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Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC [2011]

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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 07:21 AM

The Savile Inquiry Report is here - no cover up then ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20782889


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: CJB
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 07:09 PM

Worse and worse ...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-probe-police-investigate-1481291

Dirty Den ... ?


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 04:09 PM

secret societies are not good,that includes freemasons


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 07:39 PM

I don't think the "bad old days" were always like you describe. When I was about 10-11, around 1960, in New Zealand, I went to yoga classes led by a guy who was also a scoutmaster and a sunday school teacher. We kids had pretty good idea what his interest in leading all those activities was, confirmed by him getting a two-year prison stretch for indecent assault on a child. I don't know what the incident that got him locked up was, but the stuff we could observe (like peering inside kids' shorts while adjusting their postures in headstands) was more comical than threatening. It was no big unspeakable secret, anyway.

He was in fact a very good yoga teacher.


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 02:07 PM

I think - at least in the past - there was some kind of assumption that "kids bounce back" when confronted with traumatic experiences. I recall one family member telling me so, and my reply being "Yeah, kids bounce back.. as broken adults" which is pretty much true for a number of my own family members.

That said, I think it must also be said that not ALL children are traumatised by challenging events in their lives, some do indeed bounce back. But it all depends upon a complex combination of native or inherited resilience (as opposed to native lack of same), the psychological severity of the experience (while wrong, not all forms of what we would consider 'abuse' are necessarily also 'traumatic') and the strength of childhood environmental supports - physical, emotional & psychological (or indeed lack of them).

In any case, in the bad old days when adults didn't like to think about such things (or indeed the good old days to some, who like to imagine that Enid Blyton idylls were universal for all children until child abuse was invented sometime during the 1980's), children were forced to either shut-up and put-up and hopefully bounce back, or be branded as disgusting fantasists and trouble makers. Personally, I'm exceedingly glad that things are changing and abuse is no longer too taboo to talk about. Still, with the ongoing Saville & co revelations, and indeed the exposure of the Northern grooming gangs epidemic, it's a huge reminder of how deep such taboos continue to be.


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: CJB
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 12:10 PM

JS was hiding in 'plain siight' - he was so powerful no-one dared do anything about what he was doing.

http://psalm79.com/2012/10/29/hiding-in-plain-sight/


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 08:26 AM

The worst thing was a few of the teachers who the girls confided in would advise them to concentrate on their future careers lives and forget all about whatever happened at school. I can only imagine that the kids involved with JS possibly were advised something similar.


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 03:13 AM

It is hard to believe that JS got away with it for so long but it can. I can remember something similar in my own school in the late 60s early 70s two teachers were up to no good they called it 'after school tuition' we knew it was going on but it was put down to playground rumours or a misunderstanding. Then in the late 90s one of the teachers had the whistle blown on him concerning a 14 year who wasn't so afraid to come forward about it and finally was brought to book about it and he was charged thankfully but it took all that time of not being listened to so I can see unfortunately how it could have happened.


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: CJB
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 12:30 PM

Worse and worse ...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-probe-police-investigate-1481291


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 07:31 AM

Al has a good point when he asks what vulnerable children have other than systems in place. I would add vulnerable adults to that list of course and from the work I do these days I would say the government paper No Secrets went a long way in getting statutory agencies to get a grip.   However, I don't think it is as straight forward as personal freedom versus Nanny state.

It is a mental leap too far to suggest promoting personal freedom is a factor in abuse. I inspect hospitals and residential care where safeguarding sits comfortably with promoting and respecting personal freedom and choice.   When it fails our published reports seem to have a thread of indifference by key staff and lack of supervision. I couldn't conclude that was due to right wing dogma and lack of regulation. Regulation finds existing failures, and those failures are hardly down to the political philosophy of the perpetrators. ..


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: Penny S.
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 06:29 AM

I suppose it is possible that others have been identified but not reported because no-one has heard of them.

