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Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer

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Subject: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Litto
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 11:13 AM

Hi, I'm a new Mudcat member and I'm writing a book about Bill Leader - I don't know why nobody has done it before - and would welcome anecdotes, appreciations, brickbats and any Leader-related information from fellow Mudcatters.
>
Now, this also involves tracking the fate of Bill's Trailer and Leader labels, and this trail leads directly to Celtic Music supremo Dave Bulmer. Similarly, has anyone got any Bulmer stories? This, towards a Dave Bulmer Dossier which could form a feature of the book. Here is a Leader/Bulmer hotline - 0161 226 5461 (my name is Mike) - to ring and establish contact.
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Incidentally, to finance the project, I've lately acquired over 1000 folk LPs from the collection of the late Ian Chappell (an outstanding collector, based in Hampshire), with the intention of selling some doubles and others on eBay. My account is one-for-every-fair-and-rainy-day and Mudcatters will receive a discount. Thanks...
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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: G-Force
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 11:22 AM

Put Bulmer in the filter box, set the timescale to All and hit Refresh.

Then do the same with Celtic Music.

The whole sorry saga will come up.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 11:40 AM

You will have to stand back for a month or two for all the threads to load....

Have you spoken to Bill?


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 11:53 AM

One key question underlying all this
[and it need not be made public as long as the 'right' people know answers]

is -

What is the condition of any surviving master tapes;
and what archival procedures are in place
to ensure future preservation for optimum quality professional state of the art digital transfer ?

Likewise, the state of unplayed 'mint' safety copy vinyl LPs if no tapes exist for particular titles ?


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Betsy
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 06:33 PM

It's a crying shame that these two names are(sadly)linked.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 08:18 PM

punkfolkrocker - I think I mentioned the following on another thread -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEOPLES-CAROL-LEADER-GRAYSLEEEVE-FOLK-LP-YORKSHIRE-/130739153289?pt=UK_Records&hash=item1e70a92989 (£29.99 + £3.50) is a typical offering from seller "yourpricemusic" currently on eBay - click on the "See other items " for a list of over 200 albums from this seller. About half of these come under the "folk" heading, and a fair proportion of those are from the former bankrupt stocks of Leader, Highway etc.

Scrolling to the bottom of the above listing shows that "yourpricemusic" has a business name of "Celtic Visions", trading from North Works, Hookstone Park, Harrogate, North Yorkshire, HG2 7DB United Kingdom.

It seems obvious that the "unplayed 'mint' safety copy vinyl LPs" you hope still exist are now up for sale. As others have pointed out, even if you buy the last available copy, you still don't have the right to release it to the world.

Ross


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 11:12 PM

As Silas and G-Force point out, Dave Bulmer is the featured villain here at Mudcat--the mere mention of his name sends small children under the the bed, curdles milk, and brings out the pitchforks. It is a sad testimony to the collapse of the legal system that the man still roams the streets.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 03:01 AM

The legal system is not at fault, he acquired the rights perfectly lawfully and he is not obliged to do anything with them. Bill Leader and the musicians themselves could also be criticised for not agreeing more rigorous contracts; but they were more innocent times, there was a great deal of mutual trust, and I don't suppose anyone envisaged the circumstances arising. And if Bulmer hadn't acquired them, there's no guarantee that the recordings would have been reissued, the tapes might just have been wiped and reused.

His moral obligations to the musicians, Nic Jones especially, and the music world at large are a different matter. I am mystified why in his own self-interest he did not release at least some of the more popular recordings, for which there is clearly a demand and which could have been commercially successful. I can only speculate that he has some kind of grudge against the folk world and that this is his way of getting revenge.

But all this has been said before, and at much length. Good luck trawling the threads on this topic, hope you've got plenty of time on your hands!


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 03:16 AM

With respect that is exactly how the legal system is at fault. What there should be is a partial reversion of rights to the artist if there is not a release reasonably sufficient to satisfy demand within a reasonable period of time - AND there should be a public interest exemption from copyright generally.

