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Ebbie 03 Oct 12 - 03:09 PM
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McGrath of Harlow 03 Oct 12 - 04:20 PM
Gurney 03 Oct 12 - 04:39 PM
Richard Bridge 03 Oct 12 - 05:15 PM
GUEST, Eb (my cookie is missin'- you men is mean) 03 Oct 12 - 05:24 PM
Gurney 03 Oct 12 - 10:37 PM
Ebbie 03 Oct 12 - 11:13 PM
Richard Bridge 04 Oct 12 - 12:42 AM
Gurney 04 Oct 12 - 03:28 AM
GUEST,999 04 Oct 12 - 04:08 AM
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Subject: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 03:09 PM

Today on NPR they are presenting a long call-inshow on the relevance of men. Of MEN, that is, not of mankind (a totally different subject). I haven't called in, but I do have a few thoughts on the subject.

I can see why men may be feeling threatened by the very idea that they may become redundant in this world.

It is possible (POSSIBLE, mind you) that the male sex may eventually become an elective rather than an essential, somewhat like making the decision of whether or not to keep a pet.

Cons: 1. Life is simpler without a pet. 2: One needn't come home to feed the pet or to keep it company. 3: There is less worry without a pet, one needn't worry about its health or the expense of doctor visits, shots, pills and the like, or staying up late at night just to keep an eye on its progress 4:

Pros: 1. It is wonderful to cuddle a warm, responsive body and to gaze into bright knowing eyes. 2: There is no substitute for just having something breathing in the same room. 3: It is nice to know that there is less risk of having harm approach unannounced 4: It is equally nice to have something to take one's mind off oneself, even if that means occasional worry. 5: It is also kind of nice to know that in all likelihood one will outlive it.

It surprises me that we/society are surprised that we have arrived at this point. As a society, we have always striven toward the goal of doing more with less, i.e. automation has always meant that fewer people, primarily men, will be needed, cost-saving measures aim in the same direction, implementing time-saving ideas has the same goal. It is no surprise.

Just a few generations ago, men were needed in much higher numbers than now. We needn't go as far back as hunter days- pre-industrial farming demanded physical strength that most women didn't have, not to mention that women, by and large, would not see the sense of going out in all kinds of weather to battle the elements, when by waiting out the storm, the problems will be more easily fixed and faster accomplished. They tend to have the more pragmatic view that 'We're all in this together. Hunker down and we'll come out on the other side.' Men, on the other hand, seem to pride themselves on how tough they can be. Therefore, they frequently die proving it.

Any thoughts? :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: gnu
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 03:20 PM

Yup.... hahahahaa.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 03:46 PM

If nothing else, they're needed as something for women to bitch about


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 03:48 PM

heh heh heh We bitch about pets too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: gnu
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 03:55 PM

Dick... not so. Wo/men bitch about other wo/men equally. My theory is that women are more emotionally tuned in to their feelings and the feelings of others and therefore "share" more... even when ya don't wanna hear any more of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 04:20 PM

Mind, every word of what Ebbie said in her pro/cons would apply just the same in relation to the use of having women around. Apart from the bit about men dying younger than women.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Gurney
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 04:39 PM

It may be necessary to create a better balance of womens/mens work by doing away with some technology that gives women less work.
The obvious items are washing machines, dishwashers, vacuum cleaners, piped services such as water, sewage(out!) electricity and gas etc, electric cookers/microwaves, telephones and the internet, sewing machines, and the internal combustion engine.
This would mean that women would have to slave away all the hours that God sends, just like their Great-Grandmothers did, and would not have time to entertain loony theories.

It's a bugger! You do people a favour, and they turn around and bite your bum!
Satire is a two-edged sword. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 05:15 PM

Get real. You don't shag pets. Or you shouldn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: GUEST, Eb (my cookie is missin'- you men is mean)
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 05:24 PM

Ah ha! So, Gurney, you think that men currently do most of the work of running a home? hahahahahha

I remember when my brother and sis in law both worked at jobs some distance from home. They shared a car.

