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Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop

14 May 98 - 09:47 AM
Dani 14 May 98 - 09:59 AM
Jack (Who is called Jack) 14 May 98 - 10:21 AM
Bill D 14 May 98 - 10:55 AM
Rockaday Johnnie 14 May 98 - 11:39 AM
Allan C. 14 May 98 - 12:39 PM
Harald 14 May 98 - 01:34 PM
Bill D 14 May 98 - 05:32 PM
Art Thieme 14 May 98 - 09:07 PM
Art Thieme 15 May 98 - 04:44 PM
15 May 98 - 11:01 PM
Joe Offer 16 May 98 - 03:10 AM
JESTER! 16 May 98 - 06:39 AM
BSeed 18 Oct 98 - 02:24 AM
Ewan McV 18 Oct 98 - 04:07 AM
Mo 18 Oct 98 - 10:13 PM
Ewan McV 19 Oct 98 - 11:54 AM
Mo 19 Oct 98 - 03:32 PM
Steve 20 Oct 98 - 02:07 PM
Gene 20 Oct 98 - 05:57 PM
GUEST,Annie 03 May 07 - 03:52 PM
Joe Offer 03 May 07 - 04:09 PM
Cool Beans 03 May 07 - 04:28 PM
Songster Bob 03 May 07 - 04:33 PM
Jeri 03 May 07 - 06:21 PM
PoppaGator 03 May 07 - 07:10 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 03 May 07 - 08:29 PM
jeffp 03 May 07 - 09:15 PM
John on the Sunset Coast 03 May 07 - 09:31 PM
Cool Beans 03 May 07 - 09:59 PM
jeffp 03 May 07 - 10:08 PM
GUEST,GameGrit 06 Oct 07 - 10:23 AM
Bill D 06 Oct 07 - 02:25 PM
Q 06 Oct 07 - 07:27 PM
Jim Dixon 08 Oct 07 - 07:06 AM
GUEST,TJ in San Diego 08 Oct 07 - 07:05 PM
GUEST,revpar_is_king 29 Dec 07 - 11:59 AM
GUEST,DAN 06 Jan 08 - 12:42 AM
GUEST,Mike in DC 06 Jan 08 - 05:11 PM
John on the Sunset Coast 06 Jan 08 - 09:51 PM
GUEST,mudshark 09 Mar 08 - 03:21 PM
clueless don 10 Mar 08 - 09:23 AM
GUEST,.gargoyle 16 Apr 09 - 10:39 PM
GUEST,hg 17 Apr 09 - 08:13 AM
GUEST,TJ in San Diego 17 Apr 09 - 05:08 PM
GUEST,TJ in San Diego 17 Apr 09 - 05:10 PM
GUEST 25 Apr 09 - 11:50 PM
Nehi 26 Apr 09 - 10:16 AM
GUEST,Logan S. 11 Feb 10 - 04:25 PM
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Subject: The R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P. song
From:
Date: 14 May 98 - 09:47 AM

I'm trying to find the origins and lyrics of this to help a copy editor. So, far, we've heard that it's a Mills Brothers or Ames Brothers song from the 1950s.

Can anyone help?


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Dani
Date: 14 May 98 - 09:59 AM

I wish I could help, but cannot now remember where I learned it. I do know, though, that singing it in my high school, we learned how great a tiled bathroom can make ANY group sound!


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Jack (Who is called Jack)
Date: 14 May 98 - 10:21 AM

There are some links to other sites for song lyrics in the mudcat links page. Have you tried some of them?

BTW. You should also check out Alan Sherman's parody of the song R.A.T.T. F.I.N.K.


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Bill D
Date: 14 May 98 - 10:55 AM

when I was 12 or 14 or so, I HATED that song with a blind purple passion...though I had managed to get into a place where I'd never have to see it again!! *sigh*...There's NO place for a poor old purist snob to hide ....


