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BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???

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Subject: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 07:32 PM

Well, seein' as Fox News has been very cooperative in spreading hatred is it time, given the recent assasinations, to pull the plug on it???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 08:39 PM

It certainly terrifies me!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 08:48 PM

Definitely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Q
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 08:55 PM

Dunno about terrorist, but it is piss poor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: bobad
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 10:14 PM

Fox steals more than 100 shoes
Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:58am EDT

BERLIN (Reuters) - A fox has been unmasked as the mystery thief of more than 100 shoes in the small western German town of Foehren, authorities said Friday.

A forest worker stumbled upon shoes strewn near the fox's den and found a trove of footwear down the hole which had recently been stolen overnight from outside locals' front doors.

"There was everything from ladies' shoes to trainers," said a local police spokesman. "We've found between 110 and 120 so far. It seems a vixen stole them for her cubs to play with."

Although many were missing laces, the shoes were in good condition and their owners were delighted to reclaim them, he said, adding that no reprisals were planned against the culprit.

(Reporting by Dave Graham; editing by Philippa Fletcher)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 10:31 PM

Not a bad idea. There's no shortage of people to throw them at.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 11:47 PM

"Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???"

I have difficulty with the term, 'organization'. I don't know that they are terrorist, but they--along with CNN--sure as hell played lotsa games when Bush was pushing the Iraq invasion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 11:57 PM

Which would explain why they stole the shoes!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Kent Davis
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:27 AM

Bobert,

I knew you weren't a big fan of the 2nd Amendment. I found out in '07 you didn't like that "equal protection" bit in the 14th. Guess you don't much care for the 1st either.

If spreading hatred did constitute being a terrorist, what would that make you? Consider these little gems which I found among your posts on a single thread:thread.cfm?threadid=102927#2090443

John Roberts - Accused him of bringing back Jim Crow for deciding AGAINST using race as a criterion in government decisions - 29 June 07 at 6:31 p.m.

Clarence Thomas - "Clarance Thomas is a disgrace to mankind... He woukld roll his own mother under the bus... He makes Uncle Tom look like a flaming revolutioary... Might of fact, I am embarrassed for Clarence Thomas seein' as he has been consistently used by the white power structure as some kind of representative for the black community... He is a bad joke... He is boderline retarded and nuthin' but a court jester... 30 June 07 at 9:17

me - In response to my OPPOSITION to treating people differently based on race, you said, "You are so full of bull, Kent, that I'd hate to be you havin' to sleep at night knowing that you are spreading the same kinda screwed up thinkin' that brough us a hundred years of Jim Crow, the KKK, the Minutemen, et al... 17 July 07 at 8:11

Kent

P.S. Are ther any parts of the Bill of Rights that you like?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:54 AM

I guess the difference is that the people at FOX are actually getting people killed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:30 AM

I don't think it's so much that Fox is a terrorist organization themselves....it's that they give aid and comfort to a terrorist organization.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: kendall
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:09 AM

Fox noise is controlled by Rupert Murdock, an alien who wants to buy up as many news outlets as he can which will give him tremendous power to influence the thinking of people who don't think.

Freedom of the press, thought? expression? how about some responsibility to go with that freedom? There is a big difference between freedom and license.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:52 AM

"I guess the difference is that the people at FOX are actually getting people killed."


                Carol - How are they doing that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Neil D
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:41 AM

By marching lock-step with the previous administration in propogating dishonest propaganda which led us into an illegal, immoral and ill-concieved war. Thats one example.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: TIA
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:07 AM

By inciting fear and loathing in unstable, violence-prone people.

One small example (of hundreds if not thousands) - a direct quote from Sean Hannity -

"Some things are worth fighting and dying for, and keeping Nancy Pelosi from being Speaker of the House is one of those things".


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:37 AM

Kent,

Ya see, ol' buddy... This is where we differ... I am a big fan of the 2nd ammendment... But the entire ammendment as it is written... Seems if anyone isn't a big fan it's yer side 'cause they absolutely refuse to accept the entire ammendment...

Now, as for the 1st ammendment... Seems we have a differing view here... I assume you think it's okay to yell "fire" ina crowded theater???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:32 AM

Does anyone here watch Fox News?

Besides Sean Hannity I don't see them as anywhere nuttier or anymore dangerous than any other News network.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:49 AM

People are gonna talk, people are gonna write, and every so often one of the listeners or readers is gonna think that it is HIS (they're usually male) destiny to DO SOMETHING about it.

Saying you don't like the President/Prime Minister/Chancellor of the Exchequer/Pope/Mullah/Landlord/NARAL/NRML/Army/First Sergeant/Rabbi's beliefs/practices is one thing -- killing them (and likely innocents others with them) is quite another.

For the Holocaust Museum NOT to provide protective vests for their guards (as has been reported) is quite unconscionable. For a man over 80 years old to walk in and shoot someone USED to border on the unbelievable.

I wonder how soon we'll experience a shooting in our Library because someone objects to our ownership of books by Louisa May Alcott or Karl Marx or Adolf Hitler or JR Rowling...or the Torah, the Qu'ran, or The Book of Mormon, or the Bible? It's happened elsewhere, you know -- it's just not usually carried on the "news."


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:52 AM

VIDEO Fox News channel, Bill O'Reilly & others instigating hate & violence


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:55 AM

Watch the ageism, Rapaire!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:34 PM

Fox News has enabled terrorism in the US. There are some such as Shepherd on Fox
who decry the violence that has taken place. People on Fox like him should be encouraged to speak out.

Fox should not be pulled but roundly criticized for their repeated disinformation and polemics. Faux News should be shown for what it is and not supported. If it exists as "free speech" allows, there is no reason to honor or respect it.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:37 PM

Alice ... that is an MSNBC clip blasting Fox ... with some exerpts of Fox's loud mouthed Bill O'Reilly expressing is disgust over late term abortions and Dr. Tiller. No where does he expouse an assissnation of of the Doctor. Though I don't believe in Bill O'Rielly's politics or philosphy I do not think self expression of one's views as such should not be condemned. If you ever do watch any of MSNBC's and FOX's news coverage you will be familiar with the rivalry in Politics and expressions between the 2 polarized news networks.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:44 PM

Bill, I think Olberman on MSNBC did a great job of demonstrating how extreme Fox news is in stirring up people's hatred. I have heard the parroting of Fox from people I work with, and it is scary how extreme and hate filled their views are because they listen to O'Reilley and others on Fox.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:49 PM

The Montana Freeman, now some reorganized into the Militia of Montana is an anti-government group that is like a powder keg here. I have heard people parrot Fox News and Limbaugh both, as justification for their extreme views, which just need a tipping point to turn to violence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:50 PM

(sp. should be Montana Freemen)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:02 PM

Examples of Fox News giving a platform for the anti-govt Militias
This is happening where I live. Fox News is being irresponsible in promoting these white supremacists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:14 PM

Some of the killers have cited FOX as being a big part of the reason for doing what they did.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:27 PM

So, any 'news' organization that does not fondle your point of view, whether it's spun or not, is a terrorist organization???????!! Boy!, You guys are further gone into being Fascists than anyone could have imagined!...and yet, you don't see it..because you can't FEEL it...but you are!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:28 PM

People don't seem to understand that there are many more anti-government types who are like Timothy McVeigh, seething about the incendiary stuff they hear on Fox News and talk radio.

Here is a short reading list for those interested:

Barkun, Michael. Religion and the Racist Right: The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1997.

Levitas, Daniel. The Terrorist Next Door: The Militia Movement and the Radical Right. New York: Thomas Dunne Books/St. Martin's Press, 2002.

Noble, Kerry. Tabernacle of Hate: Why They Bombed Oklahoma City. Ontario, Canada: Voyageur Publishing, 1998.

Stock, Catherine. Rural Radicals: From Bacon's Rebellion to the Oklahoma City Bombing. New York: Penguin Books, 1996.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:34 PM

Didn't we used to have laws or something that were supposed to make it illegal to pass propaganda off as "news"?

