Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.

Subject: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 31 Oct 99 - 04:18 PM

Hi. I watched a rather surprising half hour info-mercial today, sponsored by the National Rifle Association. It appears to be warning Americans that the Governments of Canada, Great Britain, and Australia (or was it New Zealand) have come down on us like storm troopers and confiscated our guns, thus leaving us to the mercy of our well-armed criminals, and worse still, our even-better armed Governments. It's pretty hilarious actually, (with membership, you get a silver bullet, autographed by Charleton Heston!!)but the Canadian stuff was so completely inaccurate, out of date, and just plain silly, I was wondering whether anyone else had seen it who knows whether the Brit or Aussie stuff was equally mis-represented.
This co-incided with a newspaper article showing the scrambling for firearms, connected with Y2K. Appears that a lot of people feel that come Jan. 1st, the prisons will mal-function and convicts will be on the loose. (Me, I'm more worried about our local nuclear plant in Pickering)
I know that in some quarters this is a touchy issue, so I hope anyone who has a thought about it will keep it polite ,(we already know who wants or doesn't want guns from several other threads).. but I am curious about the other countries, and whether the NRA is a presence there.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Peter T.
Date: 31 Oct 99 - 05:04 PM

Rick, you aren't supposed to reveal the plot, you dumb Canuck. Does the month January mean anything to you? Think: Winter! Who does winter better than us, eh? Why do you think Eaton's closed? Not because they went bust -- they have been retooling for snowshoes, mukluks, and white gear on behalf of the military. At midnight, the NORAD alert station at Alert is going on red, and we are heading south. You know those cold Canadian highs? -- turn on the old Weather Show Jan 1, and put fur down your shorts, because Johnny Canuck is coming!!! Post-fenians assemble! We burned the White House down once, and this time we are going to have Republican help.
, Obergruppen Commander, Peter T. (The Grey Heron). (My heart soars like Canadian dollar)

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: wildlone
Date: 31 Oct 99 - 05:11 PM

As far as I know the NRA is not a major player in the UK but saying that the government of the UK has come down heavy on gun ownership yet Jill Dando was killed with a weapon that had been held by the police and should have been destroyed.
re-enactors are getting more and more hassle when the time for renewing their paperwork comes round.
Black powder is covered by so many laws now it is easier to use Pyrodex even if it is about 25% more powerful by weight.
I am not pro guns as such. What gets me is that laws are in place if they would just use them. Not make more.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 31 Oct 99 - 10:31 PM

The infomercial that I saw used video of Brits protesting in London about the fox hunting issue. The NRA implied that these were gun owners outraged at having their firearms taken away. Hardly the case. They interviewed a couple of Canadian politicians from Alberta who are perceived by most here as virtually neo-nazis..but once again implied that these were mainstream views. I doubt if they'll get a whole lot of support in Canada. Don't know what the perception ACTUALLY is in Australia. Perhaps the video did get that right, but if any Aussies have a thought, I'd be interested.

Rick

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Oct 99 - 11:00 PM

I will follow this one with interest, Rick. I can well believe the idiots in this state believing that kind of crap. There are many whom I would consider fairly sane people, pillars in the community, who are absolutly besotted over the whole armageddon scenario of Y2K. They are stocking up on water, generators, ammo and guns. The mass consciousness is creating this with their hysteria and belief in some amorphous enemy and, from what I've seen, the NRA is promoting that hysteria...pardon the pun, lock, stock, and barrel. I would imagine Heston has Moses and a few others rolling over in their graves.*BG*

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 31 Oct 99 - 11:40 PM

There have been three major massacres in recent times in Australia - two of which touched me directly. In the Queen St massacre in Melbourne I was working in the builbing opposite - an old school friend was shot at least five times from a military style weapon and survived. At the Port Arthur (Hobart) massacre an ex-boss and drinking mate was shot dead as he shielded his wife from the indiscriminate shots from an assault rifle.

The overwhelming view of Australians is that automatic weapons should be banned, as indeed they have been in the last 5 or so years. The ownership of small arms has always been severely restricted - the Australian Constitution makes no provisions for the right to bear arms. The vast majority of Australians would view NRA advertising (if it exists) as a sick joke given our recent history.

Regards, John

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 05:27 AM

And after the Port Arthur tragedy our federal government instituted a compulsory buy back scheme for certain types of firearm (don't know exactly what type, I'm gun illiterate). Many thousands of guns, now illegal, were turned in to the police & destroyed.

Now if they'd only do the same for accordians.

