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Subject: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:35 PM

I just came across a great video clip that I'd like to share with other Mudcatters & guests.

This video [whose link I'll share in my next post to this thread] has inspired me to start yet another category thread. The real title for this thread is "Sherrifs, and Other Law Enforcement Officers Who Are Mentioned In Songs and In Children's Rhymes", but that title was way too long to fit in the title box.

Please join me in posting titles of songs & children's rhymes that mention a sherrif or another law enforcement officer. Also, please add song lyrics, links to YouTube videos, and comments in this thread.

Thanks, in advance for posting to this thread!


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: greg stephens
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:38 PM

Well, where to start? OK, Sherrif Grayson in Tom Dooley.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:45 PM

Here's the link to the YouTube video that I referred to in my first post to this thread:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=P3lxCuJa8JA&feature=related
Po Lazarus - Fairfield Four


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This song is sung in acapella style with no accompaniment but the singers' percussive foot stomping. I admire this video not just because of the groups' tight singing, but because this video raises awareness of, and helps foster appreciation for a traditional style of African American gospel singing that is very rarely heard nowadays.

Note that there are five vocalists in this legendary gospel quartet. See this comment that was posted in response to a question about why a quartet would have five vocalists:

"Gospel quartets kept the name "quartet" regardless of the number of members, one reason being a practice the old Soul Stirrers popularized, having a first and second lead singer....when one would take the lead the other would go back to singing harmony, thus keeping the four part harmony."
-jzzlvrmee


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:47 PM

How 'bout the police in Woody Guthrie's Hobo's Lullaby
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:47 PM

Is that "Gang down your head tom dooley? Poor boy, your bound to die?" I have a vague memory of that song.I had forgotten the officer's name was "Sherrif Grayson".

Thanks, greg.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Melissa
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:48 PM

The Bouncing Ball (Stanley Holloway, What Happened at the Zoo) has a policeman.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:52 PM

Okay, I'm not gonna comment anymore about songs posted on this thread 'cause I'll just show my ignorance and [further] confirm that I'm not a real folkie {whatever a real folkie is]. :o)

But I hope y'll will keep on posting those songs I know and don't know.

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Here's the lyrics to Po' Lazarus as performed by Bob Dylan at Riverside Church Folk Music Hootenanny, WRVR-FM, New York, NY, 29 July 1961.

Transcribed by Manfred Helfert.

Po Lazarus

Oh, the new sheriff sent a letter,
"Go out an' get me Lazarus,
Dead or alive,
Dead or alive."
Oh, the high sheriff, then he wondered:
Where should I find him?
I don't know,
Great God, I just don't know.

Well, they found poor Lazarus
Between two mountains
An' they blowed him down,
An they blowed him down.

Oh, they killed poor Lazarus
With a mighty number,
Number 45,
Number 45.

An' they took poor Lazarus
To the commissary office,
An' they walked away,
An' they walked away.

Oh, Lazarus' his little sister
She come to the funeral,
Lord, didn't have no shoes,
Didn't have no shoes.

An' Lazarus' his poor mother
Come a-walkin' down the road,
Cryin', "My only son,
My only son."

Oh Lazarus', Lazarus' father,
When he heard his son was a-dyin',
Said, "Let the fool go down,
Let the fool go down."

"Oh Captain, have you heard the news,
Your old men are gonna leave you
Next payday,
On next payday."

Oh, the high sheriff told the deputy:
"Go out an' get me Lazarus,
Dead or alive,
Dead or alive."

http://www.bobdylanroots.com/poor.html


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 02:42 PM

Here's a children's rhyme that mentions a policeman.


I Don't Want To Go To Mexico {Example #3}
Shame Shame Shame.
I don't want to go to Mexico
no more, more, more.
There's a big fat policeman
at door, door, door.
He'll grab you by the collar
and make you pay a dollar.
I don't want to go to Mexico
no more, more, more.
"Shut the door!" 
-Breeana W. & Tonoya W.{Philadelphia, PA};


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I collected this rhyme at a family reunion in 2001. I asked several of my young cousins at a family reunion if they knew any handclapping songs. They performed this one as a partner handclap {two people stand still, facing each other and alternately clap or slap one or two of the other person's hands}. Each partner tries to be the first to say "shut the door!" Whoever says it first, lightly flicks the other player on the side of their forehead and then points to them in a "Got ya!" manner. Each girl leans back to try to not get flicked or tapped on the forehead. It's possible for both of them to get flicked or tapped at the same time. But no one is supposed to get angry about this. This is just one of several rhymes that I have collected that involve children getting flicked or tapped or hit during a rhyme or at the end of a rhyme.

"I Don't Want To Go To Macy's" {and similarly worded titles that include the word "Macy's"} is probably the source for "I Don't Want To Go To Mexico" and other related children's rhymes. Roger Abraham documents in his collection Jump-Rope Dictionary that "I Don't Want To Go To Macy's" was performed by American children in 1938."Macy's" is the name of a chain of department stores. The most famous Macy's store is located in New York City. 

My theory is that these children substituted "Mexico" for "Macys" since they weren't familiar with the "Macy's" store or the word "Macy's". While I've seen a number of children perform "I Don't Want To Go To Mexico" in the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania area [as well as seeing my Philadelphia cousins perform it], I've never seen anyone recite the words "I Don't Want To Go To Macy's". Also, no example of "I Don't Want To Go To Macy" that I have read includes the "Shame Shame Shame" introductory phrase or any introductory phrase. I've noticed these kinds of introductory phrases in a large number of African American children's rhymes. Often there also may be an ending phrase such as is found in this example.

