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katlaughing 26 Jul 00 - 10:11 PM
Bill D 26 Jul 00 - 10:18 PM
Mary in Kentucky 26 Jul 00 - 10:25 PM
katlaughing 26 Jul 00 - 10:44 PM
Sorcha 26 Jul 00 - 11:00 PM
katlaughing 26 Jul 00 - 11:25 PM
zonahobo 26 Jul 00 - 11:26 PM
wysiwyg 26 Jul 00 - 11:31 PM
katlaughing 26 Jul 00 - 11:43 PM
kendall 27 Jul 00 - 08:35 AM
SDShad 27 Jul 00 - 09:13 AM
SINSULL 27 Jul 00 - 09:19 AM
Jeri 27 Jul 00 - 09:37 AM
Patrish(inactive) 27 Jul 00 - 09:44 AM
Willie-O 27 Jul 00 - 09:58 AM
Jon Freeman 27 Jul 00 - 10:01 AM
Irish sergeant 27 Jul 00 - 10:12 AM
Jon Freeman 27 Jul 00 - 10:19 AM
GUEST 27 Jul 00 - 10:23 AM
Jeri 27 Jul 00 - 10:59 AM
GUEST,and proud of it 27 Jul 00 - 11:21 AM
katlaughing 27 Jul 00 - 01:05 PM
Jon Freeman 27 Jul 00 - 01:34 PM
Peg 27 Jul 00 - 01:48 PM
GUEST 27 Jul 00 - 02:30 PM
Jeri 27 Jul 00 - 02:58 PM
SDShad 27 Jul 00 - 03:04 PM
Liz the Squeak 27 Jul 00 - 03:08 PM
kendall 27 Jul 00 - 03:11 PM
GUEST,and Proud etc. 27 Jul 00 - 06:12 PM
GUEST,and Proud etc. 27 Jul 00 - 06:19 PM
Jeri 27 Jul 00 - 07:00 PM
Sorcha 27 Jul 00 - 07:08 PM
katlaughing 27 Jul 00 - 07:21 PM
SINSULL 27 Jul 00 - 07:44 PM
SDShad 27 Jul 00 - 09:19 PM
alison 28 Jul 00 - 12:18 AM
Sorcha 28 Jul 00 - 12:38 AM
katlaughing 28 Jul 00 - 12:51 AM
SDShad 28 Jul 00 - 09:30 AM
GUEST,,&POI 28 Jul 00 - 09:35 AM
GUEST,Binky 28 Jul 00 - 09:35 AM
GUEST 28 Jul 00 - 09:45 AM
Snipe 28 Jul 00 - 10:27 AM
SDShad 28 Jul 00 - 10:31 AM
GUEST 28 Jul 00 - 11:19 AM
Jeri 28 Jul 00 - 12:25 PM
GUEST 28 Jul 00 - 02:20 PM
katlaughing 28 Jul 00 - 02:26 PM
sophocleese 28 Jul 00 - 02:34 PM
Jeri 28 Jul 00 - 03:10 PM
sophocleese 28 Jul 00 - 03:21 PM
katlaughing 28 Jul 00 - 03:45 PM
SINSULL 28 Jul 00 - 04:14 PM
Snipe 28 Jul 00 - 06:25 PM
SDShad 28 Jul 00 - 11:22 PM
alison 29 Jul 00 - 12:25 AM
Jon Freeman 29 Jul 00 - 12:56 AM
CarolC 29 Jul 00 - 12:58 AM
Amergin 29 Jul 00 - 01:07 AM
Jeri 29 Jul 00 - 08:54 AM
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Subject: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 10:11 PM

First off, I am not new to email spamming. I know the generic types, including porn, which get sent out to so many; they go right into the trash bin.

Lately I have received three very specific emails, worded as messages from three specific Mudcat women, whom I have not heard from, via email, in quite a while. They are also not seen on the Mudcat that frequently.

All three had links to some really sickening porn sites.
All three had a bogus "reply to addy".
All three "reply to addys" were at optusnet.com.au.

My regular email addy is not listed on the Mudcat. I have only given it to those people whom I respect and trust. I am hoping that the above emails were simply the luck of the draw for a spamming service, which just happened to pick names I would know. The alternative is that someone I trusted has either given my addy out or is using it themselves to pull a stupid prank.