Additionally the insolvency loophole should be closed, so that the obligation to pay royalties to the artist/composer is an encumbrance on the rights. At present (unless the contract effectively specifies otherwise)if the company that contracted the artist/composer goes broke and the liquidator sells the rights to a further company, the further company has no obligation to pay royalties to the contracted parties who retain only a valueless right to sue the insolvent company.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 03:50 AM

You can post questions on eBay sales pages; I posted one on the "Celtic Visions" pages where he was selling mint copies of Bright Phoebus, Ray Fisher's Bonny Birdy and a couple of others, asking why he wasn't re-releasing them, in consultation with & with royalties paid to the artists or their next-of-kin.

I got a reply by email almost immediately:

im sorry to be blunt, but you are clearly showing your ignorance in these matters you really should not believe every thing you read on the internet.
Two of the 4 albums you have messaged about are available on cd and have been for years! in fact bright phoebus had a radio 4 program all about how it was "lost" and is was proved on air that it was not. you might not be able to get them down at hmv but that's not our fault, try and get obscure jazz in hmv, you cant find it! some of these albums are not on cd, why is this? because they never sold enough, pouring money into a record that didn't sell is a bit stupid no? finally why are we selling the vinyl on ebay, because there are a few people out there who actually want these records, quite often overseas in country's like japan. in stead of trying to vilify us please do a bit of research and a bit of critical thinking...
perhaps if people had actually bought the albums when they were released the situation would not be so.

So there you go - a few of the Leader/Trailer albums are available, therefore they're not 'lost'. (They're available through channels like Amazon Marketplace, they're pressed on CD-R and cheaply packaged, and no artist royalties are paid (quite legally, as Richard says) - but they *are* available.) And the ones that aren't available, well, nobody wanted them anyway.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Litto
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 05:28 AM

Well I seem to have put the cat among the pigeons here.

Silas, yes I have spoken to Bill. Our interviews are lengthy and ongoing and will be the backbone of the book. They turn up really unexpected snippets. I didn't know, for example, that the address on all the old Topic Records - 27 Nassington Road, London, NW3 - was also home to Ivor Cutler.

So are the LPs Bulmer sells on eBay as 'yourpricemusic' originals or repressings? Originals presumably although stocks must be running low of the more popular items (Nic Jones, Bright Phoebus), and he does own a pressing plant, I believe. So why does he categorise them as 'new'?

Oh dear! I chanced to hear a minute (all that I could bear) of Surface by Cathy Lesurf. Can we lay that crime at his door too?


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 05:53 AM

I assume you have contacted Reg Hall and Dave Bland, both long-time collegues and friends of Bill.
Also Prof R.S. (Bob) Thomson, now (I assume still) in the Dept of English At Gainesville University, Florida, though he may have retired.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 06:25 AM

Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer is still on the Musician's Union watchlist as of their Summer 2012 issue of the Musician. (ie artists are advised to contact MU before dealing with him).

RtS
No axe to grind, not a musician, as anyone who has heard me will confirm!


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 07:46 AM

Well Litto, if you are new here then you wouldn't know, but if you start any thread with the name 'Bulmer' in it......


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 08:48 AM

I'll say it yet again on one of these threads.

The expensive "Bright Phoebus" CD I purchased in all innocence off ebay
was not a CDR but actually a factory presed silver disc
with barebones but apparently properly printed artwork


.. and on first impression the couple of tracks I quickly sampled seemed 'ok' HiFi audio listening
on my small desk top monitors


Until I made time to sit and enjoy it with full attention on a good CD player & studio quality headphones.

That's when I was dismayed to experience dreadful distortions on Lal Waterson's vocal dynamic peaks.

I have not played the CD since - it's a shoddy audio product and a complete waste of money.

Until informed otherwise I presume it is an amateurish digital transfer,
using low grade equipment, of either a worn out tape or a poor condition vinyl LP.