One seven year old Pittsburgh girl recited the same version that is presented above, but she started the rhyme by saying "Shine, shine, shine". Because it appears to me that children try to make sense out of their rhymes, and being ashamed of being caught by a policeman makes more sense in these rhymes than the word shine, I believe that "shine" is another example of "folk etymology" with the source word being "shame".

For more examples of this rhyme, including an example of "I Won't Go To Macy's", visit this page of my website: http://cocojams.com/handclap_rhymes_example_0104.htm


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: SINSULL
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 03:09 PM

Sargent Krupke from West Side Story
I Shot The Sheriff
The Bowery


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 03:33 PM

Here's a jump rope rhyme that mentions police officers that I remember from my childhood. Fwiw, I don't remember "I Don't Want To Go To Macys/Mexico" from my childhood:

Policeman Policeman Do Your Duty
Policeman, Policeman, do your duty.
Here comes Debby
An American beauty,
She can wiggle
She can wobble
She can do the split.*
But I betcha five dollars
She can't do this.
Lady on one foot, one foot, one foot
Turn all around, around, around.
Lady on two foot, two foot, two foot
Touch the ground, the ground, the ground.
Lady on three foot, three foot, three foot
Say your prayers, your prayers, your prayers.
Lady on four foot, four foot, four foot
Jump right out.
-Azizi Powell, Atlantic City, New Jersey, mid 1950s.

*Substitute the name or nickname of the girl who is jumping rope. "Do the split" was sometimes given as "do the flip" {meaning the acrobatic movements}. However, these words were changed to "do the twist" in the 1960s when that dance became popular. Btw, I've also seen this rhyme written as "Mailman, Mailman Do Your Duty" and "Postman, Postman, Do your Duty".

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Here's a variat form of that rhyme that I collected from my daughter. She performed it as a jump rope rhyme in the 1980s, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania:

Police Lady Police Lady Do Your Duty
Police lady, police lady. Do your duty.
Here comes Keisha
with ah African booty.
She can wiggle.
She can wobble.
She can do the split.
But I betcha five dollars
She can't do this.
Lady on one foot, one foot, one foot
Turn all around, around, around.
Lady on two foot, two foot, two foot
Touch the ground, the ground, the ground.
Lady on three foot, three foot, three foot
Say your prayers, your prayers, your prayers.
Lady on four foot, four foot, four foot
Jump right out.
-TMP; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, mid 1980s

*Substitute jumper's name or nickname. Btw, "an African booty" means "a big butt". Here's what I believe are the meanings of "one foot, "two foot" etc. Someone please correct me if I'm misremembering this: "One foot" means hopping. One foot touches touching the ground when you jump. Two foot" is jumping with both feet off the ground. "Three foot" is two hands touching the ground and then one foot . "Four foot" is jumping with both hands and both feet touching the ground.

I think the change from "policeman" to "police lady" is significant. When I was growing up, there were no female police officers that I knew of.

Here's a challenge to Mudcat members and guests: Name a folk song or any other song that mentions a female police officer.

I betcha can't.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Thompson
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 04:13 PM

Eela weela waulia (unfortunately, only illustrated by an album cover: Three big men came knocking on the door, eela weela waulia, two policemen and a man, down by the river Saulia.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: MartinRyan
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 04:42 PM

Often syncopated into " wo policemen and a Special Branch man.."!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: MartinRyan
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 05:24 PM

Woah! TWO policemen.....

Regards


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 05:58 PM

Off-Topic.

This is definitely off-topic, but re-watching the video of The Fairfield Four singing "Po Lazarus", I'm stuck by how their percussive foot stomping, handclapping, and body slaps sound so much like the sounds made by step teams that are part of African American Greek [letter] fraternity & sororities.

Before I saw this video, it occurred to me that the body patting that some of these university based fraternities & sororitues do is a survival of the 19th century {and probably earlier} music custom of pattin' juba. But I hadn't realized that old time gospel groups accompanied their singing with foot stomps also {and they were doing that long before steppin came on the scene-around the 1960s.

Of course, there are a lot of differences between step show performances and gospel singers stomping their feet while singing. The main difference is that the fraternities & sororities move across the floor, while the gospels singers stand in place. But still, I wonder if anyone else has noted this connection?

Here's a link to a university based fraternity step team:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZodkMUwotqo
Iota Phi Theta, Inc

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In the last ten years or so step teams have become a feature of some high schools, community centers, and churches. Here's a link to a short video of a co-ed community step team:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDM_R529UQ4&mode=related&search=
a high school or community step team-no name given

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I should also note that steppin' isn't limited to only predominately African American university and non-university organizations. Since the 1990s, an increasing number of Latino, Asian, and White organizations on the university level and outside universities arre fielding competitive step teams.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Snuffy
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 07:22 PM

Here's a challenge to Mudcat members and guests: Name a folk song or any other song that mentions a female police officer

Hows about this one, as sung by a Mudcatter with the handle of Lady Policeman:

I'm a lady policeman, ever so ladylike
Ever so ladylike, ta-ra-ra.
When I draw my truncheon, nobody gets the spike,
Ever so ladylike, ta-ra-ra.
Every night at ten,
I go on my beat
All the naughty men
Go "tweet, tweet, tweet"
I'm a lady policeman, ever so ladylike
Ever so ladylike, ta-ra-ra.