That's what we really need. If FOX wants to continue to call itself "NEWS", it ought to be held to the standard that there is actually some truth to what it says. Of course, all of the other major news outlets need to come into compliance with that concept as well, since they're all a bunch of lying propaganda organs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:53 PM

Yeah, Carol. ;-) Well, to expect that to change at this point would be like expecting all hockey players to play clean and fair and not attempt to injure the players on the other side. Or it would be like expecting all politicians to stop making cynical and opportunistic attacks on their political opponents.

Admirable in theory. Inconceivable in execution.

I've got press clippings my father saved in England during WWII. They're full of laughably innacurate propaganda of the time (with the benefit of hindsight)...all intended to make the Germans look weak, incompetent, and bad in every way...while making the British look heroic, competent, and good in every way.

The German clippings of the time were, I'm sure, even worse.

The point is, they all lied a great deal, ignored some truths and exaggerated others out of all context. It's standard behaviour in politics, business, and war....and also in what we call "the news".


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:56 PM

VERY SCARY WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR COUNTRY.





Pastor's wife's letter

How's this for apocalyptic literature. This was written by a
pastor's wife in biblical prose as a commentary of current
events. It is Brilliant.



~~~~~~~~~~

And it came to pass in the Age of Insanity that the people of
the land called America , having lost their morals, their initiative,
and their will to defend their liberties, chose as their Supreme
Leader that person known as "The One".


He emerged from the vapors with a message that had no meaning; but
He hypnotized the people telling them, "I am sent to save you.
My lack of experience, my questionable ethics, my monstrous ego,
and my association with evil doers are of no consequence. For I
shall save you with Hope and Change.

Go, therefore, and proclaim throughout the land that he who
preceded me is evil, that he has defiled the nation, and that all he
has built must be destroyed." And the people rejoiced, for even
though they knew not what "The One" would do, he had promised
that it was good; and they believed.
And "The One" said "We live in the greatest country in the world. Help me
change everything about it!"
And the people said, "Hallelujah! Change is good!"

Then He said, "We are going to tax the rich fat-cats." And the
people said "Sock it to them!"
"And redistribute their wealth."   
And the people said, "Show us the money!"
And then He said, "Redistribution of wealth is good for
everybody"



And Joe the plumber asked, "Are you kidding me? You're going to steal my money and give it to the deadbeats??" And "The One" ridiculed and taunted him, and Joe's
personal records were hacked and publicized.



One lone reporter asked, "Isn't that Marxist policy?"
And she was banished from the kingdom!

Then a citizen asked, "With no foreign relations experience and
having zero military experience or knowledge, how will you deal with
radical terrorists?" And "The One" said, "Simple. I shall sit with
them and talk with them and show them how nice we really are; and
they will forget that they ever wanted to kill us all!" And the
people said, "Hallelujah!! We are safe at last, and we can beat our
weapons into free cars for the people!"


Then "The One" said, "I shall give 95% of you lower taxes." And
one, lone voice said, "But 40% of us don't pay ANY taxes." So "The
One" said, "Then I shall give you some of the taxes the fat-cats
pay!" And the people said, "Hallelujah!! Show us the money!"

Then "The One" said, "I shall tax your Capital Gains when you
sell your homes!"    And the people yawned and the slumping housing
market collapsed. And He said, "I shall mandate employer- funded health care for
EVERY worker and raise the minimum wage. And I shall give every
person unlimited healthcare and medicine and transportation to the
clinics." And the people said, "Give me some of that!"

Then he said, "I shall penalize employers who ship jobs
overseas." And the people said, "Where's my rebate check?"

Then "The One" said, "I shall bankrupt the coal industry and
electricity rates will skyrocket!" And the people said, "Coal is
dirty, coal is evil, no more coal! But we don't care for that part
about higher electric rates." So "The One" said, "Not to worry. If
your rebate isn't enough to cover your expenses, we shall bail you
out. Just sign up with ACORN and your troubles are over!"

Then He said, "Illegal immigrants feel scorned and slighted.
Let's grant them amnesty, Social Security, free education, free
lunches, free medical care, bi-lingual signs and guaranteed
housing..." And the people said, "Hallelujah!!" And they made
him King!

And so it came to pass that employers, facing spiraling costs
and ever-higher taxes, raised their prices and laid off workers.
Others simply gave up and went out of business and the economy sank
like unto a rock dropped from a cliff.
The banking industry was destroyed. Manufacturing slowed to a
crawl. And more of the people were without a means of support.

Then "The One" said, "I am the "The One" - The Messiah - and I'm
here to save you! We shall just print more money so everyone will
have enough!" But our foreign trading partners said unto Him, "Wait
a minute. Your dollar is not worth a pile of camel dung! You will
have to pay more..." And the people said, "Wait a minute. That is
unfair!!" And the world said, "Neither are these other idiotic
programs you have embraced. Lo, you have become a Socialist state
and a second-rate power. Now you shall play by our rules!"

And the people cried out, "Alas, alas!! What have we done?" But
yea verily, it was too late. The people set upon "The One" and spat
upon him and stoned him, and his name was dung. And the once mighty
nation was no more; and the once proud people were without
sustenance or shelter or hope. And the Change "The
One" had given them was as like unto a poison that had destroyed
them and like a whirlwind that consumed all that they had built.
And the people beat their chests in despair and cried out in anguish,
"Give us back our nation and our pride and our hope!!" But it was
too late, and their homeland was no more.

You may think this is a fairy tale, but it's not.

It's happening RIGHT NOW !!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:07 PM

That's pretty amusing, but also propaganda. Take for instance the Joe the Plumber part. His taxes weren't going to be raised under Obama's tax plan. They were going to be cut significantly under Obama's proposed tax plan.

But hey, don't let the truth stand in the way of the propaganda.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:09 PM

You got it LH .... I agree.

We can`t censor every book, TV program, web site because it does not follow our believes and philosphy.

Blaming Fox news as a terrorist organization is in the same category as blaming hard rock Goth (or whatever) music for all teenage suicides or murders.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:12 PM

"If FOX wants to continue to call itself "NEWS", it ought to be held to the standard that there is actually some truth to what it says."


                   Yeah, but so should MSNBC, the NYT, the Washington Post, and a number of other outlets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:28 PM

"Of course, all of the other major news outlets need to come into compliance with that concept as well, since they're all a bunch of lying propaganda organs. "


CarolC is entirely correct. Lets get a goverment board to decide what is the truth, and make all the media use what it tells them to say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:42 PM

Carol is correct in that they all are in many ways a bunch of lying propaganda organs ... but I certainly wouldn`t trust or want the government in mandating what the media has to say.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Kent Davis
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:04 PM

CaroleC wrote, "Didn't we used to have laws or something that were supposed to make it illegal to pass propaganda off as "news"?"

Yes, we did. Before 1791.

Help me out here. As I understand it....In the 50s, we couldn't trust the government cases against the Rosenburgs or Alger Hiss. In the 60s and 70s, we couldn't trust the government to monitor the Weather Underground, the Black Panthers, the Yippies, or the Symbionese Liberation Army. In the 21st Century, we can't trust the government to run Guantanamo or to monitor overseas calls to suspected terrorists. We can't trust the military. We can't trust the CIA. We can't trust the FBI. We can't trust the Securities and Exchange Commission. We can't trust the FDA to regulate drugs.    We can't trust the FCC on issues of public morality. We can't trust any agency of the government to censor "Kos" or THE NEW REPUBLIC or "AirAmerica" or Michael Moore or Keith Olbermann or Stephen Colbert or CBS or Code Pink or ActUp or Greenpeace or NARAL or even Mudcat. We are to "let a thousand flowers bloom", as Chairman Zedong was wont to say. We are to question authority.

But we CAN trust the FCC to shut down the most popular news organization in the US. Is that it?

Or do we need a new organization to replace the FCC and muzzle the Fox? If so, we need a name for it.

How about "The Star Chamber"?

Kent


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:32 PM

Ageism? The man WAS over 80. Heck, I'm 64.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:35 PM

I believe I already said that the other news outlets should also be held to that standard. I would suggest going back and re-reading my post again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:40 PM

We have ways of figuring out which organizations are charities for the purpose of having tax exempt status. Seems to me we could just as easily have ways of figuring out which organizations are promoting propaganda for the purpose of deciding who can call themselves a News outlet and who can't. I haven't suggested shutting them down. Just don't let them call what they provide "news" if it's easily shown to be propaganda. There are organizations that fact check and monitor the various news outlets for accuracy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:44 PM

above was mine-


reread, no change in MY commnet.

I am pointing out that you did not specify WHO gets to decide what the "TRUTH" is.

Iran has that system- whatever the religous leader says is true.

Is that what you want? Or the suggested government Truth board?

Who gets to decide.


I POINTED OUT THAT YOU HAD SAID