So, be careful, friends...it may seem harmless, stupid, and childish, but it could be another dimension of some of our names being used without our knowledge.

thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 10:18 PM

there are places to report that..and it 'may' be tracable if they did not use a proxy or something...someone sure has too much time on their hands and too little sense in their heads


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 10:25 PM

Hi kat, rest assured it wasn't me, I loathe spammers. So much so that I often report them to the originating ISP if I can trace it. I also get delight in sending particularly obnoxious ones to the spam recycle center at spamrecycle@chooseyourmail.com (There is a URL for these folks somewhere.) I don't know if it does much good, but it's a lot more fun than just deleting them.

Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 10:44 PM

That's great, Mary, thanks! I have a good idea of who it was, although I really do not care. My main reason for posting this was to let others know about the nefarious use of other Mudcatters names, off-forum. just to clarify, the Mudcatter names were not in any of the return addys, just in the actual messages themselves.

Thanks, Bill. I have reported it. We'll see what kind of response I get.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 11:00 PM

Thanks, kat, and you know it wasn't me, either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 11:25 PM

Yeah, Sorcha, I know, thanks. Let me say here, as I probably should have done earlier, I do NOT believe this was by anyone who is on my current email list, so please, those of you who are, and you know you are 'cause you get all kinds of silliness from me *BG*, please do not feel you have to say anything in this thread about it not being you.

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: zonahobo
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 11:26 PM

Some of the Word Viruses send themeselves out from victim's mail box address lists (Usually MS Outlook mailboxes) and they may have no idea they have been infected so it is a good idea to scan you PC for an infection and also notify the people it was supposedly sent from that they may have been infected. Hope it's just junk mail ... good luck Kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 11:31 PM

CRAP!

Thanks for the info Kat. You handle this stuff well.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 11:43 PM

I love the recyling bin, Praise!

Zonahobo, thanks, no viruses so far and i have some pretty good programs for detection since the last big virus scare.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: kendall
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 08:35 AM

how do I scan for viruses?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: SDShad
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 09:13 AM

kat, what email client are you using? You can learn lots from expanding to a full view of the headers about where a message came from that amateur spammers (or people who don't care cause they don't spam, like me) don't know how to get rid of. But some clients are better than others at showing full header information. PM me if you'd rather not talk email software particulars on a public board.

And you can rest assured t'warn't me either, darlin'. Wouldn't dream of spammin' ya, you're a treasure.

Chris


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 09:19 AM

Blood test, Kendall. Or install an antivirus program and it will automatically scan - Norton, MacAfee(sp).Best rule: Don't open anything unless you know where it came from. There is a virus running around our office introduced by a customer (accidental) called FW:Jokes.Not as nasty as the Love Bug but a pain to deal with.

I have heard from another woman on Mudcat who is getting this kind of crap. Sad but true, it's designed to intimidate. Says a lot about the sender. I am sorry it is happening to you but as with obscene phone calls, just hang up.
Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 09:37 AM

Our e-mail addresses are in ICQ, and so are most of our Mudcat names. I haven't received any e-mail spam, but I've had a few ICQ spams. If they can send it to ICQ numbers, they may be able to create a program to look up e-mail addresses.

If you get forwarded messages with tons of e-mail addresses (because no one has cut them out), anybody who gets that message can harvest the addresses. It wouldn't explain the use of your Mudcat name.

Some of you experts may know about the following. I'm fairly sure this is why at least some Guests don't want to join - cookie paranoia. If you have a cookie on your computer, it could be used by unscrupulous people to send info (such as your e-mail address and other cookie info) to the people who put it there. Am I right on this?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Patrish(inactive)
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 09:44 AM

Hi Kat - just to assure you that I would never give anyone an e-mail address. I am pleased to say that I have received no spam etc. that I believe was generated from the mudcat. I am sorry that some people get some peverted pleasure in doing thing that hurt or annoy.
your friend from across the pond
Patrish


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Willie-O
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 09:58 AM

Kat, could this not be a virus which picks some of your old correspondence from your archives and modifies it with the links and stuff you describe?

Or is there info that could only have been obtained by perusing Mudcat archives?

After the Love Bug deal, I speculated that the next wave of e-mail viruses would be getting more sneaky at disguising themselves as someone you know and trust. The Love Bug's weakness was its easily spotted subject line, and text message (and attachment title) which didn't sound like anything my friend whose machine forwarded to me would write.

In fact here's a msg I just got from a friend at the National Research Council.