That's the chorus: there are two or possibly three verses, but I can't remember them.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 10:23 PM

Wee Willie's Lost His Marly/Geordies Penka. Just one verse:

So he went and got a peeler*,
he went and got a peeler,
He went and got a peeler,
down the Springfield Road.

Peeler--slang for a police officer.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 10:32 PM

Well, Snuffy, it's a good thing I didn't bet the farm I don't have that Mudcatters wouldn't be able to come up with a song about a female law officer.

Thanks for posting the words to that song. And thanks to all those who have posted to this thread thus far!

Keep those examples coming!


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 10:39 PM

PS--ref peeler...it's British slang.

"[Origin: 1835–45; special use of Bobby, for Sir Robert Peel, who set up the Metropolitan Police system of London in 1828]"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bobby

Surely there must be song references to 'bobbies' too?


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Padre
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 12:21 AM

East Texas Red - A Sheriff
Otto Wood the Bandit - Several lawmen in it
Rose Connelly -
Little Sadie - the sheriff from Thomasville
Feel Like I Gotta Travel On - High sheriff and police
The Texas Rangers -


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: mg
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 01:47 AM

Hm...the moonshine can..

I'd like to know how moonshine's made the magistrate did say
From yeastcake and molasses sure that's the proper way
From yeastcake and mollases sure that's the cutest plan??
The magistrate was happy then he took my moonshine can


Boston Burgler:

The judge he found me guilty the clerk he wrote it down
For robbing of that Union Bank you are sent to Charlestown

21 years..

The judge said stand up son and dry up your tears
You're sentenced to Dartmouth?? for 21 years


Black Velvet Band:
The judge he says my young fellow
You're sentenced to Van Diemen's land..
7 long years penal servitude....
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Same old shilleguggiii me father brougtht frome Ireland..

I'm off to join the police force it's the only thing to do
Instead of having one night stick begorra I'll have two

Hills of Connemarra
Swing to the left and swing to the right
The excise man he'll dance all night

Streets of El Paso..was the law after him or bad guys?

Anyway, one little kiss and Felina goodbye.

Waltzing Matilda
Up came three mounted troopers Kelly Davis and Fitzroy
And that is how they captured him the wild colonial boy

mg


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 01:53 AM

See what Wee Willie does with a "peeler" (policeman) in this song (click).
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: MartinRyan
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 03:05 AM

Mor-i-ar-i-ty


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Snuffy
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 04:06 AM

Not many kid's songs in that lot. But here's a couple from childhood days with LEOs in:

Good King Wenceslas
Knocked a bobby senseless
Right through Woolworths window
Up came a copper with a rusty gun
Right you beggar, I'll make you run.

On the croft, on the croft
Where we played pitch and toss
And a copper came and chased us away
So I hit him on the head
With a bloody great lump of lead
And the slimy little bugger ran away


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 07:24 AM

Erin Go Bragh.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Bill S from Adelaide
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 08:38 AM

Waltzing Matilda
The Village Pump
The Laughing Policeman
I shot the Sheriff


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 09:06 AM

Snuffy, what's "LEOs"? You wrote "..here's a couple from childhood days with LEOs in"

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Oh! So judges can be included among law officials? Well, why not! I guess judges are officers of the law, right?

Therefore, here's one example of what appears to be a relatively widely known children's jump rope rhyme that mentions "judge":

Fudge Fudge Call The Judge
Fudge fudge
Call the judge,
Mama's got a brand new baby.
Wrap it up in tissue paper
send it down the escalator,
First floor-stop!
Second floor miss!
Third floor turn around
Fourth floor touch the ground,
Fifth floor,
Get out of town!
-Butirfli; 5/26/1999; http://www.streetplay.com/discus/ Girl Games: Clap & rhyme Archive through June 8, 2000


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 09:21 AM

And just because I love Bob Marley's performance of "I Shot The Sherrif", here's a link to a YouTube video of that reggae superstar and his group singing that song:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XAixXMbyOBc

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See this quote from Burnin'.

Eric Clapton recorded a cover version that was included on his album, 461 Ocean Boulevard and reached #1 on the Billboard Hot 100.

-snip-

Click
here
for the lyrics to "I Shot The Sherrif" as well as the lyrics to some other Bob Marley hit songs.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 09:29 AM

Oops!!!

I outghta be arrested for that mistake.

Not really. Hush my mouth! I'm just jokin'. {You can't put stuff like that in the atmostphere without hurriedly taken it back} .

But anyway, please disregard the second hyperlink in my 15 Apr 08 - 09:21 AM post.

I meant to post this quote:

"I Shot the Sheriff" is a song written by Bob Marley. The song was first released on The Wailers' album Burnin'.

Eric Clapton recorded a cover version that was included on his album, 461 Ocean Boulevard and reached #1 on the Billboard Hot 100"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Shot_the_Sheriff


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 09:56 AM

Copper on the corner
Eating apple pie,
I asked him for a skinny bit
And he hit me in the eye.

I went and told my mother,
My mother wouldn't come,
so I got a red hot poker
And stuck it up his bum.


