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Subject: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: Phil G.
Date: 19 May 98 - 11:58 PM

Need some help on this nonsense ditty...was walkin' around singing it once and some stranger sung me another verse...

"Once upon a time, the goose drank wine, the goose chased the monkey up a telephone line. The line she broke, and the monkey got choked, and they all went to heaven in a little green boat"...

..This one came out of nowhere and its been with me since childhood...


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 May 98 - 12:51 AM

Does this help?

Three, six, nine, the goose drank wine
The monkey chewed tobacco on a streetcar line
The line broke, the monkey got choked
And they all went to heaven in a little rowboat
#07) Shirley Ellis: "The Clapping Song (Clap Pat Clap Slap)" (1965) [8] {16}
(Written by her manager/husband Lincoln "Bo-Bincoln" Chase, said Jamie. Barry added that Chase also wrote "Jim Dandy Got Married" for LaVern Baker. The EJs & Co. commented: "The last top 10 song for the 'Name Game' lady---Shirley, Shirley bo-birley, banana-fanna fo-firley, fee-fi-mo-mirley, Shirley [sorry, we couldn't resist]. Also recorded by Pia Zadora in 1982.")
and...
The name of that song is "The Clapping Song" by Shirley Ellis. It's another one of those great oldies that gets ignored by most oldies stations!

Found on a hotbot search for "exact phrase." I'm wondering if maybe "Clapping Song" and "Name Game" have earlier roots, or if they originated with Shirley Ellis. I think they may be jumprope chants.

Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: alison
Date: 20 May 98 - 08:43 PM

Hi,

There's another different word for you Joe, we used to use it for "skipping".

Slainte

Alison


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 May 98 - 08:57 PM

Hi Alison - when I was a little kid in Detroit, girls skipped rope, moving their two feet separately. Boys, when they swallowed their pride and did it, jumped - with both feet together. But we kept our mouths shut and didn't say any of those cute little sissy chants, since they were for girls.

By the way, I was able to find a link to the Jumprope Hypertext Archive. It's back in a nifty hypertext form at a university in Florida. I advise anybody who's interested to skip right over and check this site.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: rich r
Date: 21 May 98 - 01:05 AM

Joe,

Is it true that you actually have a Pia Zadora album?

rich r


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 May 98 - 05:01 AM

Who dat, rich???? Is she a punk rocker? Is she a she?
.....but I do remember Shirley Ellis.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: rich r
Date: 22 May 98 - 09:55 PM

Joe,

I spose I misread the last line of the parenthetical statement and thought it was an addition of yours. Nevertheless, Pia Zadora, pop/torch singer of the 80's also and actress. Best know because she married someone high up in the movie/entertainment business who bankrolled her movies and record contracts. Among her recordings was "Pia & Phil" (Phil being some philharmonic orchestra) . I ran across an April '82 hit parade list, her song "I'm In Love Again" was at #68. "Chariots of Fire" was #3 that week, "Ebony & Ivory" by McCartney & Wonder debuted at 29, "Wake Up Little Susie" by Simon & Garfunkel was at #59, and "Baby Step Back" by G Lightfoot was at #71, some big names in there. Personally I don't recall any of her music. Her movie career inclued "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," "Pajama Tops", "Butterfly," "Lonely Lady", "Voyage of the Rock Aliens," "Troop Beverly Hills," and "Pia Zadora's American Songbook". The latter an extended music video of classic Broadwas/Tin Pan Alley etc. songs. By now you're thinking, did she get any awards? Yes, In 1982 a Golden Globe for New Star of the Year In a Motion Picture for "Butterfly". And in 1983 2 Razzies for Worst Actress of the Year and Worst New Star for "Butterfly", 1984 another Razzie for "Lonely Lady" and finally in 1990 a Razzie for Worst New Star of the Decade. An illustrious career to be sure. In most of her movies I think her morphology was more in evidence than her thespianism. It took about an hour to find this useless information on the net. Probably would have taken a lot less time if 90% of the links to her name had not featured pictures of "famous" people unwrapped or just hanging out. My appologies to any who may have read all the way to the end of this. Even in my own broad and subjective definition of folk, this isn't

rich r


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,whittet@shore.net
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 06:26 AM

three six[ty] nine
the goose drank her wine
the monkey chewed tobacco
on the street frauline

the line broke
the monkey got choked
they stroked off to heaven
on her little row boat

just wondering where this came from originally...


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: W y s i w y G !
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 11:05 AM

How odd, just last night there was a TV commercial showing a goose up on a dining table sipping from a wine glass! Maybe I should have paid more attention to whatever they were using on the soundtrack!