It is definitely not the state of the art digital transfer and CD mastering
that this LP deserves and should receive
from today or tomorrows most capable & technologically equipped specialist professional digital transfer engineers.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 08:50 AM

CORRECTION: "The expensive "Bright Phoebus" CD I purchased in all innocence off ebay"

sorry mistyping; not ebay, I meant Amazon.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 10:38 AM

And the ones that aren't available, well, nobody wanted them anyway."
is there any proof in the above statement?highly unlikely. the man SHOULD BE AVOIDED , why else would the MU HAVE A WARNING ABOUT HIM


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Litto
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 10:54 AM

Thanks for the pointers, Jim. Yes, I need to arrange an interview with Reg Hall as a matter of urgency. Dave Bland and Bob Thomson I didn't know about. Also, I need to speak to Gloria Leader, Karl Dallas, and Helen Leader. Who else? Oh, Dave and Toni Arthur, Bob Pegg. I tell you, the project is expanding and expanding.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 11:09 AM

Dave Bland lives in Halifax. While there, be sure to speak to Pete Coe on the subject.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: selby
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 11:15 AM

You should also interview Dave Bulmer on the grounds of consistency
Keith


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 11:33 AM

For those who apparently missed it, I was being droll about the legal system. The funniest thing about this ongoing saga is that no one has a sense of humor about it.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 11:48 AM

There is nothing remotely "humorous" about the Bulmer impasse but it is indeed ironic that artists involved are deprived of an income from potential royalties - even Mr DB himself loses out by behaving like a prat in the manger though doing nothing actually illegal for reasons which are unfathomable.

Yes, you should interview him and see if you get any further than the Lost Leaser broadcast about Bright Phoebus.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 12:06 PM

"no one has a sense of humor about it."

Maybe because there's too great a sense of overwhelming despondency....????

Normally I'm an 'if you don't laugh you'll cry kinda guy'
much to a lot of mudcatters annoyance.

But when it comes to precious valuable cultural heritage archives
such as movies and music and literature etc
being lost permanently
because of petty business disputes, stubborn bitter stupidity, and short term profiting asset stripping...

It's bad enough all the mass of early movies & sound recordings gone forever
because of inadequate fire-trap storage conditions
and short sighted willful destruction to clear space for new product..

Many would without doubt still be contenders for nicely profitable re-release.

Most others would surely still merit preservation in public digital 'museums' ???
[yes we know it's a complex minfield of rights & funding - but new technologies...]

You'd hope rights owners might have learnt from past unintelligent mistakes
and show some sense before it is all too late.

Even if only in their own potential financial self interest.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 12:15 PM

One does understand the frustration and annoyance that artists might experience, and doubtless, some of us would enjoy the listening to some of the recordings, but, as they are the product of another time, it is doubtful that they have much sales potential.

Still, nothing seems to get folks quite as excited as a "Dave Bulmer" thread. Maybe we could do a "Reality" show--


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 12:26 PM

The cost just isn't a valid excuse any more. If he wanted to, he could reissue a lot of this stuff very cheaply. It's probably true that the majority of the stuff has little commercial value, but there are recordings which are very much in demand, and not just the Nic Jones stuff. CD duplication is not expensive, and it would cost very little to remaster the most commercial recordings and issue them. Not that this would help the artists, but it would at least get the music back into circulation.

As for the less commercial recordings, they could simply be offered as downloads without going to the expense of manufacturing CDs. I'm sure many people would rather have the music, even at lower recording quality, than not at all.

If Bulmer isn't interested in doing it, I'm sure there are labels which would. However all this supposes that the tapes are still in usable condition, which people who know more about these things than I do seem to think is unlikely.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 12:57 PM

he is a wanker


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: selby
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 01:10 PM

"he is a wanker" is not a quality statement for someone who is doing a body of research/book.
This may be the opportunity in an interview for a book to find out what is happening, if DB declines to be interviewed then people can draw there own conclusions Guest Litto has asked for information, anecdotes on Bill Leader,not open season on DB again as someone pointed out earlier there is loads to read on the subject. I am sure someone like yourself GSS has interesting information to give rather than your 4 word original post


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Litto
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 01:55 PM

Yes, I see now it was a mistake to include 'Bulmer' in the title, and thanks Selby for your thoughtfulness. I could take another tack (the book has endless possibilities). What do people know about Mervyn Plunkett? Indeed, if I changed my thread to Bill Leader/Walter Bulwer, would there be as many takers?


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Bernard
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 02:02 PM

Litto, your phone number indicates you're in the Manchester area... are you aware that Bill is a regular at the Oddfellows Arms, Niddleton, on a Monday evening along with John Howarth and friends?


