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Lyr Req: Down Came the Blind (from Harry Champion

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Jim Dixon 10 Feb 11 - 07:33 AM
Charley Noble 10 Feb 11 - 08:06 AM
GUEST,Grishka 10 Feb 11 - 02:58 PM
GUEST,joolz 06 Oct 12 - 07:12 PM
GUEST 07 Oct 12 - 01:37 PM
Mick Pearce (MCP) 07 Oct 12 - 03:20 PM
GUEST,joolz 07 Oct 12 - 04:56 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Down Came the Blind (from Harry Champion
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Feb 11 - 07:33 AM

This was a tough one, especially verse 4, which is full of holes, and the rest is pretty uncertain, and doesn't make much sense as I have transcribed it. Help!

You can hear this at YouTube or at The Internet Archive.


DOWN CAME THE BLIND
Words and music by Fred J. Barnes and Robert P. Weston, 1909.
As recorded by Harry Champion

1. Not so long ago, in a big wash tub,
Mother made a puddin'. 'Twas a lovely bit of grub.
While mother stirred it with our yard broom,
Neighbours full of jealousy come looking in the room.
They yelled out, "Oh!" pointing with their thumbs,
"Half a ton of dough and not a pennyworth of plums!"

Down came the blind. Father took his slippers off,
Danced on the dough. Mother kept the nippers off.
Scouting about, a rolling pin to find,
We hadn't got a puddin' cloth so down came the blind.

2. Father had a pitch down at Mitcham Fair
Got a lot of cannonballs, covered 'em with hair.
"Roll or bowl or pitch," you could hear him cry.
Thinking they were coconuts, the people had a try.
One big bloke bowled up at them a treat,
Hit my sister Polly. She was holding up the sheet.

Down came the blind. He thought it hit a coconut.
Hit Polly Jane, knocked her bonnet off her broken nut.
Out came her brains, and a feller just behind
Said, "Lovely, what a milky one!" and down came the blind.

3. Sally Brown, a pickle maker, so they say,
Came to work on Monday in a wedding gown of grey.
"All married now?" all the work girls said.
"Sally, tell us all about the day that you were wed."
"Well," Sal said, "I stumbled along with John.
Then he blew the candle out." Said they, "Go on! Go on!"

"Down came the blind." "Sally, tell us all the rest of it!
Lor! In the dark, Sal! Tell us all the best of it!"
"Well, Sally said, "Till ... you can find,
Lovely to be in the dark, so down came the blind."

4. Now Private Macnavoe of the old Black Watch
Used to have to wear the kilt to prove that he was Scotch.
...
Sitting on the table chewing at a leg of pork,
Sergeant McGinty walking on his beat
Looked as though the ... demolishing his meat.

Down came the blind. The Scotsman didn't marry her
Sergeant ... the gov'nor's Yorkshire terrier
Went for his ... started swinging on behind.
The folks who ate the pudding ... down came the blind.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down Came the Blind (from Harry Champion
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Feb 11 - 08:06 AM

Jim-

Certainly must be a challenge. But, take heart, the mystery will be unraveled in ten years or so.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down Came the Blind (from Harry Champion
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 10 Feb 11 - 02:58 PM

The YouTube version has been heavily noise-reduced, which makes for nice music at the expense of intelligibility. The original recording may be much easier to understand.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down Came the Blind (from Harry Champion
From: GUEST,joolz
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 07:12 PM

I hear:
"Down came the blind." "Sally, tell us all the rest of it!
Lor! In the dark, Sal! Tell us all the best of it!"
"Well, Sally said, "Till a hubby you can find,
Don't wish to be in the dark, and down came the blind."

That 4th verse is impossible, my version sounds peculiar too, but I'm sure it's McNaboe which is a Scots name, and I'm pretty sure it's 'paper' not 'table' so I think the dog was eating the meat but the Highlander private stole it and the dog was starved and started biting a kilt and swinging on it?? Fork is the only thing I can think of to do with food that rhymes with pork, but if there's a breed of wire terrier that rhymes then that may be a better answer. The reference to not marrying 'her' may refer to a female in the missing line?

