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Subject: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: GUEST,Martin Perry Date: 01 Apr 00 - 08:26 AM Hello Is there anyone that know where I can find versions of the old English broadside song "Black Velvet Band". I want to know how far back the song can be traced. Thanks Martin |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: Dale Rose Date: 01 Apr 00 - 08:43 AM Put the word VELVET in the filter box and set the age to three years, you'll pull up a couple of previous discussions of the topic. There are also several versions of both the BLUE and BLACK Velvet Bands in the DT. Just enter either [blue velvet] or [black velvet] in the blue DigiTrad Lyrics Search box. Be sure to use the brackets to narrow the search to the phrase rather than the separate words. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: JedMarum Date: 01 Apr 00 - 10:24 AM Peter Rowan does a great version of this song ... his is the early American tune - the Blue Velvet band. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: Mrrzy Date: 01 Apr 00 - 03:05 PM Contemplator.com has lyrics, but I don't know how old they are. That site usually has really good historical material, though, so you might want to look there if you haven't already. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Apr 00 - 03:12 PM The Traditional Ballad Index (click) has a bit of information, too, including the information that the Digital Tradition indexes the song as #313 (click). -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: GUEST,Michele Date: 01 Apr 00 - 07:42 PM Check under the name Irish Rovers. You should come up with something. They recorded this song back in the "70's. If you push me I can give you most of hte lyrics. Starts with: In sweet little town they call Belfast not meaning to go very far when I met with a..... a sweet colleen .... he wares at the bar. it goes on.. is this the correct version you seek?? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: GUEST,ernest Date: 01 Apr 00 - 08:36 PM Mild complaint. Some people just are not reading. An earlier poster pointed out that the lyrics are right here at mudcat and how to get them. A later poster even provided a link to them. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: Mbo Date: 01 Apr 00 - 08:43 PM Someone else did some new lyrics with a different take on the song. You may want to look at them here. --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 01 Apr 00 - 10:54 PM Ernest, I think you're right. Judging by the responses, only one or two people seem to have read that Matthew is looking for the older Broadside version of Black Velvet Band. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: Bob Bolton Date: 02 Apr 00 - 07:08 AM G'day Martin, I have in my collection a set of facsimiles of broadsides from England, Scotland, Ireland with reference to the Australian colonial era - researched by Ron Edwards, some years back. There would be a version of the The Black Velvet Band for almost every major city in the UK, varying only in locality name and the odd local detail. If you are interested, I could see how well they scan in (given their provenance in old worn-out type ... and sunsequent copying and reproduction). The version I published in Singabout - Selected Reprints, Bush Music Club, 1985, ed. Bob Bolton, is from a broadside version and typical of the genre. This particular version is set in London. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: JedMarum Date: 02 Apr 00 - 10:58 AM sorry - it was not that I didn't read the previous posts, I simply decided a little thread creep was OK. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: dick greenhaus Date: 02 Apr 00 - 11:44 AM As far as I can tell, the earliest publication date known for Black Velvet Band is 1910; the earliest for Blue Velvet Band is 1927. Any earlier ones (for either) would be much appreciated. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: Art Thieme Date: 02 Apr 00 - 11:49 AM Hank Snow did a great variation of this song on an extremely early recording by him. Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: Mbo Date: 02 Apr 00 - 12:22 PM The Music Library here at ECU has a several-volume collection of broadside tunes from the British Isles. I'll look up The Black Velevt Band when I'm over there on Monday! --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: GUEST,ernest c Date: 02 Apr 00 - 12:43 PM Jed, your post was not what I meant. I am not wishing to offend anyone, but reading the other messages and checking links saves duplication.
I just noticed that Lonesome EJ's name is Ernest, so I added the initial to avoid confusion. Mbo's suggestion sounds like a good idea. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: JedMarum Date: 03 Apr 00 - 07:50 AM No offense taken ... I love this song. I am interested in its history, but know very little. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: BLACK VELVET BAND From: GUEST,Bill Bailey,piano,25 yrs,DurtyNellys,SanAnto Date: 04 Apr 00 - 01:00 AM BLACK VELVET BAND (as taught me by an Irishman 25 years ago, in Durty Nelly's Irish Pub, Hilton, Riverwalk, San Antonio, TX)
In a neat little town they call Belfast (Think I forgot something right here!)