"We are experiencing a new virus here at NRC.

It is called Life Stages. I have received three e-mails so far with the attachment with different subject lines.

If you receive any emails with attachments saying Life Stages, delete it immediately. It is an .exe file.

- Most of these viruses use our distribution list to send the email or reply to your own email your sending. If it comes from a friend, it doesn't mean it's safe to open it. "

Willie-O


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 10:01 AM

I don't know if kat has just changed it but her email address is not showing in ICQ. This is an optional field and users may wish to consider removing it. The only time that ICQ themselves use this field is to email you if you forget your password.

I don't know about other sites or how cookies can be used but the Mudcat cookie does not contain your email address so the sort of abuse that Jeri mentioned would be impossible.

I have never complained about a personal email but I have complained about abuse in newsgroups. I send the full post to the ISP in question. Using Outlook Express, you right clik on the message and get properties. There is often a field that provides an address to complain to in cases of abuse.

All of the complaints I have made have been dealt with successfully (although I would guess that the posts in question attracted 100s of complaints) so it is worth doing. The only problem is that it is possible for posters to "diguise" themselves.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 10:12 AM

I haven't been "Blessed" yet with any spamming. I'd hate to think anyone on mudcat wwould do such a thing, but there are some hackers and such that might. Hope it gets resolved quickly. Kindest reguards, Neil


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 10:19 AM

Seing as attachments have been mentioned, I still think that the best policy is not to open them unless you know who sent it them and why they were sent. If you are ever in any doubt, it is better to check with the sender that they meant to send what you recieved than to blindly open attachments. Even the most trustworthy of people can inadvertantly send viruses.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 10:23 AM

Occurrences like these only feed the prejudices against anonymity.

As this is a public forum, exchanges of thoughts, information, knowledge, and ideas only require a computer and an ability to type. No membership, persona, pseudonym, "handle," or what-have-you is needed. The meaning of the words stands alone, apart from the entity that uttered them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 10:59 AM

Thanks, Jon. I had more questions than answers, and thought I might be being a bit paranoid about cookies, and ICQ. I get very little spam, and have an e-mail program with kill-file capabilities, so I don't have to look at it even if I get it. (The kill files send spam to a special folder I can empty as needed, or I can set it to auto-delete spam messages.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: GUEST,and proud of it
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 11:21 AM

Before the next time registered 'Catters engage in the usual "Guest-Bashing" session, it may be worthwhile to reflect that some of us 'outcasts' prefer to remain anonymous precisely to avoid these sorts of problems? did that ever occur to anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 01:05 PM

I have a new name for anonymous Guests, regardless of their reasons for not revealing what "entity" they are; as far as I am concerned, they are Snipers and will warrant no response from me.

Thanks to all who identify themselves in an accepted, legitimate fashion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 01:34 PM

Proud Guest, I don't think that this issue has anything to do with Mudcat registration. It is true that you have to supply an email address to register to Mudcat but short of hacking the Mudcat servers, there is no way for anyone other than Max or people that he has authorised to retrieve this information.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Peg
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 01:48 PM

um, this spamming stuff sucks, I am on aol and yahoo and it happens to me all the time...

but what I wanted to say was, isn't it possible for a guest to reveal their identity without planting a cookie? or giving their email address? I mean, ya know, just offering a name for us to use to address them? I mean, what is the harm in that?

just askin'


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 02:30 PM

So...if you were to encounter an anonymous person sitting next to you on the bus who inquired the time, you would not respond because that person had not first identified him/herself by name.

Yet because that person has the so-called "courage" to identify him/herself as ButtBreath (for example) beforehand, it is acceptable to engage in profound and intimate conversation on all manner of topics.

Tell me who, of any years, has not had a meaningful (sometimes deeply meaningful) conversation, revealing the most intimate details of our lives - our fears, hopes, dreams - to someone in the flesh-world we had never met before and will never meet again?

Curiouser and curiouser...


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 02:58 PM

Guest, I'll be happy to talk to you. There's a "guilt by association" thing going on. Some people have posted as guests because they wanted to be un-associated with the attacks they made on others. No accountability. Unfortunately, all guests get lumped into the same category as the nasty ones. If those few hadn't done what they did, I doubt anyone would have much of a problem with a post from an unidentified source, but I think most people who wish to remain completely anonymous do so because they are "snipers." Consider though, what will happen when several guests make comments in a thread. How do we respond to only one? You could at least type in "Binky" or something.