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: open mike
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 03:51 PM

i think jumprope rhymes are magic!
they are part of the cultural heritage
which thrives in the lives of 8-12
year olds and is passed on to others
of that age group. the younger ones
don't know them, and the older ones
have forgotten, except back in deep
recesses of the memory. That age is
a wonderful time of life. YOu know
how to tie your shoes and whistle,
but have not been burdened by the
adult worries and cares!

Cinderella, dressed in yellow
Went upstairs to kiss a fellow
Made a mistake, kissed a snake
How many doctors did it take?
1,2,3,4,etc

i do not think i ever mastered double dutch..
but some kids can-i am sure there are contests.


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: Neighmond
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 06:40 PM

I didn't jump so much rope as a youngun but as boys in a working class neighborhood we DID "count out" alot. For those who don't know or forgot, "counting out" was the act of excluding ones self (or IN cluding one's self) from being "it!" I don't see it so much anymore, but I sure liked doing it myself.

I put one up a while ago about such as that- Here it is for anyone who wants to see it.

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=56361

Subject: RE: Folklore: Skipping Rhymes & Playground Games
From: Neighmond - PM
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 01:57 AM


Well-a-day! As a poor kid, we had few toys and played outside games- "bunny run" and "touch hide-and-seek", or lotball and wallball (called lobo, in our slang-"You never looked sick...out playing lobo all day!"), and this was how we decided who was "it!" Pardon the length-I got fired up about this because it seemed so fun to do, and I seldom see children playing it nowadays.

We had a caller, who counted the rhyme and tapped our shoe toes with each accented word. The caller was usually the oldest or the one who said "I call picks!" or "I call!" first. All the players, including the caller, put their feet in a circle and hunkered down. The elimination went on until one last foot was left. The person that foot was attatched to then led off by being "it".

I. Engine, engine, number two!
   Coming down the C.B.Q.*
   If the train should jump the track-
   Would you get (want) your money back?

   (Answer: Either Yes, no, or maybe)

   Y-E-S spells "yes" and you are not it!
   N-O            "no"
   M-A-Y-B-E      "maybe"

* Chicago, Burlington & Quincy- a railway in eastern Iowa/northern Illinois

I have heard it:
Engine, engine, number nine (ten), (three)
Going down Chicago Line (the L. & N.), (the Santa Fe)

We always used The C. B. Q., and the Chicago line one. The caller touched toes on shoes with each accented word (sort of depended on the caller as to the accent) and the person who was ended up on chose the answer, and the caller spelled it out and whomever was landed on then was removed from the running.


II. Bubblegum, Bubblegum in the dish
    How many pieces do you wish?

    (Answer is a number.)

The person who got landed on picks a number, and the caller spells out the number, followed by "...and you are not IT!" The person whose foot is landed on last is out of the running.


III. One...two...three! NOT IT!

The caller counted slowly, and all yelled "NOT IT!" The last one to finish saying "NOT IT!" was "it". This one could start a nasty fight, causing disputes over who had in fact called "NOT IT!" and how fast they had done it.


IV. Doggie, doggie diamond
    Step...right...OUT!

The caller tapped the toes of the shoes in time with the words, and the foot the caller ended up on was out of the running. This, too, was a questionable one to use, as any caller could control it so they could put themselves out of the running, or put the ones they chose on purpose out of the running. We only used it if nobody called: "No doggie diamond!", which was very seldom indeed.

V. My momma, your momma, hanging out clothes
   Your mom hit my momma right in the nose
   What color was the blood?*

   (Answers with a color)

   (Caller spells color) and (optional: my momma says) you are not it!

The person landed on picks out a color and the caller spells it and proceeds as usual, eliminating the last one landed on.

*The po-leace took your momma straight to jail
how many days to pay her bail?

Proceeds as above only using numbers in leu of letters. This last version showed up as I was becoming too old for tag hide-and-seek, and seemed to start with some kids from Fort Dodge. From time to time "momma" was replaced by "grannie".

VI. One, two, three, four!
    I ain't being "it" no more!

VII. My momma told me to pick the very best one
    and you are not it!

VIII. One, two, three,
      You're O-U-T!

On all three of these, whomever the caller landed on was out of the running. Like "Doggie diamond" they were often a bone of contention.


I used to spend recesses against the wall for jumping out of the swings in mid-air, and playing tag on the tornado slide, and the girls jumped the rope on the wide walkway there. Here are a few that I recall hearing, but the words may be out of order, as this was a while ago.

