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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 03:35 PM

Mitt Romney ain't all that far behind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 01:22 PM

People quote facts from somewhere...

Some do, and some quote "facts" from nowhere; Fox "News"[sic], Rush Limbaugh and Paul Ryan being three of the all too numerous examples of the latter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 11:30 AM

We're cool, Greg. The problem as always with facts is their source. People quote facts from somewhere, except for ones we make up as we go, and studies show that 97.63 % of people do that. I think pdq argues his case in much the manor other folks do. We all tend to trust internet sources, and there there be dragons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 10:43 AM

Bruce, I didn't intend to include PeeDee in the "no brains at all" category - but upon reflection, there may be something to that.....

I also seem to recall something about a right to one's own opinion, but not to one's own facts.........


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 10:15 AM

"The politics just ain't right for sane environmental policies... We need to turn that around and soon or we'll all be fucked..."

Yeah. Meanwhile, Obama as did Bush before him backed off on the smog standard put forth by the EPA. Well, since oil and coal don't listen to us, let's get lots of threatening letters off to various Small Business Harry the Widget Makers and threaten them instead. Well, the threats worked and the price may be very expensive for the incumbent.

My friend voted for Obama in 2008 because Bush era crap had to go. With the help of Congress and the Oval Office, the EPA has become a good guy with no teeth. So either empower the EPA which seems to have got into a slugging match with small businesses because it can't do a damned thing against the big boys, or start at the top with bad polluters and work yer way on down.

WTF good is industry if no one can breathe?

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"According to OpenSecrets.org, the following data was recorded by the Senate Office of Public Records. The top 10 industries for 2009 were:

Pharmaceuticals/Health Products - $199,323,702
Insurance - $122,065,251
Oil & Gas - $120,669,855
Electric Utilities - $108,163,536
Business Associations - $92,696,817
Computers/Internet - $88,847,937
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing - $84,363,782
TV/Movies/Music - $77,861,927
Hospitals/Nursing Homes - $77,465,842
Education - $73,913,389"

I'm quite sure that many of the fifteen thousand registered lobbyists in Washington, DC are working for one or more of these people--and they are people now--well, persons. And maybe the above data tells us more than we want to know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 08:27 AM

Crap. That guest was me.

The point is, both Bush AND Obama have allowed the EPA to shit on people while the EPA sucks at the tit of big business. My friend tells me that new regulations adhered to under the Obama administration have basically ruined him. So why would he vote for the guy who's helping put him out of work? While I still see Obama as the best choice, he no longer does. I cannot say I blame him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 07:53 AM

Fracking is stupid... I mean, here we are told that future wars will be fought over water and here we are polluting good water and pumping it down under the ground to extract natural gas...

The politics just ain't right for sane environmental policies... We need to turn that around and soon or we'll all be fucked...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 04:12 AM

999 guest if there was ever a time for your friend to get some satisfaction if he is in a swing state, it is now! tell him it is time to speak out! If he is in Texas then fuck that Rick perry voting seperatist bastard!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 11:24 PM

Bobert, the EPA has done little about fracking, Alaska oil drilling, the big timber companies and their practices: please do NOT deify the fucking EPA to me. And neither Bush nor Obama has curbed that organization. They tell a small business man they can enter his business premises at a time of their choosing, no warrant required. My friend is in a non polluting business. WTF, is it any wonder he's not voting for Obama this time? All he wants is to get a fair shake and operate his business. Period.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 10:14 PM

Koch brothers = major polluters...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: pdq
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 10:11 PM

Er, I said I lost my uncle's tape in a move years ago, but I have very good taste in music and I will match a CD to the new owner.

About the EPA, it was Carol Browner, a former Berkeley radical and dropout, who said that everything pollutes in one way or another therefore the EPA has a right to control...everything.

She may be the only member of Clinton's cabinet to serve the full 8 years. I could look that up but I don't really care that much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 10:00 PM

I've taken the bet, brucie...

Looks like I'm gonna get a CD of pdq's uncle... That's okay with me.. I don't want pdq's money...

BTW, we have two choices... Pollution or not... The folks who are spending the big bucks for Romney are polluters...

No thanks to bad air and poison water...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 09:50 PM

Bobert, were I you I'd take the bet.

