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Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?

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Subject: Is this Brazilian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 05:25 PM

Snagged this one off of ebay for 100 bucks, it was made by a luthier. does anyone know if it is Brazilian rosewood? I can never tell the difference. It needs some neck work, no big deal, going to give it to my kid

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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: C. Ham
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 05:30 PM

I seriously doubt that you're going to find a Brazilian rosewood guitar for $1000, let alone $100.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Melissa
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 05:35 PM

it looks like a comfortable guitar..how does it sound--aside from the crickled neck?


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: GUEST,oldude
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 05:36 PM

agreed but one never knows either, I know people can tell from the grain but I can't


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 05:40 PM

I don't 'think' so.... It looks as if it could be in the Rosewood family, but the color and grain don't look quite like **Brazilian**.
There's several substitutes...and... the 2009 date tells me more than anything, as supplies of Brazilian were restricted a number of years ago. Very few people have stocks... Martin has some, but you pay dearly.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 05:41 PM

beautiful actually, strings a bit high but I will take it to my friend that works on all the Martins and gibsons. is it Brazilian rosewood, I can't tell which is why I asked. One normally doesn't find a solid wood anything guitar for 100 bucks let alone one hand made either ... in any event it will make a great guitar for my kid. was interested in the type of rosewood. It looks a lot like my 69 martin and not like the indian rosewood on my alvarez .. but I am no expert


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 05:43 PM

Thanks bill it does look lighter than my Martin ... didn't pick up on that until you mentioned it. I can't tell from the inside


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 05:43 PM

*shrug* there's Honduras Rosewood, there's 'Morado'...which isn't even Rosewood....there's 'East Indian'...there's even a relative you can get on Florida these days....


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 05:48 PM

Well there is noone I know that has more knowledge then you Bill. I assume it is rosewood looking at the inside, maybe like you said one of the variations. Looks like a very well made instrument. Don't know about the neck, maybe just need a bridge adjustment. The neck is dovetailed so unless the angle is wrong it may just need the right setup ...


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 05:51 PM

It was built in 2009, so the chance of it being Brazilian is so slim it could be a supermodel. It looks a bit like mahogany stained to look like rosewood, but I don't know much--ignore me if Catspaw or somebody with more knowledge weighs in.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 05:54 PM

images of various


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 05:56 PM

And... more images of Rosewood than you ever wanted


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Melissa
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 06:02 PM

how does it smell, Dan?

isn't there a scent with rosewood?


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 06:05 PM

Rosewood has a distinctive odor when it's being cut, but very hard to detect in a finished piece....and I doubt Dan wants to saw off a piece to test.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Melissa
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 06:06 PM

ah..I was thinking he could maybe poke his nose in the soundhole. I guess it would be a little bit counterproductive to saw off a chunk..


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: The Vulgar Boatman
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 06:09 PM

Difficult to tell from photo but looks like palisander - indian rosewood - to me. Brazilian, which is probably more scarce than rocking-horse droppings these days, tends to be highly figured and contains strong light/dark contrasts. Tonally, palisander is very good indeed, being of the dalbergia family which produces fine tonewoods used in a wide range of instruments. Here endeth the useless information slot; enjoy the guitar...
KYBTTS


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 06:20 PM

thanks boatman, great photos bill
melissa i won't saw it hon ok :-) lol


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 06:37 PM

Well looking really really close Boatman nailed it I think. The inside grain pattern looks just like the grains on my Alvarez which I know is Indian Rosewood and my Martin which I know is Brazilian is different ... Thanks so much. The outside finish the maker used is not as dark as the Alvarez hence it threw me off ...


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Q
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 06:40 PM

Several excellent hardwoods are being used in guitar construction, three are Brazilian pao ferro, imbuia, and sapele.
The ribbon-grain of the back on your guitar suggests quarter sawn sapele from Africa, used in Taylor and other makes of guitars Check and see if it is veneered, it is in some).
Taylor 100 series (sort of their entry level) uses sapele in some; price range $800-$1200.