CHORUS: Her eyes they shone like diamonds
As I went a strollin' one evening
Next morning before judge and jury
So come all ye jolly young fellows bailey@hctc.n |
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Subject: Lyr Add: BLACK VELVET BAND (from Bodleian) From: IanC Date: 07 Apr 00 - 10:54 AM I found 2 versions of this in the Bodleian library's online collection. The first is from Swindells (Manchester) who published broadsides between 1796 and 1853. Since it mentions Victoria, it is unlikely that it is before about 1825 or so, though she was quite a fashionable young lady before she became queen in 1837, so it could have been printed earlier than that. The second version, more or less exactly the same words as the first, was published by H. Such of 177 Union Street, Boro, London SE. Such published broadsides between 1863 and 1885, so it is certain that this was a copy of the Swindells broadsheet. BLACK VELVET BAND (tune "Tars of the Blanch")
To go in a smack, down at Ba[r]king, when a boy, as apprentice I was bound
One day, being out on a ramble, alone by myself I did stray,
She towed me in port and we anchored, from virtue she did me decoy,
Flash girls, if you wish to turn modest, and decent connexion to gain,
Young men, by my fate take a warning, from all those gay ladies refrain,
For she towed in a bold man-of-war's man, her ogle she winked on the sly,
A snare was invented to slight and banish me out ofher sight,
I quickly was nai[l]ed and committed, and cast in the jug for a lag, What I hadn't realised, until looking at this version, is the similarity between this and other "rakes progress" style ballads including "Ratcliffe Highway". Obviously, by the end of the century, this song has been transformed into a much tighter and shorter ballad similar to its modern form. I have a recording from the famous "Ship Inn" in the 1920s or 30s from someone who said his father sang it. It is to some extent intermediate between the broadside version and the modern ballad, though it resembles the modern version much more closely. By the way, I think this is one of the few completely traditional songs now sung as everyone who I know sings it has certainly learned orally. Very few would take the trouble to learn it any other way, I think. For those whose geography of Essex isn't too good, Barking is a medium sized town in the part of Essex now within Greater London. Ratcliffe is nearby. ^^ Cheers! IanC |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: GUEST,zander Date: 07 Apr 00 - 02:47 PM Ewan MacColl does' a fine old English version of this song when I find out which record it is on I will let you know, regards, dave |
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Subject: Lyr Add: BLACK RIBBON BAND (from Emily Mitchell) From: GUEST,Adrienne Date: 07 Apr 00 - 02:56 PM I know a completely different version, actually called "Black Ribbon Band", from Emily Mitchell's "Irish Harp Songs" CD. She has good versions of some really obscure old songs, so I'd guess it's a relatively early version (though Irish), but I don't know; it's just different enough that I thought it was worth posting.
It was in the town of Tralee, an apprentice to trade I was bound,
Oh, her eyes they shone like diamonds, you would think she was queen of the land,
As I went down a broad way, not intending to stay very long,
Before judge and jury next morning, we both of us did appear,
Come all you young Irish lads, a warning take by me: |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: Bob Bolton Date: 08 Apr 00 - 07:19 AM G'day Martin, I got around to checking the Ron Edwards broadside research books I mentioned above. The books are The Convict Maid, Australian Folklore - Occasional Paper No 16, Ron Edwards, Rams Skull Press, Kuranda, 1985 and The Transport's Lament, Australian Folklore - Occasional Paper No 17, Ron Edwards, Rams Skull Press, Kuranda, 1985. The Black Velvet Band only appears in the first, in versions from Glasgow and Dublin collections and dated after 1838 (which would agree with the "Victoria fashion reference). All three examples give the home town as Barking (as in IanC's posting above) and Ron Ewards gives the first two examples as being printed by (Ryle) & Co, Printers, 2 & 3 Monmouth Court, Seven Dials. The interesting question is whether the change to all the different home towns ever occurred in the broadsheets, or only in the subsequent singing - and folk transmission. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: GUEST,Martin Perry Date: 09 Apr 00 - 09:18 AM Thanks all, this is fantastic! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: GUEST,marc Date: 09 Apr 00 - 03:52 PM Would any one be familiar with the Tars of the Blanch tune mentioned in IanC's post? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: Bob Bolton Date: 09 Apr 00 - 11:29 PM G'day Marc, An interesting question, and one I hope to see answered, but the fact that the 'Barking' version of Black Velvet Band starts to look like the original (there being no other locale on the early broadsheets), suggests that the tune may be the familiar (at least here in Australia and in the UK) one that has survived to be collected in several variants. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: Lyr Add: BLACK VELVET BAND (from Cyril Poacher) From: IanC Date: 11 May 00 - 09:36 AM I've just (finally) found this version on a recording of Cyril Poacher (Broomfield Wager, Topic 12TS252) taken from his singing in 1974. He says that he learned it from Alf Moseley of Harwich in the 1950s.
