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Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann

GUEST,Bob Coltman 12 Sep 08 - 05:51 PM
Q 12 Sep 08 - 06:20 PM
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The Fooles Troupe 12 Sep 08 - 11:37 PM
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GUEST,Old Lady 19 Mar 09 - 11:17 PM
GUEST,Bob Coltman 13 May 09 - 09:02 AM
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GUEST,Bob Coltman 23 Oct 09 - 02:39 PM
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Subject: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 05:51 PM

www.immortalia.com prints the 1945 Song Book of the Wild Hares. It has a number of good bawdy songs in it, including this one.

I have seen only one other reference to "Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann." But the reference makes it sound like it is reasonably well known. Does anyone know any more of this? It does not appear in Cray's Erotic Muse or in the Legman/Randolph collection.

Could it be a parody of a pop song? I'm still looking but I haven't found any that might be its source.

Anyone know any variants? More verses? -- Bob

PULL YOUR SHADES DOWN MARY ANN

As "Mary Ann" in the Song Book of the Wild Hares, Marine Corps, 1945.

Pull your shades down, Mary Ann,      
Pull your shades down, Mary Ann,   
Late last night by the pale moonlight,   
I saw you, I saw you,   
You were combing your golden hair,   
You were changing your underwear,   
If you want to keep your secrets from your future man,   
Pull your shades down, Mary Ann.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: Q
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 06:20 PM

May be a college parody. There is a version at the Montclair State University website.

Pull your shades down Marianne (2x)
I was out last night by the pale moonlight
And I saw you, yes I saw you
You were combing your lovely hair
It was hanging upon a chair
If you want to keep a secret
By the pale moonlight
Pull your shades down Marianne

Posted at Alumni Online Community site by a member of the class of 1951.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,JeffB
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 07:17 PM

Isn't this a parody of the English music-hall song "Hold your hand out, you naughty boy." ? Haven't got any words handy unfortunately.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,JeffB
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 07:35 PM

A quick trawl of the Net has come up with only one verse. It's the only verse I've ever heard but there must have been others. In fact, it could well have just been the chorus. Quite a number of these old songs had long verses telling improbable stories to rather vague tunes, with punchline-type choruses with great tunes that everyone remembered. E.g. Lily of Laguna, My old man said follow the van, Knocked 'em in the Old Kent Road.

Hold your hand out, you naughty boy!
Hold your hand out, you naughty boy!
Last night in the pale moonlight I saw you! I saw you!
With a nice girl in the park, you were strolling in the dark,
and you told me that you'd never kissed a girl before,
Hold your hand out, you naughty boy!


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: Joe_F
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 08:10 PM

thread.cfm?threadid=31970 has some further data here & there.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: Q
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:31 PM

The WW1 verses also look like parodies based on a popular song. Dolph gives two versions. Here is one, attributed to Lt. Gitz Rice, 1915:

Keep your head down, Fritzie Boy,
Keep your head down, Fritzie Boy,
Last night, in the pale moonlight,
I saw you, I saw you,
You were fixing your barb' wire
When we opened rapid fire.
If you want to see your
Vater und der Vaterland,
Keep your head down, Fritzie Boy.

E. A. Dolph, 1929, "Sound Off!" Soldier songs from the Revolution to World War II, p. 145.

The other, also a single verse, begins
"Hold your head down, fusileer,"


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:37 PM

"Mary Ann"

Also brings to mind the parodies on the song

"All Day, All Night, Mary Ann
Down by the seaside, sifting sand"

... I'll leave the rest to your imagination...
but suspect there may have been some crossovers...


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: Q
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 12:14 AM

Can't find a precursor so far.

Barnyard Dance
Called traditional, UK. A few lines-

Late last night in the pale moonlight
All the vegetables give a spree.
They put out a sign saying dancing at nine
And all the admissions was free.
------------------------------------------------
Many of these late last night verses-
Late last night,
When the moon shone bright,
Felt dizzy about my head.
Rapped on my door,
Heard my baby roar,
"Honey, I'se gone to bed!"
etc.
From Scarborough, On the Trail of Negro Folk-Songs.
----------------------------
"Hold Your Hand Out, Naughty Boy," written 1913, C. W. Murphy & Worton David, was a staple of Florrie Ford, although others copied her. See Michael Kilgarriff, "Sing Us One of the Old Songs," Oxford Univ. Press.
May be related to "Hold Your Hand Out," a routine of Bernard Russell, but I haven't seen it anywhere.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Old Lady
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 11:17 PM

Here's the version my mom taught to me:

Pull your shades down, Mary Anne
Pull your shades down, Mary Anne
Last night when the moon was bright
I saw you, I saw you.
You were combing your yellow hair
You were changing your underwear
If you want the admiration of a democratic nation
Pull your shades down, Mary Anne!


