BS: Quiz - Songs about people

Subject: Quiz - Songs about people
From: IanC
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 05:40 AM

Loads of peoples' names appear in folk songs. Here's a quick quiz about some of them. Shouldnt take more that half an hour or so, as all the songs are in DT with the exception of the football reference (I can't find this on the net, so if anyone's got it could you post?).

People Quiz

1. Captain Kidd, Admiral Benbow and a light-fingered chimney sweep all have something in common.

2. Even though he was football crazy, he was the stoutest man in the forty twa.

3. Sandy Denny and Joan Baez both went to London to plead for the life of this man from Newcastle. Dolly Parton didn't, and maybe that's why they killed him anyway.

4. If you do it for her today, she'll do it for you tomorrow. The result might be something of a tangle, though.

5. He might be rare and he might be fair, but I can't believe he drowned in Achillea millefolium. Must have been the sea.

6. A famous king who had three sons. But they had to work for a living, and all of them met sticky ends.

7. This chap was well known for doing things by twos but when he wanted some birds eye maple, he had to go to a small carpenter's shop near the river Irwell.

8. A "handsome, buxom, bustling lady" whose husband Ralph kept the "Swan" public-house at Pictree (or so it says in Ritson's Bishopric Garland, 1784). She won't get up in time to feed the pigs, though.

9. A young and single sailor, alright. But when he comes back, she's ditched him and got married. Must be the Liverpool air.

10. Ghostly purveyor of Mytilus edulis and Cardium edule, first spotted in the capital of Eire.

Answers as you get them!!!

Cheers!
Ian

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 06:02 AM

Too busy to work these out, but before I dash back to work, I'll say Molly Malone for the last one!
RtS

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: GUEST,keith A at work
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 07:28 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: GUEST,keith A at work
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 07:36 AM

9=Johnnie todd,4=die,3=Geordie,1=tune.
Any prizes?
Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Les from Hull
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 07:47 AM

7 Noah 8 Elsie Marley

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: IanC
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 07:50 AM

Sorry folks, forgot to say. The answers are all names!

Cheers!
Ian

PS 1st prize = a night at "The Bushel & Strike" session on 1st Monday of the month. Last prize = 2 nights.

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Les from Hull
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 07:51 AM

5 would be Willie (again). He gets about does that lad! Ee I love a quiz, me!

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Les from Hull
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 07:53 AM

So 1 is Sam Hall, then

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Les from Hull
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 07:57 AM

6 Good King Arthur

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: IanC
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 08:09 AM

Right, We've got:

1. Sam Hall (all dancing to the same tune - who was first, though?)
2. ???
3. Geordie (Why wouldn't Dolly Parton turn up, he might have been saved from the Hangman, Hangman)
4. ???
5. Willie (drowned in Yarrow or by the Deep Blue Sea)
6. Arthur (who must have lived in Kings Lynn)
7. Noah (though he still didn't get his maple, price was too high)
8. Alice (Elsie) Marley (wthat's what you get playing with the aristocracy)
9. Johnny Todd (famous for notions)
10. Molly Malone (why didn't she sell whelks ... much safer)

Only 2 and 4 to go ... any ideas?
Ian

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Snuffy
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 08:54 AM

Wasn't it Jock McGraw who was fitba' crazy?

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 09:32 AM

4. Barbara Allen!

Sweet William died for me today;
I'll die for him tomorrow."

They buried her in the old churchyard,
Sweet William's grave was nigh her,
And from his heart grew a red, red rose,
And from her heart a brier.

They grew and they grew o'er the old church wall,
Till they couldn't grow no higher,
Until they tied a true lover's knot,
The red rose and the brier.

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Noreen
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 09:50 AM

4. Barbara Allen

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Noreen
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 09:52 AM

Humph

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: IanC
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 10:04 AM

Thanx, Noreen!

you got 'em

2. Jock McGraw (the stoutest man in the Forty Twa)
4. Barbary Ellen

Seriously, has anybody got anything on "Football Crazy" by Robin Hall & Jimmie McGregor. The other one's in DT but I can't find FC anywhere.

Cheers!
Ian

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Noreen
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 10:17 AM

Good quiz, Ian. Thanks. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: IanC
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 10:41 AM

Yik! Here's another ten from the DT ... all Lords & Ladies this time!

1. She's lamenting hubby's loss in the ice.

2. He'd have been far better having toads for his meat. Pity about the greyhounds, too.

3. She's frequently slain with a Scottish Earl

4. He told the 600 what to do, and played with Alma too

5. Duped by the pitman's wife from hell

6. She wed the man who killed her seven brothers

7. American lord who had them Jackhammer blues (sorry, had to do this!)

8. Preferred another, so he sent the old bride home in a coach and three

9. She sews a silken seam for baby owls

10. An early Churchill who came recruiting

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Midchuck
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 10:47 AM

Is three Lady Mondegreen? That's sneaky!

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Les from Hull
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 11:02 AM

1 Lady Franklin (but according to Les Barker, hubby's in Milton Keynes!) 8 Lord Bateman (back from his holidays in Proud Torquay - as some would have it) 10 Lord Marlborough? (who'll be a soldier? not I sez Les!)

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: alison
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 11:15 AM

here's and earlier thread about "football crazy"

"lady mondegreen" is VERY sneaky....lol

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Les from Hull
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 11:29 AM

So 4 would be Lord Raglan, unless it's the Earl of Cardigan. One of those clothing-related peers, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: GUEST,MJ
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 11:43 AM

The thread on "Football Crazy" doesn't make clear that the original Irish song is not about the football known in some parts as soccer but about Gaelic football, a rather different game.