"Of course, all of the other major news outlets need to come into compliance with that concept as well, since they're all a bunch of lying propaganda organs. "


CarolC is entirely correct. ( MY COMMENT)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:51 PM

It's not at all difficult to prove facts. Anyone who can prove that what is being presented as fact by news outlets are not facts, but lies or distortions, can show whether or not the news outlets are presenting propaganda. If it can't be proven as a fact, it shouldn't be presented as "news", or at the very least, it should be very clearly labeled as "opinion".

So for instance, if FOX was stating as fact the idea that Joe the plumber would have more of his money taken from him in taxes if Obama's tax plan was implemented, it would be very easy to show that this was not news but propaganda.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Midchuck
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:13 PM

Every time you point out to a fundamentalist "Christian" specific statements made in scripture by Jesu ben Joseph, which directly contradict the fundamentalist's position, he will say "The Devil can quote scripture for his own purposes. Every single damn time.

Every time a conventional liberal OR conventional conservative wants to shut down a media outlet for taking political positions that he doesn't agree with, the reference to "shouting 'Fire' in a crowded theater" is brought up.

Can't we get some new buzz lines?

Peter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Midchuck
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:14 PM

NEXT time I'll close my quotes more carefully.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:17 PM

Not all that reports the 'progress' of a particular wing's agenda, is not news...Is that news to you?? Apparently so!! I get all sides, then decide..not just that which I agree with!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:19 PM

If we eliminated the propaganda and just reported the news, there wouldn't be any "sides" with which to agree or not agree. Only when the "news" is saturated with propaganda and opinion are there actually any "sides".


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:23 PM

Here's an example. This is news...

Obama has said that his tax plan would lower taxes on families making less than $200,000 per year, on individuals making less than $150,000 per year, and the taxes on individuals making between $250,000 and $200,000 per year would remain the same.


The following two are not news but propaganda...

Under Obama's tax plan, your taxes will be reduced if you make less than $250,000 per year.

Obama wants to raise your taxes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:33 PM

ANd if there are differing opinions, who can show figures that show Obama to be wrong about the actual effect of his tax plan???

I agree that Obama said that, so it is true- but is WHAT he said true?

I do not know what others WANT- But I can look at what they propose and see if the effect is to do something other than what they state is so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:53 PM

The news is that he said it. Doesn't matter whether or not it's true. That's not news until the tax plan is implemented and either things happen as he said they would, or they don't.

Trying to project either way whether or not his opinion about is tax plan's actual effect is accurate is not news, it's opinion. It would be news to report what McCain said about his own tax plan as well. It would not be news to speculate on what the effects of his tax plan would be. That would be opinion.

It's news to report what people said, what they did (and how they did it, where they did it, and when they did it). It's news to report what has happened. It's not news to speculate on why people did things, on what they might do in the future, on what the possible effects of their actions or words might be, or on what might happen in the future. Those are opinions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:00 PM

Actually, although I know less about US media law than UK I am pretty sure that there did used to be a balance requirement monitored by the FCC - but I forget whether it was Reagan or Bush castrated it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:02 PM

I can agree with you on your last post- but the "news" media provides far more opinion than news.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:07 PM

What the "news" media provides these days is almost entirely opinion. That's the problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:14 PM

"Those are opinions"

Hmmm good point .... maybe the problem lies with the 24 hour News Networks themselves .... as most of the televised air times with these networks are personalities (i.e. Lou Dobbs, sean Hannity, Bill Oreilley, or whom ever) delivering 1 hour of their opinion on the news. Too much time, too much spin, too little straight forward news. People view in only so much of this and usually end up getting only a one sided view of whatever/whomever they watch.

Remember the old days when news was regulated to 1 hour of local news, 1 hour of national/world news with a 5 minute commentary delivered at the end (Walter Cronkite) ... but then again that 5 minutes could change a nation's opinion.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:26 PM

From: Rapaire - PM
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:32 PM

Ageism? The man WAS over 80. Heck, I'm 64.

And your point is??????????


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:26 PM

24 hours news networks ..... with this is a revenue demanding corporations ... delivering straight ahead unbiased new is not audiencing capturing programming ... now we need extreme opinions, extreme spin, and with this lies anything to capture the $revenue$ (audience).

it alls go back to $dollar$ profits with corporations. All this gets in bed with the politikal machinery and proganda feeding the populace.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: kendall
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:28 PM

"You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think." (Dorothy Parker)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:30 PM

Once upon a time, long, long ago, there was a man:
I. F. Stone still speaks to us today!
Found this quote in an essay about I.F.: "To write the truth as I see it; to defend the weak against the strong; to fight for justice; and to seek, the best I can, to bring healing perspectives to bear on the terrible hates and fears of mankind, in the hope of someday bringing about one world, in which men enjoy the differences of the human garden instead of killing each other over them."

I can forgive him the archaic use of "men" and "mankind". He was a man of principle and used his skills to seek out the truths at a time when few were doing so. He warned of what was coming and a few heeded his words. They were a constant presence in my childhood home. "The newspaper says this and the (news magazine) says that BUT I. F. Stone says...." We could depend on him for the bottom line, the truth. He was the Bill Moyers of his era, and way beyond, and more.

For more on I.F.Stone: http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=23229913723&h=eN3Z4&u=HWEl8

Who CAN we count on today and HOW can we ensure that is heard?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:39 PM

Midchuck used the phrase:

statements made in scripture by Jesu ben Joseph,

If you're going with the "ben Joseph", you shouldn't Latinize the man's first name. It would be something like "Yeshua ben Yosef".

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:46 PM

It's up to us as individuals to seek out the truth .... not to believe everything we hear from a selected segment in the media or what is delivered to us from our governments.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: heric
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 06:01 PM

Facts aren't simple. Consider, for instance, a sentence like this: "[Amenjibijab] has moved to purge suspected reformists from key government posts, such as ambassadors serving in the Iranian foreign ministry and senior lecturers at university." With what factual underpinning does the conclusion itself become a fact? The reader is basically helpless.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 06:23 PM

What I. F. Stone is describing is not reportage (not "news"), it's advocacy journalism, which may be a perfectly good activity to engage in, but it shouldn't be labeled "news". It should be labeled what it is - advocacy journalism (or opinion or propaganda... whichever seems the best fit).

_____________________


Try this one, then, "Ahminadinnerjacket removed Ambassadors, A, B, C, and D from the Iranian foreign ministry, and Professors A, B, and C from Tehran University, and Professors D, E, and F from Shiraz University on June 14.

But this is only fact if it's actually true. If some people think it's true, but they have no hard evidence to back it up, then they can say, for instance, that "(source of alleged fact) has reported that on June 14, Ahminadinnerjacket removed Ambassadors, A, B, C, and D from the Iranian foreign ministry, and Professors A, B, and C from Tehran University, and Professors D, E, and F from Shiraz University. We have not confirmed the accuracy of this report.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 06:27 PM

If one wants to also show that the people who were fired were reformists, if one has accurate information, they could also mention that the people fired describe themselves as reformists, or as Mousavi supporters, or whatever (as long as it's true).


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 07:43 PM

Here's the real deal here that some are missing... The US public owns the public airwaves... That's the problem I have with Fox... This isn't about 1st ammendment rights... I am all for them... If Fox wants to join in as a cable station, fine... It can lie to whomever it wants, whenever it wants , etc, etc... But it has no right to do so on my nickle...

Actually, the blame falls more on the FCC who has been limp-legged in protecting the public airwaves when it comes to Fox...

Let me tell ya'll a little story...

When I was in Mississippi recording my CD I was stayin' with a Fox-ite... Katrina was also going on further down south... All this guy did was watch FOX and he was all over that racist little Fox lie about snipers shooting at doctors... I didn't belioeve it fir one minute but he was torqued about it and seein' as the only folks left in New Orleans at that point in time were poor black folks the message that came thru loud and clear was that "niggers were shooting at doctors"... That's exactly they way that guy put it to me... Where exactly is the news in that piece of crap reporting, folks??? There isn't any, that's where... Just another attempt on Fox's part to stir up racist sentiments...

