BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion

Subject: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: SeanM
Date: 08 Sep 99 - 02:28 PM

Hi everyone!

Shameless plug here... This Thursday (9/9) thru Sunday (9/12) I'll be up at the Gold County fair in Auburn, CA... I'll be with "Smokey Knott and the Bollweevils", and we're playing along with several other acts varying from gold rush period folk, saloon dance hall girls, and the like...

If'n any of the 'catters make it up, stop by. I'm "Bubba", the big guy with the tinwhistle. We'll be playing in "Prosperity", a mock up of a goldrush town on the fairgrounds.

Hope to see some of you there! 'Specially those of you I missed at Railfair.

Thanks for the soapbox... Now to let this thread drop gracefully off the page...

M

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Winters Wages
Date: 08 Sep 99 - 04:09 PM

Sounds like fun..but BEWARE..those Dance Hall gals are danger...watch for trap doors a man and woman names Larry & Mary Ann, The Holigans of Jamestown, and two pretty Saloon gals names Barbara "AKA ANIE" and DENA. you would be much better off a going a Whaling then to mess with the likes of them. A bung of "Sydney Ducks" If I er' seen em matey! Wish I could be there to hear you guys perform. Regards, Winters Wages.

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Sep 99 - 04:44 PM

Darn it, Sean, you'll be 45 minutes from me and I don't think I can make it - I've got three musical events lined up this weekend already. Best of luck to you. We'll meet sometime.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: SeanM
Date: 08 Sep 99 - 07:38 PM

AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!!

Yet another missed Joe Meeting... I'm in Vallejo at the moment, but am heading out for last rehearsals... I'm already up here on the weekends for a renaissance fair at the Nut Tree, so just stayed on for the show.

I'll be moving soon... I'll make it out to Sac sometime...

M

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Sep 99 - 07:50 PM

Hey, Sean - are you free Sunday night so you could make it to the Dan Milner concert at my home in Fair Oaks?
-Joe Offer, Shamelessly promoting the Dan Milner concert - three, count 'em, three days this weekend in sunny Northern California-

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: SeanM
Date: 08 Sep 99 - 08:34 PM

Sadly, no... our last show on Sunday is tentatively scheduled for 7-7:30... I'm dependant on the group for transport (as well as lodgings), and it sounds like we may not be leaving Auburn until after 8...

Some day, though. The more I hear about the catter contingent up here, the more I want to move my butt up. Between the Starry Plough, O A & T reforming, plus all the house concerts... not to mention monthly shantey sings at the pier...

*Sigh*

Soon...

M

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Suffet
Date: 23 Jun 01 - 01:52 PM

This ancient thread looks like it has precisely the right title for the following notice, sompletely unreleated to the messages above. I am therefore bringing it back to life.


To be sung to the tune of "New York Town"
Original words (stanza 1) & music by Woody Guthrie © TRO-Ludlow 1961
New words (stanzas 2, 3, and 4) by Stephen L. Suffet © 2001
(with apologies to Woody)

I was standing down in New York town one day,
I was standing down in New York town one day,
I was standing down in New York town one day,
Just singing hey, hey, hey, hey.

Think I'll go to Woody's Birthday Bash,
Think I'll go to Woody's Birthday Bash,
Think I'll go to Woody's Birthday Bash,
'Cause five bucks ain't an awful lot of cash.

If you're down and out and you ain't got a dime,
If you're down and out and you ain't got a dime,
If you're down and out and you ain't got a dime,
Start saving now, 'cause you still got lots of time.

Unless your initials are maybe ADG,
Unless your initials are maybe ADG,
Unless your initials are maybe ADG,
Then let me know and I'll get you in for free!


Just a reminder about the upcoming...

WOODY GUTHRIE BIRTHDAY BASH ROUND ROBIN SONGFEST

Sunday, July 15, 2001
7:00 to 9:00 PM
CB's 313 Gallery
313 Bowery € New York City

Featuring:

Richard Fried
Joel Landy
Jessica Feinbloom
Carlos Rosello
Steve Suffet

Since we first announced this event, one of our featured performers, Erica Smith, had to drop out. But the show will go on. We will have several special guest artists , and if we see enough friendly faces in the audience we will call upon them -- which means you -- to sing along on the choruses and refrains. The opening number is going to be "Blowing Down That Old Dusty Road" and the closing will be "This Train Is Bound for Glory," both done ensemble style and both in the key of D major. So if you have a harmonica (D if you play straight harp, G if you play cross harp), a kazoo, or a Jew's harp, be sure to bring it so you can whip it out at the appropriate moment and play along.