I was born in the fair town of London,
Ch. Repeat Ch.
One day as I was out walking, Ch.
I was taken before the Lord Justice,
The gold watch she took from my pocket, From the lack of logical order of the verses and other indications (including the mondegreen in the 2nd line of the first verse) there is every indication that he learned it very quickly and that he didn't know any other version (as far as I know, no other singer at "The Ship" sang it). What's interesting is that it seems to me to have some aspects in common with the Swindells broadside. Particularly, being "given in charge" and the slipping of the watch into his pocket. By the way, does anyone have any ideas about the suggestion, which I seem to have read somewhere recently, that the "Irish" versions have mainly arisen from Harry Cox's version which was picked up by Christy Moore, then The Dubliners etc. Does anyone know the words to Harry's version?
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: IanC Date: 04 Jul 00 - 12:17 PM For Bob Bolton and Marc. I thought I'd re-open the old thread to keep things together. I've looked at the Bodliean collection and in the British Museum for references to "Tars of the Blanch" and have come up with some information. Here is a brief note. The tune which was noted with the early broadside versions of "The Black Velvet Band" is "Tars of The Blanch". A broadside of this name was published by James Paul & Co., Seven Dials (Harding B11(1515), Bodleian). The song is in essentially the same metre as broadside versions of "The Black Velvet Band" as well as the recorded modern versions and most of the known collected versions. It seems likely, therefore, that the tune for all these ballads is the same. "The Tars of the Blanch" records naval action off "Point Peter" between an English ship, The Blanch, and a French ship, the Le Picque, part of a fleet of French frigates. During the action, the captain of the Blanch, Falkner, died and was replaced by the mate, Wilkins. With the masts shot away, the crew of Blanch boarded and took the French ship. This appears to be a story of the Napoleonic wars and has many similarities with the ballad of Admiral Benbow. Curiously, none of the ships mentioned as in action with Nelson's fleet during the Napoleonic wars was named Blanch or Blanche, and none of Nelsons captains appears to have been named Falkner or Faulkner. However, a ship called Blanche is recorded as having been wrecked in "The Texel" on 28th September 1799. There is also a listing of "The death of Captain Faulkner, or British Heroism" (librettist anonymous, composer William Shield, 1795) in English Libretti, 1780-1799 (http://gopher.english.openn.edu/~rstack/appl1780.html). The fact that an opera was written on the subject would suggest that the action was well known and popular at the time and may date it as between about 1790 and 1795. Hope this is of some use.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: Bob Bolton Date: 05 Jul 00 - 12:15 AM G'day IanC, Thanks! Have you ever seen music for Tars of The Blanch? I presume it must be lurking in some old tune book somewhere. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: IanC Date: 05 Jul 00 - 05:38 AM Bob This guy wants blood?!! So far I've only found one broadside version and, as you'd expect, without music. However, I do now have access to the British Library so I will keep looking.