Penny


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 12:29 PM

Statistically, it does seem odd that a linked series of police investigations throw up a set of names of various people who all happen to be well known to me(by name, if not in person). Would it not be more likely the the majority of them should be unfamiliar? As I mentioned earlier in this thread, in the middle ages and up to what one might term "the age of reason" peopel habitually claimed to have had sex with the devil, or with angels. In the 1950's and early 60's, with the spread of science fiction, people frequently claimed to have had sex with aliens. Now, all these 400 alleged victims may well have been coerced into having sex with famous celebrities, but it would be a good idea to check all the claims pretty carefully.


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 12:14 PM

I feel, with all these allegations about various elderly celebs surfacing, that one must be exceptionally aware of the phenomenon of *false memory syndrome*. Remember when there were some unsavoury allegations of parents abusing children some years ago, recollected from adulthood; and suddenly hundreds of people were remembering things their papas had done to them while bathing them when small, which were admitted upon investigation to have been more imaginative than factual, triggered off by these other tales they had been reading inducing 'recollections' of what had never actually happened.

So, a possibility I feel in this present thing. Allegations have been made about elderly, or recently dead, famous men; and perhaps some of the people reading them are saying to themselves, "Why, I met the famous Sir Whatname Who when he visited all those years ago when I was 10. And, goodness me, now I think of it, wasn't he perhaps a bit familiar? Should I blow the whistle about it after all this time, I wonder?"

Not saying this is what is happening in all these cases ~~ or even in any of them. But I do feel it a possibility that should be kept in mind.

~M~


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 11:36 AM

I suppose actually the suspicion arises because right wing factions are very hot on personal freedom and dismiss security checks, like the policeman doing his job at Downing Street, as over zealous political correctness.

An really what other protection do children in care have, against predators.


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 07:34 AM

""It just seems from your post that supporters of Conservative governments must all be paedophiles?""

When it comes to these lefties, they just have a crying need to find reasons for hating anyone who thinks, or votes, in a way that they don't like.

It's just another form of religious fundamentalism.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 06:24 AM

Im sure the old bitch had many friends. What are you trying to say?

It just seems from your post that supporters of Conservative governments must all be paedophiles?


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 07:44 PM

And another of Thatcher's friends:

Eddy Shah


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: CJB
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 03:32 PM

I think that this thread should be restarted. After all it started out lauding JS, and then suddenly changed into damning him. We were all fooled by JS. Or if not - like 'ChildLine' promoter Esther Rantzen - we didn't say anything.

Anyway here's the latest goss.:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/pr-guru-max-clifford-arrested-on-suspicion-of-sexual-offences-8389889.html

And for those Googling for more - this is not the only website to name names:

http://www.ccs-rochford.co.uk/spivey/?p=7486


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: Musket
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 11:45 AM

I had a BBC contract to present six radio shows as a stand in for a staff presenter when he was in hospital back in the early '80s. How many years before my file gets opened?

After all, arrests seem to be based on BBC contracts for men.... if Hall, and now we hear Max Clifford, added to harassment charges against Dave Lee Travis and others, are all dodgy, then we risk losing the impact of deterring wicked crimes by branding far too many people in the Saville league.


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 12:35 AM

Stuart Hall now....

makes you wonder about that Lord Reith.....


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: Musket
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 10:54 AM

Yes Lizzie. There are a lot of people knocked over and killed by buses, and there are a lot of black people employed by bus companies.

zzzzzzzzzzz

Out of interest, a very good friend of mine who is a member of his local lodge once said, rather succinctly, that it is not a secret society but a society of people who can keep secrets. If anybody wants to know those secrets, they either risk having their hearts ripped from their bodies, or, alternatively, risk the hardship of a journey to their local library where you can borrow books with all their pseudo religious nonsense laid out for all to see.

Me? I'd possibly have a fit of the giggles when they ask you to roll up your trouser leg, so when I was approached, I politely declined. Although meeting up with mates for a drink and occasional meal is my idea of a good time. It's just the ritual balls before going through to the bar that would put me off. Also, I suspect most of my new friends would be the same boorish lot who make me think twice before taking up golf....