Guest, and proud of it, I honestly don't get it. You wish to avoid bashing of anonymous guests by posting as a guest? It's like saying you're trying to avoid banjo-player stereotyping by playing a banjo, unless I've misunderstood.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: SDShad
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 03:04 PM

Guest, and proud of it: Then create a throwaway Yahoo email account that you don't care what gets sent to it. Easy.

Chris


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 03:08 PM

What bugs me most are those who are supposedly near and dear to you, who STILL insist on sending you every mildy porno piccy she finds amusing (amoosing in this case....) and E mail chain letters - they are the worst of all. Give me a bit of innocent rudity any day - threatening dire consequences and bad luck if I don't spam 10 of my (former as they would be) friends, with a complete pile of poo.

And Life Stages was a sod - it took the IRS days to delete it from the 4000 users in our building......

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: kendall
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 03:11 PM

so, How do I get this pornography? I never get any spam..I dont like spam''etc


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: GUEST,and Proud etc.
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 06:12 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: GUEST,and Proud etc.
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 06:19 PM

Jeri-
no,lemmie try again. I don't wish to provide an e-mail address & other "biodata" so that I can set myself up to be spammed as was Kat, etc. Helping the trolls aggravate me would be pretty stoopid, no?

SD Shad/Chris:
lemmie see if I've got this right. Folks are put off by not knowing who 'guests' are. But they'll feel OK if I append a phony name? And it will REALLY be OK if I set up a phony e-mail account with a fake name; then they'll "know who I am" & it will be OK to converse with me????
Don't tell me- you majored in logic in college!


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 07:00 PM

Guest, if you put anything in that block, at least we'll have something to call you when we're talking to you, and you'll appear to be a person instead of a bunch of seemingly unrelated posts. Thanks for explaining. I'm positive whoever sent Kat the spam didn't get her e-mail address from the Mudcat Server. Otherwise, the rest of us would be getting spam too. I can't fault you for worrying about it though. I didn't join for a year or more because I was sure somebody was going to sell my information to spammers. I've received no spam since Dec, and that was probably a result of posting my e-mail address in newsgroups.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 07:08 PM

It just helps a little that we are able to know that Guest 1 is or is not Guest 2, etc. It tends to give a continuity to a conversation if you know that you are continuing to talk to the same person, rather than different ones each time. We do have lots of regulars that are always Guests, but they have a call name too, so that we know it is the same person.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 07:21 PM

ham radio operators have to have a "handle", as does anyone operating a CB radio with any consistency who may desire assistance or cameraderie on long drives....phone numbers are issued to a "name"...it's common courtesy around the Mudcat to provide some sort of nickname for identification on the Mudcat

By not choosing a consistent nickname..you avoid spamming, maybe, personal messages, definitely, friendship and goodwill, certainly. You hold yourself above and in a spiteful "superior" mode while declaiming our nativete. And, don't drag me in as an example. I was spammed NOT because of the Mudcat, but because I gave my email to someone I trusted. That could've happened anywhere.

Ho-hum, just another sniper not worthy of any of the attention of any Mudcatters. My suggestion to all of you who use a consistent name, as Mick has said in the past, don't respond, don't feed it...and IMO, membership is looking better everyday.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 07:44 PM

I don't know Kat. I am particularly fond of the threads where Guest X is obviously talking to him or herself under the guise of different guest names. A little like watching my cat talk to the wall and just as informative. I have decided not to answer them though, just as I hang up on heavy phone breathers and ignore anonymous petitions from concerned tenants when they are shoved under my door.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: SDShad
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 09:19 PM

Actually, Guest, no. But thanks for playing. I doubled (both undergrad and grad) in Computer Science and Political Science (logic is necessary for the former, and needed in the form of being badly lacking in the latter). I also studied one term of classical logic and aced it, for what it's worth.

So it's pretty easy for me to notice that your entire paragraph to me proceeds from two false premises: one, you assumed that I was in some way, any way at all, addressing the issue of why many Mudcatters object to anonymous snipers, and two, you assumed that the reasons for that objection have to do with not knowing your real name and email address. While the second is not what I was discussing in my post, it seems fairly obvious to me that it is false. There are dozens of Mucatters whose Mudcat handles I know, but not their real names. Doesn't bother me one bit, and I don't think it bothers most members of the community. Instead, it's anonymous sniping and ad hominem attacks that they object to.

