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Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)

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Subject: I don't like Mondays
From: Sooz
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 01:44 PM

Bob Geldoff's song "I don't like Monday's" appears in our repertoir occasionally and when we performed it at Newark Folk Club last week, we were told that the girl who did the shooting was due to get out of prison soon. I have to confess my ignorance and admit that I can't even remember her name. If anyone can fill me in on the facts I would be very grateful.

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Subject: RE: Historical info needed
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 01:45 PM

I haven't though of that song in years...

cool...

Hopefully someone here will have the 411

;-)


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed
From: Justa Picker
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 01:48 PM

The "Official" Story


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 01:59 PM

"but said she is not guilty of murder because she was under the influence of alcohol and the hallucinogenic drug PCP."

2 words... bull... and shit!!!

Intoxication is NOT a defence!


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed
From: SeanM
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 03:21 PM

I don't know, Clinton... sounds like she's suffering from something along the lines of disassociative schizoid paranoia. Pretty common delusions...

Of course, it's also not cureable, so it's the difference between being locked up in a prison or locked up in an asylum. Well, I guess the meds are better in the asylum...

But as to the song...

I'm going off of memory here, but in an interview, I seem to remember Geldoff (of the BOOMTOWN Rats, not 'Boontown', as the link states) wrote the song in one go in a couple hours after hearing and being... er... "inspired" by the shooting.

It's also noteable that this was one of two songs on similar topics that came out nearly at the same time. The other was by a punk band (I want to say the Stranglers, but I'm pretty sure that's wrong), and was called "Gary Gilmore's Eyes", written about the execution of convicted murderer Gary Gilmore (I believe in Boston?). In any case, "Mondays" steamrollered "Gilmore", probably because "Mondays" is just such a haunting melody.

M


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 03:38 PM

What's the difference being locked up because yer a dope-wacked murderer, or locked up because you're so crazy that you're a danger to yourself and others?

Then end result is the same...


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 03:51 PM

Nice Christmas present from her dad. *voice dripping with irony*


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed
From: Sooz
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 09:14 AM

Thanks - My education is now complete.


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 04:18 PM

for the sake of completeness and searchability, here is the text that Justa Picker linked to:
Date sent: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:46:06 -0700
From: mren@yahoo.com
To: dwcoote@myna.com
Subject: I dont like mondays

Here's the story behind the Boontown Rats song I Don't Like Mondays. The shooting occurred in California - the San Diego area. Here's an article from a local paper when she was up for parole:

No parole for sniper who hated Mondays She killed 2, wounded 9 in '79 San Carlos spree

ANNE KRUEGER
Staff Writer [San Diego (CA) Union-Tribune ]

22-Jan-1993 Friday

CORONA -- Brenda Spencer, who has been imprisoned since she killed two people and wounded nine others in a 1979 San Carlos schoolyard shooting, was turned down yesterday for a chance at parole.

Spencer, 30, did not appear before the three-member Board of Prison Terms panel considering her first opportunity for parole from the Frontera women's prison. But she said in a written statement that she plans to file a legal challenge to her conviction on two murder charges and one of assault with a deadly weapon, contending that authorities conspired against her.

Spencer pleaded guilty to the charges in October 1979, just as her trial was to begin, and was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

Spencer, then 16, fired a volley of bullets from her house toward the Cleveland Elementary School playground Jan. 29, 1979. She told a reporter who called her during the 6 1/2 -hour siege that she opened fire because, "I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day."

The shooting attracted worldwide attention, and an Irish rock group, the Boomtown Rats, wrote a song titled "I Don't Like Mondays."

In her statement yesterday, Spencer claimed for the first time that she had been under the influence of drugs and alcohol when she opened fire.

She also contended that police, prosecutors and her defense attorney conspired to fabricate laboratory test results that revealed no drugs in her system after she surrendered to police.

She alleged she was given mind-altering drugs for two years after her arrest and did not realize until a few months ago that she had signed an agreement to plead guilty to first-degree murder.

"People who saw me say I was a zombie (during her court hearings)," Spencer said in her statement. "I said what they told me to say, I did what they told me to do."

Spencer said in her statement that she is active in a prison group of about 50 women who contend that they were given mind-altering drugs while they were jailed awaiting trial. She said she plans to file a federal civil rights suit and is seeking help from state legislators and members of Congress.