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: _gargoyle
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 05:53 AM

Good video. Listen to the background and transitional music. Good tunes, well done.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: kendall
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 08:16 AM

It's a sad fact of life that the knuckle draggers out number the thinkers

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: JedMarum
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 09:08 AM

kendall do you presume NRA members are all non-thinking knuckle draggers?

Alan would you ban all accordians, or just the 'automatic' button types? And what about electronic keyboards that mimic the accordian, are we to ban those too? Where will it all end?

As far as the original comments from this thread are concerned I cannot comment, since I didn't see the film, but I can imagine it used every fact and near fact that could be found - in order to persuade. The NRA has a particular point to make!

But I do hope the US can safely regulate firearms, as it regulates food and automobile safety issues, within the bounds Constitution. I am not sure we have done so effectively, yet. Unfortunately, as our world population grows, our personal freedoms diminish

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Leftenant Cameron
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 10:36 AM

Rick, Peter: it's all in place. First we took over their comedy industry...unfortunately the result has been that the Yanks just can't seem to lighten up any more. Then this Mudcat business came to light--compassionate and worse yet, sometimes humorous conversation apparently emanating from Americans among others. They must be stopped. The infiltration is nearly complete.

Rick, you've got the list of e-mail addresses so that we can swoop in and confiscate all the guitars, bodhrans accordions and microphones at the stroke of midnight, right? The commandoes are preparing for the mission now.

This is a secure comm channel, right? Right?

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Bill Cameron
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 10:49 AM

Whoops! Pressed the wrong button there. Just ignore that msg, folks. ;>

The NRA has been trying to influence our firearms policies for a long time. Like by calling for a boycott of Canada by American hunters. Since they see us as their happy hunting grounds, it annoys them that there are so many toys they can't bring into Canada. Most recently that blowhard idiot Ted Nugent tried to threaten us for cancelling the spring bear hunt. For some reason, the idea of _not_ getting a steady stream of gun-toting Americans entering our country has failed to strike much fear into the Canadian psyche.

Of course, out where I live, the most popular bumper stickers are the ones opposing Bill C-68, which requires registration of hunting rifles & shotguns in the next couple of years. Hunters being a paranoid bunch (sorry I expect some are reading this--I'm not anti-hunting, just stating the obvious here), this is equated with "the government taking our guns away". The Reform Party is popular here too and that's not a coincidence.

Bill

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 10:49 AM

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MESSAGE ENCODED IN WING DING FOR SECURITY PURPOSES.

Plot going well. Soon they will come and bring different politicians, Canadian musicians and beer. They will remove all MacDonald's and replace them with gravy and chips stands. Just keep pretending it wasn't our idea.

 

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Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Left. Cameron
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 11:20 AM

Jeri....ha ha ha. Neat trick.

We do have a bunch of politicians to send, mostly from the Reform party--you will probably recognize them, since they spend their vacations volunteering for the Republicans and the NRA. Please keep them. Please. They just wannabe Americans anyway.

As for the beer, we're keeping it.

Gravy & chips? You mean chips in gravy and melted cheese, aka Poutine--our secret weapon. Highly addictive. When the heart attacks start, we move in.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Roger the skiffler
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 11:37 AM

i was a reasonable rifle shot at static targets(.22 and .303) at school in the '50s but have had no desire to handle a gun since, except for the occasional fairground airgun. Now I wear bifocals I probably couldn't hit a barn door from inside!
However, my voice and kazoo are registered with the police as lethal weapons.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: JedMarum
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 12:07 PM

attempts a translation of Jeri's message:

"Plot going well. Soon they will come and bring different politicians, Canadian musicians and beer. They will remove all MacDonald's and replace them with gravy and chips stands. Just keep pretending it wasn't our idea."

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Cara
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 12:32 PM

I read an article in the Washington Post this weekend discussing a trip to Victoria, B.C. The author described sitting in a tea shoppe and being startled when a deranged individual at a nearby table started suddenly shouting to himself and dashed something breakable to the floor. She says (paraphrasing) 'The loud noise made me jump, but then I realized that I wasn't in America, and therefore he very likely wasn't armed. I relaxed and went back to my tea.'

Funny, but sad, but true. Good self control on this thread so far folks! (she said, patting herself on the back encouragingly)

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 01:12 PM

Oh, please, who ever you are, please please please come and destroy all accordions, melodeons and McDonalds - I can't concentrate on this thread for the other half downstairs practising one of the 8 he has in the house, and the living room floor goes crunch underfoot as yet another plastic windup Disney thing bites the dust. I'll even help - I'm a better shot than he is, and with fixed bayonets we can take out the bellows as well!!

