collected from them; and advantages and disadvantages of using them on evaluation surveys.

If you decide to include a neutral option such as neither agree nor disagree, place this choice in the middle of the other options. The order of the responses should reflect a logical flow on the continuum as shown in the following example:
1.        Strongly agree.
2.        Somewhat agree.
3.        Neither agree nor disagree.
4.        Somewhat disagree.
5.        Strongly disagree.

Analyzing the Responses and Presenting the Results

When reporting the results from ordered response options, only report the number or percentage of people who chose an option and compare it to other option results.

Data can be simplified by combining categories. For example, strongly agree and agree can be collapsed into one category (agree) while disagree and strongly disagree can be collapsed into another category (disagree).

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 06:35 AM

""Data can be simplified by combining categories. For example, strongly agree and agree can be collapsed into one category (agree) while disagree and strongly disagree can be collapsed into another category (disagree).""

That is the part Bobert is objecting to, and IMHO he is right. It is of course VERY acceptable to the person who commissions the poll with an agenda, and the polling company which can thereby combine, or not combine, to achieve the desired result, which is then reported to the public, without information as to how it has been achieved.

Much, in fact, as Sawz did when he typed the thread title.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 09:00 AM

Thank you, Don...

That's the point I have made over and over... And it's not based on just my opinion but the opinion of stats professors in general...

When you read stuff like "data can be simplified..." then hide your wallet and cover your ears because someone is either trying to steal your money or clog up your head with misinformation...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 12:47 PM

I'm afraid your down home locution is simply confusing poor old Sawz, but I can't help feeling that you two are not that terribly far apart in your thinking on this subject, and gradually (too gradually?) homing in on the same end.

I "somewhat" believe this thread is ready for closing, not by moderation, but by all round consent.

What d'ye say guys?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 02:28 PM

Should have never been opened...

B;~)