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 07:25 AM

Lizzie - why not sound off about something you know something about?

Oh, that's right, you can't because there isn't.


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 06:46 AM

Well, there are a lot of Freemasons in the police force..or...there used to be...

Lizze
Who once went to a Freemasons Dinner evening, as her friend's father was the head of the Lodge that year...I thought they were all weird, including her Dad..

Secret Societies hide Secrets - it ain't rocket science...


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: Musket
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 06:40 AM

I wondered how long it would take for freemasonry to be in the frame. Why not add stamp collectors, train spotters and members of choral societies?

After all, none of them fit the bill where advertisers in newspapers are concerned when it comes to saying who is normal / likely to buy our product. I mentioned a while ago at a meeting that I had never watched Eastenders or Coronation St. It got back to me later that after I left, someone said I must be a bit strange...

Saville had things to answer for. He was typical sadly, of many people. The difference was access, not intent. Looking for systems letting people down which allowed him (and others) access is laudable, but stereotyping people as not being what newspapers consider "normal" is a slippery slope....


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: mayomick
Date: 04 Dec 12 - 07:51 AM

You are entitled to feel proud, Fossil . The shame should go where it belongs.


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: Fossil
Date: 03 Dec 12 - 06:30 PM

One of the more "interesting" (in the sense of thank-God-that's-over-now let's-go-for-a-pint)days was spent delivering a large, photgenic cheque for 1,000 UK pounds to Jimmy Savile at the Stoke Mandeville Hospital. By microlight aircraft. With me wearing a Santa suit and woolly beard. The cheque was the proceeds of a fund-raiser by the Southern Hang Gliding Club, in (I think, 1977)

It was a freezing cold day with snow on the ground and a turbulent northeasterly wind. My pilot was the famous Keith Reynolds, then British Hang-gliding league champion. The idea was to fly into the football field at the hospital and deliver the cheque in front of the waiting media.

Neither of us had seen the field until we arrived over it at about 1,000 feet. It was a daunting proposition. Not only was it covered in snow, but the goalposts were in situ, and a high railway embankment ran along one side of it and a large warehouse occupied one other side. It would be like landing at the bottom of a bucket.

I well remember flying up a road between two large buildings at below rooftop height. I remember Keith doing a heavily-banked turn some five feet above a car roof. I remember a high fence with barbed wire on the top of it passing some two feet below the microlight's wheels, then the engine noise dying away as we floated in to a perfect landing in the snow, diagonally between the goalposts.

And I remember handing the cheque to J.S. and then getting a tour of the hospital's spinal injuries facility - one of the most depressing places I have ever seen.

Pity that these memories, which I have always felt slightly proud of, should now be tarnished by the subsequent revelations of what J.S. was really like and what he was up to. I never saw him again, thank goodness.


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Subject: RE: 2011 Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC
From: CJB
Date: 03 Dec 12 - 09:18 AM

Savile was not the only 'vile' one - the police are looking at three angles:

1/ Entirely Savile

2/ Savile and others

3/ Others

The cult of Freemasons is rumoured / alleged to be behind the numerous apparent cover-ups by the Police and other authorities.

The latest news is that the case files to the (alleged) male rape at Buck. Pal. by someone connected with the RF has just been re-opened.

And whilst you guys in the States think that this is a Brit. issue (or more likely pan-Europe), then watch this 'banned' Discovery (USA) / Channel 4 (UK) documentary on YouTube. This has only recently been tracked down in surviving clips of video-tape format. It has been pieced together as best as can be salvaged. IT IS HORRIFYING in its implications. It was pulled at the last minute. It has never been aired.

It has now been well-mirrored on YouTube to ensure maximum publicity.

"Conspiracy of Silence" (Banned Discovery Channel Documentary)

This stuff goes right to the heart and to the top (and I do mean TOP) of the respective UK and USA Governments and Society of the late 20th c. if not into the 21st c.