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Bernard
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 02:05 PM

Erm, 'Niddleton' is an alternative spelling for 'Middleton', of course...!


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 02:10 PM

This thought is particularly entertaining:

"The cost just isn't a valid excuse any more. If he wanted to, he could reissue a lot of this stuff very cheaply."

It presupposes that "The Evil Dave" is accountable for not investing his money the way that you think he should.

I like this, too "As for the less commercial recordings, they could simply be offered as downloads without going to the expense of manufacturing CDs."

It ignores the fact that considerable expense is required to create the downloadable files in the first place, let alone the expense of putting it all online. And then of course, there is the effort of getting the appropriate publishing clearances, registering copyrights on the newly created materials, payment of appropriate royalties for online distribution.

Again, though I appreciate that the music is interesting, you can't save everything, because if you do, there isn't room for anything new.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 02:19 PM

Now your talking Litto - I went to the same school as Walter Bulwer - not at the same time I hasten to add!


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 02:25 PM

Stim, it's not too naive to suggest there may be newly evolving
cost efficient alternative ideas
that could attempt to resolve the negative traditional business model issues you raise;
at least to a reasonable degree of compromise..

A positive rational discussion with the current rights holder and surviving recording artists would be most useful....?????????


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 03:20 PM

Litto

Unless I've missed it I can't find any way to contact you other than posting here.

As a guest on mudcat we cannot PM you. Either sign up so that PMs can happen or provide a way to contact. You say you are a new member but all that I see is "GUEST"

I have plenty of memories of Bill and the early days of Leader/Trailer - good ones. Some of which I hinted at in the Resonance radio show I did featuring vinyl tracks on Monday. My memories are not Bulmer related as they date from well before that time but I suggest that to get the best feedback you should provide some sort of contact other than this open forum.

I also share a radio show with Reg Hall but he won't be looking here and neither will many others so help yourself by providing contact info which we can pass on.

If you have and I've missed it sorry but have looked through the postings a couple of times.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 03:23 PM

Sorry just noticed you provided a Tel Number. Brave Man!


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 07:28 PM

I am sure someone like yourself GSS has interesting information to give rather than your 4 word original post."
it was not my original post


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 11:19 PM

To come back to Bill Leader:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Leader lists some of the artists and albums he produced or engineered.

Discogs has an even more extensive discography:-
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Bill+Leader

Reinhard Zierke's excellent site has illustrated entries for his extensive collection, also explains the Leader/Trailer LEA/LER and other prefixes:-
http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/folk/records/leadertrailer.html

Musical Traditions lists the full Leader catalogue:-
http://www.mustrad.org.uk/discos/lea_txt3.htm#leader

Bill Leader recorded many albums for the Topic label. Musical Traditions introductory page describes how to search their extensive database:-
http://www.mustrad.org.uk/discos/discog.htm

And he's not finished yet - Bill Leader was at the final recording session of Folk Police label's Woodbine and Ivy Band project to provide a guiding hand:-
http://www.folkpolicerecordings.com/woodbine--ivy-band.html

Such a rich career ought certainly to be documented and celebrated. I have been buying Bill's output since first finding the Folk Trailer sampler album so many years ago. It is almost incredible that such a body of work could be accomplished by one person. I look forward to seeing Guest Litto's book.

Ross


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 03:52 AM

I assume you have talked to Reg Hall and Dave Bland - both friends and former colleagues of Bill.
Also, Prof. R.S. (Bob) Thomson, who co-operated with him on the making of the magnificent 'Unto Brigg Fair' album of the Grainger Lincolnshire recordings. Bob was head of the English department in Gainesville, Florida, but may have now retired.
You might also find Karl Dallas useful (still in London I think)
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Litto
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 04:14 AM

Bernard, I'm a regular at Oddfellows myself, usually in Bill's corner and frequently with my partner Eva, somewhere in the vicinity of Bob, the scout-master, and Monica, the lovely German lady who doesn't like sad tunes but never says so. If you're around, identify yourself and say hello.

Kevin, yes, please ring - again, that's 0161 226 5461. I'm in most of the day. I need to talk to as many people as I can for a rounded picture, and your contribution would be greatly appreciated.

