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BS: The Alternative Facts Thread

Donuel 24 Feb 17 - 08:42 PM
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Donuel 24 Feb 17 - 07:35 PM
Greg F. 24 Feb 17 - 05:19 PM
Donuel 24 Feb 17 - 04:10 PM
Greg F. 23 Feb 17 - 05:06 PM
Donuel 23 Feb 17 - 02:25 PM
Stu 23 Feb 17 - 11:18 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Feb 17 - 11:07 AM
Greg F. 23 Feb 17 - 10:52 AM
Stu 23 Feb 17 - 10:45 AM
Stu 23 Feb 17 - 10:40 AM
Donuel 23 Feb 17 - 10:37 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Feb 17 - 10:33 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 17 - 10:29 AM
Stu 23 Feb 17 - 10:27 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 17 - 10:15 AM
Greg F. 23 Feb 17 - 09:43 AM
Stu 23 Feb 17 - 09:22 AM
Greg F. 23 Feb 17 - 09:11 AM
akenaton 23 Feb 17 - 03:30 AM
Greg F. 22 Feb 17 - 09:00 PM
Jim Carroll 22 Feb 17 - 07:32 PM
Teribus 22 Feb 17 - 07:04 PM
Steve Shaw 22 Feb 17 - 06:34 PM
Teribus 22 Feb 17 - 05:58 PM
Raggytash 22 Feb 17 - 12:20 PM
Steve Shaw 22 Feb 17 - 11:33 AM
Stu 22 Feb 17 - 11:27 AM
Greg F. 22 Feb 17 - 11:23 AM
akenaton 22 Feb 17 - 10:54 AM
Greg F. 22 Feb 17 - 10:38 AM
Vashta Nerada 22 Feb 17 - 10:34 AM
Donuel 22 Feb 17 - 10:06 AM
Greg F. 22 Feb 17 - 09:24 AM
Stu 22 Feb 17 - 05:52 AM
Iains 22 Feb 17 - 05:30 AM
Steve Shaw 22 Feb 17 - 04:28 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Feb 17 - 04:23 AM
Iains 22 Feb 17 - 04:03 AM
Steve Shaw 22 Feb 17 - 03:54 AM
akenaton 22 Feb 17 - 03:42 AM
Iains 22 Feb 17 - 03:41 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Feb 17 - 03:28 AM
akenaton 22 Feb 17 - 02:36 AM
Joe Offer 22 Feb 17 - 01:46 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 08:42 PM

I represent only the people who voted for ME

The White Ethno-State designed by Bannon is the new Republicanism. They are even the new CPAC.


BARAK OBAMA WAS WRONG

Donald Trump is ideological.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 07:44 PM

Nobody is more unanti semetic than me
No one tells the truth more than me
CNN is terrible They are fake news.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 07:35 PM

I didn't think there was an accusation of plagiarism but I am sensitive about the issue since school when a baseless accusation was made over my creative writing that followed me for years.

It was a tract written without spaces. You had to mentally make your own spaces but the trick was if you started from the first letter you read one story but if you started from the fourth letter it was an entirely different story. It was a very time consuming and intensive work that turned to ashes in my mouth.

I do not think that form of writing even exists in English so how could I have plagiarized? Perhaps my verbal expression did not match my writing. Nothing was known of dyslexia back then.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 05:19 PM

Ah yes! "Outside agitators". Trump must have got that from Nathan Bedford Sessions - he's probably nostalgic for 1963.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 04:10 PM

We are all betraying traitors,
outside agitators
and infiltrators

according to Trump
if you protest.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 05:06 PM

YIKES! Donuel, last thing I meant to imply was plagiarism - was offering support from another source.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 02:25 PM

I swear to god I have never seen those words, nor did I plagiarize.