4. Now Private McNaboe of the old Black Watch
Used to have to wear the kilt to prove that he was Scotch.
......   cook had a nice wire fork (?)
Sitting on the paper chewing at a leg of pork,
Sergeant McGinty walking on his beat
Looked and saw the heilander demolishing his meat.

Down came the blind. The Scotsman didn't marry her
Starved it to death? ... the gov'nor's little terrier
Went for his kilt, started swinging on behind.
The ... ate the pudding ... but down came the blind.


If these aren't the words then maybe they can form the basis of a new song hahahaha!

cheerz

joolz


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down Came the Blind (from Harry Champion
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 01:37 PM

One of my grandad's songs...

Angelina Snuff was a fast young cat,
She used to wear some padding cos she wasn't very fat,
And here's a secret I must divulge-
She was very flat where ladies like to have a bulge.
One day when she was going to gad about
She couldn't find a bit of rag to pad her bodice out,
So down came the blind.
She thought she'd make a pad of it,
She was so flat
On her bosom she was glad of it-
"Oh what a bust!" said a fellow where she dined-
He tried to stick a rose in it
And down came the blind.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down Came the Blind (from Harry Champion
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 03:20 PM

Here's my hearing of it. I agree with most, but not all, of joolz' changes. I think it is table rather than paper, but it's close and I wouldn't say it was definitely table. I think in the last verse that it starts with the cook's name, which sounds like Baldon, but again I'm not sure. I'm fairly certain of quiet, but not of what's quiet. It could be just dog pronouned more like dawg, it could also be just talk, but I like dog better. (Or as joolz says it could be a type of dog, but I can't think what).
I'm also not sure of the word I've put in as suit; it sounds more like /xjut/ (xyute) where x is some sound!

The archive and youtube recordings linked by Jim above have a lot of annoying artifacts introduced by the noise removal. There's a better recording on youtube: Harry Champion - Down Came The Blind / Never Let your Braces Dangle (1910), which hasn't had the noise removed and even just using Audacity you can do a better noise removal than the other two copies (I've got Soundforge on my XP machine, but I can't be bothered booting it just for this; I think it wouldn't be possible to get much better than the Audacity removal).

I think there's still some work to do on the last verse.

Mick



DOWN CAME THE BLIND
(Words and music by Fred J. Barnes and Robert P. Weston, 1909)


1. Not so long ago, in a big wash tub,
Mother made a puddin'. 'Twas a lovely bit of grub.
While mother stirred it with our yard broom,
Neighbours full of jealousy come looking in the room.
They yelled out, "Oh!" pointing with their thumbs,
"Half a ton of dough and not a pennyworth of plums!"

Down came the blind. Father took his slippers off,
Danced on the dough. Mother sent the nippers off.
Scouting about, a rolling pin to find,
We hadn't got a puddin' cloth so down came the blind.

2. Father had a pitch down at Mitcham Fair
Got a lot of cannonballs, covered 'em with hair.
"Roll, bowl or pitch," you could hear him cry.
Thinking they were coconuts, the people had a try.
One big bloke bowled up at them a treat,
Hit my sister Polly. She was holding up the sheet.

Down came the blind. He thought he'd hit a coconut.
Hit Polly Jane, knocked her bonnet off her broken nut.
Out came her brains, and a feller just behind
Said, "Lummee, what a milky one!" and down came the blind.

3. Sally Brown, a pickle maker, so they say,
Came to work on Monday in a wedding gown of grey.
"Y'all married now?" all the work girls said.
"Sally, tell us all about the day that you were wed."
"Well," Sal said, "I stumbled along o' John.
Then he blew the candle out." Said they, "Go on! Go on!"

"Down came the blind." "Sally, tell us all the rest of it!
Gor! In the dark, Sal! Tell us all the best of it!"
"Well, Sally said, "Till a hubby you can find,
Don't wish to be in the dark, or down came the blind."

4. Now Private Macnaboe of the old Black Watch
Used to have to wear a kilt to prove that he was Scotch.
?Baldon? the cook she had a nice quiet ?dog? ?hawk? (sounds like torc/talk)
Sitting on the table chewing at a leg of pork,
Sergeant McGinty walking on his beat
Looked and saw the hielander demolishing his meat.

