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Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song

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BEAR CREEK BLUES
BUMP ME INTO PARLIAMENT
CHESTER
COLUMBUS' SONG
CONFEDERATE YANKEE DOODLE
FAIR AND FREE ELECTIONS
FLIGHT OF DOODLES
HARRISON BRADY
MONITOR AND MERRIMAC
NEW YANKEE DOODLE
SHANNON AND CHESAPEAKE
THE BATTLE OF THE NILE
THE RECESS
THE SHOEMAKER'S SONG
WORLD TURNED UPSIDEDOWN (BUTTERCUPS)
YANKEE DOODLE


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Abby Sale 15 Jan 00 - 11:38 PM
John Moulden 16 Jan 00 - 05:05 AM
Abby Sale 16 Jan 00 - 11:34 AM
TheBigPinkLad 29 Apr 03 - 03:13 PM
GUEST,MCP 29 Apr 03 - 03:31 PM
TheBigPinkLad 29 Apr 03 - 04:11 PM
GUEST,MCP 29 Apr 03 - 07:26 PM
Abby Sale 29 Apr 03 - 11:40 PM
GUEST,MCP 30 Apr 03 - 05:21 AM
Abby Sale 30 Apr 03 - 10:05 AM
A Wandering Minstrel 01 May 03 - 08:26 AM
Abby Sale 01 May 03 - 05:56 PM
GUEST 02 May 03 - 01:36 PM
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Subject: Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song
From: Abby Sale
Date: 15 Jan 00 - 11:38 PM


I'm presented with a wonderful copy of High Level Ranters (_A Mile to Ride_) and a question-raising song on it.  (Or more.)  It's sung by Johnny Handle and, naturally, it's performed with all the éclat these people invariably exhibit - whether individually or severally.

The "Shoemaker" more or less shares the tune in the verses of "Yankee Doodle."  It's a rollicking (not bawdy) complaint & battle between the wife-narrator and her husband, the shoemaker & his shoes of rotten leather.

The chorus scans & is extremely reminiscent of "The Dirty Tinker."  That is the Dirty Gypsy version of "The Jolly Beggar" (Child 276).

That one's p29 of Erotic Muse -
With his long dong-diddley-whacker,
    Overgrown kidney-cracker,
    Mother-fucking baby-fetcher
    Hanging to his knees.

Compared to the "Shoemaker" chorus:

Shoemaker, leather-cracker,
Balls of wax and stinking water,
Three [?] rows[?] of rotten leather,
We would have a shoemaker.


Now I have to wonder - there was always the hint that Yankee Doodle had
bawdy references but I've never seen the old English version --

It turns out there's a political version of "Shoemaker" in DT (no similar
words) with the same scansion and set, says DT (from Foner's, labor songs) to Yankee Doodle.

Ye gads.  I've gotta look into this one.  If any have the words I'd appreciate it - I almost get them but there are a bunch of holes - it's fast.


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Subject: RE: Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song
From: John Moulden
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 05:05 AM

As has been mentioned in the Ballad List this is in Bruce and Stokoe: Northumbrian Minstrelsy (1882) but now reprinted in paperback by Llanarch Publishers, Felinfach (Wales) page 96. It reminds me of dance songs in general, though the resemblence indicated by Abby is present. Tail Toddle (Scottish) for example or Maggie Pickin (Irish) which is also associated with the Scottish "What the Devil ails ye."

I can hear little similarity between the tune in Bruce and Stokoe and Yankee Doodle; is the similarity to be credited to the High Level Ranters?

Abby, if you can't get hold of B&S, let me know what you can hear or the words and I'll fill the holes.


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Subject: RE: Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song
From: Abby Sale
Date: 16 Jan 00 - 11:34 AM

Thanks, as always, John. Yes, I've had B&S for 30 years. I keep forgetting that 13 out of 14 Northumbrian songs ever sung are in there.

And it seems to be the same tune. To me it's clearly "Yankee Doodle" in the verses.

Handle's words are nearly identical to B&S. At one point he may be substituting "the diel knows what" for "I don't know what." I wonder if that makes it slightly off-colour?

But it's a great song, no kidding.


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Subject: RE: Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 03:13 PM

Hi Abby & John ... I've not heard the High Level Ranters do Shoemaker but I have a copy of The Hush version. I can't hear Yankee Doodle in it, although the rythmn pattern is similar.


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Subject: RE: Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 03:31 PM

Stokoe also published it in his Songs of Northern England, identically I think. (And I can't see any similarity with YDD either!).

Abby - there's no essential difference between the de'il knows what and I don't know what, both expressing something defying description, nothing off-colour about either.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 04:11 PM

Mick, did you mean Yankee Doodle Dandy when you typed YDD? If so, they are two different songs: Yankee Doodle is the one that goes "Yankee Doodle went to town riding on a pony, put a ferather in hic and called it maccaroni" etc. and YDD is "I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy, Yankee Doodle do or die" a la Jimmy Cagney.


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Subject: RE: Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 07:26 PM

BigPinkLad

No. I did mean Yankee Doodle. I'd been reading the other thread on the song and seen the reference to YDD (which I really do mean here) and confused myself abbreviating (but not comparing)!

