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Subject: Sorcha Dorcha From: InOBU Date: 22 Dec 01 - 10:53 AM A Christmas present from the band, the new members quit because they can't afford to practice in a band which does not get gigs regularly. Well, can't blame them. On one hand an agent said you can't book anything but Celtic Rock in New York, and I find the few folks who book traditional music to be cliquish and say things behind your back that they would never say to your face. To all the drones who think things are healthy in New York because of a few sessions, well you aren't going to hear new music out of a session, so the tradition becomes a stagnant museum piece. So, investment down the drain, doggie gone. Thanks to the few fans and happy Christmas to all and to all a good night, Larry Note from Joe Offer: |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: Sorcha Date: 22 Dec 01 - 10:55 AM Oh, Larry, I am sooo sorry. Don't lose hope. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: InOBU Date: 22 Dec 01 - 10:56 AM Thanks Kiddo, no loose of hope, just ran out of options. Cheers, Larry |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: wysiwyg Date: 22 Dec 01 - 11:27 AM Ah, something better's just around the corner. Watch for it. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: katlaughing Date: 22 Dec 01 - 11:32 AM Larry, so sorry to hear that. Does this mean the recording co-op, too? I still hope to hear the CD you were making of your Native American friend, and, of course, more Sorcha Dorcha. I am really sorry, but there's got to be something better; it's been such a struggle. luvyakat |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Dec 01 - 11:37 AM Still love ya' Bro and like they said, better things may happen just around the corner. At worst, you still have us!!! Pat |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: Genie Date: 22 Dec 01 - 12:10 PM InOBU, You had me scared there for a moment when I read the post caption -- I thought our Sorcha had left this world! (I've been with the Mudcat only since July, and I'm not yet up to speed as to who's who where bands and groups are concerned.) VERY much relieved to hear it's the band, not Sorcha herself, that is the dearly departed. Nevertheless, I'm sorry to hear about the lack of paying gigs for traditional-style bands that want to keep their creative juices flowing. Hope things get better on that scene. Genie (Glad you're still with us, Sorcha!) |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: John MacKenzie Date: 22 Dec 01 - 12:17 PM It may seem like a superfluous question, even an insulting one, but I only ask because I need to know. Have you tried starting something yourselves? Y'know one day Gerdies Folk City, the next Sorcha's Original. Just a thought, and DON'T GIVE UP. Failte.....Jock |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: Rick Fielding Date: 22 Dec 01 - 12:29 PM Hi Larry....now please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm kinda glad this incarnation of Sorcha Dorcha has gone udders up. It's been causing you a lot of stress, and you've certainly documented your expectations for the band and their responses. You seem to know exactly how you want your music presented ,and you know how difficult that has been without like-minds around you. I suspect that with what you've learned, your next project will give you a lot more joy. And just remember, like me, you're a "Lifer"...that is, someone who will ALWAYS play, 'cause the magic never leaves. Rick |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: Mudlark Date: 22 Dec 01 - 01:00 PM I've always thot that the only thing HARDER than making a living as a craftsman is trying to make a living as a folk musician. What rotten timing. Sounds like you've been struggling, tho, for a long time. Maybe a break, time for reflection, and renewal, is all that is needed. Doing what you love is the first important thing, but being able to make money doing it is worth fighting for. Sometimes going out, and coming in again makes all the difference. In the meantime, thanks to you and to all who work to keep trad. music alive and well and available for those of us who truly love it. And if going on the road is ever your thing, let me know...we have an active folk music society here (CA) than packs in 65-100 people in 3 venues for every show they book. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: Amergin Date: 22 Dec 01 - 01:24 PM Well, Shit, Larry....but usually this mean something better is on it's way....I genuinely look forward to hearing the next incarnation...... |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: GUEST,SharonA at the library Date: 22 Dec 01 - 02:10 PM Sorry to hear about the band's breakup, Larry. When (you'll note that I didn't say "if"!) you form the next trad-Celtic band, consider booking out-of-state; I know several local folk-society members here in PA who have walked out of, or refused to attend, the society's monthly concert when it features a Celtic-rock band. Just something to consider... (this also would mean that I would finally meet you!) Hope things will be better sooner rather than later in the new year! Take care. Sharon (Celtic-rock non-enthusiast) |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: Amos Date: 22 Dec 01 - 02:29 PM Well, Larry, them's the bumps, as the bishop said tot he actress. But keep this in mind, an excerpt from a Fifties country tune, as your own personal prognosis:
Well, his fame spread out from shore to shore, Keep on plugging and illegitimi non carborundum, buddy! A |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: Cappuccino Date: 22 Dec 01 - 03:06 PM Sorry to hear it, Larry - the CD has arrived and is brilliant. Do you take applications from Britain? - Ian B |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 22 Dec 01 - 03:10 PM Good luck Larry, not that such a talented musician,singer songwriter needs to rely on luck. Hope you get the break you deserve. Keith. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: kendall Date: 22 Dec 01 - 03:40 PM It's hard for me to say this right now, but, every time a door closes, another opens. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Dec 01 - 04:54 PM Big cities are funny places. They seem to iron out the differences.