$5 cover lets you stay all night and hear other acts as well. CB's 313 Gallery is a night club and not a church basement coffee house, so you are expected to buy drinks. And yes, the celebration is one day late. Woody was born in Okemah, Oklahoma, on July 14, 1912.

For info or directions: [phone].


--- Steve

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Tedham Porterhouse
Date: 23 Jun 01 - 02:05 PM

Steve,

Woody Guthrie didn't write the music to "New York Town." He borrowed the melody from "One Dime Blues," a song that Blind Lemon Jefferson recorded in the 1920s.

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Suffet
Date: 23 Jun 01 - 02:30 PM

Ted,

You are right, of course. But The Richmond Organization - Ludlow Music published copy says "Words and Music by Woody Guthrie," so that's how I listed the credit. Thanks for the input.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Tedham Porterhouse
Date: 23 Jun 01 - 02:39 PM

Steve,

A while back there was a thread in which some people were slamming Bob Dylan pretty hard for using earlier or traditional melodies on a lot of his songs.

Just shows to go you that Dylan had a great teacher.

I'll be about 350 miles from NYC in Vermont on the 15th. Wish I could be there.

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: InOBU
Date: 23 Jun 01 - 04:52 PM

Spot on the schedual for the evening?, hint hint hint...
Larry and http://sorchadorcha.com ...

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Jun 01 - 05:31 PM

Dylan got a VERY bad rap on that. A simple bit of research shows that Woody, the Weavers and quite a few others did exactly the same thing. It all boiled down to who was in favour with Sing Out at that moment......Bobby wasn't.

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Tedham Porterhouse
Date: 23 Jun 01 - 05:50 PM

Rick,

I think you're wrong about suggesting that Dylan fell out of favor with Sing Out because he used traditional melodies on some of his songs. Pete Seeger was always the guiding conscience of Sing Out and borrowing melodies is something that he's always advocated.

Dylan was championed by Sing Out in his first few years, the time that he was borrowing heavily from traditional sources. Dylan fell out of favor with Sing Out, or more specifically with Sing Out editor Irwin Silber, when he turned away from writing overtly topical songs.

That period didn't last too long though. About three years later, Dylan did a big interview with Happy Traum and John Cohen for Sing Out that I think is regarded as a milestone in Sing Out's history.

What I was referring to was the bad rap for using traditional melodies that Dylan was getting in a Mudcat thread a few months ago. There seemed to be a divide between the pro-Dylan Mudcatters and the anti-Dylan Mudcatters.

But you're absolutely right that the practice is wide-spread. I think Pete Seeger would say that it's part of the folk process.

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Suffet
Date: 24 Jun 01 - 08:54 AM

Greetings:

Pete Seeger has made use of lots of traditional melodies over the years, and he is certainly not opposed to other people doing the same. In fact I can tell several stories that involve Pete, me, and traditional folk tunes. Here's one that even happens to be true!

About three years ago I was sitting next to Pete at a particularly long meeting of the Clearwater New Boat Committee taking place at the Morris Yacht Club on City Island, NY. During a brief lull, Pete noticed I was about half asleep, so he said to me, "Steve, do you know that song 'The Wabash Cannon Ball'?"

I responded that of course I did. Whereupon Pete said, "Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a song about the Hudson River set to that beautiful old tune?"

Again I answered in the positive. At that point Pete handed me a piece of paper and said, "Write it."

By the end of the meeting I had a first draft which I showed to Pete. His response was, "Needs more work." So I took it home, revised it, and mailed it off to him. A few days it came back with a litany ofcomments, additions, deletions, and suggestions: "Trite!" "Good metaphor!" "Doesn't scan!" "Change this to 'Calls out to the People...'" "Nice imagery." "Good point mentioning the Native People." Etc., etc., etc.

So I made some of the changes Pete advised, and explained to him why I was keeping the rest as I originally had them. The next time I saw him, he gave me the "OK" sign with his thumb and forefinger and invited me to sing the song -- "Hudson River Dream" -- at a meeting of the New York Friends of Clearwater. I asked him to share to authorship credit, but he declined, expalining that I did most of the work and he merely provided the motivation.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 24 Jun 01 - 12:20 PM

Thanks tedham. Yeah, i followed all that stuff with "out of the loop" fascination. So often when people have a serious bone to pick with Dylan's celebrity, it starts with his 'tune stealing'. Still think that being (and staying) part of an inner circle, gave some folks a lot more leeway, though. Bob Gibson REALLY appeared to profit from it, but wasn't Grossman his manager in those days? Ha, ha.