A few words of explanation:

'Apple pie' is a popular dessert.
'Mother' is a female parent.
'Red hot' is the colour of a heated object between about 500 °C and 820 °C


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 10:21 AM

PMB, I got the meaning of those words. It's the word "bum" that might be a tad confusing to some folks outside of the United Kingdom.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Bernard
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 11:34 AM

On the croft, on the croft,
Where we played pitch and toss
And a copper come and chased us away
So I 'it 'im on the 'ead
With a bloody big lump of lead
And the slimy little bugger ran away...

Recorded as part of the 'Coal Hole Medley' by the Oldham Tinkers on (I think) Owdham Edge, Topic label.

Croft - Spare land (often near a mill or factory)
Pitch and toss - a game involving coins and a wall
Copper - Policeman
Bugger - Cockroach exterminator...(!!?)


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 11:56 AM

Bernard - it's also on Deep Lancashire (various artists).


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Snuffy
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 01:01 PM

Azizi,

LEO - Law Enforcement Officer (cop)


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 01:56 PM

Thanks, Snuffy.

It's something isn't it how you UK guys and gals got to keep teaching us UnitedStaters how to speak the English language.

:o)


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: mg
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 02:36 PM

I fought the law and the law won.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Bert
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 03:19 PM

There's Billy Connolly's - Two Little Boys in Blue

The Liverpool Barrow Boy has a female police officer "A Judy Cop came and took me away"


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Bert
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 03:21 PM

Also I think that some were written in answer to the Song Challenge about Patrick Wright.

Here's the thread


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST,Joseph de Culver City
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 05:39 PM

Azizi, You're a pip! Leastways that's how my grandad would have put it.


Midnight Special (remember that if you're ever in Houston)


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 05:44 PM

A current thread about Willie Songs reminded me of the Railroad Bill songs{though I only know them as rhymes since I've never heard them sung}.

Here's a link to a post that I wrote in this thread thread.cfm?threadid=21456#1385309 "Help: Railroad Bill". That post contains a Railroad Bill rhyme from Dorothy Scarborough's 1925 book On The Trial Of Negro Folk Songs

That rhyme includes this verse:

"Well, the policemen all dressed in blue,
Comin down sidewalk two by two,
Wus lookin' fer Railroad Bill".
-snip-

That same rhyme also includes this verse:

"Standin' on the corner, didn't mean no harm,
Policeman grab me the arm-
Wus lookin' fer Railroad Bill."


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 05:59 PM

Joseph de Culver City,

Thanks! "Midnight special". Okay!

Hey, it just occurred to me, so that's what the name "The Pips" mean in the group Gladys Knight and the Pips!

Wow! Thanks for that gift. I've aways wondered where those guys got that name from.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 06:23 PM

I'm going to post two more early 20th century or earlier African American rhymes that mention policemen. These two are from Thomas W. Talley's 1922 book Negro Folk Rhymes, Wise and Otherwise. I have the 1968 Kennikat Press edition of that book, and the page numbers cited will be from that edition. I'll type the one rhyme in this post, and the next rhyme in the following post to this thread.
I may have posted these rhymes on other Mudcat threads, but I can't find them.

The Negro And The Policemen

"Oh Mistah Policeman, tu'n me loose;
Hain't got no money but a good excuse."
Oh hello, Sarah Jane!

Dat ole Policeman treat me mean,
He make me wa'k to Bowlin' Green.
Oh hello, Sarah Jane!

De way he treat me wus a shame.
He make me wear dat Ball an' Chain.
Oh hello, Sarah Jane!

I runs to de river, I can't git 'cross;
Dat Police grab me an' swim lak a hoss.
Oh hello, Sarah Jane!

I goes up town to git me a gun,
Dat ole Police sho' make me run.
Oh hello, Sarah Jane!

I goes crosstown sorter walkin' wid a hump
An' dat ole Police sho' make me jump.
Oh hello, Sarah Jane!

Sarah Jane, is dat yo' name?
Us boys, we calls you Sarah Jane.
Well, hello, Sarah Jane!

[page 66]


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Kent Davis
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 06:35 PM

from "Darlin' Cory"

Wake up, wake up, darlin' Cory!
What makes you sleep so sound?
Them revenue officers are coming,
Gonna tear your still-house down.

Kent


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 06:40 PM

Forty Four

If de people'll jes gimme
Des a liddle bit o' peace,
I'll tell 'em what happen
To de Chief o' Perlice.
He met a robber
Right at de do!
An' de robber, he shot 'im
Wid a forty-fo!
He shot dat Perliceman
He shot in sho!
What did he shoot 'im wid?
A forty-fo'.

Dey sent fer de Doctah
An' de Doctah he come.
He come in a hurry,
He come in a run.
He come wid his instriments
Right in his han',
To progue an' find
Dat forty-fo', Man!
De Doctah he progued;
He progued him sho'!
But he jes couldn' find
Dat forty-fo'.

Dey sent fer de Preachah,
An' dey preachah he come.
He come in a walk,
An' he come in to talk.
He come wid 'is Bible,
Right in 'is han',
An' he read from dat chapter,
Forty-fo, Man!
Dat Preachah, he read.
He read, I know.
What Chapter did he read frum?
"Twus Forty-fo'!


[Thomas W. Talley: Negro Folk Rhymes, Wise and Otherwise;   Kennikat Press edition;1968; pps 71, 72; originally published, 1922; The Macmillan Company]


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 06:51 PM

Help!! I goofed again!