Ross, thanks for the encouragement and discographical tips. Some of these I'm using as sources for my own Leader discography, which I hope will be definitive. I salute Reinhard Zierke for his trailblazing, extensive discographical work. I haven't yet explored the Topic data-base, but I will, especially now I know how to get there. Woodbine and Ivy, yes, Bill was telling me about them at our last interview.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 04:33 AM

Karl Dallas lives in Bradford, as does Gloria (formerly Leader). Most people you need to contact are on Facebook. Another good contact would be Janet Kerr, one of several who decamped with Bill to Halifax in the 1970s. A talented artist, she designed sleeves and worked as a sound recordist on a number of field trips.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 04:40 AM

Stim, I was responding to the email from Mr Bulmer quoted by Phil Edwards. As I said in a previous post, Bulmer is under no obligation to do anything with the recordings he owns. However it seems strange to me that he does not want to exploit them commercially, when there is clearly strong demand for some of them.

Putting recordings online for downloading is cheap - $49 per album with CD Baby for example. He already owns most of the necessary rights, apart from MCPS which is also not expensive. Ideally he should also spend a bit on remastering, but people will still download them in their original state.

1000 CDs with inserts and cellophane-wrapped jewel cases can be duplicated for around £650. Even allowing for the other costs, the total probably wouldn't be much more than £1 per CD which would sell at between £10 and £15.

Not everything would have commercial value, but I have no doubt he would not lose money by making at least some of it commercially available in a proper format. He doesn't appear to be interested in doing this, or indeed in doing anything else with it. This is of course his prerogative, but it is understandable that it upsets people that some of the most significant recordings of an era are effectively unobtainable. (It also upsets them that the artists are being deprived of income from their work, which is a separate although equally, if not more, important issue).


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Litto
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 05:42 AM

Borchester, Janet Kerr, yes, yes. Her beautiful graphic designs provided a visual identity for Leader/Trailer, and then there were her field recording trips to Carolina etc. That's two chapters; if not two books in themselves. I've also been playing her New Deal String Band record, so plenty to talk about.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 07:48 AM

It might be helpful if you were able to track down Dave Emery who I think now lives in the West Midlands as he was Bill's contact in the North East when Leader/Trailer LPs were being sold around the folk clubs. He might have information about those early days.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Bernard
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 09:19 AM

Litto - sorry, but I'm not able to be in to places at once - Monday night is Sounds of Folk on Oldham Community Radio, too!! I go straight to the studio from work, so once we've done I head off home for some food... one day, perhaps.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Litto
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 10:22 AM

Fair play, Bernard


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Litto
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 10:25 AM

Thanks for the tip, Dave


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 10:04 PM

Guest, Litto - You mentioned having some records to sell to finance your project. This eBay seller has an interesting range on offer, with a few Bill Leader classics in amongst them. This one rarely comes up nowadays:-
THE COPPER FAMILY a song for every season ULTRA RARE FOLK BOXSET 4 x LP (£75 asked)

Some interesting prices being suggested. I may have to re-assess my own collection!

Ross


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Bugsy
Date: 03 Aug 12 - 04:16 AM

This is a very interesting topic. Isn't/wasn't "Rubber Records" also mixed in this debacle also?

Dave Bulmer's grip on this material may be slowly slipping away. (see Blicky below)
"PUBLIC DOMAIN"

CHeers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 03 Aug 12 - 05:15 AM

I see nothing in that link that led to your assumption Bugsy.


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Subject: RE: Bill Leader/Dave Bulmer
From: GUEST,Litto,
Date: 03 Aug 12 - 01:52 PM

Ross, Interesting indeed. I noticed this - the same buyer is asking £75 for the one disc sampler of the Copper box set - and also misleads with the line "these come from my own collection". In fact, I recognise them as from the same source as the batch I'm offering i.e. the collection of the late Ian Chappell, acquired at Omega Auction in Stockport last month. I'm not fetching these prices with my LPs (auction; low starting price). £10 for Young Hunting + Poor Fellows by Tony Rose and £15 for the rare Contraband (Mae McKenna, Ossian). C'mon, Mudcatters, you don't want to prove Dave Bulmer right! This is today's listing - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150871483313?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649#ht_500wt_1204


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