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ADD/Info: Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan

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CONESTOGA ON THE JORDAN ROAD
CROSSED OLD JORDAN'S STREAM
DEEP RIVER
JORDAN IS A HARD ROAD TO TRAVEL
RIVER OF JORDAN
ROLL, JORDAN, ROLL


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Joe Offer 06 Jan 08 - 01:24 AM
GUEST,Anonymous 28 Nov 08 - 09:57 PM
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Subject: ADD/Info: Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jan 08 - 01:24 AM

I've been listening to Helen Schneyer's last album, What a Singing There Will Be. The first song on the CD is "Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan," and I'd like ot know more about it. Here are the lyrics:

Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan

After many long years in bondage
God's chosen people had been
Out in the wilderness wandering,
t'was all because of sin
Their leader had been old Moses,
and now that he had died
God said to Joshua, "Cross over to the other side"

Chorus:
"Cross over to the other side of Jordan,"
the Lord to Joshua said
"Cross over to the other side of Jordan,
my people must be led
No longer in the wilderness wander
from Egypt's bondage flee
And when you reach the other side, you shall be free"

"The river now lies before you, and I the waters control
Now is the time to cross over, the waters back will roll
A wonderful land awaits you just over Jordan's tide
Just remember victory lies over on the other side"

God then said to Joshua, "Look toward the setting sun
All the nations that you see someday will be one
Just as I was to old Moses, so I will be to thee
I'll stand by you in battle, and I'll bring you victory"

Then Joshua said to his people,
"Prepare yourselves to stay
Three more days in the wilderness
and we'll be on our way
Across the land of Canaan and into Jericho
We'll plant our feet in the Promised Land
and live forevermore"

Schneyer's notes:
    Learned from Ben Hawker, from the Eastern Shore of Virginia. He was a generous and splendid singer, and I regret not having had more time to learn from him.


Googling shows other recordings by the Regents Quartet and by The Maudlin Brothers.

Can anybody find this is a songbook or hymnal?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: ADD/Info: Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan
From: GUEST,Anonymous
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 09:57 PM

This is an old Happy Goodman Song from the late 60s to early 70s era. The album was purple and that was a long time ago. I'm sorry I don't remember much else.


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Subject: RE: ADD/Info: Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan
From: Q
Date: 29 Nov 08 - 12:33 AM

Several songs-spirituals with that title or part of title: Would make quite a thread!

-"On the Other Side of Jordan," traditional Af-Am spiritual, in Clarence Cameron White, 1927, "Forty Negro Spirituals,"
-"Other Side of Jordan," Greenbriar Boys, "trad," Vanguard Years 1962 (earlier?)
-"On the Other Side of Jerden," Kenny Hall ??
-"On the Other Side of Jordan,"
Blackwood Brothers;
Oak Ridge Boys;
Riley Puckett (on Old Homestead collection).
-"T'Other Side of Jordan," 1853, Kendall & Dickinson's Minstrels,
"Now, ladies and gentlemen,..... For Jordan is a hard road to travel, I believe." Levy Coll.
Original by D. D. Emmett, 1853; English versions in the Bodleian, etc., in which the song was applied to the Indian Mutiny of 1857.

"There were snakes in Ireland not many year ago,
St. Patrick saw the vermin all a-crawling.
But with his shillelagh he hit them on the head
And he drove them 'cross the other side of Jordan.
Also see song by Saugerties Bard, 1857, about the "Dead Rabbits."
The Hutchinson Family Singers, during the Civil War, sang a version of "On the Other Side of Jordan." Also see "Richmond Is a Hard Road to Travel."

-"On the Other Side of Jordan," 1854, J. T. White in Wm. Walker's "Southern Harmony;" J. Baker, printed in "The Revivalist," 1872; "On the other side of Jordan, Hallelujah!"
-"Joy on the Other Side of Jordan," Homeland Harmony Songbook vol. 3.
-"I Will See You on the Other Side of Jordan," Tracy Haynes (on Youtube).
-"Railroad Song," Jacob P. Weaver, 1850s, last line of each verse, ...'land them on the other side of Jordan.' See "Long Steel Rail," Cohen.
-"Conestoga on the Jordan Road," see DT
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Well, that's a start...


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Subject: RE: ADD/Info: Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan
From: Reinhard
Date: 29 Nov 08 - 01:27 AM

D.D. Emmett's song ("Jordan is a hard road to travel, I believe") was sung by Frankie Armstrong on "Room for Company" and by Bellowhead on "Burlesque". The letter album's notes comment:

    From the American white minstrel movement, this was written by Daniel Decatur Emmett who was also responsible for Dixie, Old Joe Clark and The Blue-Tailed Fly. Published in America in 1853, it travelled quickly to England where it was printed on a number of broadside ballad sheets which contain new references to the Indian Mutiny of 1857-1858. Sabine Baring Gould, song collector and author of Onward Christian Soldiers, took two English oral versions from Thomas Darke and Sam Fone of Holcombe Burnell, Devon, in the 1880-90s.

    These can be found in Sabine Baring Gould, Garland of Country Song, London: Methuen, 1895, pp. 22-25, and Roy Palmer, Room for Company, Cambridge: CUP, 1972, pp. 24-35, both out of print. (…) The broadsides are in the Madden Collection in Cambridge and the Bodleian Library in Oxford.


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Subject: RE: ADD/Info: Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 02:43 PM

Red Clay Ramblers - I think it is - does this song. Although I was under the impression that it is an old song.


