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Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC [2011]

Arthur_itus 29 Oct 11 - 10:56 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 Oct 11 - 11:14 AM
Jean(eanjay) 29 Oct 11 - 11:28 AM
bill\sables 29 Oct 11 - 11:48 AM
Bernard 29 Oct 11 - 12:00 PM
alanabit 29 Oct 11 - 01:10 PM
Girl Friday 29 Oct 11 - 01:49 PM
GUEST,Eliza 30 Oct 11 - 05:41 AM
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Richard Bridge 30 Oct 11 - 07:10 AM
Steve Parkes 30 Oct 11 - 07:19 AM
fat B****rd 30 Oct 11 - 08:21 AM
Fiolar 30 Oct 11 - 08:27 AM
GUEST,Treacle Bolly 30 Oct 11 - 10:27 AM
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bradfordian 30 Oct 11 - 12:32 PM
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GUEST,Felix Titling 01 Oct 12 - 04:34 PM
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Subject: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 10:56 AM

Great man, did an aweful lot of good and a great DJ in his time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15507374

RIP The man who tried to fix it for many many people.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 11:14 AM

Oh No!

Or maybe Oh-oh-oh-oh No!

Listening to Tony Blackbutrn on Pick of the Pops earlier today and realising what a huge difference DJs made to my generation. JS was one of the best and most influential.

RIP Jim.

DtG


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 11:28 AM

I was really sorry when I heard this sad news; an interesting person who did a lot of charitable work and an important figure to those of us who live in Yorkshire :) He will never be forgotten.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: bill\sables
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 11:48 AM

I worked with Sir Jimmy on many occasions when I was with Yorkshire Television and always found him a most unassuming man. He never forgot his roots and was always ready to give a helping hand to those who needed it. He will be very much missed.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Bernard
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 12:00 PM

'Only the good die young'... not necessarily... sometimes the really good have to hang on until their work is done.

RIP Jimmy.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: alanabit
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 01:10 PM

Sorry to see him go. He certainly made something of his life though.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Girl Friday
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 01:49 PM

Top Of The Pops Pick Of The Pops, Saville's Travels, The Under The Bedclothes club on Luxembourg, Jim'll Fix It. This man was so much part of my youth. Not to mention his work with the disabled. I met him several times when I was a member of a club for disabled young people.

We used to go a Christmas Party at The Finsbury Park Empire, hosted by Jim, with live bands, often "The Sweet" would be playing.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 05:41 AM

He was indeed a wonderful person, but I always had the impression he was rather lonely and a bit 'different' in some way from other people. Perhaps he decided to dedicate his life to trying to improve the lot of his fellow human beings as an antidote to the inner sadness. Just a feeling I had, no evidence for it!


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 06:22 AM

Very sad.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 07:10 AM

I remember the Teen and Twenty Disc Club with affection.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 07:19 AM

Well now, can you really imagine Jim resting in peace?!


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: fat B****rd
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 08:21 AM

RIP Sir Jimmy


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Fiolar
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 08:27 AM

RIP Jimmy. Will be missed.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Treacle Bolly
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 10:27 AM

A real memory test - can any former TTDC members recall Elvis's membership number. Was it 11321 ?


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Don Wise
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 12:00 PM

Jim has finally fixed it..............


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: bradfordian
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 12:32 PM

T.T.D.C member(lapsed) Radio Luxenbourg, Top of the Pops, Jimmy's hospital (Leeds). Did he ever light that big fat cigar?
Thanks Jimmy, these have been wonderful decades listening to you over the airwaves.
R.I.P.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 12:37 PM

RIP, of course. But when I was a kid watching him on TV, I found him a bit scary...


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Emberto Uco
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 12:57 PM

"when I was a kid watching him on TV, I found him a bit scary..."

and google provides many alarming rumours and bizarre allegations about the covered up private life activities
of this 'great man' and his dodgier show biz mates and powerful 'establishment' associates
as to why that might be so...

For the sake of childhood memories I hope none of it is true...



RIP Sir Jim you wily old enigma...


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: nager
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 04:38 PM

I met him on occasions at Stoke Mandeville Hospital when I lived and worked nearby at Aylesbury in Bucks, back in the 1970s. Wonderful man who did a lot of great work for the community. RIP Jimmy.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Brian May
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 05:29 PM

My wife knew Jimmy when he was at the height of his fame. He used to go to the club she was managing in York., he was wonderful with all the staff, generous, considerate and down to earth.

She says he was an absolute gentleman at all times, even running her home in the early hours to York and having tea and biscuits with her mum and her before driving on to Scarborough to see 'the Duchess'.

The world is a dimmer place without him in it.