Although I could use a rewrite.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 11:18 AM

Climate scientists are deeply concerned about the future of their science, and themselves: Climate scientists face harassment


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 11:07 AM

We used to say blood and sand at school, Stu. That other one was my gran's.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:52 AM

I think you'll find THIS on point, Donuel


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:45 AM

According to Yahoo Answers:

"Blood and Sand (1922) is a silent movie produced by Paramount Pictures, directed by Fred Niblo and starring Rudolph Valentino, Lila Lee, and Nita Naldi. It was based on the Spanish 1909 novel Blood and Sand (Sangre y arena) by Vicente Blasco Ibáñez. There is an earlier version of Blood and Sand (1916), filmed by Blasco Ibáñez himself, with the help of Max André. The "torero" die in arena with blood and sand."

Interesting stuff!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:40 AM

I'm not sure where the phrase comes from. Hold on, I'll have a look.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:37 AM

I have given several minutes of thought as to how to tell a very young or innocent child that needs minority protection in America that Their President does not like them or will not help them feel safe?

You don't. Instead you tell them that laws/rules were made by some very frightened people who think creepy thoughts because they are basically scared people.

Dress and pee&poop just like everyone else and let the scared people feel as safe as they need to feel when they pee&poop. If those people are only thinking about you needing to pee&poop it is they who have a creepy problem, not you.

The scared people may call their reasons common sense but it is neither common or sense to have their creepy thoughts and fear.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:33 AM

Blood and stomach pills, me Salford gran always used to say.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:29 AM

"Blood and sand"
Thought that was a Rudolph Valentino film Stu
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:27 AM

Blood and sand Jim, give it a bleedin' rest will you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:15 AM

"VN has insulted me on several occasions, without response."
Do you wonder why?
Talking down to people is not advice - it is talking down to people
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 09:43 AM

You can thank Nathan Bedford Sessions for that one, Stu, and you ain't seen nuthin' yet!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 09:22 AM

Heading back into dark days, Trump now going to heap misery in innocent transgender folk: Trump administration rescinds Obama-era protections for transgender students

That's just being nasty, plain and simple.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 09:11 AM

Here's the fruit of another set of Trump & Co's lies....excuse me, "alternative facts":


Islamophobia grows louder in North Carolina: 'Can we not kill them all?'

Thursday 23 February 2017

Tom Jones, a soft-spoken man with white hair and wearing a slate-gray jacket, held up a copy of The Terrorist Next Door by the conservative author Erick Stakelbeck in the private dining room of a seafood restaurant in Kernersville, North Carolina, on a recent Thursday evening.

Those present laid out a scenario based on false representations of Islam and tangled conspiracy theories suggesting mainstream Muslims were stealthily plotting to kill non-believers.

Jones's presentation was repeatedly interrupted by comments about killing Muslims from Frank del Valle, a staunchly anticommunist Cuban immigrant, with little or no pushback from the others in the room. "Can we not kill them all?" Del Valle asked, about 15 minutes into the presentation

Near the end of the presentation, Del Valle asked Jones: "Do you have any recommendations as to how we could stop this? Because my only recommendation is to start killing the hell out of them."


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/23/north-carolina-islamophobia-muslims-threats?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 03:30 AM

Jim, I was simply offering some advice, VN has insulted me on several occasions, without response.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 09:00 PM

Thought the problem was that they didn't trust him.

With his history, they'd be crazy if they DID trust him.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 07:32 PM

"Vashta...try to concentrate"
THought you didn't approve of insulting people - or is that only for the rest of us?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 07:04 PM

Thought the problem was that they didn't trust him.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 06:34 PM

Pity that your man Donald doesn't trust 'em then, innit! 😂😂😂


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 05:58 PM

I would suggest that when it comes to lists of countries that may pose any sort of threat to the USA, Allies of the USA and countries that are of significant interest (economic, military or political) to the USA, then the Intelligence and Security Agencies of the United States of America have been continually compiling and updating those lists since the end of the Second World War.