If only there was an amnesty for melodeons....

Incidentaly, as an historian (well, I worked in a military museum for 2 years) the indescriminate destruction of all handgun turned into the police in 1987/1988 in the UK resulted in the loss of several very valuable pieces, and no one even bothered with the ammunition, some of which was turned into the museum, live and potentially lethal without even needing the WW1 pistol it originally filled... That was a jolly day in the castle I can tell you!

Liz the Squeak

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: kendall
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 01:59 PM

No I dont mean to imply that all gun owners are knuckle draggers, only the ones who insist that they have a right to own any kind of firearm they want, and that right is protected by the second half of the 2nd amendment.. ( They never bother with the first half.) By the way, that same NRA garbage is on again today.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: JedMarum
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 02:17 PM

kendall - thanks for the clarification, even though I spoke half in jest! By the way, I agree that the NRA has their share of knuckle draggers.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: lamarca
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 02:29 PM

When Melodeons Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have Melodeons

You'll Get My Melodeon When You Pry My Cold, Dead Fingers From Its Keys

This Vehicle Protected By Hohner doesn't have quite the same ring as "Smith and Wesson"

My Wife, Yes
My Dog, Maybe
My Melodeon, NEVER!

Somehow, I don't think there's a bright future for NBA bumper stickers (that's National Bellows Association). A good thing Our Founding Fathers and the Framers didn't come up with:

"A well regulated Melodeon, being necessary to the security of a Free Reed, the right of the people to keep and bear Accordions, shall not be infringed.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 03:50 PM

Sure there is Lamarca:

(OP*)Washington, D.C. -The NBA, National Bellows Association blew another secret enclave in Iraq today, believed to be the hiding place of Ronald McDonald, after he fled his country of origin, the USA, and closed all of his restaurants, in fear of being blown to death by the NBA's militant Melodeon Resistance League. The MRL was led by Liz the Squeak, aka the Toy Stomper. She had this to say, "Even though I, myself, care not for the bellowing of a well-aimed melodeon, I do support everyone's right to arm themselves and to help with the Resistance,so long as they are licensed properly and well trained in its safe use.

Handing round ear muffs for those not used to the deafening retorts during a short demonstration, she then her colleague, Chief of Public Relations Lamarca, who it was revealed late yesterday, was also known in certain espionage circles as Flamingo Flora. Ms. Lamarca outlined their latest publicity campaign with examples of new slogans. Attendees of the rally rushed to get their bumper stickers and started yelling

"What do we want?
Melodeon freedom!
When do we want it?
NOW!"

Counterprotesters, apparently appalled and at a loss as to what to feed their children, marched in a desulatory fashion outside police barricades. Carrying signs espousing their right to choose fast food, they wore especially pained expressions on their faces during the MRL's bellowing demo. Many of their children were crying,losing their coats as their parents tugged at them to stagger on. Several appeared to be quite hungry. A few clutched what appeared to be pathetic remnants of McDonald's cheap plastic relics. Most of them had no plug protection for their ears. One woman was taken away in an ambulance, after grabbing her ears and shrieking in terror.

The NBA and the MRL vowed to continue their campaign for freedom. They refused to comment when asked if their next target was to be chip stands in Canada.

*just a little plug for my real OoBraughLoo Press:-)

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Melodeon
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 04:08 PM

Most types of guns were banned here in the UK after the indiscriminate killing of 15 five year olds in Dunblane a couple of years ago. Yes it curtailed some peoples' freedom to own guns but then one has to ask how many others have been given the freedom to carry on living as a result. I have tried very hard not to use emotive language in this posting even though it is something I feel particularly strongly about. I did not even allow my kids to play with toy guns when they were small. I hope the police over here continue to resist the calls for them to be armed because I firmly believe the number of killings will soar. When will they ever learn?

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: JedMarum
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 04:26 PM

harkening back to another, equally intersting thread; when will we ever learn!

;-)

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: kendall
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 04:35 PM

No I dont mean to imply that all gun owners are knuckle draggers, only the ones who insist that they have a right to own any kind of firearm they want, and that right is protected by the second half of the 2nd amendment.. ( They never bother with the first half.) By the way, that same NRA garbage is on again today.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 04:43 PM

Melodeon, the restraint in this thread has been exemplary. There are several of us who still feel a little shell shocked, if you'll pardon the expression, over some very tough debates, sometimes acrimonius, we had on this subject last Spring. The search was taking too long when I went looking for thir titles, but one was My Little Armalite. Even now I don't like to think of it. You could go back and read them; there was another, Song for Colorado's Victims, which had one or two spin-offs regarding gun control. Most of those would be found back in May, although I think the first, MLA, started in March. It was difficult for us all. I would ask anyone who reads them to please not refresh them by posting to them. If you feeel the need to say more, well, maybe there would be a better place for it. I just know a lot of us would be dismayed to see those threads brought up, again.