Would a moderator please remove the bold from all but the title to of the Forty Four rhyme?

Thanks in advance!

**

Bert, thanks for posting that reference to a "Judy Cop". Are there other references to female police officers in that thread whose link you provided? I have to check it out. Seeing all that bold font when I re-opened that thread discombobulated me so much, I haven't opened that link yet. But I'mma do it right now {after I click on "submit"}


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Bert
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 06:57 PM

No that thread was all about guy cops.

And my Dad used to sing

While she was talking to a policeman
up agin the airey rails
she quite forgot the little baby in her arms
telling him some fairy tales
she dropped the baby down the airey
Oh poor Mary Jane
and she didn't get it back
until she gave the word
that she wouldn't drop the baby down again.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Bert
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 07:00 PM

Here are the words to Liverpool Barrow Boy

Note that a 'scuff' is a cop.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 07:26 PM

Hey, Bert! That is a great thread. There were some people who posted to that thread {from 2000} who are still active on Mudcat like Amos, Spaw, Lonesome EJ, Jack the Sailor, and SharonA. But where are the other folks who were active on that thread? I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to know them.

What came across to me about that thread was that all the folks seemed to really like each other. And they seemed to enjoy talking with each other and composing songs based on a newspaper article about a man arrested in California for keeping ferrets in his home.

Though I hesitate to pick a favorite song posted on that thread, I admit that the one I like the best one was LEJ's. Here's the first two verses of his song:

Subject: RE: SONG CHALLENGE! Part 10
From: Lonesome EJ - PM
Date: 26 Feb 00 - 06:58 PM

I Fought for Ferrets
I fought for ferrets
But I did not stab the Deputy
I fought for ferrets
But I did not stab the Deputy

All around Otay Mesa
They trying to put me down
They say "Loco in cabesa!
There go de Ferret Clown!"

-snip-

That's a hoot!!

And that thread also has some great quotes like this one from Amos:

"If one of someday could write the new and perfect song, the song never sung, the Missing Song, we would all sigh in unison and be transmogrified into essence or some damn thing like that.

But we all, meanwhile, do pursue the creation of what beauty we can, and in doing so have named ourselves".
-snip-

Man, Amos. You sure got it goin' on!


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: fumblefingers
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 07:52 PM

Junior Brown, "Highway Patrol"

Benny Hill, "Saved by the Deputy" The actual song doesn't come up until the end of the video. This is sort of off thread but it's pretty good anyway.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 08:05 PM

Here's the link to a previous thread on Lady policeman

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Melissa
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 08:10 PM

This doesn't look like a Children's Song thread, so I'll add "She was only a Postmaster's Daughter" (Durium Dance Band) which has the daughters of a Traffic Cop and a Magistrate.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Amos
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 10:09 PM

John Hardy and the Wild Colonial Boy and Waltzing Matilda all suffer from law enforcement.

Thanks for the kind words. That Ferret Song is one of my favorites.

A


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Cool Beans
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 12:31 PM

From "Sing A Song of Safety," by Irving Caesar and Gerald Marks (1938):

Remember your name and address
And telephone number, too.
So if some day you lose your way
You'll know just what to do:
Walk up to that kind policeman,
The very first one you meet
And simply say "I've lost my way
And cannot find my street.
But I know my name and address
And telephone number, too."
And he'll be kind and help you find
The dear ones who wait for you.

(I learned this and other safety songs as a child in Brooklyn in the 1950s. Irving Caesar and Gerald Marks were noted songwriters whose compositions (not necessarily together) include "Tea For Two" and "All of Me.")


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: kendall
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 12:42 PM

I posted Duncan and Brady but something ate it.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 03:29 PM

So far, this thread includes songs and/or children's rhymes that mention policemen, police ladies, judges, traffic cops, magistrates, and judges. Also, we've mentioned songs and/or children's rhymes that mention deputies, highway deputies {which I suppose aren't necessarily the same as deputies}, and revenue officers.

Plus, we've mentioned, or listed songs that use colloquial terms for officers of the law such as cops, and LEOs, and peelers, and what! no fuzz? And I probably have forgotten some other law officers or terms for law officers that have been mentioned in the songs & rhymes that have been posted on this thread thus far.

But here's a type of law enforcement officer that hasn't been mentioned yet on this thread-the FBI.

Here are two examples of children's rhymes that were posted on this Mudcat thread: "Folklore: Play Ground Hand Jives" thread.cfm?threadid=102055&messages=44#2090519;

I Believe I Can Fly {Example #1}
I believe I can fly.
I'm being chased by the FBI.
It's all because of those collard greens
that I ate with those chicken wings.
I believe I can soar
See me running through that open door.
I believe I can fly.
I believe I can fly.
-elementary school age African American girls & boys in various neighborhoods of Pittsburgh, PA, 1999, 2000

Editor: This is a parody of R. Kelly's hit R&B song "I Believe I Can Fly".

{My comments about this parody is posted at 29 Jun 07 - 08:21 PM of that thread}.

**
I Believe I Can Fly {Example #1}

"(To the tune of I Believe I Can Fly)

I believe I can fly
I got shot by the F.B.I
All I wanted was some chicken wings
and a little bit of collad greens
I believe I can soar
I got a beaten at the geocery store"
-GUEST,Natasha Woods; 5/30/2007


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 03:33 PM

Of course, the second example is Example #2.