CJB


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 12 - 04:32 AM

Yes.. his £4,300,000 estate has been frozen in anticipation of the claims by his victims. I did predict this in an earlier post. The problem the powers that be have now is deciding who is telling the truth and who is telling lies..... and some will if they think they can get compensation. The saga goes on..but he has nothing to lose now eh?


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 08:48 PM

Savile's 4 million estate frozen by the bank.

This must be the first time I have started a thread that got to over 500. Sad that he turns out to be a very nasty person. Maybe that's why this thread has so many posts. Good old Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: greg stephens
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 06:13 PM

The witch hunt fantasies element seem to be getting stronger. Surely this whole Leeds hospital porter thing must be made up? Or can it be true? I don't know what to think. It's getting to be very reminiscent of the vast numbers of people in the middle ages(and considerably later) who claim to have had sex with the devil or angels. Or the habit in the 1950's and 60's of claiming you had been abducted into space ships and been experimented on sexually by aliens. How are we to assess these stories when there is no corroborative evidence?


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jack Campin
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 02:42 PM

Savile in Israel:

Jimmy Savile Came To My Batmitzvah

Methinks out of all the people named in that, most would only have known Savile at a celebrity-handshake level, but John Levy (of Friends of Israel) must have known what he was letting those Israeli kids in for.

Meanwhile:

recent article from the Jewish Chronicle

Which is a bit mystifying. The JC implies that some journalist had dug the dirt on Savile and sat on the story for reasons unknown, but it hadn't been them. Who do they mean? There aren't a lot of publications in the UK reporting on Jewish issues.


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:56 PM

The porter appears not to have begun working there till after the period he refers to and the hospital trust have confirmed what many know; that porters do not have keys to nurses residential blocks.

Bad enough with the truth without lying publicity seekers getting their names in the press.

I repeat. Without him being here to answer for his alleged crimes, folklore will sate the public need for scandal where facts run out of steam. A bit of a bugger when you try to learn from the events....


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:28 PM

The man certainly had the luck of the Devil. Hundreds of people apparently 'knew' but not one blew the whistle. We must never again make such an idol out of a person in such a way that they can get away with untold evil without detection or confrontation.


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:22 PM

It just weirder and weirder....

Theres this headline today ....why didn't someone tell the Queen?

Yes they might have let the parents in on it as well!


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 05:40 AM

On BBC TV News this morning, an ex-porter at Leeds Infirmary says he noticed Savile taking young girls to his Special Room (he had his own key) at about 2am until 5am. Now, why didn't this ex-porter go to the authorities about it? Maybe he was afraid of losing his job, or of not being believed. But it seems a bit thin, speaking out now!
(Congrats Richard on number 500!)


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 05:40 AM

Witty!


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MartinRyan
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 05:37 AM

500

Hope that's the postings you're counting....

;>(>

Regards


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 11:18 PM

500


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 09:03 PM

Jeremy "Vote Liberal or we'll shoot your dog" Thorpe seems to have been another politico with links to Savile that need explaining.

I wonder if this affair is going to stop in the UK. He seems to have had contacts all over the political spectrum in Ireland, high-up links in Israel and some links with the US that aren't all that clear yet (Elvis and Sen. Gary Hart, for two).


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: vectis
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 07:50 PM

Paedophiles are very manipulative and clever when grooming children. It is possible that he chose to go about his charitable works precisely BECAUSE it gave him access to young and vulnerable (easy meat in those days, who would have believed them?)people.

The fact that he raised so much for charity may have been a lucky accident but it did make it much harder to knock him off his pedestal.

I am just glad my Mum is not alive to see what he was really about, for her and many others at the time he was almost considered to be a saint. He certainly isn't considered to be one now.


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 01:01 PM

mayomick, yeeeeeew!!


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,mayomick
Date: 29 Oct 12 - 07:44 PM

The necrophiliac and paedophile character ,Freddy Royle , in Irvine Welsh's book Ecstasy seems to have been based on Jimmy Savile.. Some passages from the 1996 work were quoted in the London Evening Standard last week :

"The thing was, Freddy brought millions of pounds into the place with his fund-raising activities. This brought kudos to the trustees, and made St Hubbin's Hospital a flagship for the arm's-length trusts from the NHS. All they had to do was keep schtumm and indulge Sir Freddy with the odd body."