Whatever, your guitar looks much better than the real cheapies. Sometimes one makes a lucky buy on Ebay; I have, but not guitars which I never looked for.

I used to play around with different woods for models, etc; I know little or nothing about guitar wood selection, so the above is just a guess.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 06:50 PM

olddude, in 1979-80, I was having a custom guitar being made for me. When we were discussing the woods, Randy(the builder of the guitars), told me that Brazilian Rosewood was then, just made illegal to import, any more.....however he had some still left over in stock, which was okay, so that was it. I would check the age of manufacture of your guitar. You may have Indian Rosewood, which is a little browner than Brazilian, and a tad less dense. Start with the date, find a piece of Brazilian, and compare the two.

I looked close at your pics, and I couldn't tell for sure, but it looks as if it is Indian...which, by the way, isn't too shabby!

For what its worth, I have a Martin D-21, made of Ogalava Rosewood, which I just found out, was an extremely rare Martin. Ogalava, is going to have sorta wide streaks of a yellowish grain going through it.

Happy Discovering,
GfS


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 06:59 PM

Hey anyone looking for a custom made 12 string, this one is on ebay and looks like a steal to me. I have enough guitars but if this price holds holy cow someone will get a guitar

on ebay 12 string custom made


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Zen
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:07 PM

That definitely looks like Indian Rosewood to me.

Zen (wood scientist)


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:09 PM

Thanks Zen, it is rock solid, I think the guy whoever he is built one heck of a beautiful guitar myself. the workmanship is superb all the way around except for a high action ... I am no expert on necks but I think it just needs a proper setup, the lines don't look off to me but I could be wrong


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:14 PM

backshot
backside


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: michaelr
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 10:29 PM

The label reads:

THIS GUITAR IS MADE ADAMS CANADA
OF THE BEST BREEDS OF THE TREE

Why do I think it's not made in Canada?


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: GUEST,oldude
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 10:56 PM

Hey Mike
good eyes, looking at that 12 string currently on ebay .. it does read like a fake doesn't it. There is a fine lutnier in Ontario named Keith Adams but I am sure he doesn't put that label on it

good catch on the 12 string link


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 11:09 PM

Newly made Brazilian Rosewood guitars are very rare these days, and that's for sure, but a luthier friend of mine in Orillia made one last year...after sourcing enough Brazilian Rosewood to make at least one set of guitar back and sides...and it sounds very, very good. The wood is extremely dark in color, much darker than Indian Rosewood. Most of his guitars and other wooden instruments are darned good, but this is definitely the best one yet.

I think he values it at around $4,000 or something along that line.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 11:08 AM

And here is Ron's website:

Ron Belanger Guitars

Are they good instruments? You bet. And he makes a number of different acoustic instruments as well as guitars.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 11:28 AM

One of the problems of getting a 'new' B.R. guitar is that you may have problems if you need to travel with it. Many customs rules require that you be able to prove it was made before 'X' date, with something like a certificate showing the source of the wood or a standard makers date inside.
I don't know the details..(maybe some owners who travel can fill us in).. but I have heard of guitars being confiscated until documentation is produced.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Will Fly
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 11:30 AM

I'm having a steel-strung parlour (parlor to some of you) guitar made by my luthier friend and fellow band member Ian Chisholm - he who made my classical and tenor guitars and mandolin. This will be made from a stock of Brazilian rosewood which he's had for many years in his workshop. The wood is incredibly dark - almost black in places - and the previous parlour guitar he made from this stock sounded superb. (Went to a customer in Montreal last year). The guitar model is a Martin 00-28, of which he has an early 1900s (nylon-strung) specimen in his collection. So I'm looking forward to May 2010...


