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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 04:57 PM

Keith A of Hertford set off already on his travels with his spouse.
Wishing him fair winds, following seas, and many pleasant and peaceful moments.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 06:03 AM

Judging by this weeks Brexit speech the new year message was just empty words after all. Ah well. Disappointed but not in the least bit surprised. :-(

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jan 17 - 06:08 AM

Only one spouting, Jim, but he has some supporters :-(

D.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jan 17 - 05:24 AM

"All the LGBT people I have met have been kind and considerate of others"
Tre - but bad apples in every barrel
"Some on here"
I've only noticed one - the disease appears not to have spread
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jan 17 - 05:14 AM

I doubt it, Jim. All the LGBT people I have met have been kind and considerate of others. A far cry from some on here!

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 08:06 PM

"Does it make you feel any better to demonise homosexuals all the time?"
LATENT HOMOSEXUAL DENIAL Dave - a known mental condition brought about by staying in closets for too long
Thought you might have worked that out
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 04:17 PM

But such a bill was not 'thrown out by parliament' was it ake?

The Bill to extend civil partnerships to mixed-sex couples was debated in parliament today (Friday 13th January) but ran out of time before a vote could be taken. In response to the debate Equal Civil Partnerships Campaign Manager Matt Hawkins said:

"In today's debate MPs from across the political divide spoke passionately – and almost unanimously – in favour of giving mixed-sex couples the right to get a civil partnership. MPs on all sides were in agreement that is the right, popular, and positive thing to do. Change will come – no matter how many minor administrative obstacles the government chooses to raise in objection: couples who have waited years for legal and protection financial protection are unlikely to be swayed by an argument about the number of textual amendments law makers will need to make just to give them the rights they seek and deserve. With over 71000 signatories on our petition for equal civil partnerships and MPs from every party backing our cause, we are confident that we will win through."

The Bill will return to parliament on 24th March.


But don't let little things like facts get in the way of your fantasies. And let us look a bit more closely about how this came about. It was because for many years gay marriage was not possible so a civil partnership was an alternative. That option was already available to mixed sex couples as common law marriage and the official ceremony was simply to formalise the arrangement. Your nonsense about homosexuals having more rights than heterosexuals was just that. Nonsense.

Does it make you feel any better to demonise homosexuals all the time?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 03:39 PM

You are not often right Dave, but you're wrong again.


Hetero civil partnerships in the UK


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 12:33 PM

"I am not in the slightest racist"
As far is racism is concerned you let others espouse it and then support it from the sidelines
Every bit as racist, whichever position you adopt
Forcing refugees to wear identification insignia is classic racism, even compared with the Jewish Yellow stars by the gutter press - supported by you
"yet to hear one coherent response in favour of homosexual "marriage""
Try the law, you friggin' homophobic dinaosaur - lets not forget your "gay plague" filth
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 12:33 PM

I would be careful of believing all that ake puts, Dick. Heterosexuals have had the right to civil unions by marrying in a registry office for many years. There are also equal rights for anyone co-habiting rather than marrying and the recent alignment for same sex partners has merely brought the law into the 21st century. Homosexuals do not have 'more rights' than heterosexuals in this country and are never likely to.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 12:27 PM

Good Soldier, the anomaly has nothing to do with "equality", which is a complete myth in any case.....but more to do with "liberal" ideology and political power through the support of minorities.
If such a thing as "equality" existed the whole country would be up in arms over the dismissal of the Hetero Civil rights issue. I t affects millions more than the Homosexual "marriage" legislation and discriminates against them severely.

Where are all the people who allege homophobia now? Where are their strongly held beliefs on equality .....they are silent and will remain silent lest the truth shines out, that equality only applies to prescribed sections of society.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 12:13 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: akenaton - PM
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 03:57 AM

Don't expect me to join you in your "last tango" Dave.
I have no need to justify my views on homosexuality or racism, to this forum, I have done that for an exceedingly long time and explained my position fully.

I am not in the slightest racist and have yet to hear one coherent response in favour of homosexual "marriage", which does not improve equality but discriminates against heterosexuals.

Last week, a bill to provide Civil Union to heteros who do not wish to marry was thrown out by parliament. this of course means that homosexuals have more civil rights than heteros.
Why no outcry from "liberals" on this extremely important issue which affects many more people than the Homosexual marriage legislation?"