RIP Sir Jimmy, I wish I'd a memory like that too. Never heard anything bad about him - I'm glad about that.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: stallion
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 04:19 AM

Jimmy used to bring his Mum, the Duchess, to St Josephs Church Newby,Scarborough, and lean against a pillar at the back of Church throughout the Mass, the next one to the one I was leaning against! (for a quick exit at the end!)He always stuck a fiver in the plate, made my jaw drop, that was equivelant to twenty five pints of beer back then! I don't think he was lonely he was a friendly guy who used his time and wealth to ease the suffering of his fellow people and probably regarded the whole population as friends but I think he had a small cadre of mates, they new who they were. Some of the stories maybe half true but that doesn't detract from his philanthropic work, largely unsung and unpublicised. I get hung up with Mega Rich people who announce to the world they are going to use some of their money to find a cure for something by starting a Joe Fat Cat Foundation. Jimmy wasn't one of those he just went about his business of making the lives of dissadvantaged people easier RIP Jimmy and fond memories


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Bugsy
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 04:44 AM

"So long Guys and Gals"

R.I.P Jimmy

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: vectis
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 07:32 AM

When my elderly Mum was having her cateracts done in Stoke Mandeville Hospital she asked if he would visit her. Not only did he go to see her but gave her a certificate to say they had had a five minute affair, which she treasured to the day she died.

A lovely chap.

Bye Bye Jim and thanks for spreading a little happiness here and there.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Musket
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 09:12 AM

He came into our pit canteen one day as part of a fund raising effort with the union for a proposed hospice.

He was wearing a gold track suit with a sequin cape in silver, (his old wrestling cape) and the usual gold dripping from his body, necklaces, rings etc. Oh, and the most amazing platform Doc Marts in shiny purple and gold motifs.

We were either in overalls or jeans / T shirts whatever.

We were pissing ourselves laughing.

He asked those on the "dirty" tables, (overalls only,) what they were wearing. Answer - Our work clothes.

He pointed to himself and said "My work clothes."

"Mind you," he said. "I wear the buggers all the time."

RIP


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 09:20 AM

He was a big part of my youth too, I remember seeing him on Thank your Lucky Stars when I was little I was so impressed by this zany character. RIP Jimmy you will be missed.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: jacqui.c
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 10:04 AM

RIP Jim - sad to see you go but the good that you did will live on.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Martin
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 03:16 PM

The real Jimmy Savile to be exposed in a television documentary this Thursday evening. Full story in link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19788721


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 03:42 PM

I'd heard rumours about him, many years ago, but nothing was ever proved. be interesting to see what this throws up.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Felix Titling
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 04:34 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcFE7HEgX3g


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 04:18 AM

Is an Obit thread really the place to link to accusations made about a man who can no longer defend himself?
Maybe this thread should be closed, and anyone wishing to post accusations could open a BS thread.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Martin
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 04:22 AM

Very sad that he has joined the group of Jonathan King, Pete Townsend and Gary Glitter


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 04:38 AM

No he hasn't.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Musket
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 04:42 AM

Pete Townsend?

I had no idea Saville could play a guitar? I thought his rings were too big and heavy.

The allegations against Townsend were found to be a mistake. He was naive in how he conducted the research for the charitable foundation he was working with, but misinterpretation and an apology is no reason to perpetuate myth.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 04:46 AM

It's Townshend.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 04:47 AM

If you want to blacken someone's name, at least learn to spell it correctly.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 04:51 AM

The 60s and 70s (probably more the 70s) were a very permissive and promiscuous time. It was also a time when young men with money, fame and status were able to pretty much indulge any desire or whim they wished with little or no fear of the consequences. Sometimes the people they used to fulfill their desires and urges were consenting (albeit often rather stupid) adults and sometimes (possibly not that often, but sometimes) they were not.

We've heard a lot in the last few years about priests abusing young people in order to slake their own urges because, in a similar way, they believed they would never be brought to account. There have been some attempts at defending them along the lines of 'Well, it was a different time' but, quite correctly, no right-thinking person would be likely to accept that defence nowadays.

Something similar could be said about people (men especially) in showbusiness. They knew they were in a position of power and they were surrounded by people who would facilitate their wishes and desires in order to maintain favour with them - or in order to maintain their own positions of advantage. This goes for TV, pop music, theatre, cinema and almost every form of mass entertainment.

If we're going after priests for exploiting and abusing young people in the past (quite rightly) shouldn't we also be going after rock stars, movie stars, TV celebrities, casting directors and so on as well? And what does it say if we're not?


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Megan L
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 05:12 AM

It is very easy to say someone did something when they are no longer alive to call you a liar.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 05:38 AM

That's quite true, of course, but to take that argument to it's logical conclusion we'd never speak ill of anyone after their death.