Hey, I don't mind if Fox wants to go cable and call themselves whatever... The KKK network would be fitting...

What I object to is allowing Fox to have this "pass" on having to be accountable...

I mean, lets get real here for one second... Dan Rather was busted over a piece that was probably true and Fox lies 24/7 and gets away with it... Now we have Fox-ites who have been whipped up into a lather by Foxies and think it's perfectly okay to go and blow the barins outta some progressive/liberal???

This is one very messed up situation...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 07:56 PM

If I recall ... since I didn't watch FOX back then ... CNN was also reporting sniper fire at the doctors ... even the CBC here in Canada reported it.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: heric
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:16 PM

and the New England Journal of Medicine for that matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:17 PM

It may have been reported but it wasn't repeated every 5 minutes like Fox did... I know... I sat in this guys living room watching these allogations repeated about as ofter at Reverand Wright's stuff... It's one thing for a station to report that there have been "reports of sinper fire" once every two hours but to beat it into yer audience like beating a tom-tom every 5 minutes for 2 days straight is quite another thing... I was never so happy to get the heck outtaMississipi as having to sit thru three nights of Fox's racist reports about Katrina... Just about ever report shifted away from the failings of FEMA and the Bush administration onto the back of the poor black people who could get outta New Orleans... It was disgustingly political...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:43 PM

You should have gotten your own motel room .... and read a book.


biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Kent Davis
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:59 PM

Bobert and CaroleC,

I am touched by your faith in the government's ability to distinguish news from propaganda and in its trustworthiness. That's so sweet.

Had your preferred system been in place under the previous administration, who should have made the actual determination of what may be called news? Should it have been President Bush? FCC Chairman Powell? Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert? Chief Justice Roberts? A panel appointed by them? Who?

Kent


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: heric
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:00 PM

>beat it into yer audience like beating a tom-tom every 5 minutes for 2 days straight is quite another thing<   yeah good point


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:30 PM

That is the point, heric...

There's one thing about taking all the news and presenting it as accurately as is possible yet another when one cherry picks looking for that one story line, be it true or not, and pounding it laike it was the Holy Grail, as Kent is defending with Fox...

Journalism is more than pounding people!!!

Hey, CBS didn't "Rev Wright" people when Dan Rather reported on documents that showed Bush was AWOL... It made the report and went on to the next story... They didn't pound away with the kind or repetition that brainwashers do to their subjects (victims)... No, Dan Rather made it a 30 second story as part of an overall news program...

I mean, if the Kents of the world can't see the difference between 24/7 brainwashing and a 30 second news story then me thinks that the Kent's of the world have subjected themeselves to too much of the 24/7 brainwashingh and need to unplug the TV (Fox) for a couple of months, or years, for that matter...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:30 PM

Choosing sides and participating in the food fight between Fox News and MSNBC probably isn't a very constructive use of one's time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:33 PM

Please show me where I said I had faith in the government's ability to distinguish news from propaganda and its trustworthines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:36 PM

I believe that FOX is a cable network. We don't get cable here, and we don't get FOX NEWS. One of our local stations is a FOX affiliate, but it's a different animal entirely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:45 PM

"Choosing sides and participating in the food fight between Fox News and MSNBC probably isn't a very constructive use of one's time."

that's for sure Rig.

as for "Journalism is more than pounding people!!!"
... one has the choice to be 'pounded' .. turn off the TV or switch the channels ... as I said ya can go read a good book ... and the book you read is also your choice.

Also


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: plnelson
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:00 PM

I'm a "card carrying" member of the ACLU -(which plenty of people of Fox's ilk think is a terrorist organization)- and we've defended far worse than Fox.   We've defended NAZI's and KKK'ers, among others, because freedom of speech is a core requirement of a free society.

The First Amendment is under threat all over the US because people don't "get" it, or even know what it is!   A few years ago a museum in Chicago (the McCormick Tribune Freedom Museum) decided to celebrate their opening by commissioning a serious poll of 1000 Americans, asking them if they could name the 5 freedoms protected by the First Amendment, and the 5 main Simpson's characters. About 1/4 of respondents could name the Simpson's characters.

Exactly ONE person (out of the 1000) could name the 5 freedoms in the First Amendment!!!!    So Fox should be the LEAST of our worries!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:26 PM

Carol C: What I. F. Stone is describing is not reportage (not "news"), it's advocacy journalism, which may be a perfectly good activity to engage in, but it shouldn't be labeled "news". It should be labeled what it is - advocacy journalism (or opinion or propaganda... whichever seems the best fit).

Perhaps that quote did not tell the picture. What I.F. Stone DID was dig for the truth in any situation. Not to advocate, or propagandize but to bring to the surface that which had been purposely hidden. Photographer in WWII, Eugene Smith, sent back articles and photos to Life/Time/ NYTimes but they were, often, so censored that often only the title and byline arrived in NYC. He saw truths that the U.S. govt did not want known. I.F. found those types of truths.

My father read news from right, left and center, seeking the truth of situations. From The National Guardian to US News& WR. And I.F. Stone. One viewing point is never sufficient in the search for truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:28 PM

But the difference between the KKK and the Nazis, is that they are marginalized organizations, while FOX is listened to and taken seriously by a lot of people. As I said, I don't advocate trying to shut them down, but I do think there should be some truth in advertising about their product. They can do and actually do quite a lot of damage because they are taken seriously by so many people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:30 PM

Crossposted. I guess I would need to be more familiar with I. F. Stone to be able to form an opinion about what he was doing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:52 PM

"One viewing point is never sufficient in the search for truth"

no kidding !


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:55 PM

Thanks for the laugh, number 6. Sometimes the obvious needs to be stated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Kent Davis
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:39 PM

Bobert ,

I don't have a television and haven't had one since 1993. I get my broadcast news from NPR.

Your proposal requires that someone determine whether or not to "pull the plug" on an organization. I am not doubting that such a determination COULD be made. I am asking you whom do you trust to make the determination.

CarolC,

You said "Please show me where I said I had faith in the government's ability to distinguish news from propaganda and its trustworthines". Today at 1:34 p.m. you wrote, "Didn't we used to have laws or something that were supposed to make it illegal to pass propaganda off as "news"? That's what we really need."

What agency do you trust to make that determination? If you don't trust the government to make the determination, then why do we "really need" "laws or something that were supposed to make it illegal to pass propaganda off as 'news'"?

Kent


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Kent Davis
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:47 PM

CarolC,

You DID advocate shutting FOX down. In the first post of this thread, Bobert asked if it were time "to pull the plug" on FOX. In the third post of this thread, you answered "Definitely".

I can understand your changing your mind about it, but why deny having written what you wrote, especially when it's there for all to see?

Kent


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Kent Davis
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 12:13 AM

Bobert,

I trust the government to competently and with goodwill determine whether or not somebody shouted "Fire" in a crowded theater.

I do not trust the government to competently and with goodwill determine whether or not a story on late term abortions is news or propaganda. Do you? If you do, who should actually make the determination?

I know! How about a panel of appointees with rotating 7-year terms?

I can see it now: THE STAR CHAMBER, with the Honorable Judges John Ashcroft, Kenneth Starr, Harriet Miers, Alan Keyes, and Alberto Gonzales. That would work well, wouldn't it?

Kent


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 12:13 AM

"But the difference between the KKK and the Nazis, is that they are marginalized organizations, while FOX is listened to and taken seriously by a lot of people."


             That's because we've failed as a society to educate people. We continue to try to tell students what to think instead of helping them find a way to discover how to think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 12:16 AM

".. one has the choice to be 'pounded' .. turn off the TV or switch the channels ... as I said ya can go read a good book ... and the book you read is also your choice."

             Boy, don't get me started on books. The slime that passes in the US for non-fiction books is unbelievable, literally. We need some kind of a "peer review" system for books.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 12:36 AM

