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Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award)
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Subject: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 03 Feb 02 - 11:05 PM Well, the ECMAs are almost over. The awards were hours ago, but the CBC is rebroadcasting the awards show right now. HEre are this years winners, the main ones, which got broadcast, and then some of the ones which are kind of pertinent
Now, there were tons of other awards which were not supplied on TV. Here are some of the others we are watching for: Mary Jane Lamond - Roots/Traditional Solo Artist Kenra MacGillivray - Instrumental Artist/Group (That's 2! this year) Jimmy Rankin - Single as well as Country Artist/Group (Makes 3 this year) Ian McKinnon & Symphony Nova Scotia - Classical Recording of the Year
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 03 Feb 02 - 11:44 PM Industry Professional of the Year: Brookes Diamond Manager: Andre Bourgeois Media Person: Mike Campbell (MuchMusic) Radio Show: Atlantic Airwaves (CBC Radio) Radio Station: CBC Radio (Region Wide) Record Company: Tidemark Retailer of the Year: Musicstop Studio of the Year: Lakewind Sound, Point Aconi Technician: Jamie Foulds Venue/Event: Stan Rogers Festival Volunteer of the year: Ivan and Vivian Hicks Graphic Designer: Steve Dupuis Photographer: Kelly Clark Production Company: Tour Tech East |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: GUEST,andi Date: 04 Feb 02 - 05:22 PM how about recognizing the Roots/Traditional Group of the Year? Sons of Maxwell ! I am sure that there are Groups and Artists that We have not listed here. Congrayulations to all of you andi |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: Barry T Date: 04 Feb 02 - 08:44 PM 'Great to see the Ennis Sisters win recognition... and get some well-deserved national TV coverage.
As for the traditional music award winners, it's 'mission accomplished' by the ECMA: I'm off to the record store...! |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: GUEST Date: 04 Feb 02 - 10:47 PM Hi, I watched the ECMAs from Cambridge, On and I must say that I was a little disappointed to see that The Fables didn't win anything. I believe that they are an awesome band with alot of talent. But again, there is always next year, right? Oh well all the best to everyone from the east coast, and as a musician from Marystown, Nf I am just glad to see that part of Canada being recognized for their hard and continuous work. You make me proud to call myself a Newfoundlander and an East Coaster. Thanks and see you next year. Yours Truly, Jason Walsh |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: Clinton Hammond Date: 04 Feb 02 - 11:00 PM We have the Juno awards... Why then do we need the ECMA???? Seems a little self-congratulatory to me... Just think what you'd think if there was also the Great Lakes music awards... followed by the Canadian Shield Music Awards... then the Victoria Avenue Music Awards, until every single PERSON has thier own awards show that they ALWAYS win... What's the point eh? |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 04 Feb 02 - 11:46 PM The ECMAs acknowledge there is something other than pop music. IT started back 14 years ago, and it mostly were Cape Breton groups who were winning everything. Since then, it moved out of Halifax, to other major cities in the region. The ECMAs serves as a development agency which promotes the regional music of Atlantic Canada. As the ECMAs started to get popular enough to be broadcast nationally it incorporated and started to give awards to roots/traditional, jazz, bluegrass, and many other genres. I know the West Coast Music Awards have started to have some popularity, and I believe they are going to get a national television broadcast. They are hoping to repeat the success of the ECMAs. Andi, I forgot the Group one. Sorry. Thanks for putting that in. |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: Clinton Hammond Date: 04 Feb 02 - 11:49 PM The JUNOS are not just pop... and the WCMA just serve to make my point... |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: little john cameron Date: 05 Feb 02 - 12:06 AM Trust you tae complain Clinton.It is oor awards show an' ye're no' aloud in.Sour grapes if ye ask me.ljc |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: Clinton Hammond Date: 05 Feb 02 - 01:14 PM Near as I care to try understanding that stupid affectation you insist in posting in, the JUNO Awards are the CANADIAN music awards... are you not part of Canada? I suspect it's more that the whole Juno process isn't focused enough on The East Coast... As I mentioned above, the phrase that keeps going through my head is "Self congratulatory" |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: Willie-O Date: 05 Feb 02 - 01:41 PM Aw, come on Clinton. Judging from the reports, the ECMA shows are like, the party of the year. Every time I hear the debriefing, I swear I'm gonna go down there next year. And there already is a Great Lakes Music Awards show. It's called the Junos.