I was merely replying to your statement that one of the primary reasons self-styled "outcasts" such as yourself won't establish a Mudcat ident is that joining Mudcat requires an email address, and that then somehow someone might be able to trace you to your inbox and spam you if they don't like what you post. All I was suggesting was that that's not at all the case if the email address you use to establish a Mudcat identity is one you never use. Use you real name on the email address, use a false name, call yourself Pepe Lepew; doesn't really matter to me a tinker's dang.

There are plenty of Mudcatters, true identities known and unknown, but with Mudcat IDs, who don't shrink at all from posting an opinion contradictory to those of other 'Catters (in or out of the alleged "clique"). My opinion is that the real reason for flaming anonymously is that it makes flaming easier, and makes the flamer, in his or her own mind, unaccountable for the fallout, and for the cruelty of their flames. But that's just my opinion, and unlike your post above, I don't foist off my unproven opinions as fact.

[Sorry to go into "Shadowspawn" mode there for a post, friends; this is, after all a music board, not a debate board. This post is really all I have to say on the matter, and won't do more than this response to further the life of this thread.]

Chris


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: alison
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 12:18 AM

wasn't me either kat

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 12:38 AM

I aced basic Logic too, and if you start with even one false premise, the result must also be false. Sorry, (whichever)GUEST, you lose this round. Want to play again? We got this club, you see...........wanna join? Get a cookie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 12:51 AM

Alison, I know, thanks....as I said before, it is no one who is in my current email addy book.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: SDShad
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 09:30 AM

Well, I kinda know logic, but apparently I don't know how to use the right HTML tag to terminate italics.... Yeesh. Oh well. Imagine that the word "All" is italicized and all the rest after it isn't.

C.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: GUEST,,&POI
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 09:35 AM

OK gang, will proceed to set up phony E-mail account & pick phony ID name, cutesy if possible, & 'register'- if this nugatory fantasy will make folks happy, so be it... when in Rome, etc. Will advise when done.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: GUEST,Binky
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 09:35 AM

Like I said before, Jeri ... maybe you're on to something. Your rational approach is much appreciated...the voice of reason, and all that....

"Guilt by association" - isn't that what's commonly known as prejudice?...so one, or two, or fifty, or a thousand are snipers; then, by God, they ALL are snipers. Logic was mentioned: this X is Y; therefore all X are Y. Isn't that a non sequitur logical fallacy? In any event, it's a gross generalization and a mischaracterization. Not all snipers are character assassins. Some snipers throw flowers instead of shooting barbs.

Who would've guessed when Max started the GUEST prefix, he inadvertently set the stage for an adversarial Us vs Them scenario...

As Mathew Henry said, "None so blind...."

Peace out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 09:45 AM

Join the club?   Get a cookie????

Jeez, people get a LIFE. This is only virtual reality, after all. Who's hostile NOW?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Snipe
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 10:27 AM

(Formerly Guest, and proud of it.)

Hi, Y'all! Happy now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: SDShad
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 10:31 AM

POI: You still don't understand what I was saying. I've never really been a part of the pro-guest/anti-guest debate, so you can't paint me with that brush, as much as you try. All I was saying was that joining isn't a risk of getting spammed, which was countering your claim. Join; don't join. Post; don't post. There are few things on the planet that matter less to me.

Cookie is a technical term, Guest. It's the locally-stored browser information that provides the proper info for connecting to the Mudcat with your Mudcat ident. Most web pages use them.

But by all means, please continue demonstrating your ignorance.

Who ever heard of a sniper throwing flowers,

Shad


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 11:19 AM

Who ever heard of a sniper throwing flowers.

My point exactly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 12:25 PM

Snipe, as Binky, (at least I think so) - You said "Guilt by association" - isn't that what's commonly known as prejudice? Yes. Exactly.

There are people on the other side of those keyboards. I don't believe in calling them names while they're in the process of getting to know us, and they have done nothing to deserve it. Honestly, how would you feel if it were your first time here and weren't sure you wanted to join? You log on a few times as GUEST and get called a "sniper" because someone you're unassociated with did some bad things.

I honestly don't care for what this place is showing signs of turning into. I have visions of villagers storming castles or picking up stones to throw at the monster. Me, I'm going to bake a nice batch of cookies, find some friendly people, and we'll all go up to the castle and invite the new people to a party. If they turn out to be mean, we'll go back to the village and leave them alone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 02:20 PM

It'll all work out, I suppose.