I agree that people should have equal rights regardless of their sexual inclinations, presumably transgender people do not have the same rights as homosexuals either.
this is probably because there are more homosexuals than transgenders in parliament, politicians apart from being corrupt tend to look after their own interests.
the uk parliament has been very good at losing dossiers on paedophiles and protecting the likes of cyril smith and greville janner,
    edward heath made jimmy saville a peer, could he have been looking after his own?we will never know because it will be hushed up, it appears that Harold Wilson, WAS NOT going to make him a peer, Heath took over and he became sir jimmy, what happened to the boys that allegedly disappeared off Heaths yacht, are they still missing?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 12:12 PM

I remember a song called 'Life's too short for chess'. Possibly the guy who played piano on 'That's Life'. Can't remember his name without asking Mr Google.

Richard Stilgoe - That's the chap. Can't see if it was him that sang it though.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 11:45 AM

Everything comes to he wo waits Dave
Fancy a game of chess?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 11:44 AM

...in fairness, Keith has told us he is on holiday so the last remark is not aimed at him ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 11:43 AM

I feel a Star Trek moment coming on.

It's quiet, Jim. Too quiet...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 07:01 AM

You now appear to be claiming that many people are now saying that all Pakistanis are culturally implanted to rape children
Can you provide examples please?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 06:42 AM

Number was or numbers were. Either of those, but not my original. 😳


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 06:28 AM

"Jim, all those people quoted ascribed the offending to aspects of culture, and many more have in the six years since we had that discussion."
None have - you produced none and its the most extreme racist statement ever made on this forum
You are an extreme racist - end of story
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 06:27 AM

I went to a Catholic all-boys school in Bolton. At that time, the numbers of migrants from Pakistan in Bolton was rising rapidly. When I think back, my school was infested by racism, antisemitism, homophobia and misogyny and the staff, mainly priests and brothers, were either complicit in the prejudices or ignorant of them. No-one was ever castigated for referring to Pakis, niggers, yids, puffs, queers, tarts or slappers. Your achievements with girls were measured by the amount of bragging you could do about which parts of their anatomy you'd managed to lay your hands on, etc. Seven years of that would corrupt the most saintly of us. It takes a lot of mixing with good people and a lot of wrist-slapping and reflection to extirpate those prejudices. In fact, you have to fight it all your life, which doesn't mean you have to carry the PC dictionary around in your head but you do have to do a lot of antenna-tweaking. Some people never make it. One or two post here, unfortunately. They usually flag themselves by the sniping nature of their posts, their inability to develop an argument and their intent on winning at all costs, even if that involves ditching rational behaviour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 05:14 AM

I have just explained my position in the post just before yours, Keith. You can either accept it or not. It does not matter one bit to me and I do not feel the need for any last word.

I do hope you and your wife have a wonderful holiday.

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 05:07 AM

Dave, to me and I am sure everyone else here, being a "racist, homophobic, bigot" would be evil.

Jim, all those people quoted ascribed the offending to aspects of culture, and many more have in the six years since we had that discussion.
Culture effects us all to an extent, but I was at pains to state that only a tiny minority were effected by this.

I am now taking my dear wife on a long awaited and much deserved holiday, and I am not taking this shit with me.
I give you the last word.
Do your worst,
keith.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 04:57 AM

Racism is evil but that does not make all racists evil - some certainly are.

That is exactly what I have been trying to get across. Thanks Jim. To some on here it seems that if you call someone a racist you are branding them as the devil incarnate. I do not believe that. Most people have a certain level of 'ism' be that related to sex, race or creed. We cannot help it. It is part of the human condition. What most people do though is resist the temptation to act on it. It is working and as new generations grow the 'isms' are being diluted and eventualy they will be all but a memory. I hope!

What politicians like Farage and newspapers like the Mail do is pander to those base instincts and, while they are not evil in themselves, they can bring forth evil in those who are particularly unstable such as Thomas Mair. The human psyche is a very complex and often vulnerable thing that cannot be categorised as wholly good or wholly evil. It is perfectly possible for a good person to commit acts of evil or an evil person to do some good. We cannot, therefore, dismiss a person as being evil but we can condemn any evil acts they commit and try to set them on the right path.