As an aside, a good friend of mine who lives in a south-western state of the USA is a small-business man. He is also as left of center as I am, meaning he's close to being a socialist. He's not voting for Obama because the new regulations regarding small businesses are breaking him. He expects to have to close down his business--something he's worked hard at for thirty-five or so years. The putrid organization known as the EPA--its new stature and authority redefined by Bush and carried further by Obama--has become an enemy of the people. I can sure see why Americans are having difficulties with this election. Prepackaged crap just don't cut it no more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: pdq
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 09:42 PM

I've made it clear that I'm a music fan, not a player.

I used to have a tape made on a mono Wallensak of my uncle playing jazz guitar and jamming with Erroll Garner, a good friend of his and fellow Republican. Made at his house after "a few". Lost it in a move years ago so I can't copy that onto a CD.

I'll send him a few odd CDs anyway, since I know how hard he will take losing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 09:06 PM

Well, Eb... Pdq did offer to bet $20 or a CD... I would feel terrible takin' his money so I've agreed to getting one of his CDs...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: gnu
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 08:49 PM

Soooo.... yer puttin ten large at what, Ebbie?


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 08:41 PM

WHAT?? No one is betting $10,000? I'm embarrassed for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 08:05 PM

See my PM...

Yep, we're on...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: pdq
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 07:54 PM

Yer on, too.

Either 1 audio CD or a cash bet up to $20.




Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Bobert - PM
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:45 PM

Wanta place a side bet, pdq???D


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 07:32 PM

The Rasmussen Poll is to pollin' what FOX is to news...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 07:15 PM

Yer on, buddy. This will be the third CD you'll have sent me. (Must admit I really liked the other two.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: pdq
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 07:12 PM

Yep. One audio CD on the presidential election this year.

No handicap, unless one is considering Joe Biden.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 07:05 PM

PDQ, on the election, yes. On the poll, no thank you. We on for the election?


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: pdq
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 06:47 PM

Nice response GUEST,Inverted Anti-Christ.

Want to reprise our bet from 4 years ago?

I know I'm a "slow pay" but reliable.

If Bobert is listening, I'll take his offer also.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 06:37 PM

Well, I'm gonna disagree. PDQ is a smart man who believes what he believes. He has a right to his opinion, as do we all. I think he reads too much Republican-slanted media, but I expect he thinks I read too much Democrat-slanted media. The Rasmussen poll is considered to be a good one. So, we'll see tomorrow. Until then, Obama is leading in the polls.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 06:30 PM

Yup, PeeDee, and Romney leads by triple digits among people with absolutely no brains at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: pdq
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 06:23 PM

Rasmussen changes 1/3 of the results each day.

The number I gave comes from data collected the 3rd, 4th and 5th.

Therefore 1/3 is still "pre-debate" data.

Check their site tomorrow morning for the real number.

Perhaps that should be "tomorrow mourning".


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: gnu
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 06:21 PM

I am skewed for the 11th. I shall have munchies and beer and won't invite anyone to watch the game with me. People crap on Biden left and right but he is gonna kick Ryan's ass. Big time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 05:51 PM

Skewed for Republicans


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 05:46 PM

pdq, those figures are based on a whole 500 people interviewed on one night. Yippee.

Obama is ahead in the polls, still.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: pdq
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 04:56 PM

"Obama is ahead in the polls."

From Rassmussen this morning:
          Romney                49%,
          Obama                  47%
          "somebody else"    2%
          "undecided"            2%

"Both men have solidified their partisan base. Romney is supported by 89% of Republicans and Obama by 88% of Democrats. Among those not affiliated with either major party, Romney leads by 16.

The generation gap remains wide. Obama leads by double digits among those under 40. Romney leads by double digits among those over 40. "


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 10:51 PM

Romney: "What's a saucer?"...


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 10:48 PM

The Republicans think the world is round,




like a saucer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 10:30 PM

Yes.. but the Republicans are explaining how the polls are skewed by the dastardly, liberal 'mainstream media'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 10:16 PM

Obama is ahead in the polls.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 07:51 PM

Of course they're against the Republican agenda. It's 25 different shades of lunacy.

(I posted a previous more lengthy reply already...but somehow mistakenly hit that mysterious combination of keys near the Shift key that suddenly makes everything VANISH!----------------------------------------------------------------------------)

And I haven't the heart to type it all over again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 06:43 PM

"The real thing that's motivating Obama's supporters is their hatred of Romney, their contempt for him and his party, and their desire to see him lose."