Oh well, I guess all my mistakes in this thread are going to live on forever-or at least for as long as this thread is available to readers.

I guess it's the price I have to pay for failing to use the preview feature...

:o(


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 03:40 PM

There's an Irish Rovers song we used to sing as kids while playing around but it refers to an Irish or Irish-American term for policemen "peelers". I think it's The Man from Mullingar.

Peelers is a pretty common slang term for cops in my ethnic group even among those of us from law enforcement families. I don't recall ever getting smacked for it they way we might have for using American slang for cops such as "fuzz". of course, none of us ever called a cop a "pig" unless he was a close relative who had done something disgusting !


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 03:41 PM

And before any English teachers pounce on another mistake I made in that same post- yes, I do know that comments are and not comments is.

Are there any songs about the Internet grammar police?


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Amos
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 04:18 PM

I can't belileve it -- I just added a nice post which also got eaten. But, in any case, the sad story of Patrick Wright, who got in trouble and brutally mugged by John Law for having the wrong sort of pets, cand be found on this page.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 07:55 PM

No one's mentioned the Peeler and the Goat - there's a version in the DT, but here's a better one:

Oh the Bansha Peelers went out one night        
On duty and patrollin' O,        
They met a goat upon the road,        
And took him for being a stroller O.        
With bay'nets fixed they sallied forth,              
An' caught him by the wizzen O,        
An' then swore out a mighty oath,        
They'd send him off to prison O."        

"Oh, mercy, sir!" the goat replied,        
"Pray let me tell my story O!              
I am no Rogue, no Ribbonman,        
No Croppy, Whig, or a Tory O;        
I'm guilty not of any crime        
Of petty or high treason O,        
I'm sadly wanted at this time,              
For this is the rantin' season O."        

"It is in vain for to complain        
Or give your tongue such bridle O,        
You're absent from your dwellin' place,        
Disorderly and idle O.              
Your hoary locks will not prevail,        
Nor your sublime oration O,        
For Peeler's Act will you transport,        
On your own information O."        

"No penal law did I transgress              
By deeds or combination O.        
I have no certain place of rest,        
No home or habitation O.        
But Bansha is my dwelling-place,        
Where I was bred and born O,              
I'm descended from an honest race,        
That's all the trade I've learned O."        

"I will chastise your insolence        
And violent behaviour O;        
Well bound to Cashel you'll be sent,              
Where you will gain no favour O.        
The magistrates will all consent        
To sign your condemnation O;        
From there to Cork you will be sent        
For speedy transportation O."              

"This parish an' this neighbourhood        
Are peaceable and tranquil O;        
There's no disturbance here, thank God!        
An' long may it continue so.        
I don't regard your oath a pin,              
Or sign for my committal O,        
My jury will be gentlemin        
And grant me my acquittal O."        

"The consequence be what it will,        
A peeler's power I'll let you know,              
I'll handcuff you, at all events,        
And march you off to Bridewell O.        
An' sure, you rogue, you can't deny        
Before the judge or jury O,        
Intimidation with your horns,              
An' threatening me with fury O."        

"I make no doubt but you are drunk,        
Wud whiskey, rum, or brandy O,        
Or you wouldn't have such gallant spunk        
To be so bold or manly O.              
You readily would let me pass        
If I had money handy O,        
To treat you to a poteen glass—        
Oh! it's then I'd be the dandy O."

.....................................

And thanks Bert for reminding me of that Ferret thread. I've got a song in there I'd completely forgotten writing that I might try singing some time. Yes, the Song Challenges were great fun, and always good natured - Áine had a great knack of getting people to come up with enjoyable songs.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: mg
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 12:12 AM

Did anyone say Thunder Road? mg


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 10:01 AM

I see I forgot to note these other referents for law officers that have been mentioned thus far in this thread:

Sherrif

The Texas Rangers

Special branches

Troopers

-snip-

Any more?

**

Also, Joseph de Culver City, I've been meaning to say that I hope your reference above thread to "Midnight special" doesn't mean you're in the big house.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 10:06 AM

And speaking of "Midnight Special", that song fits this thread's theme.

Here's the lyrics as they are found on this website:

http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/l/leadbelly/midnight_special.html

Midnight Special
Well you wake up in the morning, hear the ding dong ring,
You go a-marching to the table, see the same damn thing
Well, it's on a one table, knife, a fork and a pan,
And if you say anything about it, you're in trouble with the man

Let the midnight special, shine her light on me
Let the midnight special, shine her ever-loving light on me

If you ever go to Houston, you better walk right, you better not stagger, you better not fight
Sheriff Benson will arrest you, he'll carry you down
And if the jury finds you guilty, penitentiary bound

Yonder come little Rosie, how in the world do you know
I can tell her by her apron, and the dress she wore
Umbrella on her shoulder, piece of paper in her hand
She goes a-marching to the captain, says, "I want my man"

"I don' believe that Rosie loves me", well tell me why
She ain't been to see me, since las' July
She brought me little coffee, she brought me little tea
Brought me damn near ever'thing but the jailhouse key

Yonder comes doctor Adams, "How in the world do you know?"
Well he gave me a tablet, the day befo'
There ain't no doctor, in all the lan'
Can cure the fever of a convict man
-snip-

[I added the spaces for the verses]

Btw, that website has an embedded YouTube video of Leadbelly singing "Midnight Special"


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Rowan
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 03:14 AM

A couple of Oz ones are Sergeant Small and, by Don Henderson, "Central Railway".