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: IanC
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 11:53 AM

Guest

As far as I know, "Football Crazy" was written by scotsmen Robin Hall & Jimmie McGregor and is about soccer.

Cheers!
Ian

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: IanC
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 12:22 PM

Right. So far we've got:

1. Lady Franklin 2. ??? 3. Lady Mondegreen 4. Lord Raglan 5. ??? 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. Lord Bateman 9. ??? 10. Lord Marlborough

Anyone got any ideas about the rest?

Cheers!
Ian

PS If you think 3's sneaky, how about 7!

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: jeffp
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 12:48 PM

Number 2 is King Henry, who provided horse, hounds, and goshawks for meat. Don't know beans about the others.

jeffp, so proud to have gotten even one.

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: GUEST,SueH
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 12:50 PM

Hi Ian
2. King Henry
5. Lord Firedamp
6. Lady Margaret
7. Jackhammer John
9. Lady Erskine

I claim the prize!!
Sue

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: IanC
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 12:51 PM

JeffP

Nope! The toads is only in one version I know, but the greyhounds is a dead giveaway.

;-)
Ian

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: IanC
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 12:57 PM

Well done Sue ... you're welcome at The Bushel. I had "Lord Lord" for 7. How sneaky is that?

jeffp ... sorry - your answer was better than my question. Here's a third and final bunch - this time heroes and (occasional) villains. Again, all in DT.

Heroes (or maybe villains)

1. She was a real flier, but she ended up just a speck against the sky
2. Marched around a lot, but he lost his flowers at Moscow
3. He gained the mechanical advantage, but he died doing it
4. Very varied hobbies! ... including bear wrestling and bell mending
5. He'd better not touch me! He'd better not ...
6. Eight lovers combed her wavy black hair, but now she's gone (I don't know where)
7. He came out of the West, and went back there once he'd got his girl
8. He went fishing, but it was the worm that caused him the most bother
9. He had a very nasty effect on walls, but not without music
10. A gentleman who, coming from decent people, planted cabbages and potatoes

Cheers!
Ian

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Les from Hull
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 01:14 PM

1 Amelia Erhart 2 Napoleon I (bonny bunch of roses) 8 Sir John Lambton (ya buggar!) 9 Joshua (fit the Battle of Jericho)

It's smashing, is this.

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: IanC
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 01:14 PM

Sorry ... got into a twist just up a bit. #2 in the Lords & Ladies one was Lord Randall:

Far better, I entreat, to have toads for your meat
Than to eat of the wild, wild berry
Lie low, sweet Randall.

I'm away now, see you tomorrow!

Cheers!
Ian

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: RWilhelm
Date: 07 Jun 01 - 02:16 PM

I think 3 is John Henry and 4 is Davy Crocket

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: IanC
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 04:28 AM

So we've got:

1. Amelia Earhart
2. Napoleon Bonaparte
3. John Henry
4. Davy Crockett
5. ???
6. ???
7. ???
8. Sir John Lambton
9. Joshua
10. ???

Four to go. Any ideas?

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Frug
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 05:00 AM

10 sounds like St. Patrick.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Snuffy
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 08:38 AM

5 Sir Jasper? 7 Young Lochinvar?

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: IanC
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 08:41 AM

Only #6 to go, then I can go home!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 09:04 AM

6. Belle Starr

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: IanC
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 09:33 AM

Thanks, Mary. I'm just packing my things away at work and I'll be off home for the weekend! And thanks everybody for keeping me so amused when I should have been ultra bored.

Just watch out for the extra threads on Mudcat where people have seen something that interests them (I've noticed one or two in the last day).

Cheers! (and have a good weekend)
Ian

PS has anybody turned up the "Football Crazy" lyrics yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: alison
Date: 08 Jun 01 - 08:28 PM

I gave you a link to them in a thread.... just scroll back up

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: Abby Sale
Date: 09 Jun 01 - 10:51 AM

IanC: I have read (Stuart Frank p. 36-38) that the historical Captain Kidd (d1699) & Sam (Jack) Hall (d1701, not hanged for light-fingerism, but for murder) and Benbow (d1702) died within a few years of each other. So it would be difficult to exactly give the actual first of the three. The tune is likely from the broadside of 1660 which, in turn, uses the older tune, "Sound a Charge." But that's Bruce O's department.

I have "Fitba' Crazy" sung by Ewan MacColl on Scots Street Songs (Riverside LP, 1956). He just says that it's popular among Glasgow children and sung as far away as New Zealand & southern Ireland. He clearly believes it refers to "soccer." He sings a two-verse Scottish song, in the db as "Fitba' Crazy." (your spelling's too good.)

Subject: RE: BS: Quiz - Songs about people
From: GUEST,gareth
Date: 09 Jun 01 - 03:18 PM

Re: Ian C's posting 07/06/01 10.41 hrs

No. 5 Agree Mudcat version = "Lord Firedamp", the version that I learnt 30 years ago was "Lord Faringdon" (pronounced Farndon). As the Faringdons were a large Coal Owning familly in the North of England I suspect that this could be the original - not that it matters much, the sentiments are the same, - and mutated as it travelled.

No. 10 - Yes "The Streets of Rochester" would fit for "Lord Marlbrough". As an alternative try (and please excuse my spelling en fracais) "Marlebruk s'vent en guerre"

Gareth