It is bloody hard work at times though ;-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 04:30 AM

So - there we have it Keith
Once again you refuse to produce your so-called examples of people who have claimed that all male Pakistanis are culturally implanted to have sex with underage girls
They don't exist - no public person has ever made such a horrendous statement and you have never produced an example of the ever having done so - it is totally all your own work.
Even it were true, it would still be a profoundly racist statement
What you are claiming that you hold such a racist view (it is obvious you still do) because a small handful of totally unknown (up to this subject being raised) individuals and a politician, told you it was true that all male Pakistanis are implanted to rape children by their culture - no research, no survey figures, no documented evidence, no qualifications of any of the individuals concerned in the field of cultural or religious science, no overall expertise - just a claimed opinion that you refuse to share with the rest of us.
And you dare to hold two threads to ransom on the obvious racism of Ukip and Farage
Utterly and completely insane!!
Ake
Racism is evil but that does not make all racists evil - some certainly are.
It is estimated that one third of the British people could possibly hold racist views and have expressed those views at one time or another - that does not make them evil, it makes them misled.
You have recently joined the ranks of being a racist by supporting Keith's claim that all male Pakistanis..... etc - you are supporting a profoundly racist statement.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 04:21 AM

Dave, I don't particularly care what you think of me, I come here for discussion of important subjects, to learn and to hear other views.
So rest easy I don't lose any sleep over any personal nonsense ON this forum.

Oh damn, I didn't notice that the band had stopped......I suppose that's us eliminated?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 04:09 AM

And there you go again only quoting part of what I put. The full quote is Ake, I also believe that you are a racist, homophobic bigot. But I do not believe that you are evil. Can you prove me wrong on either count?

Now, why did you miss out the 'I do not believe you are evil' bit? Was it so you could write 'There you go believing evil of a fellow man without any evidence.'? Misrepresentation is not a very Christian thing to do either is it?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 03:57 AM

Don't expect me to join you in your "last tango" Dave.
I have no need to justify my views on homosexuality or racism, to this forum, I have done that for an exceedingly long time and explained my position fully.

I am not in the slightest racist and have yet to hear one coherent response in favour of homosexual "marriage", which does not improve equality but discriminates against heterosexuals.

Last week, a bill to provide Civil Union to heteros who do not wish to marry was thrown out by parliament. this of course means that homosexuals have more civil rights than heteros.
Why no outcry from "liberals" on this extremely important issue which affects many more people than the Homosexual marriage legislation?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 03:48 AM

Jim,
you lied - they said no such thing

I do not lie.
They all ascribed the offending to aspects of the culture, and culture effects us all to some degree.

So would I, Keith, but the fact remains that I have never called anyone evil.

You call them racist which is evil.

Steve,
He wanted to do away with the reciprocal agreements with EU countries
No he did not.

He wanted to refuse treatment for HIV sufferers whether or not they had EXPRESSLY travelled here for treatment

No. He just questioned that NHS should pay for it.

he wanted EU citizens who can come to this country at present and receive the same NHS healthcare as everyone else to be forced to take out five years of private health insurance, blatant discrimination against poorer citizens.

No. He did not specify EU vistors. Many have a reciprocal arrangement anyway.
He said all visitors should have health insurance, and that would include EU visitors without an arrangement.

Dave, I am glad you now agree that racism is evil.
Re forgiveness, Is that not what you Christians preach, Keith?

Yes it is. Also a Christian would not believe evil of his fellow man without firm evidence, unlike you.


Ake, I also believe that you are a racist, homophobic bigot.


There you go believing evil of a fellow man without any evidence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 06:41 PM

what happened to the Jews in Germany is now happening to the Arabs in Israel

A blatant anti-Semitic lie - thank you for once again showing your colours.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 04:23 PM

Ake, I also believe that you are a racist, homophobic bigot. But I do not believe that you are evil. Can you prove me wrong on either count?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 04:10 PM

Out of interest, I do believe that racism and hate are evil. I would denounce them at every opportunity. Yet I also believe that people who hate others because of racist views are not beyond redemption and not necessarily evil people. Just misguided. I am happy to speak to them of the error of their ways and forgive them. Is that not what you Christians preach, Keith?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 04:10 PM

You said racism is evil and Mr Farage is a racist, yet you claim to think Mr Farage is not evil?

Pin dancer in chief :0)? not really, just wriggly disingenuous troll.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 04:05 PM

Irrelevant, Keith and you know it. Farage's proposals are within the context of the situation apropos of the EU. Your remarks are not. His remarks were made during the referendum campaign. He wanted to do away with the reciprocal agreements with EU countries He wanted to refuse treatment for HIV sufferers whether or not they had EXPRESSLY travelled here for treatment. he wanted EU citizens who can come to this country at present and receive the same NHS healthcare as everyone else to be forced to take out five years of private health insurance, blatant discrimination against poorer citizens. Stick to the point and stop trying to defend that absolute arsehole.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 03:38 PM

No. I think racism is evil, and I am sure that all here would agree

So would I, Keith, but the fact remains that I have never called anyone evil. You have not found any evidence of me doing so because there is none. Have you found any yet? Yet you said I did just that. Did you lie?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 02:59 PM