After 9/11 those same agencies and the Security Committee of Congress were asked separately and independently to come up with candidate "rogue states" - they did - both lists were identical with Iraq coming top of both lists. Those lists I dare say have been continually updated as the situation is constantly under review and analysis - that after all is their job.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 12:20 PM

Ake,Obama had not been in for almost 10 years, a Presidential term is 4 years, he served 2 terms a maximum of 8 years. The measures he introduced were in early 2015. Two years ago, thus 6 years into his term.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:33 AM

Akenaton, do try to get it into your skull that what Obama did bears no relation or comparison to what Trump tried to do. I have explained this once today and pointed out that is easy enough to get the facts. Of course, if you suspect that the facts won't suit whatever case you're trying to make, you won't let them get in your way, will you? Now why don't you just toddle off and look it up before coming here with your seemingly never-ending inanities?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:27 AM

"of course everything the man does will be "inappropriate" according to the sore losers."

You can't discuss anything with someone who posts sentences like this. Can we stick to the point of the thread? Please. I beg of thee.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:23 AM

You know as well as I do that this hysteria is based on spite...

Same old lie, Eh Ake?

First off, the opposition to Trump is hardly "hysteria" on the part of a majority of the electirate.

Secondly this opposition has nothing to do with "spite" or "being sore losers": it has to do with the documented facts that Trump is a racist, a misogynist, an un-convicted perpertator of multiple sexual assaults, a serial and compulsive liar, a cheat, the perpetrator of various scams and ponzi schemes, possibly if not peobably mentally unbalanced and an all around, obnoxious piece of dirt entirely unfit to be President of the United States.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 10:54 AM

Vashta...try to concentrate....the point under discussion was made by David and continued by the usuals. Why did President Trump not put a temporary ban on Saudi Arabia.

As the incoming President, President Trump wished to formulate a new policy on immigration from countries of concern regarding terrorism(mooted by President Obama), it was to be a temporary ban until his administration had got up to speed. president Obama had been in office almost ten years when he announced his list.

I think President Trump did exactly the right thing.....of course everything the man does will be "inappropriate" according to the sore losers.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 10:38 AM

Trump cannot use part of that policy and ignore the rest

Of course he can - and DOES- being the deranged toddler that he is.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 10:34 AM

If Obama considered it inappropriate to ban all comers from a nation such as Saudi Arabia because the nation did not support the citizens who hijacked planes on Sept. 11, 2001, and considered it inappropriate to use a religious test to allow immigration or refugees in, and in fact put no bans of any sort in place, then Trump cannot use part of that policy and ignore the rest and suggest he is modeling his BAN on Obama's decisions.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 10:06 AM

We will have a massive deportation force but we will not have a massive deportation. Only the criminals.
DT Nov. 2016.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 09:24 AM

I do not wear sandals...

You probably do - but with socks.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 05:52 AM

AAAARGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 05:30 AM

No need stevie. I do not wear sandals, so my take on events differs from yours.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 04:28 AM

Only in my opinion? Take your blinkers off and look it up, Iains.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 04:23 AM

"One issue at a time Jim, I do not support everything President Trump proposes"
You are doing nothing but blindly supporting the man, whatever he does - you refuse to respond to a single example of his dishonesty and his contempt for democracy, the institutions of law, women, foreigners.... or anybody who happens to get in his way
Your devotion verges on deification.
His behaviour is not unlike the behaviour of dictators who have come before him and in the case of the one you mentioned, his use of populist support is uncannily similar
"This would likely explain why Obama did not put Saudi on the list"
Did Obama have a list - must have missed that one?
No arrogantly presented plagerised pearls of wisdom this morning Iains?
How disappointing!!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 04:03 AM

To try to make that comparison, or claim that Obama set the precedent, is nothing more than mischievous. only in your opinion Shaw, and you know how many of us rank that.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 03:54 AM

Obama responded to a perceived specific threat after two Iraqi refugees were arrested in Kentucky. The order enhancing vetting was issued only after consultation and agreement with several agencies. It related to one country only. He did not ban the entry of nationals from any specified countries. All this is easily checked online but, of course, stories that get degraded and embellished in the transmission enjoy meretricious attractiveness. There is simply no comparison with Obama's actions in 2011 and Trump's executive order. To try to make that comparison, or claim that Obama set the precedent, is nothing more than mischievous.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 03:42 AM

One issue at a time Jim, I do not support everything President Trump proposes.....I am simply pointing out the hysteria which alleges that he is another Hitler, a Fascist etc.