Both former prosecutor Charles Patrick, who is now a Municipal Court judge, and Spencer's attorney, Michael McGlinn, vehemently denied that any evidence was hidden in her case.

"It's just absolute nonsense," Patrick said. "There was never any indication that any test results were in any way falsified."

McGlinn, who wrote a letter on Spencer's behalf that was read at yesterday's hearing, said Spencer was trying to challenge her conviction because she realized that the state Board of Prison Terms is not giving parole dates to prisoners. He said Spencer got the best defense he could give her.

"It obviously was a tragic case, but we couldn't do any better than we did," McGlinn said. "She got our fullest attention."

Spencer's claims, outlined in the statement read by Richard Jallins, an El Cajon lawyer who represented her at the hearing, elicited little sympathy from members of the parole board.

Former state senator James Nielsen, the chairman of the board, said Spencer had somewhat recognized her responsibility for the crime, but said, "That acknowledgement is woven in a web of denial, excuse and blame-claiming."

The board members -- Nielsen, former El Cajon state assemblywoman Carol Bentley and former San Diego Police Department assistant chief Manny Guaderrama -- said Spencer would have to wait three years before she would again be considered for parole.

Spencer opened fire from her house on Lake Atlin Avenue across the street from the school at 8:30 a.m., just as students were heading into their classes from the playground.

Principal Burton Wragg, 53, was killed, and Mike Suchar, 56, the school's head custodian was shot in the chest and killed when he ran to help Wragg. Eight children were wounded as they ran for cover, and a police officer was wounded in the neck.

Authorities drove a trash disposal truck between Spencer's house and the school to block her line of fire. After hours of negotiations with police, Spencer surrendered. Police found a .22-caliber semiautomatic rifle and about 40 expended shells in her home.

Daryl Barnes, who was a teacher at Cleveland Elementary, saw Spencer's bullets hit and kill Wragg and Suchar. He also brought a wounded child into the school while screaming for someone to call police.

Barnes, who did not attend the hearing, said Spencer should never be released from prison.

"Everybody makes mistakes and should be forgiven, but to me it's a capital crime," said Barnes, who is now a fifth-grade teacher at Hancock Elementary School in Tierrasanta. "If the sentence is 25 years, she shouldn't be paroled until the 25 years are up."

Spencer contended in her statement to the parole board that she is remorseful for the crime but said she is not guilty of murder because she was under the influence of alcohol and the hallucinogenic drug PCP.

"I live with the unbearable pain every day of knowing that I was responsible for the death of two people and caused many others physical and emotional pain and suffering," Spencer said in the statement. "But I'm not a murderer."

She said that while under the influence of the drugs, she started to hallucinate and saw commando types in paramilitary gear advance toward her house. She said she barricaded herself in and started shooting, using the rifle her father had given her for Christmas.

She also said she doubts whether the victims were hit by bullets from her rifle, contending that they might have been shot by police and that police officers lied in court about how many shots they fired.

While in prison, Spencer has graduated from high school and taken college courses and vocational courses in electronics. She has had only minor disciplinary problems.

Deputy District Attorney Dave Berry urged the Board of Prison Terms members not to grant parole for Spencer, citing her lack of remorse and indications that she had planned the shootings days before they occurred.

While the board members deliberated for 35 minutes on their decision in Spencer's case, she could be seen in a small room next to the board's hearing room. Wearing glasses and with her red hair in a short punkish cut, she appeared much like her pictures following her 1979 arrest.

None of the victims of Spencer's shooting spree appeared at yesterday's hearing. Those contacted by a reporter said they did not know about the hearing and said officials had not told them it was scheduled.

Wragg's widow, Kathe, said she hopes Spencer never gets out of prison.

"I could never feel trustworthy of a person like that," Wragg said. "Just the idea that she felt she had to kill somebody. It's so self-serving and inward. I would never want her to be out. I have not seen any remorse."

Wragg, who never remarried, said she is constantly reminded of her husband's death.

"This is always on my mind. You never forget," she said. "It did a lot to our family."

Norman Buell's daughter, Christy, was 9 when she was hit twice by bullets fired by Spencer. Buell, who works with troubled adolescents in a group home, said he would have no objection to Spencer being paroled from prison. He cited Spencer's youth at the time of the shooting and his belief that Spencer was abused.