"In your first quote I say I believe what all those people say." - you lied - they said no such thing and you have consistently refused to produce anybody saying it, as you will now.
You lied then - you are lying now.
It doesn't matter anyway - anybody who claims an entire people is prone to having sex with underage girls because of their culture is a raving mad racist anyway - feckin' certifiable.
I've just been watching Holocaust Day The Antiques Roadshow which has displayed a boardgame designed by the Nazis to teach children to hate Jews - your appalling statement does just that for hating Muslims - absolute filth!
You denied saying it - you lied
Now you are telling us why you said it and are lying about that
To describe an entire people as having to suppress their culture to prevent themselves from raping children is obscene.
Now you are joined by another madman equally [prepared to defend such behaviour - two of a kind
Produce your quotes and you might reduce your sentence a little - don't and learn to serve your time.
Jim Carroll
By the way - another programme is now showing that what happened to the Jews in Germany is now happening to the Arabs in Israel


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 02:57 PM

Dave,
Can you not see the difference?

No. I think racism is evil, and I am sure that all here would agree.

At least you agree that we speak a different language and have different moralities now.

Yes. I think racism evil, but you don't.

My morality prevents me believing evil (including racism) of anyone without firm evidence, but yours does.

And yes, the planetary challenge was not serious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 02:50 PM

there could be umpteen reasons behind it and all of them are as valid as the one put forward by Keith.

I put forward no theory.
I said I believed the theory held all those people (and many more since including judges) that aspects of culture were behind it.

I know nothing about the culture myself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 02:46 PM

To call someone a 'paki' or a 'nigger' is racist.
To kill someone for being a Pakistani or for being black is evil.
The vast majority of racists belong in the former class. Evil people belong in the second.

Can you not see the difference?

At least you agree that we speak a different language and have different moralities now. I will try to reason with a racist. I suspect anyone who is really evil is past reason.

The other measure of us speaking a different language is your insistence that we inhabit the same piece of pock. Do you not understand metaphors? Have you never used a figure of speech yourself?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 02:37 PM

Why are you asking me, ake? I have not commented on that. Are you losing your marbles as well?

But seeing as you ask, I did point out, when it was going on, that there could well be other explanations for the perpetrators of these crimes seemingly being British Pakistani males. That the papers are reporting those crimes more than others is one. That the police are targeting that ethnic group is another. That that particular ethnic group is better at policing itself that others and ensures better co-operation with police is a third while moving the blame onto that cultural group by other perpetrators is yet another. There could be umpteen reasons behind it and all of them are as valid as the one put forward by Keith. And parroted by you.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 02:33 PM

Dave, I suspect that you are alone here in not thinking racism evil.
If you do not think racism evil then I accept that we have a language discrepancy between us, as well as the morality discrepancy that I described.

Planet wise, we remain cohabitants. Where do you think we live?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 02:25 PM

You are also disingenuous Dave, I was pointing out that Keith was repeating the words of an interview group containing prominent Muslims who suggested that the child rapes were influenced by the culture of young Pakistani Muslim men........Do you now accept that contention?   If not please explain the fact that almost all of these "grooming" crimes were committed by Pakistani Muslim males.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 02:25 PM

Steve, sorry but I could only find this reported in the Mail.

"Foreigners will be banned from entering Britain unless they have health insurance, under Ukip plans announced today."

"A flagship policy will be forcing migrants, students and visitors to show they have approved medical insurance before they are allowed into Britain as part of the crackdown on 'health tourism'.
The party's health spokesman Louise Bours will claim the move will stop up to £2billion being lost every year because of foreigners using the NHS to get treatment or prescriptions."

Everyone travelling abroad should have medical insurance.

The current situation,

Pay for UK healthcare as part of your immigration application.

You may need to pay a healthcare surcharge (called the 'immigration health surcharge' or IHS) as part of your immigration application.
If you're applying online or through the premium service centre, you'll pay the surcharge as part of your application or when you book an appointment.
If you're applying by post, you must pay the healthcare surcharge online before you send your application - you'll need to include the IHS reference number on your application form.
Your information will be shared with the National Health Service (NHS) in England if:
you've paid the healthcare surcharge (or are exempt from paying it)
your visa or immigration application is granted
You'll then be able to use the NHS. You'll still need to pay for certain types of services, eg prescriptions, dental treatment and eye tests.
You should bring your biometric residence permit with you when you access healthcare in the UK.
Visitor visas and short-term visas
You don't have to pay the healthcare surcharge if you're applying from outside the UK for a visitor visa or any visa that lasts 6 months or less.
You don't need to use the healthcare surcharge service or get an IHS reference number for your visa application. Instead, you'll have to pay for any healthcare you get through the NHS at the point you use it.

https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/overview


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 02:24 PM

but I will not believe evil of my fellow man without firm evidence.

