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Lyr Req: Say It Ain't So Joe (Murray Head)

Freddie Fox 28 Oct 99 - 06:38 PM
Roger in Baltimore 28 Oct 99 - 10:30 PM
Freddie Fox 29 Oct 99 - 12:56 PM
John C 29 Oct 99 - 02:07 PM
Freddie Fox 29 Oct 99 - 03:01 PM
Jeremiah McCaw 29 Oct 99 - 04:53 PM
Roger in Baltimore 29 Oct 99 - 07:07 PM
GUEST 19 Nov 08 - 01:24 PM
Jeremiah McCaw 19 Nov 08 - 09:27 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req; Say it Ain't So, Jo
From: Freddie Fox
Date: 28 Oct 99 - 06:38 PM

After someone kindly found me Hey Joe [Jimmy Hendrix], my brilliant husband informs me that it's actually a song that starts, 'say it ain't so, Joe, please, say it ain't so' that he wants. Can anyone help, and also tell us morons who wrote it??


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req; Say it Ain't So, Jo
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 28 Oct 99 - 10:30 PM

Freddie,

You may be looking for a song about Shoeless Joe Jackson written by Chuck Brodsky where the chorus begins, "Say it ain't so, Joe."

I am blankin' on the song title. His CD's are available through CDNow (order through "Support the Mudcat". Click here for Chuck's website.

Enjoy the music!

Roger in Baltimore


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req; Say it Ain't So, Jo
From: Freddie Fox
Date: 29 Oct 99 - 12:56 PM

I had a look at that website, but I don't think it's the same song - we can vaguely remember it from the '70's. Someone else thought it might be Joe Cocker?


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Subject: Lyr Add: SAY IT AINíT SO JOE (Murray Head)
From: John C
Date: 29 Oct 99 - 02:07 PM

Is this it? Iíve got an old single of SAY IT AINíT SO JOE from 1977, sung by that well-known folkie Roger Daltrey (Who?) and written by Murray Head. Iíve been trying to work out the words but the record is a bit scratched and, fine singer though he is, Daltreyís diction leaves a little to be desired. Anyway, this is what I can decipher:

Say it ainít so, Joe. Please say it ainít so.
Thatís not what I want to hear, Joe, and I've got a right to know.
Say it ainít so, Joe. Please say it ainít so.
Iím sure theyíre telling us lies, Joe. Please tell us it ainít so.

They told us that our hero has played his trump card,
He doesnít know how to go on.
We're clinging to his charm and determined smile,
But the good old days have gone.

The army and the empire may be falling apart.
And the money has gotten scarce.
One manís word held the country together,
But the truth is getting fierce.

Say it ainít so, Joe. Please say it ainít so.
We pinned our hopes on you, Joe; now theyíre ruining our show.

Ooh, baby, donít you think weíre gonna get burned?
Ooh, baby, don't you think we're gonna get turned?
Weíre gonna get burned.
Weíre gonna get learned.
Weíre gonna get turned.
Weíre gonna get burned....

Rpt chorus, verses, chorus

Actually, in retrospect, this is a pretty good song. Strong tune and it just occurred to me that Joe could be Joseph Stalin which gives the lyrics a whole new meaning.
Ciao for now
John C


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req; Say it Ain't So, Jo
From: Freddie Fox
Date: 29 Oct 99 - 03:01 PM

That's the one - magic! I shall copy it off, but if anyone else can add to it just in case, I'd be grateful. Freddie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req; Say it Ain't So, Jo
From: Jeremiah McCaw
Date: 29 Oct 99 - 04:53 PM

Research to come ...

But ...

"Say it isn't so, Joe
The kids in the bleachers cried.
Say it isn't so, Joe
Keep our hopes alive

This particular one was (I think) written by Steve Key who's had songs recorded by Mary Chapin-Carpenter and Kathy Mattea ("33, 45,78" a.k.a. "Record Time"). More info if and when I come across it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req; Say it Ain't So, Jo
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 29 Oct 99 - 07:07 PM

Jeremiah,

Yeah, that's it. It isn't Chuck Brodsky. Steve Key used to play around DC and then headed for Nashville. Last I heard he was still down there writing songs.

Roger in Baltimore


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Say It Ain't So Joe (Murray Head)
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 01:24 PM

i have the Murray Head version, i always believed it to be about DiMaggio and Munroe


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Subject: Lyr Add: SHOELESS JOE (Jeff Deitchman)
From: Jeremiah McCaw
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 09:27 PM

A bit long in coming, but here's the update from Steve Key's site

Shoeless Joe
(Steve Key)

written by Jeff Deitchman; Steve's version was originally recorded for the "Record Time" CD (Local Folkel label, 1992, now out of print), re-released on "Diamond Cuts: Turning Two" (Hungry for Music, 1998), available at www.hungryformusic.com

    Gonna sing you a song about Shoeless Joe Jackson
    He played for Chicago back in the teens
    Some say he was guilty, others say he wasn't
    Most everybody say he was the greatest that's ever been

    But you won't find his name down in the Hall of Fame
    They kicked him out of baseball 'cause they said he took a bribe
    They said he took some money on those games with Cincinnati
    Though he might've had to tell that lie just to keep himself alive

    CH Say it ain't so, Joe
    The kids in the bleachers cried
    Say it ain't so, Joe
    And keep our hopes alive

    Charles Comiskey ran a tight-fisted business
    Treated his White Sox just like beggars at the gate
    So it stands to reason for to crown his perfect season
    They'd be tempted to throw it all just to set the old man straight

    Cicotte and Gandil got it all set up with the gamblers
    A hundred thousand dollars -- a few bucks against disgrace
    Joe found out about it, and he tried to let it out
    But old man Comiskey just slammed the door right in his face (to CH)

    You can read the record, you can sort through all the papers
    But in the 1919 series it was the Reds, five games to three
    Believe the bosses or the gamblers or the writers
    The big money who condemned him or the jury that set him free

    And it's all a game but somebody's got to take the blame
    Hey why not Jackson? You know, he couldn't read or write.
    But Joe's resting easy, though it's wrote he threw the series
    He played without an error, batting .375 (to CH)

© 2008 Steve Key


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