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Bert
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 06:30 PM

Azizi,

If you liked that thread then you need to look at all of the song challenge threads.

And you could start a song challenge of your own about Internet grammar police. That would be a fun topic.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 06:58 PM

Thanks for those suggestions, Bert. Are the song challenge threads listed under that title?

With regard to me starting a song challenge about Internet grammar police, since I'm not a song composer, I decline to start such a thread. But I look forward to you or someone else starting a song challenge thread on that subject.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST,Kenny B Sans Kuki
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 08:18 PM

The Laughing Policeman
The Polis of Invertotty
Th Bold Gendarmes


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 08:39 PM

Gendarmes! Thanks, Kenny B for adding another referent for law officers to the ones already listed in [on?] this thread.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 10:16 PM

Index to Song Challenges


A


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Rowan
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 10:36 PM

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned "The Big Effin B", or don't recitations & poems count?

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 07:15 AM

Amos, thanks for posting that hyperlink to song challenge threads.

**

Rowan, what's "The Big Effin B"? Is that its real title or is "effin" a shortened form of the "f" word?

And, I'm all for the inclusion in this thread of recitations and poems that mention law officers, in addition to songs and children's rhymes.

[Not that what I'm all for really matters a hill of beans, but I'm just sayin' bring them on!] :o)


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Cool Beans
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 09:49 AM

My country tis of thee
Sweet land of Gernmany
My name is Fritz.
My father was a spy
Caught by the FBI
Tomorrow he will die.
My name is Fritz.

(Learned in the 1950s when I was a little kid.)


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Apr 08 - 07:54 PM

Then there was PC McGarry from Camberwick Green -

Here comes the policeman,
The big friendly policeman,
PC McGarry number 452.
Lost dogs, thick fogs,
Don't know what to do.
Then get the policeman,
The big friendly policeman.
PC McGarry number 452.

Here comes the policeman,
The big friendly policeman,
PC McGarry number 452.
Lost a key, cat up a tree,
Baby lost a shoe.
Then get the policeman,
A big friendly policeman.
PC McGarry number 452.


(Here's a youtube clip of Camberwick Green - but PC McGarry doesn't feature in it.)


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 12:10 AM

Well, this one isn't really for children but I'm surprised no one has mentioned it: Moses Ri-too-ra-li-ay!


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: moongoddess
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 07:46 PM

I thought I saw this thread a few months ago, and when I searched, there it was. I have a song from my childhood called Little Fat Policeman and I finally got around to recording it as an MP3. Here are the words:

Little Fat Policeman

Little fat policeman in the street,
Blows his silver whistle, tweet, tweet, tweet.
Some cars stop and some cars go,
When little fat policeman signals go.

Chorus:
Yo ho ho, yesiree,
Little fat policeman please save me.

Little fat policeman all alone,
In his little roundhouse with his telephone.
Ting, ling, ling, rings in his ear,
Little fat policeman 's always near.

Little fat policeman on the beach,
Keeps his feet dry and eats his peach.
Help, help, help, now don't fear,
Little fat policeman 's always near.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 08:03 PM

moongoddess, thanks for posting that song.

But I have to say that that song's reference to the policeman being fat isn't politically correct anymore.I guess "little" could get pass muster, but that depends too.

And what about that referent to the policeman being in "male"? Oh, boy, now you're really in trouble with the pc squad!

LOL!

On a more serious note, I suppose the line about the policeman being in his "little roundhouse" might not be understood in some countries. I suppose this is a British song and refers to a traffic policeman?

In an event, thanks again for adding this song to this thread.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST,Lindsay In Wales
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 08:52 PM

In primary school in the 50s we used to sing:

I spy a copper on the corner
Dressed in navy navy blue
With a pimple on his hat
And a belly full of fat
And he walks like a cock-a-doodle-do.

I've no idea where it came from but I suspect the Beano.....


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 09:23 PM

Linsey in Wales, what does "a pimple on his hat" mean and what is the Beano?

My guess is the pimple meant some kind of puff or big button somewhere on his hat, and the Beano was probably a children's tv show in Wales.

How did I do with my guesses?


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Snuffy
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 04:10 AM

Here's a typical British police helmet. The pimple would be the shiny bit on top.

And the Beano was a childrens comic, which first appeared in 1938.

All in all, I reckon you were close, but no cigar!


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 05:38 AM

An Irish one dated 1796 in favour of the police:

It's all you good people, come listen to me,
A caution I'll give you, for your good you will see:
I pray, keep good hours, don't meet with disgrace
To be taken at night by a guard of the police.

You know the Commissioners ordered the same;
To take up all vagrants and girls of the game:
We have taken all conspicuous seen,
We're the stout-hearted horsemen rides round Stephen's Green.

We pray to all powers and that frequently
To meet with the robbers wherever they be,
We search for the covey in every place,
We're the stout-hearted horsemen they call the Police.

We disturb the robbers by day and by night
And to take them prisoners is all our delight:
We will do our duty to such a degree
Not a whore nor a robber in town you shall see.

We pray for our captain to prosper and thrive,
Likewise the Commissioners while they are alive;
They are true to their country and to his Majesty
Success to the Police wherever they may be.