As for my last posting, I meant no offense to anyone who plays the melodeon or any other reed instrument. I love their sounds. Was justpoking some fun.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 04:44 PM

Actually, I've always figured that if you were lucky enough to live somewhere pretty safe, you hardly ever even think of guns. If you ain't so lucky..then self-protection is a lot higher on your list of priorities. I've been target shooting a couple of times and to my infinite surprise was really good at it. Couldn't kill a squirrel though. Guess if I lived in the country I'd probably feel differently about it. My BIG complaint about the video was the voice overs deliberately not being connected to what was being shown. Most of my folky friends here would think I was nuts, but I DON'T think all NRA members are knuckle draggers. I just think that until there is serious compromise on the automatic weapons issue, that perception will continue. When I was 18, much of life was "black and white".."right and wrong" to me. Today there's a lot more grey. But even if you're an NRA supporter, surely the autographed silver bullet can make you laugh!

Thanks my friends for the intelligent feed back.

Rick

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 04:50 PM

Rick, do ya 'psose he uses his chiseled chin to autograph with? katwithtongueincheek

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: CameronAgain
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 04:57 PM

You can all relax. The invasion has been called off. If you notice someone hainging around every street corner playing an accordion or a fiddle, it's probably just a coincidence.

By the way Liz, my (Canadian) brother the gun nut has just had his contract with the Canadian War Museum renewed--because of the new registration laws, they had to go through their whole poorly documented firearm collection and catalogue it all--a windfall for him and useful for the museum.

Naturally, he hates the new law, for the same reasons you cited, among others (loss of valuable collectibles). "And what about bullet collectors?" he asked me point blank.

"Yeah, who cares about them?" i replied wittily. ya can't please everyone. Well, gotta go check on my collections of plague viruses and bio-electrical Internet transmittable germs....quite valuable, you should see the offers I'm getting from certain individuals of indistinct nationality and political persuasions....

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: lamarca
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 05:06 PM

Serious response, after my flippancy above - it is very hard for me to watch deceptively made programs, whatever the cause they are espousing. Political speeches that distort the opposition opinion in order to make it easier to rile folks against it use one of the oldest techniques in the book, and it sickens me when it works.

It used to take just misquoting or selectively quoting inopportune statements by the opposition to do this, but in these days of precision-splicing and computer-massaged video and audio, the opportunities for misrepresentation and out-right fraud are frightening. It seems to me that the use of such misdirection - showing film clips of one activity labelled as another, etc., demonstrate that the side that uses them CAN'T count on logical, well-reasoned arguments to support their viewpoint. But the techniques will still work unless the organization or candidate using them are called on it.

We're probably mostly preaching to the converted here about gun control (although there's one member of our local folk group who supports the "right" to own automatic weapons "because they're fun..." - he's a somewhat emotionally- and maturity-challenged young man, IMO). But the thing that bothers me the most about the "infomercial" that Rick's describing is wondering whether many folks viewing it have the ability or education to recognize the distortions it is showing. And who on the gun-control side has the money, integrity and clout to make one to show the opposing view - WITHOUT resorting to the same kind of distortions.

It is disheartening to me that it is far easier to raise money and support by appealing to the extremes of people's fears and prejudices, whether liberal or conservative, than it is to appeal to their intelligence and better natures. I don't know why they call it "common" sense, when all too few people seem to have it...

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 12:04 AM

Spot on Mary. Of course the majority of folks watching it would neither suspect nor care that the NRA are mis-representing totally the way the huge majority in these other countries feel about gun totin'. I'm afraid that not too many people question wrestling, televangelism, politically expedient speeches, or even Presidential adultery excuses, for that matter. Too bad.
Of course we Mudcatters are used to questioning things!

Rick

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: JedMarum
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 08:57 AM

Good thread, Rick. Good comments, y'all.