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Rockaday Johnnie
Date: 14 May 98 - 11:39 AM

Ragmop was a hit in 1950-- lots of folks recorded this and took in onto the "Hit Parade" such as the Ames Brothers (Hit #1 with it) Ralph Flanagan (#3) Lionel Hampton (#7)Johnny Lee Wills (#9) The Starlighters (#12) Jimmy Dorsey (15) And Eddie Howard (24)


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Subject: Lyr Add: RAG MOP (D Anderson, J L Wills)
From: Allan C.
Date: 14 May 98 - 12:39 PM

Dear Whoeveryouare,
Here it is as recorded by the Ames Bros.:

Rag Mop
Ames Brothers

M
I say M-O
M-O-P
M-O-P-P
Mop
M-O-P-P
Mop Mop Mop Mop

R
I say R-A
R-A-G
R-A-G-G
Rag
R-A-G-G M-O-P-P
Rag Mop

Doo-doo-doo-DAH-dee-ah-dah
Rag Mop
Doo-doo-doo-DAH-dee-ah-dah
Rag Mop
Doo-doo-doo-DAH-dee-ah-dah
Rag Mop
Doo-doo-doo-DAH-dee-ah-dah
Rag Mop
Doo-doo-doo-DAH-dee-ah-dah
R-A-G-G M-O-P-P
Rag Mop!

A
I say A-B
A-B-C
A-B-C-D
A-B-C-D-E
A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H

I
I say M-O
M-O-P
M-O-P-P
Mop
M-O-P-P
Mop Mop Mop Mop

R
I say R-A
R-A-G
R-A-G-G
Rag
R-A-G-G M-O-P-P
Rag Mop

Doo-doo-doo-DAH-dee-ah-dah
Rag Mop
Doo-doo-doo-DAH-dee-ah-dah
Rag Mop
Doo-doo-doo-DAH-dee-ah-dah
Rag Mop
Doo-doo-doo-DAH-dee-ah-dah
Rag Mop
Doo-doo-doo-DAH-dee-ah-dah
R-A-G-G M-O-P-P
Rag Mop!


Bill, I appologize for unearthing something which I, too, feel should have been left for dead. It still stinks!


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Harald
Date: 14 May 98 - 01:34 PM

Well, I like it. You can translate it directly into german: R-O-L-L M-O-P-S :-)


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Bill D
Date: 14 May 98 - 05:32 PM

Allan...is that something like being unable to resist touching a wet paint sign? Or a dog going out and rolling in something smelly? ;-)


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Art Thieme
Date: 14 May 98 - 09:07 PM

This has an early association in my mind to "the butcher dance" and the search to document that dance in rather remote areas of the world.

Does anyone know the story of that dance's ultimate re-discovery? And how was it connected to RAGG MOPP ?

Art Thieme (thanks in advance)


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Art Thieme
Date: 15 May 98 - 04:44 PM

Well, I refuse to write out the entire 4 pages of the tragic tale that Craig Johnson sent me about the BUTCHER DANCE. Enough to make that long story quite short by telling you that AFTER YEARS OF TRYING TO FIND THE BUTCHER DANCE they did get to the remote place in New Guinea where the dance was finally to be done for them so they might record it on film! The preliminaries took place (those lasted all morning and are described in excruciating deail. Finally the dancers snake-dance into the center. They all start to chant these words as they perform the steps: "Ya butcher right foot in--ya butcher right foot out--ya butcher right foot in and ya shake it all about..."


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From:
Date: 15 May 98 - 11:01 PM

Aaaaggghhhh! I think I'm gonna be sick!


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 May 98 - 03:10 AM

Art, that is absolutely the worst one yet! Tell us more!!!!
-Joe offer-


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: JESTER!
Date: 16 May 98 - 06:39 AM

In a somewhat interesting aside (well, maybe not) Richard Thomson has played RAGMOP as an encore tune within the past few years. It's kinda delightful when he plays it. Sorry!


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: BSeed
Date: 18 Oct 98 - 02:24 AM

I always kind of liked RaggMopp--for a really bad song, try the Everly Brothers "When"--

When--
When I hold--
When I hold your hand
Then--
Then I know
I know you understand

Or even worse, the Doors' "Light My Fire":

You know that it would be untrue;
You know that I would be a liar,
If I was to say to you,
Girl, we couldn't get much higher.


Come on, baby, light my fire,
Come on, baby, light my fire,
We can set the night on figh--urr.

Double yuck. Finger down the throat yuck. Number one on the hit parade yuck. There is truly no accounting for taste. --seed

Or was it
When,
When you smile,
When you smile at me,
Then,
Then I know,
Our love will always be.