I still think there's little resembance and here's the tune from The Northumbrian Minstrelsy for those who want to check.

Mick



X: 1
T:The Shoemakker
M:2/4
L:1/8
S:Bruce & Stokoe: Northumbrian Minstrelsy
K:Bb
F|F B c e|d B c
F|F B c d|B> c B F/
F/|F B c e|d B c
(d/e/)|f> d e> c|B2 A F||
_A2 A (G/F/)|G G G F/
G/|_A A A G|B c B G/
G/|_A A A (G/F/)|G G G
(F/G/)|F B c e|B2 A F||


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Subject: RE: Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song
From: Abby Sale
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 11:40 PM

Good ABC, whoever did it. Marginally different from the Ranters. I'm sorry, that first line still sounds like YD to me. (I'm perfectly willing to be considered nuts, however.)

After, not before I got the above notion, I found in the database:

THE SHOEMAKER'S SONG (Allen Peabody).
To the tune of "Yankee Doodle"

CHORUS:
   Up and let us have a strike
   Fair prices we'll demand.
   Firmly let us all unite,   '
   Unite throughout the land.

From American Labor Songs of the 19 Century, Foner. Note: Written during the Great Shoemaker's Strike of 1860.

I only mention this because it's an additional association between shoemakers and YD.

BTW, I've now got all the Ranters' words though there are still a few obscure references I've never translated.


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Subject: RE: Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 05:21 AM

Abby - I was going to post the words for you to go with the tune but thought I'd do a quick check first. The words have already been posted by Conrad Bladey in Lyr Add: The Shoemakker. They are unattributed there, but it is the set from the Northumbrian Minstrelsy (or Songs of Northern England, as I said I think they're identical). (The midi link there is inactive and I couldn't see the file in Mudcat Midis when I looked, but it may be about somewhere).

Mick


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE SHOEMAKER
From: Abby Sale
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 10:05 AM

MCP: Thanks. Those are the words from B&S. I'd sent them to the DB in April of '00. (There are also two other entries there, slightly diff from B&S but otherwise the same sets as each other, SHOEMAK2 & SHOEMAK3.) Because I'd mentioned the YD connection, the attached tune to the one I sent- SHOEMKKR in the DB is Yanky Doodle. Probably a big mistake. I thought I'd transcribed the B&S tune to go with it. But if you listen to the first line or so...

Here's the set from the HLR best as I can transcribe it:

             The Shoemaker [sic]

Me mother sent us to the skyul,                          [us=me, school]
        To learn to be a stocking-myaker,
But I was young and played the fule,
        And married with a shoemaker.
                Shoemaker, leather-cracker,
                Balls of wax and stinking water,
                Three rows of rotten leather,
                Whee would have a shoemaker.       [who]

His hands are like a cuddy's houghs,                  [pony's?; hooves?]
        His face is like the haigh-lowed leather, [high-low=embossed?]
His looks is like Aa devil know what,             [I]
        His hair is like a bunch of heather.
                Shoemaker, leather cracker,
                Balls of wax and stinking water,
                Three rows of rotten leather,
                Whee would have a shoemaker.

He sent us for a pint of wine,
        And I brought him a pint o' water,
He played me as good a trick,
        He made me shoes of rotten leather.
                Shoemaker, leather cracker,
                Balls of wax and stinking water,
                Three rows of rotten leather,
                Whee would have a shoemaker.


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Subject: RE: Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 01 May 03 - 08:26 AM

re your translations above...

Cuddys Houghs (pronounced Huffs) = donkeys backside. Newcastle equivalent of "Rough as a badgers a**e". To "Cruck yer Houghs" is to sit down.

Haigh-lowed = heavily seamed or furrowed, wrinkled in this context

The song is a morality tale of sorts as shoemakers were considered a very poor catch as a husband.


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Subject: RE: Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song
From: Abby Sale
Date: 01 May 03 - 05:56 PM

Wandering Minstrel: Thank you. I'd looked everywhere I could think of for that. Makes good sense in the context. Incidentally, I've just finished reading a very interesting autobiography Wayfaring Stranger. I guess that must be your cousin or something. Seems he wrote it in 1946 under the pseudonym, 'Burl Ives.'

Good book. Many insights I wouldn't have considered at all.


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Subject: RE: Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 03 - 01:36 PM

In Scotland the word 'houghs'is pronounced 'hoachs', the ch spken as in Scottish 'loch'.


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Subject: RE: Bawdy Northumbrian 'Yankee Doodle' song
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 02 May 03 - 05:30 PM

It sometimes has the same pronunciation in Northumberland too: (Sc.)Loch (lake) = (Nthmb) Lough, pronounced the same. But the pronunciation predates the spelling of course. It gets even more complicated ... 'Featherstoneheugh' is pronounced "Fansha" (the last vowel is actually a schwa for the linguists among you) On the other hand Penshaw is pretty much, though not quite, as it seems: Pensha. As for "Pan Haggerty" ... ;o)


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