I. Apples on a stick, make me sick(slick?).
   make my arms (heart?) go two-four-six!
   It's not because i'm dirty
   It's not because i'm clean
   It's not because I kiss the boys
   behind a magazene (behind a _____ machine?)
   Hey girls, let's have fun!
   Here comes a cop with his (vest?) undone!
   He can shammey he can shake
   He can do the hoochie-koo
   But I bet a dollar he can't catch you!
   One, two, three, etc.....

Chanted to a double jumprope, I heard this on the schoolyard in Spirit Lake, Iowa around 1982-5. The count continued untill the jumproper missed a lick.

II. I went to the chinese grocer
    to buy a loaf of bread
    He wrapped it up in wax-paper
    And here is what he said:
    My name is Kay-eye-pickel-eye
    Humble berries, wild cherries
    Chinese chop sticks-
    Chow Chow!

In this little chant, the girls sat facing each other and clapped hands on each others palms, and their shoulders and laps. They went on until someone goofed in the clapping order. I heard this one in an apartment complex, growing up in Spirit Lake, Iowa in the early '80's.

III.Miss Lucy had a steam boat,
    The steam boat had a bell.
    Miss Lucy went to heaven,
    The steam boat went to
    Hell-o operator,
    Give me number nine,
    If I get disconnected,
    I'll kick you from-
    Behind the 'fridgerator
    There sat a piece of glass,
    Miss Lucy sat upon it
    And cut her big fat
    As-k me no more questions,
    Tell you me more lies,
    The boys are in the bathroom,
    Zipping up their flies-
    Are in the kitchen,
    The're buzzing everywhere
    I got a can of fly spray
    And sprayed it in the
    Airplane is in the air,
    The trucks are on the ground,
    And I get on the carosell
    Go 'round and round and
    'Round King Arthur's table
    There was a dozen knights.
    There was a lot of fighting
    At dinner every
    Night time in the city
    Night time in the park
    Miss Lucy's on the park bench
    Kissin' in the Dark!

Usually two girls swung one long rope, which had some bits tied to to make it snap on the cement, and the third girl jumped double-time. The two end girls sang this, and they NEVER had the same verses as the last lot that sang it-there must be a million! When the girl in the middle missed a lick, one of the end girls would switch places. I remember hearing this in Mankato, Minnesota, as far back as 1980, only I don't recall all the verses they were using. This version is the verses a lady friend and I recall from the apartment complex and school yard in Spirit Lake in the early '80's.

IV. Cinderella, dressed in yella
    Tell me, have you got a fella?

The girls holding the rope chanted this and the jumper kept time. She answered with a name and spelled it ("P-A-U-L spells 'Paul'") and this went on untill the jumper missed a lick.

V. (One time?)
   goose drank wine
   monkey chewed tobacco
   on the street car line.

There is some counting pattern to this one-and it was double-dutch (with two ropes) but I can't recall anymore of it. I heard it in Mankato in 1980 or thereabouts.

VI. Hopedy hop, hoppedy hop
    How many jumps until you stop?

Just like it looks. The jumper counts off untill she misses a lick, and they change jumpers. This comes from Emmetsburg, Iowa about 1985 or so.

VII. 'way down in the (gichee goo?)
    the girls and boys all coochie coo
    _______________cooties
    _________Baby booties

I can't recall that one too well, but that I heard Carolyn Steinocher's kid's chant it in Mankato. I was too young. I don't think they jumped the rope, I think they hopped the sidewalks.

VIII. I like coffee,
      I like tea.
      I like the boys
      And the boys like me.

IX. ___________and___________, sitting in the tree
    K-I-S-S-I-N-G!
    First comes love, next comes marrage
    Last comes__________with the baby carrage.
    (Some girls sang: Get the diapers, get the pins,
    Oh my word they just had Twins!)

X. I have a little brother
   his name is Tiny Tim.
   We put him in the bathtub
   To see if he could swim.
   He drank up all the water.
   He ate up all the soap.
   He tried to eat the bathtub
   But it won't go down his throat.

XI. My brother's as mean as he can be!
    He broke a plate and he blamed me!
    But I told Ma
    And Ma Told Pa
    And Brother got a whupping so Ha! Ha! Ha!

These didn't seem to be used in jumping the rope, they were clapping and cat's cradle (with yarn?) games, as I recall. I heard them in Spirit Lake and Arnold's Park in the early '80's.


There are a billion more but I would put everyone to sleep saying them, and they pretty much all follow the lines of the ones I said. I hope this does someone some good-it was sure fun to remember them!

For what it's worth
Chaz


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Sep 03 - 06:58 PM

French children have a version of this.


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Pepper
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 05:59 PM

Is this clap rhyme verse in the public domain?