No, I was saying "definitely" to the question of whether or not FOX is a terrorist organization. My answer to that question is, definitely. I did not offer an opinion about whether or not FOX should be shut down.


I think we could set up some kind of board that would be comprised of people from many different spheres of influence to oversee who can call themselves a news outlet and who would need to fall under a different category. It could have people from all political parties, as well as people from the media and some people from the government, maybe the FCC, and some people who are just ordinary citizens (these could be on a rotating basis). I think if we got creative we could come up with something that works.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 12:37 AM

To be perfectly honest, I didn't even read the first post in thread until after I answered the question posed in the thread title. My bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 07:28 AM

Kent,

Over trusting the governemnt to regulate hate organizations or supporting them I'll take the regulation...

(But, Bobert, the governemnt isn't supporting FOX...)

Bull, it is, too... Fox isn't just a cable station... It, as CBS, NBC and ABC was granted a public airwaves license by the FCC... The operative word here "public airwaves"... You could get FOX with normal rabbit ears from it's first licensing up unti a couple days ago when you needed a "box" with the rabbit ears... That makes it very much a user of the ***publicly owned*** airwaves...

Well, who owns ***publicly owned*** stuff??? The American people, that is who...

MSNBC is a cable station owned by NBC... But it is a cable station... Not a station that uses "publicly owned" airwaves...

Herein is my beef with FOX...

Like I said, if someone wants to raise the money and crate a hate filled cable station WKKK, that falls well within their 1st ammendment rights... But for the governemnt to issue a license for such a venture to use the airwaves that I partly own is the government supporting hate...

No two ways about it...

And, as others have mentioned here, in doing so the governemnt is legitimizing pripaganda and hate and tacitly supporting folks who rile up assasins...

If CBS, NBC or ABC were doing this I would also have a beef with them... But they are not...

If you want to hate, fine... Don't do it on my airwaves, thank you... Privatize it!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:00 AM

I've never been able to get FOX with normal rabbit ears. At least not the FOX that has the 24 hour fake news. We get a local FOX affiliate, but it doesn't have things like O'Reilly and Hannity and all of that propaganda stuff. I've only ever been able to get that on cable. I just now had a look in the section of the online TV Guide that covers broadcast networks, and the only FOX that is broadcast here is the local affiliate which airs mostly stuff like Judge Judy, Divorce Court and a lot of sitcom and cartoon reruns.

One more time, I think it would be useful to note that FOX NEWS is only available on cable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:14 AM

If he misses my last post like he did the other one where I pointed out that FOX is only available on cable, somebody point it out to him, ok?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:35 AM

"MSNBC is a cable station owned by NBC... But it is a cable station... Not a station that uses "publicly owned" airwaves..."

               That's right, Carol. Fox is a cable station as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:46 AM

Bobert .... your rhetoric is much the same as Sean Hannity's ... the difference being is he pounding from the extreme right, your pounding from the extreme left.

Maybe the FCC (or some other government agency)should slam down the Mudcat.IS the WWW public??? I guess it doesn't matter as the government of China censors info from coming through the WWW. Hell they even censor the news media in that country.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 09:00 AM

BTW ... when I said China I mean th the People's Republic of China.

Well, who owns ***publicly owned*** stuff in China??? The Chinese people, that is who...

biLL who cherish's the freedom of speech and information, even if he doesn't agree with all that is 'speeched'. What is the true information, only I (as an individual) can determine that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: plnelson
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 09:11 AM

"If CBS, NBC or ABC were doing this I would also have a beef with them... But they are not...

If you want to hate, fine... Don't do it on my airwaves, thank you... Privatize it!!!"

I don't know where you're posting from but the First Amendment also guarantees the right of people to express their opinions in "your" public square (freedom of speech, freedom of assembly).

So you're just plain wrong on this - there is nothing in our Constitution that places a "content" test on free speech. Hate speech, and stupid speech are still PROTECTED speech under "our" Constitution.

I don't watch TV, myself, and one of the reasons is that I don't agree with the content of CBS, NBC or ABC (and CNN and Fox) - - namely that we can achieve happiness by just buying lots and lots of STUFF, and getting up to our ears in debt ("Matercard:priceless!) to do it. I think the big corporate message is far more damaging to our society, culture, and environment than anything Fox promotes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:12 PM

I wrote an email to Sean Hannity suggesting that he prove that waterboarding is not torture, if he has the guts. I don't expect a reply.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:54 PM

Maybe he could waterboard Henry Waxman. If he lives it's not torture. If he doesn't...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 07:02 PM

IMHO the problem is not that Sean Hannity, and others like him, speak. It is that they choose to speak in ways that engender thoughtlessness and reaction in the public discourse, by using fear and hatred instead of reason. To me, this is a severe public disservice and something to be ashamed of. In this manner they abuse their own freedom to speak by doing it in a way that eats away at the key thing that makes that freedom possible -- namely, reciprocal respect. Their extreme disrespect toward those they disagree with and their promotion of hate-and-fear-based irrationality is a public offence because it undermines the very idea of public dialogue.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 07:09 PM

"Their extreme disrespect toward those they disagree with and their promotion of hate-and-fear-based irrationality is a public offence because it undermines the very idea of public dialogue."


Shall I go back to the anti-Bush threads and bring forward some examples???


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: plnelson
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 07:11 PM

I wrote an email to Sean Hannity suggesting that he prove that waterboarding is not torture, if he has the guts. I don't expect a reply.

Why did you even bother?   There is no one in the world who doesn't know what waterboarding is by now. (thanks a lot George and Dick that this should even be part of our vocabulary!)

So no one needs anyone at Fox or NPR or the Beeb anywhere else to help them decide whether it's torture.   We all have a vivid enough picture that we can decide for ourselves. Furthermore, what you asked him to do is not logically possible (not that Hannity is smart enough to know this) because it comes down to definitionalism.

Why are you so exercised over Hannity, who has his little loony following and that's all, when Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich, who hold many of the same wacky views, get reported on ALL the US networks, including NPR, when they issue some statement?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 07:21 PM

Hannity is particularly irritating because he has the face of a small boy, and apparently the life-experience of an adolescent, and yet has been handed the megaphone of an important adult. He is not; he is a spoiled small-minded person.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 07:22 PM

"Their extreme disrespect toward those they disagree with and their promotion of hate-and-fear-based irrationality is a public offence because it undermines the very idea of public dialogue."

The fool Hannity has a way with people from both sides of the political spectrum to fall into the above statement.

Sad that people (left and right) get so emotionally worked up over his verbal spew.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 07:42 PM

Well, Carol, ask yer ol' freinds back in Wes Ginny... Fox has been broadcasting on the public airwaves since, ahhhh, back in the late 70's or early 80's... In DC it has been Channel 5... 4,5.7 and 9...

4 = NBC
5 = FOX
7 = ABC
9 = CBS

I don't care all that much that the cable version of FOX has the mkore inflamatory jerks... It's all the same company and Channel 5 has it's own certain rightie slant to it, sans the most jerkiests of the jerks... Same company... Same Rupert Murdock... Just a tad watered down rightie station and *****it is***** and *****has been**** sent over the public airwaves gong back at least 20 years...

Google "Channel 5, Fox News, Washington, D.C." and you'll find that this ol' hillbilly knows of what I talk here...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:50 PM

The FOX that's on channel 5 is not FOX NEWS. It's a local affiliate that hasn't got any of the programming that FOX NEWS has. It's all reruns of sitcoms, old movies, and stupid daytime programming like Judge Judy and Jerry Springer. None of the programming that is being complained about in this thread is broadcast on FOX's local affiliates like channel 5.

All of the programming that is being complained about in this thread is on FOX's cable network. And only there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:53 PM

You ever watch their news, Carol??? I do... I watch iot at 10:00 at night and is very right leaning...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:56 PM

BTW, I grew up watching FOX's channel 5 in the DC suburbs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:58 PM

Our FOX affiliate's local news is just like all other local news. My son used to be one of the engineers for the local affiliate's local news. I used to watch it a lot. It's just like everyone else's local news.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: C. Ham
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 03:56 PM

I believe that FOX is a cable network. We don't get cable here, and we don't get FOX NEWS.

Boy, for somebody who doesn't get Fox News, she sure has a lot to say about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 04:49 PM

