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Lyr Req: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner

Joe Offer 29 Aug 00 - 04:17 AM
GUEST,George Henderson - NSC 29 Aug 00 - 05:11 AM
Joe Offer 29 Aug 00 - 05:53 AM
Ranks 29 Aug 00 - 07:05 AM
GUEST,Bruce O. 29 Aug 00 - 06:58 PM
GUEST,George Henderson NSC 01 Sep 00 - 09:32 AM
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Subject: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 04:17 AM

Somebody posted this song request as a link on our links page. Can anybody help?
-Joe-
Butter and Cheese
As sung by Sam Larner of Winterton, I wiuld like the words, can anyone help


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Subject: Lyr Add: BUTTER AND CHEESE (Sam Larner)
From: GUEST,George Henderson - NSC
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 05:11 AM

Joe, I try to sing this song myself. I'm not very computer literate so you will have to disregard clumsy attempts at line breaks.

Well now you've called on me to sing I'll see what I can do,
And when that I have finished it I'll call on one of you.
Well now you've called on me to sing I'll see what I can do,
And when that I have finished it I'll call on one of you.
I'll call on one of you.

The very first time I went a-courting I'll tell you the reason why,
It was to a jolly old cook who my wants she did supply.
She fed me on the best roast beef and plenty of mince pies,
And whenever that I was hungry, my wants she did supply,
My wants she did supply.

One day I went round to see her and she asked me into tea,
She said the master and missus was out and we'd have a jolly ould spree,
I went into the parlour me tummy for to please,
And into me pocket she's rammed some butter and into the other some cheese,
And into the other some cheese.

Well now supper being over, and I could eat no more.
Oh Lord !! to my surprise a knock comes to the door.
I looked around for a place to hide but that I couldn't know.
So its into the chimney I did creep, just as black as any ould crow,
As black as any ould crow.

Well the fire being rather warm it began to toast me knees,
Likewise to melt me butter, Likewise to toast me cheese,
And as every drop fell in the fire a terrible flame was there.
And the master swore as in his own house that the Devil himself was there,
That the Devil himself was there.

So it's way upon the roof he crawled to drive poor Geordie out,
And he began to pour cold water down which put me to a rout,
It's out of the chimney I did creep and into the street did crawl,
I was forced to ramble as fast as I could clutching my butter and cheese and all,
Clutching my butter and Cheese and all.

Well some said it was the devil and him they very well know,
Others said it was Geordie myself just as black as any ould crow,
The women screamed the dogs did bark and the children laughed and all,
And then they began to blabber as how you've got butter and cheese and all.
We've got butter and cheese and all.

From the singing of Dave Burland. (I didn't know that he got from Sam Larner)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 05:53 AM

Thanks, George. I added the <br> line breaks. I also changed the last verse, and I hope I did it right. Your had "the dogs did barn and the childer..." did I do it right?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner
From: Ranks
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 07:05 AM

It is not quite the Version Sam Larner sang:

Here are Sams words where it is pretty different:

Verse 3: ... I went into the Parlor My own true Love to Please

Verse 6

So up the top the Master went to drive Old Harry out

Last Verse

Now some they said it was Old Nick For him they very well know And some they said twas the Devil himself For I was as black as a crow The dogs did bark, the Children Screamed out flew the old womes all .... Taken fom: Now os the Time for Fishin on Folkways (from 1961)

Greetings

Ranks


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 06:58 PM

#510 in Steve Roud's folk song index. It's been collected as far west as Utah, and elsewhere in the US and in Canada also. See "Cookey's Courtship" on the Bodley Ballads website for a Pitts issue.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner
From: GUEST,George Henderson NSC
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 09:32 AM

Thanks Joe.

I got the song from Dave Burland who sang : "to drive poor Davy out". I simply put in a version of my own name as most singers would.

Also, with a traditional song I like to change one or two words to put my own mark on it , so to speak. These changes are insignificant to the meaning of the song but give it character to me.

I didn't know that Sam Larner sang the song but what a great singer that man was.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner
From: Bernard
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 08:28 PM

I remember hearing it sung by the late Peter Bellamy many years ago, in his inimitable style.

God rest his soul...


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE GREASY COOK
From: MMario
Date: 01 Mar 02 - 03:30 PM

THE GREASY COOK
Folksongs of Britain and Ireland - Kennedy p 305

I fell in love with a grea-sy cook
And that I can't de-ny
I fell in love with a grea-sy cook
And I'll tell you the rea-son why
And I'll tell you the rea-son why

Plum-puddin', roast beef but plenty
Plum-puddin' and roast beef
And when my belly was empty
She would give to me relief
She would give to me relief

I kndly was invited
Some supper for to take
And kindly I did accept it
All for my stomach's sake
All for my stomach's sake

Now after tea was over
The cupboard she got the keys
One pocket she crammed with butter
The other she crammed with cheese
The other she crammed with cheese

We had not been there very long
About an hour or more
Her master smelling of the cheese
Came rap-tap at the door
Came rap-tap at the door

I'd been a-sitting at supper
I'd nowhere for to go
So I crawled up the chimey
As black as any crow
As black as any corw

I had not been there very long
A-sitting at me ease
The fire melted my butter
And likewise toasted my cheese
And likewise toasted my cheese

Every drop the fell in the fire
It caused the old fire to rear
That old woman looked up at the chimbley top
And swor the old devil was there
And swore the old devil was there

Her master got to the chimbley top
A bucket of water let fall
And I came tumbling after
My butter, cheese and all
My butter, cheese and all
The dogs they barked, the children screamed
Up flew the windows all
The old woman cried out: well done, well done
There go butter and cheese and all
The go butter and cheese and all.