Or does it matter?


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Ewan McV
Date: 18 Oct 98 - 04:07 AM

I'm so glad to encounter this discussion. For every song I vaue which is hovering deep n the various lobes of my cranium, there is a counter ditty that tendeth to infuriate me, but once the latter is called to the surface by some semi-random association of word or musical phrase it floats before me like pondscum for days. So it is with Lionel Hampton's version of R.A.G.G.M.O.P.P. I'd suggest a few others of like ilk, but fear to wake the Kraken.


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Mo
Date: 18 Oct 98 - 10:13 PM

This Kraken can't get to sleep, so how about this for an inane, don't-you-just-hate-that-damned-thing song: "If you are happy and you know it, clap your hands". Gawd help me I used to have to sing that as a Brownie - or rather I didn't, as even as a 7 year old I knew the value of pointedly silent protest. I hated that song then, I hate it now - I will hate it if I live to be one hundred! I can see that this Mopp song thingy does seem to run it a close second though! Cheers, Mo


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Ewan McV
Date: 19 Oct 98 - 11:54 AM

Aw, Mo - how could you? A folk song known and first loved, then despised by every child.

In fact, I've just spent a bunch of time typing out rudish lyrics to this Coming Round The Mountain tune.

One favourite is

Never shove yer granny when she's shavin.


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Mo
Date: 19 Oct 98 - 03:32 PM

Sound advice Ewan, I never will! Don't tease us all though, post the lyrics then - or were you just waiting to be asked? Cheers Mo


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Steve
Date: 20 Oct 98 - 02:07 PM

I believe the original hit could have been done by Peewee King.


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Gene
Date: 20 Oct 98 - 05:57 PM

You can find RAT FINK and other WACKY TUNES-

* HERE *


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: GUEST,Annie
Date: 03 May 07 - 03:52 PM

I always knew RaggMopp as a Fred Penner song. I never even knew he borrowed it from anyone.

Anyway, I don't know why you guys hate it so much. I think it's fun.


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 May 07 - 04:09 PM

You know, we didn't do our usual thorough job on this. I can verify the lyrics Allan C. posted - they seem to be an exact transcription of the 1950 Ames Brothers recording. Is there another version?

Who Wrote That Song? says "Rag Mop" was written in 1950 by Johnnie Lee Wells and Deacon Anderson, popularized by the Ames Brothers.

And Annie, I like the song. Allan C. is just too young to appreciate it.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Cool Beans
Date: 03 May 07 - 04:28 PM

In the morning when I feed the cats I sing
C-A-T-T F-O-O-D, Cat Food, Doodley-op da-dee-ah-da.
And so on.
I like the song but my wife really hates it. I mean REALLY hates it. Oh well.


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Songster Bob
Date: 03 May 07 - 04:33 PM

Interesting to find that it wasn't written by Slim Gaillard, who is the "hipster" I always connected to the song.

Goes to show I don't know everything (Pssst... don't tell me!).

Songbob


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Jeri
Date: 03 May 07 - 06:21 PM

I learned it from a cartoon show: the Beany and Cecil Show. I think Cecil the Seasick Sea Serpent used to sing it.

Then again, from the WAY I learned it, it may have been Foghorn ('I say, I say') Leghorn, because it goes,

R
I say, R A
R A G,
R A G G,
R A G G M O P P
Raggmopp


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 03 May 07 - 07:10 PM

My ultra-cool teenaged aunt, Aunt Pat, owned the 45 of this song when I was a little kid.

I still really like it.


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 03 May 07 - 08:29 PM

1960's YMCA song with doubel/triple/duadruple entandre.

Do not know it...only heard it ... with translations long forgotten.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: jeffp
Date: 03 May 07 - 09:15 PM

I remember it from Beany and Cecil too, Jeri.

Help Cecil Help! Help Cecil Help!

I'm comin', Beany-boy!!!!!!!

I loved that shoe.