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Subject: RE: ADD/Info: Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan
From: Q
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 03:35 PM

Ebbie, the "Cross Over" goes back to 1854 or earlier, as posted above.
The Red Clay Ramblers did a good version, as I remember. It would be a good one to post.


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Subject: RE: ADD/Info: Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan
From: Peace
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 03:41 PM

Go to

Youtube and search Red Clay Ramblers. They have many many videos posted. FYI


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Subject: RE: ADD/Info: Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 08:14 AM

I agree with tachanca. Clearly the song which Joe posted has nothing in common with Emmett's "Other Side Of Jordan" apart from the title. The Emmett song may be a parody of some other hymn or gospel song on the same theme but judging by the verse form, not of this one.


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Subject: Lyr. Add: Jordan's Shore (White in Walker)
From: Q
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 01:59 PM

"Cross over th the other side of Jordan," or "On the other side of Jordan," has been used in several hymns, at least since the 1850s.

Cited above is On the Other Side of Jordan, White, 1854; the actual title is Jordan's Shore."

Lyr. Add: Jordan's Shore
J. T. White, in Southern Harmony, Walker

On Jordan's stormy banks I stand,
And cast a wishful eye
To Canaan's fair and happy land,
Where my possessions lie,
2
O the transporting, rapturous scene,
That rises in my sight;
Sweet fields arrayed in living green,
And rivers of delight.
3
O'er all those wide extended plains
Shines one eternal day;
There God the Son forever reigns,
And scatters night away.
4
No chilling winds, nor poisonous breath,
Can reach that healthful shore;
Sickness and sorrow, pain and death,
Are felt and feared no more.
5
When shall I reach that happy place,
And be forever blest?
When shall I see my Father's face,
And in his bosom rest?
6
Filled with delight, my raptured soul
Would here no longer stay;
Though Jordan's waves around me roll,
I'd fearless launch away.

"Repeat after each line:"

On the Other side of Jordan, Hallelujah!

With musical score, C. M., Psalmist, Hymn 1173.


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Subject: RE: ADD/Info: Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan
From: Q
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 02:37 PM

The minstrel songs, "The Other Side of Jordan," sung by E. H. Peirce, 1854, and "T' Other Side of Jordan," Arr. J. R. Thomas, 1854,
are minstrel songs that have little to do with the ones posted by Joe and Q except use of that line in the chorus.
These were also published under the title "Jordan Is a Hard Road to Travel."
Both are in American Memory.

I have not seen the original of the Emmett 1853 song.


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Subject: RE: ADD/Info: Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan
From: Q
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 03:18 PM

Emmett's minstrel song (1853) is another of the "take off your coat, boys" songs, published under the title " "Jordan am a hard road to travel," American Memory. See thread 25112: Jordan Am a Hard Road


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Subject: Lyr. Add: On the Other Side of Jordan (spiritual)
From: Q
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 08:33 PM

Lyr. Add: On the Other Side of Jordan
Spiritual, arr. Clarence Cameron White

1
Gwine to roll in my Jesus' arms,
Gwine to roll in my Jesus' arms,
On de udder side ob Jordan,
Gwine to roll in my Jesus' arms.

I really do remember
When wand'rin' in my sin
The Lord has spoken to me,
He has taken my spirit in.
Yes, roll in my Jesus' arms,
Gwine to roll in my Jesus' arms,
On de udder side ob Jordan,
Gwine to roll in my Jesus' arms.
2
When we get to de New Jerusalem
And wid dose angels blest,
Gwine to talk 'bout all my troubles,
Gwine to roll on my Jesus' brest.
Yes, roll in my Jesus' ams,
Gwine to roll in my Jesus' arms,
On de udder side ob Jordan,
Gwine to roll in my Jesus' arms,

With musical score, 4/4, pp. 32-34, Clarence Cameron White, 1927, "Forty Negro Spirituals, compiled and arranged for solo voice with pianoforte accompaniment. Theodore Presser Co., Philadelphia.

C. C. White, an African-American composer and concert violinist, 1880-1960. His opera, "Ouranga," is based on Haitian themes.
He also published "Traditional Negro Spirituals," 1940.


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Subject: RE: ADD/Info: Cross Over to the Other Side of Jordan
From: Q
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 09:38 PM

"Jordan's Shore," from Southern Harmony, posted above, is the same hymn Burke posted in thread 50443, with the title "On Jordan's Stormy Banks I Stand," Samuel Stennett 1787, but with a couple of different verses.
Jordan River


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Subject: Lyr. Add: I'm Just A-goin' Over Jordan (spiritual)
From: Q
Date: 08 Oct 09 - 02:02 PM

Lyr. Add: I'm Just A-goin' Over Home
Spiritual Arr. William Arms Fisher

I'm just a-goin' over Jordan,
I'm just a-goin' over home,
I'm just a-goin' over Jordan,
I'm just a goin' over home.

I'm goin' there to meet my mother, (father, sister)
I know she'll (he'll) meet me when I come.
I'm just a-goin' over Jordan,
I'm just a-goin' over home.

3/4, musical score, pp. 88-89, William Arms Fisher, 1926, "Seventy Negro Spirituals," for low voice; quarto, Oliver Ditson Company, Boston.

Other verses are added in different versions; the title often is given as "I'm Just A-goin' Over Home."

(If I hit 'enter' after Subject, the title is posted. My error.)


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Subject: RE: ADD/Info: Cross Over to the Other Side of Jord
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 01:29 PM

Ben Hawker was my grandpa. So awesome to see him mentioned here! I miss him so much, and was just listening to him singing this song his morning.


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