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 13 May 09 - 09:02 AM

So to summarize, it appears "Pull/Keep Your Shades Down, Mary Ann" is a parody of "Hold Your Hand Out, You Naughty Boy." (As is "Keep Your Head Down, Fritzie Boy.")

Speaking personally, my main interest is in "Pull Your Shades Down, Mary Ann."

Excluding the earlier and later "Mary Ann" songs (there are several) ... Has anyone ever heard any more verses to the "Pull Your Shades Down, Mary Ann" song? If you have, would you please post them?

Thanks!

Bob


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Another old lady
Date: 30 May 09 - 01:46 PM

Some research into WWI reminded me of those old songs. My mother, who was a very proper lady, had the same lyrics to Fritzie Boy but Mary Ann was slightly different.

Keep your shade down, Mary Ann,
Keep your shade down, Mary Ann,
Last night by the pale moonlight
I saw you, I saw you.
You were combing your auburn hair,
It was hanging upon a chair.
If you want to keep a secret from your future man,
Keep your shades down, Mary Ann.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 05:52 PM

Pull your shades down, Mary Ann
Pull your shades down, Mary Ann
Hang your hair on the back of a Chair
Pull your shades down, Mary Ann


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Sophia Lewis
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 09:40 PM

Hi all! Gotta love Google -- I was wondering about this song myself, and found the thread here. I had heard it from my grandmother, who's currently in her 80's. She had sung it in a barbershop quartet easily 20 years ago, and the typical tight harmonies of that style always come to mind when I hear the tune -- indeed the same melody as "Hold Your Hand Out, You Naughty Boy." When I got the chance I sent her an email asking for any information she could provide, recalling that I had seen it written as "Marianne." Here's what she had for me:

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The title is right. The song went as I rememmber it:

Pull your shades down Marianne
Pull your shades down Marianne
If you want to keep your secrets from your future man
Pull your shades down Marianne

She was combing her golden hair
Then she hung it upon a chair
If you want to keep your secrets from your future man
Pull your shades down Marianne

I was admiring her eyes of blue,
Then she took one of them out too,
If you want to keep your secrets from your future man
Pull your shades down Marianne

She was touching her pretty leg,
Then she hung it upon a peg,
If you want to keep your secrets from your future man
Pull your shades down Marianne

This was a song one of the barbershop group knew from her childhood, and she taught it to us. I am sure that I don't have all the small words correctly, but they are close. You might go on the internet and see if others my age remember? Hope this helps!
-----

Likewise, I hope this helps in terms of more verses; it's not much but she said she'd had a blast making it into a stage skit some time ago with all the various props for taking out the eye, removing the leg, etc. and a girl acting out the lyrics as they were sung, having a sharp backlight to cast a silhouette.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 02:39 PM

I did some more research, and I think it's conclusive that "Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann" is a parody of the Andrews Sisters' 1940s hit "Keep Your Skirt Down Mary Ann."

That in turn was a remake of the Billy Murray-Aileen Stanley rendition dating back to the teens of the 20th century. Murray and Stanley did it as an Irish humor specialty, more or less talking their way through the lyrics. It was the Andrews Sisters who slowed the song down, made it swingy, and provided the framework for the "Pull Your Shades Down" parody.

Thanks Sophia for your grandmother's words! (Sorry I didn't respond before this, but life took me away from this board for extended times this past summer). What fun it must have been to see that skit.

Your grandmother's lyrics stem from what some have called the "dismantled bride" tradition, which brought us classics like Jimmy Driftwood's "Unfortunate Man (The Warranty Deed)," "After the Ball Was Over" (Mary Took Out Her Glass Eye)," "Burglar Man," etc. etc. I'd never heard this one before.