When they got home, sil started supper, bathed their two children and got them into night clothes, laid out tomorrow's clothes for everybody, started a load of washing, tidied and vacuumed the living room, made and received a couple of phone calls, washed the dishes, put the laundry into the dryer, folded yesterday's laundry and distributed it to the proper rooms, read the kids a couple of stories and put them to bed, showered and dressed for bed then returned to the kitchen, put a mug of cold coffee into the microwave and sat down at the table for a breather. And then my brother called from bed: Hey! Aren't you coming to bed?

In the meantime, Brother had parked the car, gone to their little barn, welcomed the three horses in, fed them and curried them while they were munching away.

Then he came to the house. Picked up the daily paper, and occasionally called out a bit of news to sil. When dinner was steaming on the table he ate. Gave wife a hug and returned to his easy chair, the paper and the TV. At their bedtime, gave kids a hug and kiss. Along about 10 o'clock he glanced at the clock and went to shower. Went to bed.

Called out to wife: Hey! Aren't you coming to bed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Gurney
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 10:37 PM

Ah, come on, Ebbie! How did you get that from my post? I merely pointed out that men invented, designed, developed, and built all manner of labour-saving devices, mostly on wimmin's behalf, laboured to bring instant services to their homes, service the devices when something goes wrong, created communication devices, and all so that their wives can do so much less work than they did in ancient (like, three generations ago!) times.

And then, AND THEN, some of them want to get rid of their benefactors!
There's a name for this kind of thing. Ingratitude.
;-(

Her indoors says I sometimes court trouble, which may be correct. After all, I courted HER.

Ouch! Standing behind me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:13 PM

Ah yes - "...men invented, designed, developed, and built all manner of labour-saving devices, mostly on wimmin's behalf, laboured to bring instant services to their homes, service the devices when something goes wrong, created communication devices, and all so that their wives can do so much less work than they did in ancient (like, three generations ago!) times." Gurney

And I suppose you would ignore the host of labour-saving devices and machinery that men designed for themselves, eh? Like the transition from puffing grain threshers and putt-putting tractors sweating under the hot sun to the closed-in, air-conditioned, many-bitted and bladed, million-dollar machines that successful mega-farmers use today?

And that's without even going into their hobby shops...

But that is entirely - or mostly - beyond the point. My theme and question is: Do we actually needmen? Or should we relegate the male sex to the laboratory and the pet realm? *grin*

Oh- and Richard B - I said not a word about sexual activity. Electives can be very nice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 12:42 AM

That's my point. You can't rationally compare living with a person of the opposite gender to keeping a pet. The first is about sexual activity (or at least a memory of it). The second isn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Gurney
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 03:28 AM

Now come on, Ebbie! Of course we don't need men, or women either! The earth would be quite indifferent if both disappeared, and since both were gone, neither would the human race.
What we are discussing is whether the human race needs as many men as there are presently, and my answer is: we really only need about half as many as present.
Unless women can suppress their sexuality, or divert it into homosexuality.
If there were just a ratio similar to chickens, say 1:12, then the average woman would have normal sexual congress just every 4 weeks or so, if she was lucky, or unless the men were selectively bred so that they could up-rate their output and the women to not want sex except for procreation. In this case, it could mostly be done in a laboratory, and everyone would be a son-of-a-syringe.

Her Indoors' take is "Have you ever worked in a large office staffed by women? Of course we need men! And anyway,who would make me laugh!"
:-)
There is a song called 'Dancing at Whitsun' which goes there, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 04:08 AM

Someone tell China. They get into this kinda thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:36 AM

'Have you ever worked in a large office staffed by women?' Well, yes. I taught in a large school with all women teachers, head teacher and secretary. We all got along just fine. Then a new Deputy Head arrived. He was very pleasant, but while chatting during the lunch hour he revealed that his wife, Christine, also a teacher at another school, did everything in the house. He came home to the poor lassie cooking his dinner, his slippers ready and the ironing waiting for her attention later. They had two children and she sorted them out too. We used to berate him soundly, and my closest colleague Linda and I used to giggle and say we wished we had a wife at home!! Husbands in those days weren't much better than the Deputy Head. Selfish and lazy basically!