"Freddy was finding it hard to maintain steady breathing. He examined the corpse. She's bain a roight pretty un n arl, he rasped in his Somerset drawl, - caar accident oi presumes?"


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: greg stephens
Date: 29 Oct 12 - 02:34 PM

Intriguing. Historically things tend to go the other way, ie people may be remembered more for good(or possibly just impressive) deeds. Oscar Wilde has been forgiven his little boys. The sculptures of Eric Gill are still admired and displayed,in spite of his spectacularly irregular domestic arrangementrs. Henry V murdered countless children in the most repulsive way, but the play about his stirring deeds is regularly performed. Examples could be multiplied endlessly.


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 29 Oct 12 - 02:27 PM

Exactly! Very evil actions completely eclipse any other traits.


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Jim'll fuck it
Date: 29 Oct 12 - 11:28 AM

or..

"Ok.. so hindsight has shown him to be a complete monster,
but we must never forget Hitler painted some rather nice pictures"


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 28 Oct 12 - 02:14 PM

His nephew was on the BBC News last night, and while I do pity his very ashamed and stunned family, it's hard to believe that they didn't see that he was at the very least weird and strange. His nephew actually hoped that people would not forget his 'good side', but that's a vain hope IMO. If a man was a total monster regarding abuse of young people and children, you're hardly going to say, "But wasn't he a wonderful disc-jockey!" etc, are you? I expect even the Yorkshire Ripper was quite nice at home, but please...!


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 28 Oct 12 - 01:20 PM

How he must have hated it when young people started to voice their disatisfaction with the music that the old established Dj s of the time were giving airplay to. No wonder he devoted his time to charity work he had to be seen to be doing something, plus he was living quite comfortably too lets not forget, just by being an institution he could maintain a certain lifestyle.


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,dawniedoody
Date: 28 Oct 12 - 12:25 PM

@ BobL...and I quote u sir..

"Seems to me (and those who actually knew him may of course correct me) that JS had a dreadful flaw in what was an otherwise caring nature.

A dreadful flaw..it was more than that it was a systematic abuse of his position on vulnerable young girls/boys when they could not stand up for them selves, like the children in the care homes, who were punished and locked in rooms for any disobedience and it turns out all these years later that those people had this dreadful flaw to....what u call a dreadful flaw, ruins lives, for all of that persons life...wether he was caring or not in every other aspect of his life he will be forever judged for being a peadophile because he was one, and even if it goes to court or not i know jimmy saville is guilty, maybe not of everyone who has come forward but definately of some of them and he deserves to have every good deed he ever did cancelled out, we know now he was doing those good deeds to cover for the fact that he was a wrong un...simple...a wrong un and i just hope that any more people with this dreadful flaw as u call it are taking notes and know that their time and ppl of their ilks time is drawing to an end, and hopefully soon there will be no corner in all the world were these dreadfully flawed people can hide!!!


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 08:58 AM

I've been aware of the allegations made about Edward Heath and his taste for "young boys" for some time. If so, the question being, was Heath simply a homosexual with a preference for youthful adult males or male children? Because there is a vast chasm between the two.

I wasn't aware of Heath's alleged links to Savile or the Jersey Haute de la Garenne children's home and the Belfast Kincora boys home, until more recently. I've also read his yacht "Morning Cloud" was dubbed "Morning Sickness" by bodyguards because of what allegedly took place on board.

Any of this stuff in Googleable, and there's no way of knowing if any of it is true, yet with this recent flood of revelations unfolding about Savile, his likely co-workers/co-abusers and seeming protection both by those in power in the BBC and a knowing but compliantly quiet press, the idea that Downing street could have housed a known paedophile or even a ring of abusers, becomes less and less an incredible notion.


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Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 08:38 AM

Seems Ted Heath was a good friend of Savile...

Seems also that The Houses of Parliament may soon become known as The Houses of Paediament....


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