Bob


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 24 Oct 09 - 08:11 AM

I should qualify my message above, because "Pull Your Shades Down, Mary Ann" is not just a parody of one song. It seems to be one of the few that parody * two * songs simultaneously.

On the one hand, it seems clear that "Pull Your Shades" is based on the framework of "Keep Your Head Down Fritzie Boy." It has the "I saw you, I saw you" and other lines that fit exactly.

On the other hand the specific lyrics of "Pull Your Shades" seem to be inspired by the Andrews Sisters' "Keep Your Skirt Down, Mary Ann," which was current on radio in the early to mid-1940s when this parody was apparently invented.

That leaves us with a problem. Did the Marines who sang "Pull Your Shades Down, Mary Ann" sing it to the tune of "Fritzie," the tune of "Skirt," or a combination of the two?

Can anyone do an ABC of the tune they've heard sung to "Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann?" That might answer the question.

Thanks!

Bob


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Oct 09 - 09:41 AM

Bob, "Pull Your Shades Down, Mary Ann" was sung during WWI. That lets out the Andrews Sisters.

See, for example, Katherine Mayo, "That Damn Y," 1920, p. 112: "Why —let's see — 'Pull Your Shades Down, Mary Ann! That 'll cheer 'em up."

The "Naughty Boy" tune was apparently often played by brass bands.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 24 Oct 09 - 12:21 PM

Lighter—thanks! Till now I hadn't been able to find evidence of "Pull Your Shades" earlier than the 40s.

So it still could stem in part from the Billy Murray-Aileen Stanley "Keep Your Skirt Down" but, as you say, has to be 1920 or more probably previous.

Bob


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Oct 09 - 12:45 PM

Bob, Mayo's is just one of several immediately postwar references that place "Mary Ann" no later than 1918.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 24 Oct 09 - 06:25 PM

Yes, it now seems as if the "Pull Your Shades Down, Mary Ann" was a WWI song — and that it was solely based on "Keep Your Head Down, Fritzie Boy."

The big determinant for me was finding that the Billy Murray and Aileen Stanley Victor recording of "Keep Your Skirts Down, Maryann" (their spelling)was *later." The info I have is that it was recorded and issued in 1925. So (unless that duo recorded it earlier in their careers as well ... or unless they were covering another earlier version dating to WWI), "Skirts" cannot have had any formative influence on "Pull Your Shades Down" as I'd first thought.

This raises the possibility that "Fritzie" was first, "Pull Your Shades Down, Mary Ann" came as a parody of that, and the Murray-Stanley "Keep Your Skirts Down" was a pop-market makeover of "Pull Your Shades Down."

It wouldn't be the first time the bawdy song came first — "Lavender Blue," "Sweet Violets," "The Fireship/Roving Kind" and lots of others were cleaned up for the pop market.

So we're left where we were before, wondering what tune was used for "Pull Your Shades Down." As of now, it looks like "Fritzie Boy" is the only candidate left.

Bob


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 24 Oct 09 - 06:46 PM

... And the trail may indeed end at the song "Hold Your Hand Out, You Naughty Boy," as cited in one of the messages above. That song was published in 1914 by Clarence Wainwright Murphy and Worton David.

My best guess is that the tune as sung by Cogan is the original tune to "Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann." No way to confirm it absolutely, but that's my best guess.

My apologies for seeming to yank this discussion all over the place ... but that's how this song has been yanking me. I plan to sing the song to the "Naughty Boy" tune and be done with it.

Unless I learn anything more that tears up all the previous, I stand pat. With my shades down.

Bob


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 24 Oct 09 - 07:19 PM

One more thing. Cogan belts the song, and in doing so distorts it colorfully. To hear "Hold Your Hand Out, Naughty Boy" as it originally was, you can listen to the full 1913 recording, with verses, as debuted by Florrie Forde in the London music hall at Internet Archive:

http://ia341009.us.archive.org/0/items/CollectedWorksOfFlorrieForde/HoldYourHandOutNaughtyBoy1913.mp3

Bob


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,a friend
Date: 27 Mar 12 - 05:29 PM

Pull your shades down MaryAnn,
Pull your shades down, MaryAnn,
Last night by the candlelight,
I saw you, I saw you.