Rick

Subject: Truly shameless self promotion
From: Suffet
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 09:09 PM

And now for some truly shameless self-promotion!

THE RETURN OF THE HOOTENANNY!

An evening of good old fashioned foot stomping folk music fun. Some traditional, some contemporary, some in-between. Featuring...

Joel Landy € Frank Woerner € Jessica Feinbloom € Steve Suffet

Sun Music Company
340 East 71st Street, between 1st & 2nd Avenues
On the snazzy Upper East Side of Manhattan
New York City

Saturday, December 1, 2001
8 PM
$10 admission

Come prepared to sing along, clap, whoop, holler, and shout. Spoons and tambourines welcome. Sorry, no dancing in the aisles permitted!


--- Steve

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Aug 01 - 08:54 PM

Have you guys added all this to the permanent thread about "What's Going On"?

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Suffet
Date: 16 Oct 01 - 09:42 PM

Greetings:

This message is a completely shameless self-promotion for two upcoming events in New York City. I will share the stage with others, which is a clever strategy on my part, as you can generally hear me for free, whether or not you want to!

So be there, if not for me then for Joel, Frank, Jessica, and Vicki. They're all really good folks. Also, expect unannounced guest artists at each event. That's another clever strategy on my part, as I get to hear them myself at no cost.

---- Steve

*********************************

First:

An evening of good old fashioned foot-stomping folk music fun. Some traditional, some contemporary, some in-between. Featuring...

Joel Landy
Frank Woerner
Jessica Feinbloom
Steve Suffet

Saturday, December 1, 2001
8 PM
Sun Music Company
340 East 71st Street, just west of 1st Avenue
Manhattan, NYC

Admission: $10.

Light refreshments available.

Come prepared to sing along, clap, whoop, holler, and shout. Tambourines and spoons welcome. Sorry, dancing in the aisles not permitted.

For information please call [phone]

*******************************

Second:

What to do on a cold winter night? Come and hear some music!

Vicki Rovere -- antiwar activist singer-songwriter
Steve Suffet -- a real folksinger

Vicki & Steve were there in the sixties, and they're still here in the aughts!

Saturday, January 5, 2002
8 PM
Peoples' Voice Cafe
at the Workmen's Circle
45 East 33rd Street, between Park & Madison Avenues
Manhattan, NYC

General admission: $10 or TDF voucher.
Peoples' Voice or Workmen's Circle members: $7.
Seniors or On Strike or Up Against the Machine: $5.

Delicious healthy snacks available.

For information please call [phone]

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: 53
Date: 16 Oct 01 - 09:54 PM

sounds neat.

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: GUEST,Janice in NJ
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 05:03 PM

Steve, are you going to do "Baby Let Me Buy You a Taco"?

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Suffet
Date: 26 Nov 01 - 11:28 PM

Refresh

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Suffet
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 06:36 AM

I'll be appearing at the New England Folk Festival (NEFFA) in Natick, Massachusetts, on Saturday, April 20, 2002. Stay tuned for details.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 06:57 AM

Me too! I'll be dancing with the Harrisville Morris Women and leading Animaterra Women's Chorus.
Suffet, what will you be up to?

Here's a NEFFA link.

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 07:10 AM

Oops. That would be Animaterra

Subject: RE: BS: (kinda) Shameless self promotion
From: Suffet
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 09:38 PM

NEFFA say that the schedule grid is tentative and should not be published at this time, so I cannot say the exact times or the rooms. If all goes as planned, I will be leading a Woody Guthrie Jam Session and I will be appearing with Valentine Doyle in a workshop called Songs of the Road.

I've done the Woody Guthrie Jam Session several times before, most recently at Ed Fest - Fall Fling in New York City this past November. I strongly encourage anyone attending to bring voices, instruments, and songs to share. Back in November we had Steve Mayer (of Water Sign) joining in with his fiddle on many numbers, and several other people brought guitars or banjos. We had a really delightful time. And when I ran this same workshop at the Peoples' Music Network Winter Gathering in Hartford, CT, in January 2001, Pete Seeger sat in for the first 30 minutes. God only knows what will happen this time!

---- Steve