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 11:45 AM

If it's Brazilian rosewood from a reputable source, it should come with a certificate of provenance and authenticity. I've just bought a new Brazilian rosewood Avalon and it has this. It was made from some of the last rosewood stocks that they have and the price tag was Ł4500 although, as an ex-demo model, I got it for less. It is much more highly figured than the one you have, which looks to me like Indian Rosewood - an excellent material and worth far more than the money you paid for it. If it's rosewood and built in 2009 it will probably be fairy 'tight' and should mature nicely over the years.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 11:49 AM

Will, just read your post. The wood on my Avalon is actually quite light in colour, more brown than red, and very highly figured. I know a luthier who has collected a stock of BR over many years and there is a huge variation in colouring. When he showed me it he said: 'this is my pension'.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Will Fly
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 12:04 PM

That's very interesting. I haven't seen much of the Brazilian stuff, so assumed it was all as dark as Ian's stock. This is my classical guitar, which is Indian Rosewood. The raw Brazilian stock that I was shown was much darker than that - almost "tarry" in places.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 12:21 PM

The luthier friend said it was the steal of the century pro made from top to bottom. Needs just a little tweeking. sometimes we get lucky in life most of time not huh.

God I wish I had an Avalon, those are incredible guitars only played one in my life that a friend had ... Oh my gosh how beautiful


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 12:33 PM

Yes, the Indian Rosewood as shown by Will Fly, is indeed lighter, and browner than Brazilian Rosewood, which is more like a deep, dark, Cabernet wine color.

My Strat, which is made of one big ol' piece of Brazilian, has been appraised at around $8,500. Also, my Ogalava Rosewood D-21, which just got refinished, has a standing offer, from a Martin collector of $8,500!
This particular Ogalava Rosewood, with the streaks of yellowish strands in it, is only found in North America, in the Rio Grande valleys, in the American southwest. Ogalava Rosewood can also be found in other parts of the world, but this species, with the yllowish grains is only found in the Rio Grande valleys. North American Indians use to use it for making bowls, and other things.

Education is Never a Waste,
GfS


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 02:21 PM

While I am nowhwere near the expert Bill D. is on the subject, I am pretty well acquaited with tone woods and rosewoods from building hammered dulcimers and assorted other things as well. Now I ain't above calling something Bolivian Rosewood which is really Morado 'cause Morado doesn't sound as exotic.......but I gotta' ask..........

What the hell is "Ogalava Rosewood?" That's a new one on me. Sounds nice but is this really a Rosewood (Morado ain't)?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 03:24 PM

Looks to me like "Ogalava" is an error. The rosewood being referred to by GfS may be Palisander de Rio Grande, which comes under several names...

"The pre-eminent rosewood appreciated in the western world is D. nigra known as Rio, Bahia, Brazilian Rosewood, Palisander de Rio Grande, or Jacarandá"

The only thing that "Ogalava" sounds much like to me is "Oglala"...Crazy Horse's particular section of the Lakota (Souix) Indian nation.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 03:31 PM

Odd that you should mention one of our favorite subjects there Hawkster. With the weather we've been having, it behooves us to check in at the World's Most Dynamic Webcam.

Damn.......gives me a boner every time I go there! My gawd what progress!!!! Just completely stupefying!!!   WOW!!!!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 03:52 PM

"Ogalava Rosewood " is a real problem if it actually is wood from the American Southwest. It is WAY too common around the world to name woods after 'famous' woods, because ...umm... well, it sells better.

There is NO...I repeat...NONE...of genuine 'rosewood' grown in the USA, except for the aforementioned stuff, a variant of Indian Rosewood, that has been naturalized in Florida, and which has become almost a trashwood there. It seems to have produced some trees large enough for some luthiers to take an interest, but you can often find it laying by roadsides where it has been culled as invasive.

There is also NO Rosewood in Bolivia....

tree
and a guitar

There is ONE wood grown in the American southwest with a common name... "Arizona Rosewood"..Vauquelinia californica.
It is a beautiful wood indeed, but I doubt anyone has ever had a piece large enough to make a guitar from. It is full of voids and cracks when dried, and seldom get large enough to even do woodturning.