Cheers! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: Bob Bolton Date: 06 Jul 00 - 12:02 AM G'day IanC, Sorry to look like I'm twisting your arm, but it is a long swim from Sydney to the British Library. Actually, I should pose this question to Ron Edwards (about 2200 km north of me, in Kuranda) who did get to root through the broadsides in the major British / Irish collections (on a grant) back in the 80s. If Ron has any information, I will post back. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: IanC Date: 06 Jul 00 - 03:53 AM Bob No fuss. Just joking! Ian |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: IanC Date: 06 Oct 04 - 11:37 AM Re: "Tars of The Blanch" There seems to be more information about the various ships called Blanche in the British Navy here. I've copied it below. BLANCHE,32. (1786 Burlesdon. Wrecked 1799) 1799 Capt. John AYSCOUGH. Armed en flute she accompanied the expedition under Vice Ad. MITCHELL and Sir Ralph Abercromby to Holland and continued with the fleet until the surrender of the Texel squadron. On 27 September she followed the orders of Capt. LAWFORD of ROMNEY and got under weigh at 1 P.M. from Mars Diep to escort a convoy home. At 4 P.M. the pilot put her ashore on the middle bank in the Sculp Gat; they soon got her off, but at 6 o'clock she was aground again about 2 miles N.N.W. of Kyck Duyn. This time it was top of high water and it was 1 o'clock the following morning before she could be hauled off and steered on the course that the pilot directed. Almost at once they ran on to the Dalrymple Shoal about one cable from the black buoy marking it. The depth of water was only 8 to 1O feet and BLANCHE's draught was 17 feet. Capt. AYSCOUGH signalled for boats with anchors and hawsers and for schuyts to offload the guns and heavy stores, but because the sea was breaking over the ship and there was so much motion, this proved impossible and several boats were overset and lives were lost attempting it. When the ship threatened to broach to he ordered first the main-mast and then the mizzen to be cut away. Two boat-sails were rigged on the poop to steer the ship if she drifted over the shoal, which she did about 4 P.M., but, as she was taking in water, the only chance for saving the ship's company was to run her on shore in the Nieuve Diep. Here the the tide ebbed and flowed into her and her whole frame was hogged so that it was impossible to remove her. A court martial was held at Sheerness on 1 November 1799 which found that BLANCHE was lost through the fault of the pilot and that the captain, the officers and crew showed great professional skill in getting her off and saving the stores and the lives of the people. They were all honourably acquitted and during the same month Capt. AYSCOUGH was appointed to INCONSTANT. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BLANCHE,36. (1800 Deptford. Captured 1805) 1800 Capt. Graham Eden HAMMOND. He commissioned the brand new frigate on 19 November, the day after he had paid off his previous ship, LION. After being fitted and manned she joined Sir Hyde PARKER at Yarmouth where the fleet was about to sail for the Baltic. On 19 March 1801 BLANCHE was sent to Elsinor (Helsingor) under a flag of truce with dispatches for Mr Drummond who was attempting to reach an accomodation with the Danes. Two days later he came on board and BLANCHE returned to the fleet which had anchored at the entrance to the Sound on the 21st. On 1 April the fleet left the anchorage at Hven and re-anchored near the north end of the shoal known as the Middle Ground. BLANCHE, whose officers and men had been on deck continuously since getting under weigh, grounded near the island of Amak in the evening, but she was got off, and the following day she was anchored by the stern between ALCMENE and AMAZON off the Great Crown Battery. She was under enemy fire for nearly two hours and had six seamen and one marine killed and seven seamen and two marines wounded. BLANCHE returned to Yarmouth on 13 May with the flag of Sir Hyde PARKER. For the remainder of the war she was attached to the Channel fleet under Ad. CORNWALLIS. During the peace she operated from Plymouth against smugglers alomg the coasts of Devon and Cornwall. She sailed for Leith with discharged seamen on 2O May 18O2 under Capt. DAINES. On 12 June BLANCHE, AMETHYST and AMELIA were ordered to victual for two months. Capt. HAMMOND then spent the summer months attending the Royal family at Weymouth and BLANCHE returned to Plymouth when their Majesties left for Windsor on 2 September. She was paid off at Sheerness on 22 September. 