"Those things put together are not a good chemical mix and I could see where it would happen," Norman Buell said. "I personally would say that she's served her sentence."

Christy Buell, now 23, works at a daycare center in San Carlos. Buell said one child who was enrolled at the center was the offspring of Brenda Spencer's father, Wallace, and his present wife, who was Brenda Spencer's 17-year-old cellmate when she was being held at Juvenile Hall.

Wallace Spencer still lives in the same house across the street from the former Cleveland Elementary School, which is now the home of San Diego Hebrew Day School. He refused to comment when contacted by a reporter.


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 05:48 PM

Being of a slightly pedantic disposition, I'd love to know which paper this came from. Help, anyone?


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: marty D
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 06:32 PM

"Her father gave her a rifle for Christmas"??? FOR CHRISTMAS?

Mind boggling.

marty


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 17 Jun 01 - 02:08 AM

She's what, 16 when this happened, she says she was under the influence of drink and drugs at 8.30am on a Monday morning and her daddy gave her a rifle for a present - presumably with all the paperwork and permits?? I can see a possible 3 crimes here before she even picks up the bloody rifle! And where was daddy that day?

Under the influence is not an excuse. It didn't work on the drunk driver that killed my brother, it shouldn't work on other killers.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: Crazy Eddie
Date: 17 Jun 01 - 02:22 AM

"Her father gave her a rifle for Christmas"??? FOR CHRISTMAS? "

Peace on Earth, and Good Will To ALL Men
Of Course "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"
So how many would she have been able to kill if she'd been given say, a chess set, or a Hi Fi?


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Jun 01 - 12:06 PM

You've never seen me play chess have you??

LOL!!!


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Jun 01 - 06:38 PM

I appreciate your pedantic nature, Susanne. I tend to be that way myself. I think it's important that we're accurate when we post information here. I couldn't find the original source of the article - I copied it from the link JustaPicker provided. Before and after the article was written, Anne Krueger was a staff writer at the San Diego (California) Union-Tribune. I guess it's safe to assume she was working for that paper at the time she wrote this article, so I added that to the attribution.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: SeanM
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 01:55 AM

Clinton;

I'd say that the difference between the two is the treatment you get, though that is open to debate. In a sane world, if she were in fact criminally insane, she'd be placed in a treatment environment, where whatever could possibly be done to treat her would be done.

Once again, in a sane world, in prison she'd be in a similar situation, but rather than trying to concentrate on the medical reasons she commited the crime, rehabilitation would focus on 'correcting' the aberrant impulses and behavior.

I refuse to go into what REALLY occurs in either situation.

M


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 12:32 PM

The end resuly I was talking aobut is that she would be locked up away from anyone else she could hurt...

Treatment is lower priority in my mind I guess...


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: GUEST,Kim C, no cookie
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 12:48 PM

Eddie, if she had got a chess set or a hi-fi, she simply would have found the gun somewheres else.


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: GeorgeH
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 02:34 PM

Murder requires intent.

If you're out of your head then, IMO, there can't be any certainty of intent. Like it or not, the distinction is an important one. And is best made away from the emotive subject of killing kids.

Though if it takes you than long to realise you were out of your head I guess people may be a little sceptical about your claim.

Then again, we know you have to be the president of the US of A to go killing kids with impunity . . (and that the Prime Minister of the UK will then bend over backwards to wash the blood off your hands . . the only distinction between the two powers is their ABILITY to do so, not their morality . . )

The only bullshit I see here is Kim C's nonsense . . .

G.


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 05:50 PM

Sean, 'twas The Adverts that did Gary Gilmore's Eyes in 1977 (I think!). I had to look it up, though! I thought it was the Stranglers, too.

Skipjack


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: zoogma
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 06:33 PM

slightly off topic- but for those of you who don'tlike mondays. heard it on the radio one morning, had to search it up. don't think it will inspire any gruesome shootings, thank god:)

mickey mouse monday sucks- http://www.spin.net.au/~asavoy/funclub/naughties.htm


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: Willie-O
Date: 18 Jun 01 - 07:16 PM

George is right. It doesn't necessarily have direct bearing on this case because the question of whether Spencer was actually intoxicated or hallucinating is what appears to be the main point of debate. If they can't establish that with any degree of certainty, this is one case where you can be fairly certain the balance of "reasonable doubt" will not be awarded to the defendant.