Not at all, not even a little. Its the agenda of the GOP they are against. As their agenda gets more narrow and nutty the more and larger lies their candidates have to tell to win. Its not Romney's fault per se. It is just that he is only one slippery enough to have brought it this far. The election would be all but over now is some like Santorum, who is a firm believer in "conservative" principles was running. But "the well oiled weathervane" has a few turns left.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 06:30 PM

You realize of course, that polls are getting harder to do at all because so many people don't have land lines. Many young folks especially... who 'might' tend toward Dems... have only cell phones and don't answer polls.

Maybe someday they'll have a system where we VOTE by special cell phone code and skip all this guessing..... anything to get away from the electoral college nonsense will suit me!


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 06:09 PM

Yeah, I think you're right about that, Jack.

A big problem with politics, I think, is that people tend to focus much more strongly on what they don't like than on what they do like...and they focus the most rigorously on the man they don't like! So...for Romney's supporters...they're not all that much concerned about closely examining what Romney says for its veracity. What they want to focus on is his criticism of Obama, and thing that are wrong with what Obama says, because the primary thing that really moves them is hatred of and contempt for Obama. So as long as Romney attacks Obama in a way that his supporters enjoy, that's all that really matters to them.

And I would venture to suggest that it works almost exactly the same way on the other side of the partisan divide. The real thing that's motivating Obama's supporters is their hatred of Romney, their contempt for him and his party, and their desire to see him lose.

Both sides concentrate mostly on denigrating the other side and sniping away at it, rather than on keeping their own side honest. Why would they put much energy into vetting what their own guy says when the main thing they want to happen is to see the other guy lose?


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 05:58 PM

There is a difference in kind and intent and degree. The Romney plan was to "etchesketch" It was clever to wait until the debate. I will grant. But in effect Romney called himself a liar a half dozen times during that debate. Also, the we are not going to let the fact checkers run our campaign mentality.

and there is that whole thing where Romney told the FEC and the MA elections board that he was running Bain while he tells us that he wasn't. Romney's lies are so big that they deserve a much more majestic name "Epic legends" perhaps. It seems as though he is reading them from a gold tablet that only he can see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 05:50 PM

Okay, pdq, if you are simply asking Left-leaners to accept the fact that their side is also lying....then I have no reason to argue with that. Both sides lie a great deal of the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 05:16 PM

I'm asking Left-leaners to accept the fact that their side is also lying.

Not exactly, PeeDee- the Dems may be guilty of spin and bias, but when it comes to out-and-out lies, half-truths, distortion, and absolute 14-karat bullshit, the Repubs win half down.

Its a difference in kind, not in degree.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: pdq
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 04:45 PM

Little Hawk...

"And you see it only on the Left???? You must be blind in one eye."

You still don't get it.

I'm asking Left-leaners to accept the fact that their side is also lying.

That is why I asked for Top 10 Whoppers from Obama to balance the Top 10 Whoppers from Romney.

Open-minded people should be able to discuss both (=all) sides.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 04:32 PM

Nope. I remember him picking up his notes. no hankie. And why would he sneak a hankie onto the podium?


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 04:26 PM

Maybe it was a handkerchief. Well maybe he has phobia of shaking hands with a Black man. Or a better man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:59 PM

Skewing the debate??

Slimeball.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:27 PM

pdq's post is gathered from AntiObamaBlog.com

What A Surprise! As per usual, no facts need apply.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:22 PM

pdq, I think the "history be damned" attitude you describe is equally apparent on both the Right and the Left these days. The USA's standard mode is "history be damned". The USA has repeatedly launched wars of choice against small, distant countries that offered no real threat to the USA. That's what Hitler was in the habit of doing, only he didn't reach quite as far beyond his borders as the USA does. Both the Democrats AND the Republicans have been repeatedly guilty of backing those pre-emptive wars of aggression. The only American politicians I know of who have resolutely opposed them are Dennis Kucinich (Democrat) and Ron Paul (Republican). The rest have all lined up dutifully and justified open and illegal aggression against other countries which were no threat to the USA...and occupation of those countries, apparently believing, like Hitler, that "The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."

Politicians in both your parties continually tell lies, mislead the public, and misrepresent themselves. This is totally obvious. Like Hitler and his ilk, they also believe that "The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."

It's standard behaviour in American politics. And you see it only on the Left???? You must be blind in one eye.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:19 PM

pdq's post is gathered from

AntiObamaBlog.com | Dr. Kevin "Coach" Collins

That information is NOT edited by me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate...
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:17 PM

Political cartoonists used to delight in lengthening Richard Nixon's nose.

They hardly needed to.


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