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 03 May 07 - 09:31 PM

Jeri & jeffp-For a time in late 49/early 50 we did not have a radio or a phonograph in our apartment (but we did have a 10" Hoffman blonde, console tv.) I knew the words to Rag Mop and Chloe as if they were top 40 because of Time for Beany. For a while, the Friday shows had live audiences, and Cece would hand (mouth) out prizes to some lucky kids.
Perchance you guys are from the Sunset Coast?
ps-the words to Chloe were Chloe. or Dun..duh..dun..duh..Chlo-ee.
John


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: Cool Beans
Date: 03 May 07 - 09:59 PM

Friend of mine acidentally killed Bob Clampett, creator of Beany and Cecil. Clampett was in Detroit being interviewed by my friend, maybe about a reissue of the show. This was in the 1980s. It was a cold, blustery winter day and the newspaper was about three blocks from Clampett's hotel. He asked my friend if he should walk back. Sure, my friend said, no problem. Bob made it back to the hotel and had a fatal heart attack.


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Subject: RE: R.A.G.G. M.O.P.P.
From: jeffp
Date: 03 May 07 - 10:08 PM

Sorry, John. Maryland suburbs of DC.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: GUEST,GameGrit
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 10:23 AM

WELL. I KNOW WHO WROTE RAG MOP, MY GRANDFATHER DID.
HE WAS A PIANO PLAYER, AN AWESOME PIANO PLAYER, AND
I HAVE THE ORIGINAL HANDWRITTEN RAG MOP SHEET MUSIC.

SO, THERE YOU GO.   UNFORTUNATELY, HE SOLD THE SONG
FOR $50, AS THAT WAS A SMALL FORTUNE BACK THEN AND HE
WROTE IT IN THE LATE 40'S NOT IN 1950......

SO....BE.... IT....

NOW WE KNOW THE TRUTH.... ANYONE WANT TO PURSUE
THIS FURTHER, JUST WRITE ME.

GameGrit


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 02:25 PM

I'd have given your grandfather $100 to just burn all copies....*grin*

The world is full of songs the author sold the rights to.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: Q
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 07:27 PM

Buyers keepers ---


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 07:06 AM

According to Allmusic.com and BMI, RAG MOP was written by Deacon Anderson and Johnnie Lee Wills.

It has been recorded by The Ames Brothers, Jimmy Dorsey, Ralph Flanagan, Lionel Hampton, Ted Heath, Pee Wee King & His Golden West Cowboys, Joe Liggins & His Honeydrippers, The Mighty Blue Kings, Johnnie Lee Wills & His Boys, and many others.

Johnnie Lee Wills, like his brother Bob Wills, played western swing, suggesting that RAG MOP had a western swing origin before the Ames Brothers and the jazz musicians got hold of it.

Too bad GameGrit didn't even tell us who his grandfather was.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 07:05 PM

Possibly the lamest version I have ever heard was "performed" by my high school band, circa 1954-55, along with "Rock Around The Clock." This was the era where older performers (and songwriters) were trying to stay "relevant" in the face of the changing tastes of a younger, hipper audience. Rock-n-roll - and Elvis - was just around the corner.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: GUEST,revpar_is_king
Date: 29 Dec 07 - 11:59 AM

Looking at this message board, this conversation has been going on for most of 10yrs now. I'm just now trying to track down a song and cartoon stuck in the back of my head and you guys/ladies have helped a bunch. Anyway, here is my question. Was this song, RAGGMOPP, a one time thing on the Beany and Cecil show or did they sing it often because it's amazing that the song is the only thing I remembered about the cartoon until I started investigating and little sayings and lines quoted here and there came back as I read them. Still, it's amazing how that song got it started. My wife has no clue about the cartoon and when she asked me where I heard it, I don't even remember. I think it was during the Saturday Morning Show with Bill Cardill and Joe Negri in Pittsburgh but I may be way off with that even. Any answers would be helpful


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: GUEST,DAN
Date: 06 Jan 08 - 12:42 AM

Although credited as a composition by Wills and his steel guitarist Deacon Anderson, a subsequent court case showed it was a rip-off of "Get The Mop" by Henry 'Red' Allen.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: GUEST,Mike in DC
Date: 06 Jan 08 - 05:11 PM