Honest, I'm just yankin' yer chain. Willie-O |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: little john cameron Date: 05 Feb 02 - 02:34 PM Better tae hae an "affectation" than be jist plain STUPID.ljc |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: Clinton Hammond Date: 05 Feb 02 - 03:11 PM Well, they seem to be one and the same LJC... When he plays here at my local Feb 22nd, and 23rd, I'll be sure to let John-Allen know there's an IDIOT using his name in vain... Willie-O... I'm first to agree, a great party is a great party, but what gets me is the sense that somehow the East Coast is 'special' (ya... in an Olympic kinda way maybe) enough to warrant it's own music festival... that the Juno awards aren't good enough... Rather than trying to be inclusive, they would rather be exclusionary... Sorta a spoiled kid thing, sorta a "You guys won't play by my rules so I'm taking my ball and going home to play with myself" kinda attitude... if you can follow what I'm trying to get at... It seems pointless... Better to call it a music FEST and just play and sing and drink and dance all night without the whole BULLSHIT awards process in the first place (Which I wish the Junos would do as well, but we here in Canada don't get enough recognition even from each other... the damn country's too big and spread out!) The whole awards thing seems dubious, and self-congratulatory in the first place, but the ECMA seem doubly so... |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: little john cameron Date: 05 Feb 02 - 05:28 PM "but we here in Canada don't get enough recognition even from each other... the damn country's too big and spread out!)" Strange comvoluted logic there,pal.That is why we have them.Btw,tell the singin bagpipe ah wis askin for him. ljc |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: GUEST,andi Date: 05 Feb 02 - 08:41 PM Could someone explain to me why the East coast should not have a seperate music awards? THe music there is very different from music in the central part of Canada and different also from the west coast. Why is the recognition of that a bad thing? Celebrating what makes each part of Canada unique is wonderful IMHO and as an American who watches the ECMA's avidly it is a great way to find out about music I would never have known about. So is exposure of beautiful music, not a good thing? Is there a reason for not doing things regionally that I would not know about being American? Oh one more thing is there a Quebec Music Association I should be aware of? :) thanks andi |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: little john cameron Date: 06 Feb 02 - 08:23 AM Only Clinton so far andi.You are right,the diversity of Canada is its most important attribute.The reason the ECMA awards were started in the first place was because of the lack recognition by the rest of the country.Atlantic Canada is bursting with musical talent.This may be because of the sad state of the economy,especially for young people.Too bad friend Clinton has such a negative attitude.A trip down here would lighten him up a bit.ljc |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 06 Feb 02 - 10:55 AM We were told on the CB Music Mailing list that the ECMA's were the 8th most watched program! So, it seems to have done pretty well. |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 06 Feb 02 - 10:55 AM That's just network (CBC) broadcasts across the country. That does NOT include the FM Radio or internet broadcasts. |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: little john cameron Date: 06 Feb 02 - 11:32 AM Right on! ljc |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: GUEST,andi Date: 06 Feb 02 - 12:31 PM Thanks George and LJC! It's nice to know the broadcast did that well. I know many fan down here who could not get teh CBC broadcast caught it on the internet. thanks for the updates andi |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: Clinton Hammond Date: 06 Feb 02 - 12:53 PM "The reason the ECMA awards were started in the first place was because of the lack recognition by the rest of the country" So it IS a little kid, not getting enough attention, having a pout-fest thing then! Just what I thought... I will continue to give award shows the attention I think they deserve (read almost none) and the ECMA doubly so... Oh and BTW LJC, I really have very little desire to see the East Coast (out side of Lanse Aux Meadows)... There are more interesting 3rd world places to visit in my opinion... "THe music there is very different from music in the central part of Canada and different also from the west coast. Why is the recognition of that a bad thing?" The music EVERWHERE is different... by that rational the would should be as I describe it above with every single person having their own awards show that they always win... Pfffft! Music from the East coast IS figured in art the Juno Awards... The ECMA people are just cranky that it doesn't win EVERY year... Maybe it just doesn't 'cut the mustard' on that scale?? I don't know... Diversity sure, but when does diversity become divisionary? I think Canada has crossed that line, in more things than just folk music... |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: GUEST,andi Date: 06 Feb 02 - 01:43 PM Maybe it is just the yank in me, but I still don't get why the celebration of diversity is bad, Mr Hammond. Particularly in Music. Yeah, some things can be divisive but in the case of the awards shows it seems to bring folks together and in this world we need that. May I ask why you think "There are more interesting 3rd world places to visit in my opinion" is the a particular axe you have to grind with the east coast or do you just prefer to travel in third world countries? I would love to know the source of your anger on this. Have you considered the reverse of you statement could also be said we have the ECMA's and the West Coast Awards why do we need the Juno's? ;) Personally, Mr. Hammond, I would love to know what you think "Canada has crossed that line, in more things than just folk music... " on. I love learning about Canadian policies and politics. Care to enlighten me? :) andi |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: Clinton Hammond Date: 06 Feb 02 - 01:49 PM "but in the case of the awards shows it seems to bring folks together" See, near as I can tell, it doesn't bring people together, it separates them... catigorizes and boxes them... And then divides them yet again... My 3rd world comment is just a poke at Canada's most poverty stricken area! LOL!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 06 Feb 02 - 05:03 PM It's interesting that you decry the efforts to recognize performers in this fashion, yet you are one. You say you will give the award shows the attention you think they deserve, almost none, and spend as much time and effort on this thread. In my opinion, the effort you make in denigrating the music of my region would be best used in promoting your own region's music. There is a problem with not having pride. We, as Canadians, do celebrate the diversity of culture, but then there are people such as yourself who constantly try to bring down these efforts. When a specific region does well enough and gets enough recognition from the fans WITHIN this same country, and around the world, it is dismissed as kiddie pouts! I think you are wrong. We love this music, and it stands on its own and is instantly identified almost around the world as Atlantic music. We DO celebrate the other music styles and if you had seen the broadcast you would have seen some of the finest in alternative, bluegrass and other kinds of music. The ECMA show that you denigrate so quickly has done more to promote the music and musicianship of this area than all the efforts of the Junos which you hold up so eloquently. Mostly, I have found that musicians in general WANT to come to the Atlantic region to learn the music of the area. ALSO, they want to get the big bucks playing in the bars here which they seem unable to get in their areas. Is there a reason for this? Could they just be NOT good enough up there? They need to come here, taking money away from regional performers, then learn a little bit of how it is done, then return to wherever and mangle it saying, "This is authentic"! I hate to say it, but it sounds more like sour grapes. I'm not trying to argue with you or Little John, but this is what it seems like. |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: little john cameron Date: 06 Feb 02 - 05:29 PM Jist ignore the daft twit George,who cares whit he thinks.Another winder-upper disguised as a musician.As for the Fables,yes it was too bad,but next year they'll do better.Now if Buddy Wassisname ever gets on then they'll clean up in ALL the catgories. ljc |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: gnu Date: 06 Feb 02 - 05:41 PM Alright now lads, play nice ! We're all Canucks, here. Clinton... you must understand that we Atlantic Canadians have a bond with each other. Not just in the music, but in the culture, which differs greatly from Uppity Canada. While we as Canadians celebrate our common goals, we do have different cultures, which we wish to SHARE. This is not to laud at the expense of others, but to SHARE for the enrichment of others. We appreciate and wish to share in yours, as well. Although, say, Celtic fiddling is much the same here as in Ontario, as in New England, etc, a fiddler from Southern Ontario or NE is not near as dirty as Nat. She is the the dirtiest fiddler I have ever heard.... that's why she was Entertainer of the Year. That's why she opens for the likes of The Chieftans in places like Seattle. It IS unique. As is our Acadian, as is our Jazz, as is our Rock, ... I won't drone on. Atlantic Canada is promoting it's music and it's culture. Plain and simple. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, we're proud of it because it's good tunes. |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: GUEST,andi Date: 06 Feb 02 - 06:59 PM From Mr Seto: "We were told on the CB Music Mailing list that the ECMA's were the 8th most watched program! So, it seems to have done pretty well." Seems to have brought an awful lot of folks together over some terrific music and does so across international lines. Not bad IMHO. :) My 3rd world comment is just a poke at Canada's most poverty stricken area! LOL!!!! Odd sense of humour Mr. Hammond. The East Coast may have the least in economic resources, but from the quality of people and artists I have come across from that area, I'd say it was rich in other things. Class and talent come to mind. andi PS As Mr. Seto also said folks come from around the world to learn atlantic music,I can vouch for that, I am enrolling in the Gaelic College this summer to learn fiddle and bodhran, with I am trying to co-ordinate this with two friends,one from Philidephia and One from Calagary. :) |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: little john cameron Date: 06 Feb 02 - 07:21 PM Andi,it's no' that we dinnae hae the resources,it's the fact that we cannae get the benefits o' them. ljc |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: GUEST,andi Date: 06 Feb 02 - 07:45 PM I stand corrected on that point LJC, but I still maintain the thing you folks have the most of is talent and class . :) andi |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: little john cameron Date: 06 Feb 02 - 07:47 PM Thank you.ljc |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 06 Feb 02 - 09:37 PM One fact that the "Uppity Canadians" keep dancing around, and which is one of the reasons we DO demand respect out of them, is that for the first number of years of our Confederation, the Dominion of Canada, the economic centre of Canada WAS the Maritimes. All the shipping came through ships. Where did they dock? Either here in Halifax, Saint John, or Quebec and Montreal. It must have galled them for years to have to depend on these regions for almost all of their goods. WE helped to make Canada what it is. Now while we have economic doldrums, we are struggling to change occupations of people who have been working in the resource based industries for 2 hundred years. Some of these people WILL adapt and change, but there are a number of things that will never change. Atlantic Canadians WILL make music. I think ALL Canadians make music, all of it different and all of it fairly enjoyable. We've done a lot to make it an industry. To that extent, thanks to the musician's union, Nova Scotia is a place where bars and other venues pay good value to the bands. I was talking to one musician who said that there are a large number of Ontario musicians and bands who don't get paid near the money that is available here in Halifax. And they DO come down here. Thank you, Little John and Gnu. Andi, great. Thanks again for your kind words about our region's people. So you're coming to visit this summer? IF you enjoy the music, consider coming to THE Biggest party - Celtic Colours. It starts the second weekend of October (our Thanksgiving) through to the following weekend. A fellow named Bob Brown, from Philadelphia, who organizes Cape Breton music events down there in Pennsylvania has been to it several years. |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: gnu Date: 07 Feb 02 - 11:51 AM My comment re Nat opening for the Chieftans in Seattle drew a curious PM. The resaon I cited that performance is because it's the last one I heard about (from my cousin in Seattle) that she was doing with the Chieftans and it was just a week or two ago. BTW, he told me that he met her backstage afterwards and he says she is much better looking in person. Hard to imagine. And I bet she could kick the crap out Celine, too, what with all that fancy footwork. My kinda girl. |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Feb 02 - 01:38 PM "Uppity Canadians" "WE helped to make Canada what it is." So did all of us, or our ancestors... You saying yours are somehow better than mine??? Well, only an idiot would be that exclusionary! "Odd sense of humour Mr. Hammond." Hey... If ya can't laugh at yourself and your hardships, what can you laugh at??? Hell, if it hadn't have been for the 'hard times', we likely never would have had those waves of carpetbagging 'coasters' comeing west, trying to get their hands on Heritige Fund money and bringing their music with them... Now thier like typical celts.. ya can't go anywhere without bumping into one... Sooites are like that too, but thankfully there are fewer of us... "resource based industries for 2 hundred years." Raping the environment, so you don't have to... LOL!!!! See, I'm not saying that the music isn't good... I'm just saying it's no better than any other regions music... |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 07 Feb 02 - 04:23 PM Well, if the other regions music is just as good, then they (the music associations) aren't doing the job ours have been to promote and bring it to the attention of the rest of the world. Is there an identifiable product out of Ontario? Ottawa Valley Fiddling is the closest I've heard of. Anything else coming out of Ontario which we can identify immediately as from there? (that is good of course). |
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Subject: RE: Winners - ECMAs (East Coast Music Award) From: little john cameron Date: 08 Feb 02 - 10:18 AM Jings,an' here wis me feelin sorry for they fowk in Afghanistan,Somalia an' Kosovo.No tha mention aw' the hameless in Canada.Ah feel better noo knowin they are haein a great laugh aboot it.Ye learn great stuff fae ye Clinton. ljc |
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