It's a bit like the way that, if you want to get some particular bit of equipment, or some out of the way record, you don't go to the massive warehouse store that would have room for all the varieties in existence. You go to some little hole-in-the-corner place that has everything, and if it doesn't it knows where to find it.
A real shame InOBU. New York needs your music, but it doesn't know it does. |
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Subject: RE: OBIT: Sorcha Dorcha From: 53 Date: 22 Dec 01 - 07:49 PM i've had the same thing happen to me, and it sucks, but like the others said , there is something better coming, so just keep on picking and you'll make it through. BOB |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: SINSULL Date: 22 Dec 01 - 11:51 PM Larry, You are too talented and too determined to let this stop you. Something better is just around the corner. Hang in there, my friend. Mary |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: DougR Date: 23 Dec 01 - 12:20 AM Sad news, Larry. I think all of us know how hard you tried to make it work, and you obviously invested a lot of money and energy into it. Here's hoping things pick up for you in 2002! One thing you got out out it, other than frustration, was a fine CD. Doug |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: InOBU Date: 23 Dec 01 - 08:03 AM Thanks to all, I am in the process of beging the member who quit last week to finish the CD with me, as the present one really has problems with the fact that the members did not practice. So, if she puts in a month of work, and runs me into greater debt, well, I will at least have a CD to flog while I busk. I am also realising that I have to give up the idea of a band in New York, so it is back to the very unbookable past of solo piping and unaccompanied singing. The band came about as folks whould tell me that the songs I write are good and wouldn't it be great if we could put together a serrious NY Celtic band. In the rare instance that they were musicians, and good ones, I organised around them, all had asked to come into this, not me asking them to do so, and in the end, none of them wanted to put in the work needed to make it work. So, well, there you are. Great thanks to all, I will let you all know if the Sorcha Dorcha memorial CD is ever finished. Back to the streets, Larry |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: gnu Date: 23 Dec 01 - 08:28 AM Disheartening to see the potential go down because members won't put in the time. Fair weather friends are the worst. Lazy ones even more so. Chin up, eh ? |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: GUEST,Gary T. Date: 23 Dec 01 - 07:45 PM Sorry it didn't work out, Larry. You have my best wishes and hopes that the future will bring you a more satisfying situation. |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Dec 01 - 08:30 PM Would one way forward be to see this primarily as a band for recording? Then with the CD, and your solo work, you get any people interested in booking the band, you reconstitute it for the gig.