The only thing one can really say about it is it ain't news, but MSNBC isn't either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:36 PM

I am subjected to FOX NEWS every time I go the the bank, the mechanic, the doctor's office, any place they have a TV on in a waiting area, I have to watch FOX NEWS. So I know a bit about it through being tortured by it while having to wait.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: fumblefingers
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:49 PM

Obviously most of you lefties don't watch Fox News.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 08:07 PM

I try to avoid it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 08:25 PM

Fox is not a terrorist organization, no. But they tend toward terror-mongering, which is a derivative.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 09:46 PM

And Enron almost destroyed the country with derivatives.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 10:40 PM

"Waxman's legislative priorities are health and environmental issues. These include universal health insurance, Medicare and Medicaid coverage, tobacco, AIDS, air and water quality standards, pesticides, nursing home quality standards, women's health research and reproductive rights, the availability and cost of prescription drugs, and the right of communities to know about pollution levels. Also, he is known to be in favor of gun control, he was quoted as saying "If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all."[1] from Wiki

For the record, Rig, I have admired Waxman for years. (And he does have a point about gun owners!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: plnelson
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 10:41 PM

Obviously most of you lefties don't watch Fox News.

I don't watch any TV. So what?   I don't live in Iraq or Uganda either, but that doesn't mean I'm not well-enough informed to know that they're screwed-up.   TV is not the only, or even best, source of information - even about TV!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: DougR
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:36 AM

Right, Bobert, I think any publication that doesn't promote your left wing line should be forced to go out of business, and their principals committed to Gitmo! After all there is going to be a lot of space there when the Messiah closes it down.

Now, I assume you feel it would be also be fair for any publication that doesn't promote my right wing line should suffer the same fate, right? Fair is fair, right?

Or is the Second Amendment to the U. S. Constitution to be done away with altogether?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:40 AM

"and their principals committed to Gitmo!"

So, ya figure there might be something juuussst a weeee bit wrong at Gitmo, Doug?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 08:35 AM

"For the record, Rig, I have admired Waxman for years. (And he does have a point about gun owners!)"


                If Waxman had his way about guns, what would be the point of David Letterman going hunting with Sarah Palin?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 08:37 AM

Dougie, Dougie, Dougie... What am I going to do with you???

First of all, seeing as you have not kept up with the gun thread, I have no problems with the 2nd ammendment as it was written... What I have problems with is folks who absolutely have no need for the first half of the ammendment because it ties gun ownership to the right to form a militia...

And as for the 1st ammendment I doubt very seriously if the Founding Fathers would have approved of someone yelling "Fire" ina crowded theater...

As for sending right-wing wacko principles to Gitmo I'd be just as happy for them to simply be taken off the public airwaves... There aren't any left-wing wackos on the public airwaves... I'm not sure why the right seems to think they have priveledges that the left isn't entitled to enjoy...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 07:48 PM

Bobert,

I have found an organization of like-thinking folks for you to join with...



"The government has blocked certain Web sites, such as BBC Farsi, Facebook, Twitter and several pro-Mousavi sites that are vital conduits for Iranians to tell the world about protests and violence. Many other sites, including Gmail and Yahoo, were unusually slow and rarely connect.

Mousavi condemned the blocking of Web sites, saying the government did not tolerate the voice of the opposition.

The Revolutionary Guard, an elite force answering to Khamenei, said through the state news service that its investigators have taken action against "deviant news sites" that encouraged public disturbances. The Guard is a separate military with enormous domestic influence and control of Iran's most important defense programs. It is one of the establishment's key sources of power.

The statement alleged that dissident Web sites were backed by Canadian, U.S. and British interests, a frequent charge by hard-liners against the opposition.

"Legal action will be very strong and call on them to remove such materials," it said. "



And to help with your plans to remove all those that espouse views you do not agree with:



"The U.S.-based International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran said several dozen noted figures associated with the reform movement have been arrested, among them politicians, intellectuals, activists and journalists.

Tehran-based analyst Saeed Leilaz, who is often quoted by Western media, was arrested Wednesday by plainclothes security officers at his home, said his wife, Sepehrnaz Panahi.

At least 10 Iranian journalists have been arrested since the election, Reporters Without Borders said. "


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Kent Davis
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 12:45 AM

If an organization commits terrorism, it is a terrorist organization. Not even Bobert thinks FOX News has committed actual terrorism, that Sean Hannity has been planting bombs or Bill O'Reilly throwing molotov cocktails.

If an organization praises and justifies terrorism, it is a terrorist-supporting organization. The old Sein Fein comes to mind. Not a single clip or quote has been or can be produced in which anyone on FOX praises or justifies any terrorist act. Not one.

If an organization is appreciated by terrorists, or if it reflects a political view shared by a terrorists, is it therefore "a terrorist organization"? The Unabomber was a terrorist. Does that mean the Sierra Club is a terrorist organization? Should we forbid their magazine to be sent through the U.S. Postal Service?

Kent


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 12:51 AM

Terrorism is the practice of terrorizing people in order to control their behavior. I'd say FOX absolutely uses that tactic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 12:52 AM

(It's not always necessary to blow people up in order to instill terror.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 08:35 AM

Yeah .... in that perspective I guess you can call FOX News somewhat of a terrorist organization.

also "in that perspective" I'd say I myself have been a terrorist.

"if you don't pass the year you have lost your driving the Jeep previliges" ... me to my son when he was 17 yrs.

"ok Otis, if your not going to eat your chow forget about any treats today" ... me to my hound

and I have been a victim of terrosm on more tha a few times in my life.

"if you guys don't get this project successfuly implemented on time your all fired" ... a former demanding boss of mine

"if you don't get your act together your going to fail this subject" ... a former grade 11 math teacher of mine, a real terrorist.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 12:41 PM

Personally, I wouldn't expect those examples to instill terror. Fear perhaps, anxiety, maybe even dread, but I rather doubt most parents (or bosses) would deliberately try to instill terror in their children (or employees).


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 01:11 PM

Depends with the situation ...

It was a feeling of intense fear and dread (a feeling of terror) to my son my son at 17, at the thought of not having the Jeep to cruise around in ... to anyone else it would be an annoyance.

The thought of getting fired at that time in my life would leave me shuttering in terror as I was the sole provider to my family at that time. Sure, in all probability I would find a new job if I had to ... and in hindsight it should have left me in astate of anxiety, not terror.

So ... some people are terrorized by FOX News, some like my self just get annoyed by the likes of Sean Hannity.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 01:16 PM

I should elaborate more ... some people feel FOX News is manipulating the populace through terror (as in your above definition), others like myself feel it is just a 24/7 news channel that espouses it right leaning views.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: DougR
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 01:36 PM

Bobert: Touche! I got my amendments wrong. So that even you, my friend, will understand what I mean: banning talk radio because it features program content espousing a political philosophy other than your own SHOULD be a violation of the "free speech" amendment. That would be true even if said radio station was featuring talk show hots that espouse a political philosophy other than mine!

The reason liberal talk shows have not succeeded on radio is there are not enough liberals to support one. As you know, there have been several efforts to establish one, but the support from liberal listeners is simply not there.

As to Gitmo: no, I don't think there is anything wrong with Gitmo. It is serving the purposse for which it was built very well. Obama shot from the hip and announced it's closing before he had a plan for what to do with the terrorists it houses. No surprise there, Obama has been so busy trying to wreck our free enterprise system he probably is too fatigued to make sensible pronouncements.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 02:07 PM

"The reason liberal talk shows have not succeeded on radio is there are not enough liberals to support one"

I think the reason is most (true)liberals are too intelligent to bother to listen to all these 7/24 radio/TV news commentary shows spewing out their ridiculous political rhetoric.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: DougR
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 06:37 PM

Guest Number 6: Wow! Do you wear your official "I'm too intelligent to listen to talk radio" sign on your back?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 06:48 PM

Actually, Doug, #6 is a highly intelligent man. FYI.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 10:41 AM