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: frogprince
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:48 AM

So far as the hanky panky considerations; a man without a woman is kinda outa luck, unless he wants to risk having someone find out about what he's doing with the pets; a woman can always reach for a carrot or cucumber.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 11:56 AM

A dildo doesn't go to the bar to get the drinks in or mend a leaking tap.

I recall a list of why dogs are better than women. The two I recall being that the later you get from the pub, the more excited a dog is to see you and dogs don't complain when you play with other dogs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 12:46 PM

I think there's a certain irony recognition deficit in this thread...


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 12:55 PM

Now Chongo's probably gonna start a thread about "Relevance of Humans - a satirical look".


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 01:48 PM

Thanks, Kevin. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 02:18 PM

Musket, I lived alone for a number of years and was quite capable of 'getting the drinks in' and 'mending a leaky tap' if required. Any job I couldn't do, I'd call in a professional, of which many are now women. (My friend Pat recently had her flat decorated superbly well by a lady decorator.) I was lucky in that both my parents ensured I saw myself as equal to any man, and gave me an education to degree level. The point is that women don't actually need men, but as in my case, one lives with one through love, not dependence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 02:40 PM

Right on, Eliza! It isn't a question of "need", it's a question of affection and mutual regard. You love people because you value them, not because you need them.

I live alone these days, and I'm managing to do all the stuff that needs to be done, whether or not it's traditionally seen as "man's work" or "women's work".


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 03:14 PM

Little Hawk, we have pets for the same reason. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: gnu
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 03:22 PM

LH... "I live alone these days, and I'm managing to do all the stuff that needs to be done, whether or not it's traditionally seen as "man's work" or "women's work".

Your net has been left wide open! (Some non-Canucks may not get that joke so... when yer pants fly is open...)

And, BTW, when was this thread ever supposed to be a serious discussion? Thread drift, I guess. Unfortunate as I would rather laugh about things, as intended by the OP. Maybe I am just acting like an old woman.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 03:24 PM

Yeah, that's right. I have 4 budgies here, no practical or needful reason whatsoever for doing that, but I sure enjoy having them around. They're fun to observe and interact with. They provide emotional rewards.

If life was only about survival, it would be a miserable business. That's why I don't find Darwin's Theory of Evolution complete, as it stands. It only looks at what works in terms of survival of a species, and that's not all that life's about. That's only the beginning of what life's about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 03:34 PM

Oh, I'm all for the humorous side, gnu, believe me. ;-) And no, I am not trolling for girlfriends here by revealing that I live alone. I am thinking of possibly getting another bird, though (Black-Capped Conure).


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Musket
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 03:39 PM

She wittered....

Ah well, if this is going to degenerate from a bit of a laugh into a serious discussion..

Don't forget the love of a man versus the need for a turkey baster


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 07:56 PM

Hey, any well-trained primate can learn to baste a turkey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:54 PM

Little Hawk, I would draw the line at allowing Chongo to baste my turkey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:03 PM

That's okay, Ebbie. Alaska is a long way away, and Chongo has no real reason to go there at the moment. (He was trying to get Sarah Palin on the APP ticket, but she turned him down.)(And his girlfriend Renata also objected.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 11:20 AM

I awoke today feeling so.....relevant. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 12:37 PM

lol


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 03:37 AM

A little way up above Gurney suggested:

I merely pointed out that men invented, designed, developed, and built all manner of labour-saving devices, mostly on wimmin's behalf,...

Of course we all know that the main purpose in easing wimmin's work was so that she'd be available to do other stuff.

But she'll still have a headache ... ...,

proving once again that men aren't necessarily the greatest planners or the best of leaders.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 08:23 AM

I find it interesting that in a discussion about disposing of half the human race that some people have got caught up in the morality of sex with pets and cucumbers. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 11:03 AM

And we still haven't gotten into a serious discussion of interspecies marriage and primate rights in the 21st century.


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Subject: RE: BS: Relevance of Men- a satirical look
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 12:30 PM

JtS, there is no planned elimination under this scenario. Just fewer male babies conceived. It is called attrition.

Works real well for China, in reverse. They now have hundreds of thousands of men without a viable mate.


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