1803 Capt. Zachary MUDGE, 10/02. She sailed from Portsmouth on 4 March 1803 to raise seamen in Guernsey. On 4 June she sent in a French sloop laden with stone. At the close of 1803 BLANCHE was in the west Indies where she took part in the blockade of San Domingo under Capt. LORING of BELLEROPHON. When Rear Ad. DUCKWORTH discovered that the French were using the Caracol Passage, the eastern entrance of the harbour of Cape Francoise on Hispaniola, to obtain supplies from Monte Cristi in San Domingo he ordered that a frigate should be placed at the entrance of Manchineel Bay. Capt. LORING sent BLANCHE and in less than a month her boats took and destroyed twenty-four small vessels. On 4 November BLANCHE's launch under the command of Mr John SMITH, master's mate, assisted by Mr Maurice BERKELEY, midshipman, attacked a schooner armed with a single long 9-pounder and carrying 3O men. The enemy was carried after 1O minutes with the loss of one killed and two wounded in the launch. The enemy had one killed and five wounded. The Rear Admiral ordered Mr SMITH to act as a lieutenant for his gallantry. At two o'clock on the morning of the following day a large cutter full of bullocks, lying under the guns of Monte Cristi (four 24-pounders and three field guns), was attacked by Lieut. LAKE in the cutter and Lieut. Nichols of the marines in the barge. For the loss of two men killed by fire from the fort and two wounded in boarding the cutter she was brought out with a cargo of 52 bullocks. The prize was 92 tons, coppered, and armed with two 4-pounders and six swivels. Capt. MUDGE landed 69 prisoners from a number of prizes at Monte Cristi under flag of truce and obtained a receipt for them. Also during November Midshipman Edward Henry A'COURT with a marine and seven seamen was sent ashore in the red cutter to collect sand for use in the ship. To stop them getting into trouble they were not allowed arms but they managed to smuggle a few muskets into the cutter. While returning they fell in with a becalmed schooner and, as they approached her under the stern, a sudden burst of musket fire from her mortally wounded one of the boat party and badly wounded another. Mr A'COURT and his five remaining hands boarded and carried her and found that she was bound for Cape Francois with 3O or 4O soldiers commanded by a colonel. In February 1804 800 marines and sailors landed on Curacoa and took posession of all the island except for Fort Rebublicain. Since they had no artillery to reduce the fort, and it was impossible to take it by storm, the men were withdrawn and returned to Jamaica. the island was kept in a state of blockade by BLANCHE and two Government schooners. During the following 18 months BLANCHE took many other prizes including the Dutch schooner NIMROD on 29 June 1804, the fastest vessel Capt. MUDGE encountered in the West Indies, and on 3 November he arrived in Port Royal with a Spanish schooner and a French schooner carring dispatches, which were saved, to General Ferrand in San Domingo. The French schooner privateer HAZARD with 3 guns and 58 men was captured on 5 April 1805 after a chase of 26 hours, Another capture was the Spanish sloop DILIGENTE laden with horses and wood and on 1O June the French national schooner AMITIE taking dispatches from General Ferrand to Santiago de Cuba was taken. A long brass eighteen and six 6-pounders were thrown overboard during the 11 hour chase. Capt. MUDGE's luck ran out on 19 July 1805. BLANCHE was some 150 miles north of Puerto Rico when she fell in with a French squadron consisting of TOPAZE,44, LE DEPARTEMENT DES LANDES,20, TORCHE,18, and FAUNE,16. When they were about three miles off the enemy hoisted English colours but Capt. Mudge was not deceived and prepared for action. Escape was out of the question since BLANCHE had lost most of her copper nearly nine months earlier. After 45 minutes fierce fighting BLANCHE was a complete wreck, unable to answer her helm, with 8 men killed and 15 wounded, so Capt. MUDGE struck his colours to save further loss of life. Some six hours later, after the French had taken possession, BLANCHE was reported to be sinking so she was set on fire. She had only 215 men on board during the fight, 30 were away in prizes and 8 had been left in Jamaica. On 14 October 1805 Capt. MUDGE, at a court martial in Plymouth, was honourably acquitted of blame for the loss of his ship. The Admiralty immediately appoimted Capt. MUDGE, his officers and part of BLANCHE's crew to the PHOENIX. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BLANCHE,38. (The Spanish AMFITRITE taken by Sir Richard STRACHAN in DONEGAL off Cadiz on 25 November 1804. Wrecked 1807) 1806 Capt. Thomas LAVIE, North Sea. On 19 July he captured the French frigate GUERRIER off the Farroes. She was one of the enemy squadron which had been sent out from L'Orient to destroy British and Russian whalers off Greenland and, although she mounted 50 guns, her crew of 317 men, many of whom were sickly, was soon reduced by BLANCHE's destructive fire which killed twenty and wounded thirty for the loss of only four wounded. The prize was brought into Yarmouth Roads on the 26th. Capt. LAVIE's officers included Lieuts. Thomas DAVIES, ALLAN and BASTIN (who was wounded), and Mr ROBERTSON, the master. While he was with a squadron commanded by Capt. KEATS blockading Rochefort Capt. LAVIE intercepted the GEORGE WASHINGTON off Bordeaux on 15 January 1807. She had on board Capt. Kargarian, late commander of the French frigate VALEUREUSE, with 306 of his officers and men. He took the prisoners out and sent the ship to England. BLANCHE was wrecked off Ushant on 4 March 1807. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BLANCHE,28. (The French privateer BELLONE captured by Capt. PLAMPIN in POWERFUL, assisted by RATTLESNAKE, off Ceylon on 9 July 1806. BU 1814) 1807 Capt. John BASTARD, East Indies. As captain of RATTLESNAKE, Capt. BASTARD had chased BELLONE into the hands of Capt. PLAMPIN. BELLONE was renamed BLANCHE in 18O8. 181O Lieut. Richard BARTON acted for some time as captain of BLANCHE and on 26 July, in the Straits of Malacca, he captured the French privateer CONFIANCE with two long 6-pounders and 3O men. The privateer had sailed from Mauritius the previous May. 1811 Capt. William FLINT, who made post on 1 March 1811, East Indies. 1812 out of commission. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BLANCHE,46. (1819 Chatham. HS 1852) 1824 Capt. William Bowen MENDS, 1/24, Portsmouth fitting out for the South American station. He returned on 28 September 1827 with nearly 800,000 dollars on board. 1830 Capt. Arthur FARQUHAR, 2/30, West Indies. From 1852 she was used as a Receiving Hulk at Portsmouth until she was broken up in 1865. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: pavane Date: 06 Oct 04 - 12:57 PM Tars of the Blanche must have been a popular song, as there are at least 20 copies in the Bodleian library, with other titles being 'The Blanche Frigate' and just 'The Blanche'. The date is pushed back to at least 1819, but obviously may be much earlier. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: BLACK VELVET BAND From: Dave Bryant Date: 07 Oct 04 - 05:28 AM I sing a London version of "Black Velvet Band" - I think I first got it from Martin Carthy in the 60s. It's similiar to the usual Irish version, but there is a B part tune to the second part of the verse. The setting is the Wapping/Ratcliffe/Limehouse area. It was in the city of London, apprenticed to trade I was bound. And many the bright amusements, I've had in old London Town. But a certain misfortune came over me, which caused me to stray from the land. Far away from my friends and relations, Betrayed by a Black Velvet Band. Usual Chorus, but the first syllable of "Diamonds" is held longer. As I was walking down Wapping Wall, a-meaning not long for to stay, I chanced to see this fair young maid, come a-walkin down Ratcliffe Highway. Her face it was handsome and comely, her neck it was slim like a swan. And her hair it hung over her shoulder, tied up with a Black Velvet Band. I strolled along with this pretty fair maid, till a gentleman passed us by. I could see she was meaning to be a-robbing of him, by the look in her dark roving eye. She nicked a gold watch from his pocket and dropped it clear into my hand. And the peelers they quickly arrested me, bad luck to the Black Velvet band. So in front of a judge and a jury, next morning I had to appear. And the beak he looked over the bench at me, said this case is proven quite clear. So I copped seven years penal servitude, to be spent far away from this land. Far away from my friends and relations, betrayed by a Black Velvet Band. So come all you jolly apprentice lads, I'll have you take warning by me. And when you go out on the booze at night, beware of young ladies so free. They'll lead you to sin and strong drink me lads, till you are not able to stand. And the very next thing that you know, you may be bound out for Van Dieman's Land. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band From: IanC Date: 07 Oct 04 - 07:04 AM Dave I'd be very interested to find out mor about the origins of this version, as it does seem to be significantly different from any of the versions collected from tradition that I've seen. I've been studying the development of this song now for 3-4 years and this looks like an attempt at aggregating the original broadside version with what, for want of a better term ought to be called the Norfolk version (i.e. what you refer to as the "Usual Irish version") with bits of some of the others. Perhaps Martin Carthy did the deed? :-) |