Did we not go through this just a few hours ago Keith? Is your memory really that bad or are you just trying to ignore the facts? I will not believe evil of my fellow men without evidence either. I believe Farage is a racist twat but evil is something else.

Different moralities. Different language. Different planet.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 02:09 PM

Dave,
Now, where have I actually said that anyone was evil?

You say that Farage and UKIP are racist. Racism is not politics.
Being racist is evil.

If they are racist I join you in condemning and vilifying them, but I will not believe evil of my fellow man without firm evidence.
That is the difference between our moralities Dave.

Steve, if health costs are covered by reciprocal arrangements there is no issue.
Otherwise foreign nationals are not entitled to free NHS treatment.
Asylum seekers are currently granted free treatment and no-one has suggested that should stop. Just that it should not come from the NHS budget. Agree or disagree with it, but it is a valid, economic argument and not a racist one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 01:58 PM

Jim,
In your first quote I say I believe what all those people say.
I believe them because they are from that culture, or are Labour MPs with a large community from that culture.

They know about it. I do not even claim to.
Why not quote what I told Don I do not claim?

In your second quote and third quote, what is it you object to?
Nothing there supports your lying smears against me.

Farage is a racist, you are a racist for supporting him

I have not supported him. I just asked that you justify your accusations against him, but you can't.

and for what you have said on this forum about other races

I have never said anything about any race, liar.
Prove me wrong, liar.
Quote me doing what you claim, liar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 01:49 PM

Oh, and seeing as you declined to accept my offer of an olive branch, is it now OK to tell you to fuck off?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 01:48 PM

I believe that Farage is racist and a twat but to declare someone is evil because of their political beliefs is even beyond you surely, ake? Your argument that because he is a racist he must be evil is as flawed as your belief that because someone is homosexual they must be a pervert.

This is what this whole thread was about. I delivered the proposition that Theresa may (no pun intended) be starting to show that the Tory party, under her leadership, can change. I know I may be in conflict with some of my friends on here for that proposition but it is early days and she has yet to prove herself.

That you think I am trolling is entirely irrelevant. It has already been pointed out that it is you that display the traits of an internet troll. Also, as has already been pointed out, you have not contributed an original thought to any thread for a long time and can only seem to cheer others on from the sidelines. I am not sure what else that makes you.

I repeat, Farage is, in my opinion, a racist twat, but evil? Nah, too many people can see through him and he is too conceited to be a real threat. He is no Hitler no matter how much he aspires to be.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 11:33 AM

Christ, what's wrong with you Dave?   We are all agreed that racism is evil.....you contend that Mr Farage is a racist....therefore you must think he is evil for holding racist views.    Can you never stop your pin dancing? It is indeed a form of trolling.

There has been no evidence submitted that either Keith or Mr Farage are racists.
I remember the thread in question and Keith was repeating the views of those who had been interviewed by the Times......including the views of prominent Muslims. These people said that the culture of young Pakistani men contributed to the problem of sexual abuse of young girls.

That seems undeniable as the crimes were committed almost exclusively by young Pakistani Muslim men.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 09:41 AM

Yes Dave. You have said they are racist. That is evil.

Different moralities. Different language. Different planet.

Now, where have I actually said that anyone was evil? Produce the quote. Give me some evidence or shall we just say it was made up shit? Good luck with that :-)

Racism is a plague and unpleasant. Evil goes beyond that.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 09:34 AM

When I go to an EU country my EHIC card covers me as if I was a national of that country. A reciprocal arrangement, Keith. UK nationals living in or retiring to, for example, Spain, can normally expect to be treated in exactly the same way as a Spanish national and that is also reciprocal. Travelling to countries expressly for treatment may not be covered. But that isn't what Farage meant, as otherwise he wouldn't have had to say it. He means all health care for five years and nothing for AIDS sufferers, even if they didn't come here expressly for treatment. Great if you're rich. Shitty and unaffordable if you're poor. Discrimination, Keith. At the moment anyone who is ordinarily resident in this country can use the NHS the same as everybody else regardless of nationality and how long they've been here. If you've never been here, arrive by parachute and break your ankle on landing, you'll get exactly the same primary care for free as everyone else. Remove your blinkers and THINK about the implications of Farage's proposition. Farage planned that speech carefully with his spin doctors and knew exactly what sentiments he was appealing to. And so do you. Admit it.


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