You know as well as I do that this hysteria is based on spite and all that concerns these people and the young folks they have "educated" is the rejection of their mythical agenda.

Its the Emperors clothes all over again and people like President Trump and Mr Farage are the little boys crying....Look...Look! "They're naked...naked as the day that they were born"

With apologies to Danny Kaye.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 03:41 AM

America still imports around 25% of its oil. The top five source countries of U.S. petroleum imports in 2015 were Canada, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Mexico, and Colombia. This would likely explain why Obama did not put Saudi on the list.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 03:28 AM

"The countries named and subject to the temporary ban were not selected by the President on a whim."
Yes they were
This man consults no-one, he holds no meetings to decide what he intends to do - he is an arrogant psychopath, and god help anybody who gets in his way.
He got his orders from the "SO-called security forces" - you have to be joking!!
Ho long are you you going to defend this dictator without actually addressing his actions Ake - have you no respect for the future of this planet?
We are been experiencing Trumpism for some time now.
A few years ago he purchased Greg Norman's Golf Club a few miles down from the coast here in Doonbeg.
The Club has been in dispute with local people for decades; it has been attempting to make an are of the coast a private beach for its hotel guests by blocking access to locals.
Trump bought the club and continued the warfare, but an uneasy peace was reached eventually on that issue.
Now he has opened the war on another front by proposing a rocky barrier in the sea to protects two of the course's holes - a project that would effect villages adversely either side of the club - he is holding his own employees jobs as hostage
Trump's backhanded business techniques have put his son in charge of the dirty tricks - the Trump Mafia have another branch in The West of Ireland.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 02:36 AM

Acme, the point being made by David and others was that President Trump was personally at fault for not including Saudi Arabia in the temporary hold, when in fact the omission was made by President Obama in the first instance.
Why was Saudi Arabia omitted?...... Political reasons? Perhaps the country was not regarded as "dangerous" due to the small number of immigrants from there, or the very severe regime in charge?

Perhaps you would have been better to have questioned President Obama at the time?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 01:46 AM

Psychopathic narcissist, Donuel?

Yeah, I think that's a pretty accurate diagnosis. The guy scares me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 01:26 AM

Wonder how long this will go on, probably for the whole term is my guess. The harm being done to the Office of President of the United States of America by both sides is immense, and every single successor will have to live with it as you strive to set the bar lower and lower.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 11:46 PM

Some time ago I diagnosed Trump as a psychopathic narcissist.

Some chose not to believe.
Well the President of Psychiatry at Harvard concurs as seen on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Acme
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 11:13 PM

President Trump put an unreasonable impediment on immigrants and travelers and tried to suggest he was just following Obama's lead - which is nonsense. The few restrictions in place during the Obama administration were well considered and deftly played, and had nothing to do with the blanket ban Trump was attempting. Your mildly-toned query suggesting Trump was just being as presidential or thoughtful as Obama is dismissed with prejudice.


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Subject: RE: BS: DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 08:21 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/20/europe/russia-un-ambassador-vitaly-churkin-dead/

A diplomat for Russia for decades will have nothing to say anymore.

Trumps Presidential order 15 makes it legal for Oil Companies to not disclose foreign deals.

Two more convicted criminals have come to light regarding the lifting of sanctions for oil $

Both are long time associates of Trump.

Maxine Waters of Congress calls these guys as well as our Secretary of State Tillerman, scum bags.


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