And yeah, (hi Kim, nice to see you back from vacation?) people who are out of their heads on something or other would have to form an awful lot of intent to go somewhere and obtain a firearm while out of their head on something or other...I think its pretty sure they'll use the closest thing that comes to hand. Easy availability of firearms, especially by minors, leads to many avoidable tragedies.

Willie-O


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Subject: RE: Historical info needed - I Don't Like Mondays
From: WickedLad
Date: 19 Jun 01 - 02:52 AM

here is a ite on Brenda Spencer http://www.mail-archive.com/seeknfind@ashlists.org/msg03569.html It mentions stuff about her family life and other problems which didnt come up due to there being no trial


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 01:58 AM

Brenda Spencer wanted a radio for Christmas - her dad gave her a rifle instead.

Extremely sad; I get tears in my eyes thinking about that (and I'm a big, tough guy).


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 12:34 AM

well I spoke with Brenda Spencer 5 days before her shooting at Cleveland elementary school.
   I passed her in the hall and said hi as well as told her I was moving to Fresno next week.
I'm not sure if I said I was moving Monday or not as I spoke to her that Wednesday morning but did mention I was moving.
   My dad was completly shocked as was I listening to that SPECIAL NEWS BULLITEN on the radio that day we drove towards our new hometown of Fresno.
   Now Brenda spoke seldom to anybody in schools we both attended from the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th and half of 11th grade. but I had her in my English class during the 78 school year so I knew her quite well after a semester sitting across from her the prior year thats how I know her.
My 30th high school reunion is Aug, 21 and I'm going to attempt a visit to the prison facility to speak with Brenda atfer she left me hanging in Fresno without an explanation. wish me luck John Patrick Henry High SAchool class of 1980


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 12:48 PM

i think the song is about the fact that many parents are to busy to give their children time and understanding and the fact that it was inapropriate for any parent to give their child a fucking gun but mostly that a person does not just wake up one day and go on killing spree there are normally various hints eg in the columbine case there had been suspicions that the boys were making home made bombs and the police ignored it its about realising that if we dont listen to young people who are in trouble or investigate allegations because we percieve this person not to be the type personally i would rather be questioned for hours to prove innocence than let a guilty person go free


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: GUEST,Canuck
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 07:09 PM

#1 She took the PCP AND Alcohol, Both of which were Illegal for    Her, No One forced Her too

#2 She claims then that She never fired that many shots,that it was the Police. So How does She figure that out,if She was out of it?

#3 "I live with the unbearable pain every day of knowing that I was responsible for the death of two people and caused many others physical and emotional pain and suffering," Spencer said in the statement. "But I'm not a murderer."                               Then Goes on to state                                                                "She also said she doubts whether the victims were hit by bullets from her rifle, contending that they might have been shot by police and that police officers lied in court about how many shots they fired".
So how can You have unbearable Pain for something You admit You did, When You NOW Say They were shot by the Police instead? (Sounds like,She'll say anything to lessen Her Sentence,because Now,It's no longer just hating Mondays,It's hating being stuck in Jail)? - In Her Logic, Police came to Her House,Shot at these people then fired Her gun off to frame Her,beause She was taking Drugs and Pcp?

#4 She now SAYS,that while under the influence of the drugs, she started to hallucinate and saw commando types in paramilitary gear advance toward her house. She said she barricaded herself in and started shooting, using the rifle her father had given her for Christmas".                                                            Yet,Before, She never once stated this,and instead, She told a reporter who called her DURING the 6 1/2 -hour siege, that she opened fire because, "I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day."

The full Quote She gave When asked why she committed the shooting
Spencer replied, "I just did it for the fun of it. I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day. I have to go now. I shot a pig (policeman) I think and I want to shoot more. I'm having too much fun (to surrender)."She also said, "I had no reason for it, and it was just a lot of fun," "It was just like shooting ducks in a pond,"' and, "[The children] looked like a herd of cows standing around; it was really easy pickings."

No mention of Commandos when it was FRESH in Her Head !

#5 Her Classmates Stated that the week before the shootings Spencer said that she wanted "to do something big to get on TV."

#6 People are Dead from what She did, No excuses will bring them Back,She lived on, while They did not. Families endured Great pain from Her Actions and irregardless She is Dangerous !