I think that's how a lot of folk bands work. What you don't get with that is the dynamic of a group of people who play constantly together, except insofar as you meet up in sessions. But it's amazing how quickly people can tune into each other when they've played together before in a sustained way. |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Irish sergeant Date: 23 Dec 01 - 08:44 PM Larry; I have great faith that time will bring you bigger and better. Happy Holidays and chin up. Neil |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Seamus Kennedy Date: 24 Dec 01 - 02:50 AM Larry, keep writing the songs, pitch 'em to other musicians, and hang in there. The end of one thing is generally the beginning of another. Seamus |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Cappuccino Date: 24 Dec 01 - 05:09 AM McGrath's got a point, as usual. We do far more recording than live work, and it's incredibly satisfying... and all the more so when you get the chance to go out and inflict it on someone. Sorry... I meant 'to perform' !!! - Ian B |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Cappuccino Date: 24 Dec 01 - 05:27 AM McGrath's got a point, as usual. We do far more recording than live work, and it's incredibly satisfying... and all the more so when you get the chance to go out and inflict it on someone. Sorry... I meant 'to perform' !!! - Ian B |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Coyote Breath Date: 24 Dec 01 - 05:56 AM Though I'm not up to speed either (and I TOO thought something had happened to Sorcha) I wish to extend my condolences and encouragement, especially the latter. All things change and, I have found, mostly for the better. Anyway, keep on no matter what! (what the hell is "celtic rock"?) CB |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Art Thieme Date: 24 Dec 01 - 09:20 AM Larry, So sorry to hear this. I was at the place you are now once. Just too few gigs. Never did have a group. To keep me in it, Joe Moore at No Exit in Chi. offered me Thursday nights. The gig lasted 18 years and led to 37 at that club alone through 3 owners and 3 locations --- all as a solo act. Many gigs at local and far-flung places followed. Nobody ever "quit my group" and I got to keep all the cash---what little there was.
Kendall is right.
(There's the start of a song, Onward, Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: PeteBoom Date: 24 Dec 01 - 10:13 AM Sorry to hear that, Larry. Best of luck to you - hang in there, man - Pete |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: hesperis Date: 24 Dec 01 - 11:32 AM Awwwww, that sucks! I hope that the new year brings you like minds, with like dedication. *Hug* |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Big Mick Date: 24 Dec 01 - 12:48 PM We've all been through it, my friend. And I would add an emphatic second to Seamus' thought. You are a daring, caring, performer. Keep sluggin', keep tryin', take a few more pokes on the nose. The alternative is to quit. Somehow I just don't see that as being a choice for you. I have heard your stuff and I like it. A lot. All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: InOBU Date: 24 Dec 01 - 02:47 PM Well all, as McGrath says another door opens. I find I have more time to slave away at solo piping the past few days, concoured a few tunes I had real issues with, and Giok, here in New York, there aren't many places to start up a new venue. As with the licencing laws they are starting to make in England, New York's caberet laws are 99 % of the problem for folk venues here. If the gaffer is going to spend bucks, he wants the sure fire big money return, with is the viral infection of american "culture" rock and roll, which may be refered to as steam roll, as, though there is lots of good in it, it steam rolls old cultures as capitalists favor only the most profitable and the rest can go to hell in a handcart. I am also spending more time doing conservation of the old books at the 15th Street Society of Friends Library, I'd like to see some bloody machine take appart a one hundred and fifty year old book and stitch it back together again, eh? Some old traditions can't completely die, though of course I don't get paid to do it... so why am I smiling, must be daft. Happy Christmas, Kwansa, Ramadan, Chanuka, Ishkabibble, and Whomatashin, - Peace in the New Year, Larry |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Peg Date: 24 Dec 01 - 08:08 PM good luck, Larry, finding the right match of people and tastes nad atlenst to form a band can seem a lifelong work...I have been through several myself. The current one seems likely to last but who knows? I would think that many bands who seem to have been together "forever" probably were in a number of bands for many years before the right combination took hold... Again, good luck! Peg
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Amergin Date: 24 Dec 01 - 08:13 PM Larry, I just want to let you know that that cd has yet to leave my cd changer in my car...and is constantly playing with the likes of Seamus Kennedy and Andy M. Stewart....