Doug ... no I don't ... I haven't since 1979 when I wasn't allowed into a saloon that had a strict policy of "no club colours or patches allowed"

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Stringsinger
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 07:21 PM

Fox News has its antecedents in Father Coughlins and Gerald L.K. Smith. It would probably have endorsed McCarthy during that period.

It's a propaganda organ with little factual credence.

Let's not get into what is a terrorist organization because there is plenty of activity today
from many countries including the U.S. that would fall into that nebulous category.

One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. Fox is B.S. News.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 06:27 PM

FOX news ran a full page newspaper ad today claiming that the other tv networks "missed" the news story on the 9/12 tea party march on Washington. Hmmmm... well, as Rick Sanchez of CNN says to FOX, "You Lie!". Contrary to Fox's ad, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and CNN all covered the news. The video of Rick Sanchez's response is worth watching. Link to that is in the print article below.

FOX even used a CNN news photo in the ad!

Link to response to FOX (even Bill O'Reilley on FOX talked about CNN's coverage of the event).
Networks respond to false Fox ad


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 06:47 PM

Surely accusing Fox News of lying is like accusing a stripper of being underdressed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 07:14 PM

Here is a permanent link to the article (the other won't last).

Networks respond to false Fox ad (cnn.com)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 07:23 PM

If I am not mistaken, FOX was part of organizing the Million Idiot March... That alone should be justification to pull their FCC license...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 08:00 PM

If you watch the Rick Sanchez video weighs in on FOX's ad VIDEO
you will hear Sanchez make the point that CNN and the others COVERED the event, but did not PROMOTE the event.
Video is worth watching (short ad first).


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 10:19 PM

This partisan hatred has gone beyond anything that's reasonable. I was listening to NPR today and this lady kept bringing up the "birthers" as if they were mindless idiots.

            I believe Barack Obama was born in America. I think he was legally elected to the office. The fact that he will not produce his birth certificate--the entire thing--tells me there's something on it he doesn't want the public to know. Rare blood type of something.

          So I see the lady as being half-right. I think it's stupid for the "birthers" to protest his election to the offic, but I still wonder about Obama's certificate.

          This ongoing food fight is simply not helpful!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 11:12 PM

oh, geez. His birth certificate HAS BEEN produced.
I've got to agree with the NPR lady.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 11:22 PM

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 11:36 PM

Lou Dobbs on the air is not protected by free speech guarantees, nor is FOX.

They are governed by the FCC as broadcast privileges NOT the Constitution.

Lou Dobbs is being told that his lies have caused the needless deaths of tens of thousands of people and that CNN should at the minimum fire him. Who says this? Mexican lawyers.

Change the FCC and you change the enforement of the laws.

didya hear me FOX


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 12:50 AM

" this lady kept bringing up the "birthers" as if they were mindless idiots."

Oh no. They are surely geniuses.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 10:58 AM

Well, Rigs, why do you believe that Obama was born in the US if he, as you say, can't produce his birth certificate...

Seems to me as if you are a "closet birther"...

Back to the FCC... The public airwaves are owned by all of US... Fox has a license granted by (all of US) to use these airwaves... Now it one thing to use the public airwaved to express opinions but quite another to for any media company to have access to them when that media company is also in the business of organizing and promoting anti-government demonstrations...

And before anyone screams that NPR also does this I'd ask that that person please provide sources where NPR has been an active participant in organizing and promoting such events...

Until then, I still of the opinion that FOX should have it's license pulled by the FCC... If it wants to be just another cable channel, fine...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 11:04 AM

Fox News is the opposition party. There is no longer a real Republican Party. There is Fox News, and the republicans do its bidding.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 11:14 AM

FOX News plus Clear Channel Radio (Rush Limbaugh) are leading the Republican party.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Stringsinger
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 03:47 PM

Bobert, this should be a declarative statement not a question. Of course they are.

They incite unlawful violence, tell lies to inflame their listeners and support hate-mongers such as....Hannity, Limbaugh, etc.

And the anchors and media people are totally ignorant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 10:01 AM

Any news organization who metaphorically yells fire in a crowded theater is a terrorist.

Stirring up right-wing militias to kill Obama is a terrorist action.

I bet they wouldn't permit this kind of nonsense in Australia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 12:56 PM

Fox's position on cultural values:

"Fox: Are Libraries "a Waste of Tax Money"?

Books have already been pronounced dead; it was only a matter of time before libraries were sentenced to the same fate. In cash-strapped Illinois, a Fox News station is trying to help the state figure out how to save a few bucks. Libraries, they've decided, are the sort of things that can go. "With the Internet and e-books, do we really need millions for libraries?" Fox's Anna Davlantes asks. "They eat up millions of your hard-earned tax dollars. It's money that could be used to keep your child's school running." Plus, libraries are really old! "These institutions," Davlantes says, "date back to 1900 B.C." (Nothing says "outdated" like a B.C. birthdate.)

But if Illinois shutters its libraries, it won't be because they're not used. In fact, people check items out from Illinios' 799 public libraries 88 million times every year. One of the country's busiest libraries, the Harold Washington Library in downtown Chicago has 5,000 visitors a day. But Davlantes just isn't sure their activities are worthwhile. "We used an undercover camera to see how many people used the library and what they were doing," Davlantes reports. She counted 300 visitors, but "most of them were using the free Internet. The bookshelves? Not so much.""

Slate magazine


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 01:31 PM

"Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???"

       No! But MSNBC is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 02:05 PM

Rig, you're so predictable, your predictability is predictable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 03:21 PM

Hee, hee, hee!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 07:12 PM

Libraries don't pollute... Race cars do... Shut down NASCAR!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 11:40 PM

What do Fox News watchers care about pollution?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jul 10 - 08:03 AM

Noise pollution from MSNBC?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jul 10 - 08:44 AM

Yeah, mouser... FOXers don't care much about pollution or libraries because most of them are functionally illiterate...

One difference between MSNBC and FOX is that the folks at MSNBC don't yell at you like their FOX counterparts who purdy much stay in a highly aggitated vein poppin' mode... If it's true that the "medium is the message" then that's a major difference between the two... Not to mention that MSMBC tells the truth...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 04 Jul 10 - 01:57 PM

Then why not get rid of the written word altogether? We don't have to read - we have Fox news. We have text messaging. We have twitter.....

Yeah - them book things are so yesterday.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jul 10 - 11:35 PM

Yeah- books, intelligence, critical thinking, rationality, education all SOOOO passé


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 01:51 AM

So twentieth century.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: mousethief
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 03:22 AM

Yeah- books, intelligence, critical thinking, rationality, education all SOOOO passé

They would probably not say "passé" (it's too highfalutin') but "snooty." Why can't you people just be like us? We don't read books. We don't have intelligence or educatio, or think critically or rationally. Why should you? You just think you're better than we are. Snooty bastards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 06:44 AM

Dunno, but Samantha Fox may have Rabies


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 09:54 AM

Yeah, them books are for those tree-huggin' elitists...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 12:45 PM

I dunno - it takes trees to make books.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 12:52 PM

Hmmmmmmmm??? I kinda see yer point, Rigs... Maybe I've been wrong all these years about the rightie's motives??? Maybe they are just radical environmentalists in disguise???

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: mousethief
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 06:14 PM

That's why they want to shut down all the libraries. Save trees.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 04:12 PM

And the Democrats only want to dumb down libraries, but that will still waste trees.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 05:17 PM

Once again, you are confused, Rigs... It ain't the Dems that benefit from dumbing down...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 05:39 PM

Rig:

"It takes trees to make books..."

So ? What does this have to do with the fact that it was a ntorious right-wing outfit (Fox) that proposed improving budgets by eliminating libraries, one of the most atavistic backsliding porpositions to be foisted on the public since the birth of the Creative Anachronism SOciety, only more wrong-headed.

How can you justify this embrace of mass stupidity?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 05:55 PM

I can't, but the Democrats do--not that I think Republicans are any better...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 06:00 PM