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Subject: Tune Add: THE GREASY COOK
From: MMario
Date: 01 Mar 02 - 03:34 PM

N-THE GREASY COOK C-traditional A- T- S-100 K-F B-6/8 F-from FolkSongs of Briatain and Ireland - Kennedy H- M-5R-2 R-8 c-8 a-4 F-8 F-8 G-8 a-8 c-4 b-8 G-4 C-8 C-4 a-8 a-4 F-8 G-2_G-8 C-8 L-I fell in love with a grea-sy cook And that I can't deny. I H- M-5F-4 F-8 F-8 E-8 D-8 C-4 C-8 C-4 C-0 C-0 F-8 F-8 F-8 G-4 G-8 c-5 c-4 a-8 G-8 a-8 G-8 C-4 E-8 L-fell in love with a grea-sy cook And I'll tell you the rea-son why And I'll tell you the rea-son H- M-1F-5_F-4 R-8 L-why. 

MIDI file: notind~1.mid

Timebase: 192

Name: THE GREASY COOK
Text: By FolkSongs of Britain and Ireland
Copyright: Kennedy p 305
Key: F
TimeSig: 6/8 24 8
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This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the latest version of MIDItext and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 01 Mar 02 - 04:53 PM

Please give credit where it's due; this set was recorded (by Peter Kennedy) from Harry Cox of Potter Heigham, Norfolk, in 1953. Cox was a fine traditional singer with an extensive repertoire; a lot of well-known revival singers have recorded arrangements of songs that came from him.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 02 - 05:50 PM

Sandy where are you? Harry Cox sings "The Greasy Cook" on Folk Legacy FSB-20


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner
From: GUEST,Peter Nalder
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 01:56 AM

Vaughan Williams collected the song in Berkshire as well


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 02:45 AM

"To drive Old Harry out" -- should not be altered to singer's own name. 'Old Harry' was a variant of 'Old Nick': a euphemism for The Devil. (But I do sing "Others said no, but 'twas Mike, meself"..., and various other 'personilisations'.)

This is title track on my old record, Brewhouse, #BH8903. Also on my YouTube channel ~~

http://www.youtube.com/user/mgmyer

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 03:18 AM

Sam Larner once explained that in the old days in coastal Norfolk, the press gangs used to go from house to house searching for 'recruits'.
The older houses had large fireplaces (you can still find them in Ireland) and some of the local people fitted metal rods into the chimneys so that, when the 'gangs' were in the area, a likely victim could climb up and stand on the rail until they had gone away
He associated the practice with this song.
Walter Pardon lived three miles from the coast and a fair distance from any significantly sized coastal town, but he had also heard of the practice.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner
From: GUEST,#
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 05:37 PM

http://mainlynorfolk.info/peter.bellamy/songs/butterandcheeseandall.html


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Butter and Cheese - Sam Larner
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 11:14 PM

Greasy Cook, The (Butter and Cheese and All, The Cook's Choice)

DESCRIPTION: The singer keeps company with a cook. One day she is about to send him off with cheese and butter when the master comes in. He hides in the chimney; the fire melts cheese and butter and sets them afire. The master douses him; he flees to a chorus of jeers
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: before 1845 (broadside, Bodleian Harding B 11(692)))
KEYWORDS: cook courting food humorous
FOUND IN: Britain(England(South),Scotland(Aber)) Ireland Canada(Newf)
REFERENCES (6 citations):
Greenleaf/Mansfield 108, "Butter and Cheese and All" (1 text)
Peacock, pp. 251-252, "Butter and Cheese" (1 text, 1 tune)
GreigDuncan4 914, "A Cook I Went a-Courtin'" (1 fragment, 1 tune)
Williams-Thames, pp. 108-109, "Butter and Cheese and All" (1 text) (also Wiltshire-WSRO Ox 304 with vocal rendition)
Copper-SoBreeze, pp. 236-237, "The Cook's Choice" (1 text, 1 tune)
Kennedy 129, "The Greasy Cook" (1 text, 1 tune)

Roud #510
RECORDINGS:
Harry Cox, "The Greasy Cook" (on HCox01)
Sam Larner, "Butter and Cheese" (on SLarner02)
Mrs Clara Stevens, "Butter and Cheese" (on PeacockCDROM) [one verse only]

BROADSIDES:
Bodleian, Harding B 11(692), "Cookey's Courtship", "Cupboard Love" or "Butter, Cheese, and All" ("Tis a pity you should teaze me so"), J. Pitts (London), 1819-1844; also Firth c.18(274), "Butter and Cheese"
CROSS-REFERENCES:
cf. "The Boatsman and the Chest" [Laws Q8] (plot) and references there
NOTES: This and similar songs are sometimes traced back to a story in Boccaccio (seventh day, second story: Gianella, Peronella, and her husband). But the story is really one of the basic themes of folktale, and doubtless predates Boccaccio as well as these songs. - RBW
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