You were combing your golden hair,
It was hanging on a chair,
If you want to keep your secrets
from your future man,
Pull your shades down, MaryAnn


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,HABBY
Date: 29 Mar 12 - 08:23 AM

Sorry - Pull your shades down Maryann came long before the Andrews sisters - 1940. My family of 'UNCLES" were harmonizing this song in the late '30's that i know of and i was only 4. The words i know are - Pull your shades down Maryann,(twice), the other night by the pale moonlight - i saw you, i saw you -you were combing your golden hair - as you sat in your underwear (your rocking chair), if you want to keep a secret from your future beau - pull your shades down maryann.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: EBarnacle
Date: 29 Mar 12 - 11:44 AM

Whoa! Bob's postings cite a 1914 copyright date and a 1913 recording.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 29 Mar 12 - 12:29 PM

"Naughty Boy" by Murphy & David was copyrighted on Oct. 15, 1913, seemingly at the same time in Washington and London.


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Subject: Lyr Add: HOLD YOUR HAND OUT, NAUGHTY BOY
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 08 Dec 13 - 08:10 PM

These lyrics are copied from Monologues.co.uk. Publication data is from The British Library:


HOLD YOUR HAND OUT, NAUGHTY BOY
Words and music by C. W. Murphy & Worton David
London: Francis, Day & Hunter, ©1913.

1. At the club one ev'ning, Jones was telling all his pals
How much he hated girls
Despite their golden curls.
"You wouldn't catch me with a girl, you bet your life," said he.
"Girls possess no charm for me."
Then one chap there at Jones began to leer,
Picked up his cane, and said to him, "Come here.

CHORUS: "Hold your hand out, naughty boy.
Hold your hand out, naughty boy.
Last night in the pale moonlight I saw you; I saw you
With a nice girl in the park.
You were strolling full of joy,
And you told her you'd never kissed a girl before.
Hold your hand out, naughty boy."

2. Brown got down to breakfast, and his wife said to him:
"What kept you late last night?"
He answered, "That's all right,
I stayed down at the office, dear, just for an hour or two.
I'd some pressing work to do."
Just then the saucy servant standing near
Bent down and whispered in his ear:h—CHORUS

3. Sanctimonious Obadiah to sweetheart May one night
The tale was telling strong.
Said he: "To flirt is wrong."
"And am I then the only girl you've loved?" said darling May.
He replied: "Yea, sister, yea."
Then from beneath the sofa near the fire
Her little brother shouted: "Obadiah,—CHORUS

4. All alone to Gay Paree on business went papa,
And when he landed back,
His wife said, "Tell me, Jack,
While you have been in Paris, have you always thought of me?"
"Always darling", murmured he.
"For you, love, I've been pining night and day."
And then the gramophone began to play:—CHORUS

[This music-hall song was recorded by Florri Forde and by Kate Moore. Gitz Rice wrote a parody called "Keep Your Head Down, Fritzie Boy" that became popular during WWI. (Click the link to see the lyrics posted in another thread.)]


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Viki
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 02:55 PM

My grandfather sang:
Keep your shades down Maryann
Keep your shades down Maryann
Last night by the pale moonlight
I saw you, I saw you.
You were sitting in a chair
You were combing your auburn hair
If you want to keep your secrets from your future man
Keep your shades down Maryann.


He always followed with K-k-katie. Which led me to believe it was from WWI.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 06:41 AM

My grandfather sang the song like this:

Keep your shades down Maryann
Keep your shades down Maryann
It was late last night
By the pale moon light
I saw you
I saw you
You were combing your auburn hair
It was laying on a chair
Of You want to keep your secrets from your future man
Keep your shades down Maryann


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Jody
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 06:42 AM

My grandfather sang the song like this:

Keep your shades down Maryann
Keep your shades down Maryann
It was late last night
By the pale moon light
I saw you
I saw you
You were combing your auburn hair
It was laying on a chair
Of You want to keep your secrets from your future man
Keep your shades down Maryann


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,Jody
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 06:47 AM

My grandfather sang the song like this:

Keep your shades down Maryann
Keep your shades down Maryann
It was late last night
By the pale moon light
I saw you
I saw you
You were combing your auburn hair
It was laying on a chair
Of You want to keep your secrets from your future man
Keep your shades down Maryann


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Subject: RE: Origin: Pull Your Shades Down Mary Ann
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 08:58 AM

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2206&dat=19610815&id=u4Y1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=ROkFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5603,7104619

From August, 1961.


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