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: RTim
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 07:15 PM

An old work friend of mine had to visit Nice in France, and boarded a plane at Heathrow, only to find that one of the passengers was Mr. Geldof - who was complaining about everything - It was a Monday!
So my friends says - "What, you don't like Mondays?"
To which Geldof said - "Fuck off!"

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 12:33 PM

He clearly still has a way with words!


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: GUEST,Someone :P
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 12:50 PM

I think the father has something to do with it because almost every person who goes through a trauma like this moves out of the house where the event happened. He still lives there which means that the shooting is like a minor inconvenience in his psyche.


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 24 Dec 10 - 03:54 PM

It never fails to amaze me why people guilty of crimes (minor to this) blame drugs, alcohol, a mother who kept introducing "uncles" to them or a father who pissed over their cat. In my day it was called rotten badness and you lost your liberty as punishment.

A lot of crimes are still rotten badness, only these days you get to feed goats in a community fun park as punishment.

If you ever find yourself in trouble, don't call a solicitor, call for a social worker and tell them about your granny.


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 25 Dec 10 - 02:39 PM

D
erek Brimstone used to have this schtick, it went something like....


I really hate hate Mondays. Nothing worse than getting up for work on a Monday morning. Og God I hate it. That monday morning feeling! However, I'm self employed nowadays so I sorted that one out. I take every monday off.

Trouble is... I'm getting a bit pissed off with Tuesdays....

(who told you about my Granny, Richie?)


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Jan 11 - 12:50 AM

Note to unnamed Guest: I deleted your post because I could not identify you. If you would like to post at Mudcat, please use a consistent name every time you post. Thanks.
-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: GUEST,matt schofield
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 01:26 AM

It is clear that Spenser was a MKultra mind controlled puppet used to push the zionist agenda. The evidence for this is the date 29th which stands for 9/11 ei 2 is 11 and then the part that she was sexually abused by her farther fits well, and the fact that Geldof then publicized this horendous act and made millions out of it and that his kids Peaches and Pixie are both showing indications that they are also monarch slaves. see vigilantcitizen.com


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: Prego
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 11:10 AM

Good song from a big phoney


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 08:27 PM

From the UK just looked into the story. She fired 36 shots and hit between 9-11 people depending which story you belive. One in three hit ratio. A sixteen yesar old girl with not the most accurate rifle. Tried as adult when a minor.

This woman should be in the army not prison


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: GUEST,Dazbo at Work
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 08:23 AM

The Adverts' "Gary Gilmour's Eyes" was, from memory, at least a year before "I don't like Mondays". Gary Gilmour's Eyes was inspired by the fact that various body parts were donated and the song is about what a recipient might fear when he realises he will, literally, be seeing through Gary Gilmour's Eyes and what they'll make him do (also inspired by Hammer Films I would imagine!)

If you were beating and sexually abusing your daughter would you buy her a rifle?


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 09:01 PM

You might. Even abusive dads are often more than one-dimensional.


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: GUEST,kahree.g
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 04:05 PM

OK, let's all be realistic here...this will require most of you to put a plug in your bleeding liberal hearts, but roll with me. If this were you husband or child, brother, son....that was murdered in cold blood by this girl, for whatever reason, I can garantee you would be singing a different tune. She is guilty of taking someones life-pure and simple. She was under no duress, not defending herself with the 40+ spent casings in her room, not under the influence...what that leaves is the fact that this girl is a sociopath, and will never change. I pray her current and future attempts to manipulate the system fail-however we should all be frightened....


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Subject: RE: Background: I Don't Like Mondays (Bob Geldof)
From: GUEST,m heinz
Date: 08 Dec 11 - 03:07 PM

There should be a renewed investigation into the fathers responsibility in this as well as keeping this woman in prison. Charles Mason also has multiple stories to explain his actions, as did every other psycho killer that pops to mind. They all refuse direct responsibility in one way or another and blame some hardship in life. That Brenda Spencer now tries to claim Intoxication as her defense shows her time has been spent becoming a "jailhouse lawyer", in her own defense anyway, but she can't show the nesc. element of intoxication defense, that it was ingested by her w/o or against her knowledge. Knowingly taking drugs and then claiming intox as a defense is not allowed by the American criminal court system. As for the guy who wrote a song immortalizing her actions, well some of us lack tact.


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