I have some pieces of wood flooring which some friends brought me after they had new floors installed, that they were told was 'rosewood'. It is pretty, hard and they like it, but it is NOT rosewood....and calling anything 'rosewood' ought to mean it is Dalbergia spp..... otherwise, it just a description.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 03:56 PM

There are species of Rosewood in Mexico, but none very near the US border.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 04:00 PM

Palisander de Rio Grande, or Jacarandá is a species of Dalbergia, Bill, according to Wickipedia. I presume it is found in the region of the Rio Grande (the Southwest)...? It may be what GfS was referring to as "Ogalava" or it may not be.


Spaw... yeah, pretty damn exciting, isn't it? The view today is typical in its ineffable grandeur. ;-)


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 04:19 PM

No...that term "Palisander de Rio Grande" used in Wikipedia, is only a term used to describe Dalbergia nigra, it has nothing to do with the river in Arizona..etc.

It may just mean "that nice wood I found near the **big river**"


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 04:26 PM

Okay, then...


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 04:56 PM

Spaw
I see the crazy but where is the horse?


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Q
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 05:01 PM

The website of Keith Adams:
Keith Adams

The Adams six-string starts at $5000.00
The basic guitar has East Indian rosewood back and sides, spruce or cedar soundboard. There is a waiting list.

Ask him if he ever built a 12-string for sale.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 05:44 PM

I don't know what sort of wood that guitar is made of, but it looks extremely toxic. At a glance, I'd say some deadly chemicals were accidentally mixed in with the lacquer. If you look very closely, that "herringbone" binding is actually little skulls and crossbones.

For both your own health and that of your kid, you should immediately send it to:

The Stringed Instrument Detoxification Center
2942 Walling Road
Milton, FL 32570

We will keep it under our care until we're sure the toxicity has dissipated to the point of no longer posing a danger, a process that usually takes ten or twelve years. This is an absolutely free service. All you have to do is pay shipping charges.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 05:53 PM

LOL ... will do BEE will DO


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 05:59 PM

I am gonna shut down the photos, thanks much folks for the great info. I learned a lot


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 06:02 PM

If it's rosewood, *I* don't mess with it. It has toxic stuff in it that I am violently allergic to..(Cocobolo is the worst)....I learned the hard way. I can make small things, if I wear protective gear and wash immediately, but if that Stringed Instrument Detoxification Center was real, I'd be begging them to work on some of the odd pieces of wood I have hidden away. **grump**

About 1/3 of folks seem to suffer....some work it all day long.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 09:12 PM

Fortunately Bill, I am not and I made this absolutely beautiful set of hammers out of Cocobolo. I still have a couple of HD frames in the basement and I have two lovely pieces of Cocobolo for end frames but I doubt I ever get around to finishing that one but you never know...........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 09:16 PM

Ooops........Sorry Bill because I also meant to thank you for that definitive description. I had never heard of the stuff and I figured it was in the same category as "Bolivian'........but I would love to know what wood they ARE calling Ogalava Rosewood.

So GfS....Any documentation from Martin?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 09:45 PM

This friend of mine, Bert Raintree, had some nice Braz layin' around in his workshop for maybe 20 years, and he didn't want to just burn it or use it for patching the roof, so instead he used it to make a fancy toilet seat and towel holders in the new bathroom he added on to the workshop last year. Real nice looking, and it's comfortable too. Bert doesn't know much about guitars, but he is a freakin' whiz at building sanitary facities of all kinds. I'd really like to see what he could do with a shitload of Koa...


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 09:57 PM

"Oga lava" seems to mean something in American Samoa...

"UA MAI IA O LEA UA MAI A GA E KASI VAAI O LEA E OGA LAVA LE MEA LE FAI O LEA LE ISI MEA E FAI O LEA OGA LAVA.."