I remember Beany and Cecil and I remember RAGGMOPP, but I don't remember any connection between the two. Obviously there was, since so many people seem to recall hearing the song on the show. The show initially ran locally in Los Angeles as Time for Beany before going national. Groucho Marx said it was one of the few children's shows that also appealed to adults. The fact that Stan Freberg was one of the writers and puppetteers probably had a lot to do with that. My dad and I used to watch it together. One of his favorite characters was Tearalong, the Dotted Lion. I also learned on Wikipedia that Albert Einstein once cut short a lecture on quantum mechanics to get home for Time for Beany.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 06 Jan 08 - 09:51 PM

Raggmopp was used during one of the story lines of Time For Beany whilst, I suppose, the song was popular. When they went on to another adventure, TFB no longer used the song.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: GUEST,mudshark
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 03:21 PM

"Was this song, RAGGMOPP, a one time thing on the Beany and Cecil show or did they sing it often because it's amazing that the song is the only thing I remembered about the cartoon until I started investigating and little sayings and lines quoted here and there came back as I read them. Still, it's amazing how that song got it started."

I don't think "often" would be accurate, but I'm almost certain it appeared more than once. I remember a "Beany and Cecil" episode in which it appeared sung by Cecil out in the middle of the ocean somewhere, rather than while sitting at a piano in a room as shown in "D.J. the DJ". This was 30-plus years ago, so I've got no idea what the episode title might have been.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: clueless don
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 09:23 AM

Beany and Cecil was definitely my first exposure to RAGGMOPP.

In addition to Tearalong, the Dotted Lion, I also remember an episode in which they had to sail past the Montgomery Cliffs, into the Chimpan Sea. I believe they were on their way to the No Bikini Atoll.

Don


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 10:39 PM

A little more explanation is necessary to understand my previous posting regarding the YMCA and its connection to the "Rag Mop" song.

"Ragging" is a campfire ceremony. While "RagMop" is NOT part of the ceremony - it has been sung at some Y - Campfires

The Rag program is a YMCA youth recognition.. It started in 1914 in California and contrasted with giving awards for athletic skills. Everyone could be recognized. The blue bandanna an award for character attributes like cheerfulness or helpfulness is awarded in the first year. A friendship stone is brought into the circle at "Raggers Point" a location in every camp. Red Rags were originally rare and given for outstanding contributions.

It evolved and expanded through the years - yellow rags - purple rags - brown rags - with various steps.

The YMCA connection to the song is obvious - the puns juvenial.

The "Spirit Lake" Y camp was blasted away by Mount St. Helen - photographer Art Jessup has "naturebyart" has before and after shots of the Ragger's Point (aka chapel) with the cross.
http://www.naturebyart.com/images/31.jpg

Y-Camp songs are generaly universal scout songs and Methodist church hymns "I Would Be True" etc. There are whole collections available easily on the web.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 08:13 AM

Ahhh, yer still an ole' Philmont Ranger, gargie....where are you this week? using euros?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 05:08 PM

Philmont Rangers?? I've been there and done that. Wonderful memories from the Sangre de Cristo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 05:10 PM

Some fool just wandered by and hit my arm. Sorry for the interruption. In any event, I meant to mention to the Beany & Cecil fans that one of the great talents (and all-time wits)of that show, Stan Freberg, contributed a lot of musical satire in his time. Who remembers?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Apr 09 - 11:50 PM

Greetings everyone!
I truly just want or need to get a copy of Beanie and Cecil singing RAGGMOPP!
If one listns correctly the past can seem rather sweet!
tomswa@webtv.net


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: Nehi
Date: 26 Apr 09 - 10:16 AM

Ahhhh yes...RAGGMOPP...

Remember "The Thing" by Phil Harris?

You'll never get rid of that Boom Boom Boom...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: GUEST,Logan S.
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 04:25 PM

deacon anderson (steel guitar) wrote raggmopp when he was in the navy in 1947. my grandpa jerome stubbs plays lead guitar with deacon. they are actually about to record an album here soon. if you have any questions email. bhbeast@yahoo.com


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 04:29 PM

lovely version on Michael Hurley's Ida Con Snock album...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: R A G G M O P P / Rag Mop
From: GUEST,Miaharted
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 07:55 AM

Thank you so much for the lyrics and comments about this song. I have to learn it. NOT too thrilled about it. I'm not sure if it's a real low point in my singing. I think that would have to be "Achy Breaky Heart"

But that is another story.


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