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Suffet Date: 24 Dec 01 - 09:31 PM To be sung to the tune of The Star of the County Down: On Manhattan's isle, for too short a while, Amid all the hype and noise, There was once a band, that took its stand, As it sang of woes and joys. It sang its songs of rights and wrongs, Wherever an audience it found, Now that band is gone, may we carry on, As we tread on Sorcha Dorcha's ground. From the northern tip to the South Ferry slip, From the East Side to the West, Oh, we wish them well and a fond farewell, For they were New York's best! [New words by Stephen L. Suffet © 2001] Go in peace! --- Steve
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Ian Darby Date: 24 Dec 01 - 10:53 PM Dear Larry Don't think this is something new. The law of natural selection applies where bands are concerned. Like attracts like. The right people will find you eventually. I live in Wigan, U.K, a great Rugby playing town, and there is one piece of advice I can pass on to you that applies to life, the universe and everything, which is, "keep goin' wi' yer 'ead down". If you need any further clarification please get back to me. Happy Xmas and a Happy New Year. Ian Darby, Prince of Darkness and truly diabolical musician (Swan'll tell you). |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Bert Date: 24 Dec 01 - 11:20 PM Sorry to hear that Larry. That's one of the problems you have with being one of a kind. Hang in there. We love you, and every damned Mudcatter wishes they lived near you so that they could play along with you. Bert. |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Phil Cooper Date: 25 Dec 01 - 10:11 AM Dear Larry, It took a long time for me to find a musical partner that had the same committment level as I did with music. My significant other would love to play in a group and has had to settle for some partners that obviously didn't have the same level, or were letting her shag gigs and then use her contacts after they broke away. Either way, she was better off without them. She has now found a couple performers she can play with from time to time and that works out well for everybody. Merry Christmas. Hoping you have a better New Year
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: JedMarum Date: 25 Dec 01 - 10:30 PM very sorry to hear about your troubles, Larry. I do hope you can manage to pull through, one way or another. I can sympathize with the venue issues you face - the damn clubs just don;t need us. They don;t typically have an interest in the music themselves, not as we do - so they are simply looking for what the think is going to make them the best buck. Trouble is, if they had the judgement to select fine music, present fine music and the patience to build a reputation for fine music - they'd have both, in the end - but the short answer is the lowest common denomonator; rock - or whatever is 'cool' at the moment. Tough business; selling booze! I wish you the very best in your efforts to rebound. I have a feeling you'll do it too. |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: alison Date: 25 Dec 01 - 10:41 PM sorry to hear that Larry............ hopefully something better will come along soon...... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Suffet Date: 26 Dec 01 - 08:34 AM Larry, I hope you'll still be appearing at the Peoples Music Network concert in Asheville, NC, on 1/25/02. I am looking forward to hearing you there, even if you have to perform solo. By the way, I love your CD. --- Steve |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Jim the Bart Date: 26 Dec 01 - 10:29 AM All bands break up; it's the music that endures. You take that with you when you go, so it's the others who lose. You fought to keep things going for a long time and that's all you can do. I'm sure you'll find a way to move a little higher. Good luck. Bart |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: InOBU Date: 26 Dec 01 - 02:46 PM Thanks all, Steve, I spoke to Jim Wolff and I will be performing solo. Cheers see you there Larry |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Suffet Date: 26 Dec 01 - 08:07 PM For those who would like to know more about Larry Otway's January 25 appearance, please take note of the following. The upcoming Peoples Music Network Winter Gathering will take place at the University of North Carolina in Asheville from January 25 through 27, 2002. Information is now available on the PMN website. Cut and paste this URL: http://www.peoplesmusic.org/ Or else CLICK! Following the link which says Next Gathering Jan. 2002! Information is also available directly from Jim Wolf, the local coordinator. His e-mail address is: wolffox1@yahoo.com Or use this LINK. As always, this PMN gathering should provide activist musicians ample opportunity to enjoy each others' company and each others' music. --- Steve |
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Subject: RE: OBITUARY: Sorcha Dorcha From: Kim C Date: 27 Dec 01 - 12:34 PM Kendall's right about when one door closes, another opens. And if another door doesn't open, the Powers of the Universe will usually send you a sledgehammer to make your own door. :-) |
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