It's a funny thing that I often end up arguing in support the current US gun laws. I am not an owner of firearms, and may never be (I do have an interest in learning to use a handgun at the local shooting range, but have never gotten around to it). I can never understand why a typical US citizen would want to own an automatic weapon. I think the para-military types are often 'on the fringe' types (there I go generalizing), and I know firearms are too often found in the hands of the totally irresponsible individuals. But it is legal and constitutional to attempt to regulate firearm safety in the manner we regulate the safety of other dangerous devices. Seat belts for cars, helmets for motrocycles, health standards for food preparation, etc. To pass these regs, we had to fight and win battles against large powerful lobbies.

I think firearm legislation will be an interesting area to watch in US politics over the coming decades.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 12:01 PM

Katlaughing - you are a strange person, we will get on famously.. But I don't deliberately stomp toys, there are just so many of them, it's like trying not to stand on the cracks of pavements when they are made of those cute little squiggly sided bricks. Not that we eat a lot of McDonalds (well I don't, my 3 yr old daughter usually steals most of it) but I'm sure these damned toys breed in the bottom of the toy box. The latest Tarzan stuff is plain weird - a big frilly drip of a girl who won't move without three magnetic monkeys stuck to her butt, and a guy with long hair and arms that beat his chest, standing on a bit of rainforest with a chopped off tree trunk, all on wheels. Edgar Rice Burroughs would be gyrating in his mausoleum...... I'm actually very fond of the filet fish, they were the only thing I could eat during 6 months of morning sickness (for morning, read also noon and night) and I'm partial to their potato wedges. I just have this thing about those innumerable bl**dy toys...

Cameronagain, you should be strapped to a chair and forced to listen to piano accordion music for an hour (any longer and we break the Geneva Convention) for that dreadful point blank pun.

Lamarca ..... I'm hearing you sibling, when shall we march on the Castelligari works? I'm free next Thursday...

Liz the Squeak

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: JedMarum
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 12:10 PM

Liz the Squeek (cool name) I remember toys on the floor ... and multiplying in the toy box ... seems like yesterday, but it's been many years!

... and make no apologies for Mickey Dees! Their fishburgers are great, and ya can't beat the fries! No, if they could make 'em 'steal proof' I'd be happier.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Tony Burns
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 12:35 PM

Some Mudders will find the Violence Policy Center site interesting.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Fortunato
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 02:18 PM

The NRA's specious arguments and IMHO misleading propaganda are to be expected. That the gun manufacturer's own (contribute heavily to) the NRA is clear. Colt and Browning, et al, are legally free to make their contributions. And since any restriction to the sale and ownership of guns is seen by the gun manufacturers as a potential threat to profits we get this manure on our TV screens. OK. It's a free country. What grip's my hind parts are the politicians that hunker down at the NRA trough and then cry "Constitutional Right".

Slop the hogs, NRA, and take those AK47s deer hunting.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 03:15 PM

Tony, thanks for the link. Looks interesting, possible material for yet another op/ed piece, esp. if I want all the Wyoming *hunters* to come after me, loaded!

LiztS, okay, okay, we'll change it to Liz the Squeek aka She Who Walks....on plastic!**big grin**. Love your description of the latest toys; doncha love the planned obsolescence?

While I am convinced McDonald's will someday be exposed for whatever addictive additive they use, ala the nicotine industry, just want you all to know: LIFE IS POSSIBLE WITHOUT MICKY DEES! And, you'll feel better, too! Tons of fat, tons of carbohydrates, which your bod will always burn BEFORE it burns any fat, plus zillions of calories, as well as the carbonated drinks that rob women's bones of their calcium, thus contributing to osteoporosis later on, all add up to BAD NEWS for your health that you pay someone to do to you! Sorry, I am a bit of a fanatic about it. I see McD's as part of the overall dumbing down and abdication of responsiblity in America....along with the NRA.*BG*

Oh, and....Support Your Right to Arm Bears, and Wolves, and Prairie Dogs, and Foxes, and all four-leggeds and winged critters!

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: Fortunato
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 03:24 PM

Kat OK. Arm Bears, and Wolves, and Prairie Dogs, and Foxes, and all four-leggeds and winged critters! But they can only kill the hunters they're going to eat.

Subject: RE: Y2K - The N.R.A. in Oz, Can., & G.B.
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 05:51 PM

EEeeewww! Fortunato! I don't think I'd wish that on any animal!*g* Naw, they'd just be doing us a favour, culling out the herd of 6 billion and counting, to prevent starvation in the cold winters, doncha know? NOI to you hunters out there!

Oh, and I was reminded by another, I forgot to include those critters of the sea, esp. whales and dolphins whose biggest enemy is humankind (which seems like a misnomer in general, human...kind? Selectively, yes, collectively, rarely without strings attached, present company excepted.