I think Jimmy Saville is only part of the issue. He may or may not have been an abuser or he may have just been eccentric and an extrovert. There's good and bad in most people and whichever aspect prevails at any time depends on a number of factors - not least of which is the likelihood (or not) of being brought to account for your actions. Clearly a lot of people feel very well-disposed to him on account of his charity work.

I think a great many areas of the arts and entertainment are largely populated by people who feel they live by a different set of standards to the 'little' people beyond their own world. I think the theatre, for instance, is very like that and I suspect that cinema and TV are the same.

I just wonder if we're in a period now when people who thought in the 60s and 70s that there were no consequences to their actions (particularly where young women are involved) are going to find that they were mistaken. And it would be preferable, obviously, that people who are still alive were able to defend themselves - if they can.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Felix Titling
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 05:46 AM

Maybe not so easy when that person was a TV celebrity (or priest, or teacher) who used their position and infuence to sexually abuse you as a kid.

Still, what else is Mudcat here for? One of the remits on Google says Folklore Collection, which is precisely what we have here. Even when I was a kid Savile's sexual preferences were the subject of (detailed) playground speculation. With this in mind, here's a choice piece of such Savilelore which is doubly interesting as folklore as many people actually claim to remember the dialogue from broadcast. Warning: Do not read if easily offended.

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/rogerb/jokes/HIGNFY.txt


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Martin
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 06:17 AM

I imagine opinions will change once the documentary goes on air on television on Thursday evening.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: selby
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 06:47 AM

There was in one of the papers yesterday where apparently he watched a sex act of a rock star (who is still alive) with a young girl. This is where I struggle if he did and now we are bringing to account these people why are we avoiding the rock star whom he watched? I can't remember who said it or in what context but surly in a case concerning sexually predators if there is evidence Publish and be dammed.
Keith


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 07:00 AM

"It is very easy to say someone did something when they are no longer alive to call you a liar."

It's actually very difficult for adults who were abused as children to ever come forward to tell the truth. Trauma does that to you. The death of an abuser often frees a victim emotionally from the remaining fear of the assailant.

In any event, evidently accusations against Saville were filmed by Newsnight from now middle-aged women who attended a school for vulnerable girls, all claiming to have been abused by Saville, both when he visited the school and when he took them to the BBC to 'reward' them. The BBC shelved the Newsnight programme and never passed on the materials to police. I'm happy to see these ugly revelations come to light. So many people in positions of power have felt themselves to be untouchable. Happily, that is increasingly less so.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 07:02 AM

ermmmmm forgive my ignorance here but WHY NOW?... Why wait until he is unable to answer for himself before raising issues? Do I smell the seeking of compensation here... greed once again rearing its ugly head to get its hands on some of the legacy left by Sir Jimmy? Time will tell I guess.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 07:02 AM

EDIT: accusations against Saville were filmed by Newsnight - five years ago -


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 07:14 AM

I would take an educated guess and expect to be right, that 60% of all ,pop stars and DJ's from the 60's up to the earl 70's took advantage of underage fans and the fans in 99.9% of the cases were very willing, whether they were aware of their ages or not. but a dead man can't defend himself so why make Jimmy a scapegoat. There will be a lot of ageing people in the music world now fearing all kinds of muck getting raked up!


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 07:30 AM

""There will be a lot of ageing people in the music world now fearing all kinds of muck getting raked up!""

But not until they are dead, when their money may be accessed with less effort and little chance of rebuttal of the accusations.

There's a peculiar smell about this lynching party, and I hope they will produce irrefutable evidence, preferrably before the hanging.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 07:36 AM

The thing about hanging dead men is they don't feel a thing.

Was it alright for him to be a child molester cos he raised 40 odd million quid for charity ?

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: GUEST,Felix Titling
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 07:45 AM

the fans in 99.9% of the cases were very willing,

The willingness of a victim is not an issue in cases of the sexual abuse of minors. This is the nature of The Age of Consent. In the USA I believe the term used in such cases is Statutory Rape.

greed once again rearing its ugly head to get its hands on some of the legacy left by Sir Jimmy?

Nice to see you nailing your colours firmly to the mast there, Georgiansilver.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 07:49 AM

Interesting how the people defending Saville have totally ignored about the only sensible remarks made on this thread, those by CS. It's the same old story - the victims are not listened to and vilified ('they're only after his money') and treated like suspects themselves, whilst everyone jumps to the defence of the alleged abuser. And it just keeps happening.

As the reports in the papers say, Saville's sexual abuse of young girls was one of the worst kept secrets in showbiz. Shame on his colleagues who didn't blow the whistle at the time.


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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile UK
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 07:51 AM

Crossed posted with Sir Felix who also has it spot on. Dave is probably right too - when Saville was alive there were a lot of people with a vested interest in not pissing on the applecart.


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