Down came the blind. The Scotsman didn't marry her
Started to dance, the gov'nor's little terrier
Went for his suit started swinging on behind.
The cook she went to pull him off but down came the blind.


Source: As recorded by Harry Champion


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down Came the Blind (from Harry Champion
From: GUEST,joolz
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 04:56 PM

Initially I balked when I read the 'Y'all' thinking of the US term, but then listened and realised it's not the US 'yall' but a cockney 'y all' with a glottal stop in the middle, a totally different thing :-).

'Gor' sounds alien, but the sound does seem harder than an 'l' in Lor. Could it be 'Cor' which is common? Then again, the 'cor' in 'cor bliimey' is a corruption of 'god' so maybe it was pronounced 'Gor' at one time. Probably talked myself into that as I typed LOL.

In the Sally bit I still think it's 'and' down came the blind, but it's sung fast so it sounds shorter.

In Scotland we say 'wear the kilt' but you are right, others would say 'wear a kilt' and that's what it is here.

Don't think there's a 'she' after 'cook'.

Positive the dog 'Went for his kilt' rather than suit. Both because it sounds like it and because you would swing if you were biting it, more so than a suit anyway.

Still listening, could it be that Macboe: "Called on the cook, had a nice quiet talk"?

I still think it sounds like 'paper' as you don't sit *on* a table? But if the above is correct then it must be 'table'.

Two people having a meal then dancing seems logical, so I started doubting 'didn't marry' as it sounded disconnected, so I think the Scotsman was getting merry (tipsy) which is why he danced.

As it was him dancing, the dog must have grabbed his kilt.

I may also have an explanation for the 'Sitting on the table' - the logical words would be 'Sitting AT the table chewing ON at a leg of pork', but if Champion possibly sang it with the capitalised words swapped, either deliberately or in error.

I'll leave in my thoughts above so you can see how I came to my conclusions in case you disagree, but I think the lyrics may be as follows:

1. Not so long ago, in a big wash tub,
Mother made a puddin'. 'Twas a lovely bit of grub.
While mother stirred it with our yard broom,
Neighbours full of jealousy come looking in the room.
They yelled out, "Oh!" pointing with their thumbs,
"Half a ton of dough and not a pennyworth of plums!"

Down came the blind. Father took his slippers off,
Danced on the dough. Mother sent the nippers off.
Scouting about, a rolling pin to find,
We hadn't got a puddin' cloth so down came the blind.

2. Father had a pitch down at Mitcham Fair
Got a lot of cannonballs, covered 'em with hair.
"Roll or bowl or pitch," you could hear him cry.
Thinking they were coconuts, the people had a try.
One big bloke bowled up at them a treat,
Hit my sister Polly. She was holding up the sheet.

Down came the blind. He thought he'd hit a coconut.
Hit Polly Jane, knocked her bonnet off her broken nut.
Out came her brains, and a feller just behind
Said, "Lummee, what a milky one!" and down came the blind.

3. Sally Brown, a pickle maker, so they say,
Came to work on Monday in a wedding gown of grey.
"Y'all married now?" all the work girls said.
"Sally, tell us all about the day that you were wed."
"Well," Sal said, "I stumbled along o' John.
Then he blew the candle out." Said they, "Go on! Go on!"

"Down came the blind." "Sally, tell us all the rest of it!
Gor! In the dark, Sal! Tell us all the best of it!"
"Well, Sally said, "Till a hubby you can find,
Don't wish to be in the dark, and down came the blind."

4. Now Private McNaboe of the old Black Watch
Used to have to wear a kilt to prove that he was Scotch.
Called on the cook, had a nice quiet talk
Sitting on the table chewing at a leg of pork,
Sergeant McGinty walking on his beat
Looked and saw the heilander demolishing his meat.

Down came the blind. The Scotsman's getting merrier
Started to dance, the gov'nor's little terrier
Went for his kilt started swinging on behind.
The cook she went to pull him off but down came the blind.


cheerz

joolz


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