It is, simply, a mis-hearing OR some guy's attempt to make up an exotic name. There are some really nice woods in Mexico...like in Yucatan... which someone might be trying.

Metopium brownei is highly toxic, until you get the bark off, then it is a very nice wood.

I just can't for the life of me think of instrument woods grown in the American southwest. (in California 'maybe')


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 10:03 PM

Hold on, folks, I'll get the info from the luthier.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 10:22 PM

It has a mahogany look to it I'm thinking.

Art


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 10:29 PM

Ok, I just called the luthier, it is cocobolo, also called Dalbergia nigra...and I WAS mispronouncing it. He said it was 'ovalaga', is an Indian name for it. I looked that up, and the only thing I found was, 'ovalaga' is a Russian word. He is sending me a link to Martin, which has it.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 10:47 PM

ah-ha! The stuff I can't use at all! (anyone want some?)Sure...makes sense...but it grows in Central America, and ummm.. Cocobolo is Dalbergia retusa.

ONLY the original Brazilian stuff is Dalbergia nigra.

wood is hard stuff to keep straight: that's why I joined The IWCS

I have met one of the world's foremost experts on Rosewood... Dr. Mihály Czakó. He was trying to determine if a tree from 'the other side of the mountain' was a different species...


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 11:01 PM

Mine the one I just bought not the 12 string which I only threw out if someone was interested is indeed Indian Rosewood. It is solid, the master luthier buddy (worked for Martin) said it was a pro made guitar and you guys did nail it thank you ... Indian Rosewood for sure solid spruce top also. Thank you


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Melissa
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 11:11 PM

What did he say about the neck, Dan?
Is it going to be a simple adjustment?


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 11:17 PM

simple setup neck is ok, just adjust the bridge and saddle


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: theleveller
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:15 AM

Here's some pics of my Brazilian rosewood Avalon

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhotos&albumID=1915273


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: theleveller
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:20 AM

or, rather, here:

my avalon


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 10:17 AM

leveller... that address looks like it is to the page where you edit pics... It doesn't show me anything.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: theleveller
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 10:30 AM

Thanks Bill - let's try this

my avalon


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 10:40 AM

Where is Spaw when you need him? ;-D Yeah, I know the rest of you people here are way too highbrow and serious to even consider soiling this intriguing discussion by alluding in any way to my friend Bert Raintree's imaginative use of vintage Rosewood.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 10:45 AM

My brother in his house put up plastic wood paneling on his wall but made the steps that go upstairs out of incredible aged no 1 cherry wood that was given to him. So he could walk on beautiful cherry and look at plastic wood on the wall ... LOL ... amazing


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 10:45 AM

Yes! Now that looks like Brazilian Rosewood... lovely guitar.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 10:47 AM

wow that guitar is beautiful ... wow


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 01:02 PM

Say, that Avalon is a sweet looking guitar.


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: theleveller
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 01:04 PM

Thanks folks - sounds as sweeet as it looks (but still not as good as my very battered old Lowden jumbo).


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 04:52 PM

YOU HAVE A LOWDEN JUMBO!!!

Now I have guitar envy for sure !!!   LOL


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 04:52 PM

I want a picture, those things were amazing amazing


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: theleveller
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 05:55 PM

The Lowden has been my only guitar since since I bought in in 1996 until I got the Avalon. It's I usually tune it down to CGCGCD so I got the Avalon to play in standard tuning rather than having to retune. It's got the most amazing tone. There are some pics here.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=116930419&albumId=419280


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: theleveller
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 06:02 PM

You can hear some not very good recordings of it here:

http://www.myspace.com/whipstafffolk


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Subject: RE: Is this Brazillian Rosewood guitar?
From: olddude
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 06:10 PM

Sounds absolutely wonderful, great job ... Love the music and the guitar ... very cool


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