And one not so complimentary on the Castlepollard massacre of 1831

Come all you friends of Ireland, wherever you do be.
Come listen to a tale I tell, 'tis of a doleful tragedy -
Come listen, while through choking- sighs, and many a bitter tear,
I tell the murderous deeds of death at Castlepollard fair.

In peace and quietness went on the business of the fair,
Until the Peelers were brought out to raise a riot there;
Oh! then the work of death began, a woeful bitter fray,
The fatherless and widows too lament that dreadful day.

They drew up round the market-house, their chief he bade them fire,
While the astonished flying crowd on all sides did retire,
'Twas human blood they wanted - their deadly aim they took,
And Castlepollard streets with gore were running like a brook.

'Twould make a heart of stone to bleed and shake in fear and dread,
To see the walls besmeared with brains - the channels running red,
While men and women, old and young, lay dead or dying there,
And shrieks and groans and muskets' clang rung on the startled ear.

An inquest there was ordered, and witnesses came there
Who proved to all what the Peelers done at Castlepollard Fair.
These murderers then were sent to gaol - a happy sight to see-
And a sham trial was brought on, which quickly set them free.

May fiery red and burning hell its torments now prepare,
And vengeance black as night and death o'ertake them while they're there.
And may the very chief of devils take their chieftain in his care,
And every imp his man possess, that fired a musket there

Lovely one written by MacColl in the 60s, when policemen were ordered to dress up like hippies and infiltrate the anti-Vietnam marches (this is getting too big - there are literally hundreds, so 1 verse and chorus only.

The chief commissioners at the Yard has been in consultation,
And they've decided that the Force needs re-orientation,
New orders have been handed down to start our whiskers growing,
For a beard indeed is a friend in need when the winds of change are blowing.

Blue serge suits and collar-and-ties and helmets all must cease man,
Oh won't I have a swinging time when I am a new policeman.


Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 03:25 PM

Those nights in Sixmilebridge when the songs and music flowed
And when it came to closing time sure the lights were turned down low
And the Sergeant from Kilkishen he would buy us all one more
And we never left that pub before the clock was striking four.

Lahinch and Ennistymon, Liscannor and Kilkee
But best of all was Miltown when the music flowed so free
Willie Clancy and the County Clare I'm ever in your debt
For the sights and sounds of yesterday are shining memories yet.

My Heart's Tonight in Ireland by Andy Irvine

Perhaps they played Sergeant Early's Dream (a reel) or Sergeant Early's Jig, two tunes named for Chicago Police Sergeant James Early.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 03:52 PM

We live and die for our Saturdays,
And when that Saturday came,
No greater love than the push and shove
At the gates of the Hillsborough game.

It burst the heart, that sea of red
And every lad was ours
It burst the heart to count the dead,
The petals and the flowers.

But the officer looked over his left shoulder,
A look as hard as stone.
We sang our hearts out in the pouring rain,
"You'll never walk alone."

When Saturday Came by Robb Johnson. 96 football fans died in the Hillsborough Disaster on April 15, 1989.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Murrbob
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 04:04 PM

A few more with sherrifs, policemen or judges:

   Tiajuana Jail (K. Trio)
   Banua (sp?)      "
   Long Black Veil (numerous)
   Anethea (Judy Collins)
   McPhearson's Rant (Old Blind Dogs)
   Ain't No More Cane on the Brazos (Chad Mitchel Trio)
   There was a little Frog (Corries)
   Midnight Marauder (Limeliters)


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: moongoddess
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 07:04 PM

Yes, Azizi, The Little Fat Policeman sure is an un-PC song for our times! This song was written in the early 50's and was sung by The Sandpipers with the Mitchell Miller Orchestra. The cover art on the record shows the policeman happily blowing his whistle. But he does have longish curly hair!


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: moongoddess
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 07:07 PM

Here's the flip side of "The Little Fat Policeman" called "The Safety Song" and it too mentions a policeman warning of all the dangers of the street, most particularly, cars. I get a kick out of the line "poor car, poor you"!

The Safety Song

The policeman says, so it must be true,
Bumping into cars isn't good for you.
It hurts the car and it hurts you, too.
Poor car, poor you.
So wait at the corner 'til the red light's gone,
Only a minute when the green light's on,
You can cross the street, and safely, too.

Chorus:
Safe and slow, that's how I go,
There are no lumps and bumps on me, you see,
I watch the light when it's green as grass,
The cars all stop so that I can pass.

The policeman says when you play baseball,
Don't run in the street, no not at all.
A car's so big and you're so small,
Don't chase your ball.
Stay out of the street on your bike and skates,
Cars whiz by and it's way too late,
To cry when you're hurt, you're hurt that's all.

Chorus.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Mo the caller
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 05:19 AM

At the session at Audlem, Duggie (whose songs are usually prefaced by "put your glasses on Duggie" or "has it got a chorus?") sings a song about a sergeant who was strict about cracking down on late night drinking
The chorus includes the lines

Drink up your jars
No after hours
That's what we hear the sargeant say.....

I can't remember any more except that the chorus changes in the last verse as the sargeant joins the drinking session.


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Subject: RE: Law Officers in Songs &Children's Rhymes
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:37 AM

Then of course there's:

"Don't send my boy to prison,
It's the first crime wot 'e's done."
"Six months", replied 'is lordship.
"ooooooooooo - god 'elp my errin' son"

Jim Carroll


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