I havin' a hard time here, Rigs, with yer argument that the Dems are out to close down the libraries to further dumb down the allready dumbed down masses... Perhaps you'd like to elaborate... Maybe even provide some evidence, pray tell... Too much to ask???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 06:23 PM

No, they'll leave the libraries open, but they'll stock them with propaganda, so they do more damage than if they were closed. It's kind of like getting ones news from the Huffington Post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 07:52 PM

"..., they'll leave the libraries open, but they'll stock them with propaganda,..."

Where DO you get these ideas, Riggo? Like Bobert said....Would you care to produce some evidence that they would do any such thing? Open-ended accusations like that are just throwing mud against a Democratic wall, and hoping some will stick.

Is the point to make **us** spend so much time disproving and responding to wild claims that we don't work on what we should? Are you THAT desparate to get Republicans 'back in power' that ANY sort of stupid BS is ok?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 08:09 PM

"Where DO you get these ideas, Riggo?"


            Off the mainstream media; all you have to do is to read between the lines to figure out what they're really saying. And look what they've done to public education!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 09:08 PM

We see, Rigs...

Hey ya'll, what ya' gotta do here is just wait for the news anchor to take a breath and then insert some mythology while he's doin' it and then call it "reading between the lines"...

But, Rigs... Man, geeze oh Pete... That ain't exactly readin'... It's called, ahhhhh, "inventing"... Look it up in any dictionary... It's in the "i" section... Shouldn't be all that hard to find...

BTW, I am concerned about your thinkerator... Might be time fir a tune up...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 10:51 PM

The libraries are probably the biggest bulwark AGAINST the erosion of public education, Rig.

Yeah, a tune up seems to be in order. You seem to have liberal individuals mixed up with sociopathic weirdoes. That's a different category altogether, except to the knee-jerk reactionary.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 10 - 10:59 PM

A public library should house both the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf. It shouldn't lie to children through omission.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jul 10 - 12:22 AM

Couldn't agree more. A very liberal point of view, I would say.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 07 Jul 10 - 08:16 AM

Libraries around here have been closed by the tax payers, and then reopened under corporate control paying minimum wages to staff. The result has been something resembling the corporate media. If a group of citizens don't like something, it is discarded in an effort to avoid conflict.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jul 10 - 08:36 AM

Can't argue with that, Rigs... Fortunately, libraries are still funded with tax payer money 'round these parts... Yeah, I'd hate to see them privatized... That could be a first step toward a complete manipulation on information...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 02:19 AM

I keep getting rightwing propaganda e-mails from an acquaintance. When they are particularly nonfactual, I do a "reply all" and attempt to refute the propaganda. He gets very angry when I disagree, especially when I told all his e-mail buddies that Obama was not a Muslim. I wonder why he keeps sending me this crap. This is what I got from him just now:
    This Coming Sunday --

    Set Your DVR for the Fox News channel at 9:00 PM Eastern. Maybe this is why the White House has been discounting FOX.
    Sounds like this could be history in the making someone may go down - either Obama or Fox News. It may be that Fox has been holding this information back due to the sensitivity of it and out of courtesy. But, Obama has taken on Fox and it appears they are ready to spill the ugly beans of truth about the background of this individual who has had an extremely radical past. This Sunday, Fox News is going to air a very important documentary about Barack Obama, Sunday night at 9P.M. Eastern.

    The report will go back to Obama's earlier days, showing even then his close ties to radical Marxist professors, friends, spiritual advisers, etc. It will also reveal details about his ties to Rev. Wright for 20+ years, i.e., how he was participating with this man and not for the reasons he stated.

    The report has uncovered more of Obama's radical past and we will see things that no one in the media is willing to put out there. It will be a segment to remember.
    Mark your calendar and pass this on to everyone you know: Sunday night, 8 PM CT; 9 PM ET.
    Democrat or Republican, this report will open your eyes to how YOUR country is being sold down the road to Totalitarian Socialism. If you care about the direction of our country, pass this notice on to everyone you know.


I've been traveling in Virginia the last couple weeks, and many of my motels had Fox News playing on the TV during breakfast. It's clear that Fox News isn't really news - it's right-wing propaganda. They put an anti-Obama "spin" on almost every national "news" item they report. Why do motels subject their patrons to such garbage?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:10 AM

When I see that, I ask them to turn it off. Who wants to start the day with angry, snarky people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 08:09 AM

FOX News should be charged under RICO statutes, along with the EPA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: bobad
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 10:19 AM

What astounds me is the number of americans who believe this crap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 11:15 AM

Most American news outlets constantly aid and abett a very common form of terrorism (USA-led pre-emptive wars, invasions, and occupation of other countries) by their ceaseless flow of false propaganda promoting it and justifying it. Fox is simply the worst of them, but they are virtually all guilty of it to some extent. Fox is kind of like the voice of Josef Goebbels, updated to the 21st century.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 11:49 AM

Wouldn't Goebbels have loved to have had a tool like that...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 01:24 PM

yes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 08:19 AM

I don't like Fox News and I think it's a propaganda forum for the GOP, but I don't think banning it would really help matters. The use of "terrorism" is too fashionable these days and I think it covers up the real issue, Fox News is being supported by ideologues in the GOP and is very one-sided in its reporting, often spreading falsehoods which can be "fact checked" easily. To ban the station from operating would by counter to the free speech clause in the Constitution.

The other side of the argument is: Are they yelling fire in a crowded theater?
I think that some of the editorializing that goes on with Fox News could be
held to account and much of it is on other alternative stations. Jon Stewart
skewers them from time to time with humor and has Bill O'Reilly as a guest
on his show.

No, there are real terrorists in the US, the offshoots of white supremacist groups
skinheads, the Nazi Party and certain fundamentalist religious organizations
that rival any Al Quaeda group in the Mid East. You only have to recall
Timothy McVeigh and the hazing of Matthew Shepherd to establish that point.
"Terrorism" is the new buzz word that has replaced "communism" to incite
violence. You heard it a lot under George W. Bush's administration.

What's needed is a response to Fox News and it's affiliates by:
1. Organizing a counter station that reflects Progressive values
2. Picketing Fox News and holding them to account for lies
3. Articles and broadcasts about their intransigence and falsehoods
4. Complain when health clubs or other institutions have it on
5. Drop the use of "terrorism" from your vocabulary. It's a catch-all
phrase that has lost its meaning through generalizations and overuse.
It is a propaganda term that is intended to manipulate a fear response,
a return to McCarthyism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 11:05 AM

Very well said, Stringsinger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 11:35 AM

Actually, FOX wouldn't have access to public airwaves (which it does) if it weren't for the FCC which, like the Supreme Court, is packed with partisan Republicans...

(But, Bobert, Fox News is cable...)

The 1000 other FOX affiliates aren't...

The original legislation way back in the early 1900s that governs broadcasting said that we all own the airwaves... In other words, you and I... If that's the case then no one should have the right to use them to spread propaganda...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 11:42 AM

No one??????? You'd have to shut down every news program and radio talk show in the country!

Look, I've got a better idea. You can't stop propaganda...it's inevitable...but you CAN stop propaganda YOU don't agree with, and here's how: We'll stage a "progressive" coup, appoint Bobert as Commander-in-Chief, and usher in a New Order under a State of Emergency. All rightwingers will be rounded up and shot. That will put an end to Fox News once and for all.

Sounds good, Bobert?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 09:49 AM

"Buy guns, lots of ammo and learn to shoot straight 'cause these rednecks mean to kill people who ain't like them...
they are out there preachin' violence

people feek empowered to think that violence is perfectly okay"


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 10:06 AM

Works for me, LH... The first thing I would do is create an "Open Mic" TV station and let people get up and offer their own ideas and perspectives... Do it just like other open mics... 15-20 minutes or so and if people like ya' then they vote with their computers so that their isp's are noted to prevent voting twice and if you get enough votes then you get "featured" just like in open mics and get 30-45 minutes to elaborate...

Kinda like letters to the editor but with no censorship...

You could have local, regional and national open mics that run in prime time...

Yup, that's where we are going to start...

Next thing we're gonna do is fire the entire Congress and appoint a new one from a lottery, kinda like jury duty and let it do what the current one clearly is not able to do...

Yup, things are going to be different...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 07:25 PM

B~


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