It's pretty disheartening when someone who for whatever reason posts an innocuous, anonymous comment no more vindictive than "Have a good day" - or God forbid an anonymous poster expresses an opinion - lest either or both comments are interpreted as an attack on someone's character. It's indicative of trauma that the words can't be read for what they are without letting negative experiences or prejudices color them to one's own disliking. And it's lamentable that one lets mere words have such an effect on one's interpretations in the first place. Then again, there were no guarantees from day one that everything would be fair.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 02:26 PM

It is lamentable that you, or at least we think it is you, continue to post convoluted, illogical, facetious innuendos in a pathetic attempt to justify keeping the negative experiences or prejudices alive by doing so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: sophocleese
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 02:34 PM

Its lamentable katlaughing that you keep responding in such a stupid, short sighted fashion to these things. They're feeding off of you and despite all the good advice given about not responding you do it over and over again. Fionn is right to ask what you would do if there were no flamers or trolls. Read your own words and apply them to yourself for a change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 03:10 PM

The people with names in this thread appear to be a lot more vicious than the GUESTS. Here's my little Mudcat Oath: I promise to do unto others as they do unto me. I promise to argue only with the words of others, and not attack their personalities or what I perceive as their motives. I promise to get the hell out of here for a while, because I'm sick of the paranoid, "go for the throat," Jerry Springer mentality that seems to make people think it's OK to be mean to others. See ya.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: sophocleese
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 03:21 PM

You're right Jeri. I apologise kat for the hurtful vigour with which I stated my opinion. Sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 03:45 PM

Thank you, Jeri, you are right and thank you, sohphocleese. I will also do my best to take Jeri's advice and go back to the ignore modeof the past six months.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 04:14 PM

This all reminds me of an episode of the old Star Trek series. Some alien life form had invaded the Enterprise and a Klingon ship. The aliens fed on the angry emotions of the humans and Klingons. They killed it off by ignoring it and laughing and having a good time together. Ha Ha Ha. Die, Sucker, die.


Mary Sunshine


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Snipe
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 06:25 PM

Nope! I'm not 'Binky'- formerly 'Guest & p.o.i.', vide above. Went thru all that trouble so I'd have a 'one, true identity' for y'all, & guess it wasn't worth the effort - nobody notices. But at least now I'm registered with the authorities, and all legal-like.

Later...


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: SDShad
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 11:22 PM

I'll notice, Snipe. Contribute substance to the community , and you're jake with me.

Chris


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: alison
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 12:25 AM

Hi snipe, welcome to Mudcat

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 12:56 AM

JERI JERI JERI JERI.... ;-)

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 12:58 AM

I'm a relatively new member and I've had a couple of interesting "guest" experiences. On a couple of occassions I logged out thinkng that it was what you are supposed to do when leaving a mudcat session. The next time I sent something in, it was as a guest. Eventually I realized that I had deleted my cookie, or whatever, and I reset it and everything was fine. One time, I wanted to ask a legitimate question, but I was embarrassed for the world to know that I didn't know the answer. I deleted my cookie, logged on as a guest, and asked my question. I got some great responses and everyone was very kind. So far, I have experienced nothing but kindness here at the mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Amergin
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 01:07 AM

Don't worry about asking questions, CarolC, that's part of what this place is about...I'll be the first to admit that I don't know shit....I also admit that all the threads talking about chords or notes and whatnot is pure gibberish to me, because of the fact that I don't speak the "language". So don't feel bad about not knowing something, there are those of us that know less....

BTW, welcome to the Mudcat.

Amergin


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 08:54 AM

"Mary Sunshine," I think the same thing whenever this snowball starts picking up momentum. There's that other episode with the serial murderer entity who feeds off fear - maybe the aliens were cousins. I wish we could see it happening and refuse to play before people started thrashing each other. Would have made a short Star Trek Episode.
Bones: "Spock, I'm gonna kick your ass, you pointy eared pundit!"
Spock: "Bones, remember that emotion-sucking alien from a few episodes back? We have another one."
Bones: "Oh damn, sorry - never mind. You heard the one about the terra-former's daughter?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Spamming email using M'cat names
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 10:09 AM

SO maybe we should spread a code around when we see it happening, something like ESA, for Emotion-sucking Alien?

Love the analogies, you two.


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