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: Neighmond
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 08:11 PM

If it isn't change one word and copyright your arrangment


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 08:19 PM

I don't think it is Politically Correct to Perform Clap Rhymes in The Public Domain any more, is it?

:-)

Robin


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,WadeHP
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 01:18 PM

Our version is South Carolina was:

Once upon a time, a goose chewed wine
Billy goat a'settin' on the streetcar line
Streetcar broke, the monkey got choked
and they all went to heaven on a nanny goat.


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 08:34 PM

REGARDING
QUESTION ASKED Date: 03 Nov 03 - 05:59 PM   From Pepper:
Is this clap rhyme verse in the public domain?
ANSWER OFFERED Date: 03 Nov 03 - 08:11 PM   From Neighmond:
If it isn't change one word and copyright your arrangment

May you suggest handy written references
supporting this sufficient common approah.
I do recall hearing validity for this approach
but never read it in any copyright guides. THANKS


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: LadyJean
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 12:58 AM

My mother, who grew up in the 1920s, sang the other part of the clapping song:
"My mother saidie, if I be goodie that she would buy me a wubbah (rubber) dowwie (dollie).
So don't you tell her that I've a feller, or she won't buy me a rubber dollie.

The 60s version said, "My auntie told her I kissed a soldier, so she won't buy me a rubber dollie," and was sung without the lisp mother used.


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 09:04 PM

Lady Jean

WONDERFUL addition - thank YOU!!



What was the "geographic location" for your mother when she learned this "clapping song"???????



Sincerely,

Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,mamabear
Date: 30 Nov 03 - 04:55 PM

Hi there

I just dropped in to look up a jump rope rhyme for my daughter, and spotted this...

I was in Southeastern Massachusetts when I learned this rhyme on the playground sometime in the mid 1960s. The way I learned it was close to the way Joe Offer had it:

Three, six, nine, the goose drank wine
The monkey threw tobacco on the streetcar line
The line broke, the monkey got choked
And they all went to heaven in a little rowboat (clap, clap)

with the second part more or less as LadyJean had it, but no lisping please:

My mother told me
If I was goodie
That she would buy me
A rubber dollie.
My auntie told her
I kissed a soldier
Now she won't buy me
A rubber dollie!


The reggae group UB40 makes reference to this rhyme in the "Tribute" section of "Red, Red Wine". It includes "The line broke, the monkey got choked" but then continues with the very un-60s "Burn bad ganja on his little rowing boat"!

mamabear


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank win
From: JinxChristie
Date: 01 Dec 03 - 02:18 PM

My version is a little diffrerent. I grew up in the south in the 1930's and we sang it this way:

"Once upon a time, The goose drank wine,
The monkey chewed tobacco on the streetcar line.
The streetcar broke and the monkey choked,
And they all went to heaven on a dead billy goat."

Now, ain't that a hoot???


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Terry Mount
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 11:26 AM

This is the "goose drank wine" rhyme as I remember it from my childhood in the 1950's. I don't recall any game or activity associated with it; we just recited it.

Once upon a time
the goose drank wine;
the hen pecked corn
off the streetcar line.
The streetcar broke
the monkey got choked
Steamboat! Steamboat!
Holler like a Nanny Goat!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,IpedLnpadL@aol.com
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 12:03 PM

Basically the same from the 1960's in Virginia:

Three, Six, Nine, The Goose Drank Wine
The Monkey Chewed Tobacco on the Street Car Line
The Line Broke, the Monkey got Choked
and They All Went to Heaven in a Little Row Boat...
Clap...Clap....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Stephen
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 12:52 PM

I thought it was a Like a Rolling Stone poarody for a minute there...!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,nicon
Date: 08 Aug 04 - 01:15 PM

My Grandmother would tell me that rhyme when i was young and she heard it from her father when she was a child.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Binky
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 11:27 PM

i grew up in Detroit, Michigan and this is how i learned it:

Once upon a time, the goose drank wine.
The monkey chewed tobacco on a streetcar line.
The line broke.
The monkey got choked.
And they all went to heaven in a little row boat.

Fascinating, don't you think? :-)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Jun 05 - 11:33 PM

Yep.

This probably was some relative of Chongo Chimp.

[smile]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,jaylavelle
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 10:37 PM

I'm almost sure this rhyme came from a historical British political incident. It is kind of "in code" for an attempt to over throw the queen and the consequences to the conspirators:
3, 6, 9, the goose drank wine= One of them was poisoned
the monkey chewed tobacco on a street called Line= where they were supposed to meet.
The line broke= the conspiracy was discovered.
The monkey got choked= hanged
And they all went to heaven on a little row boat= deported to Australia.
I'm sure I've heard this explanation some where- Anybody can provide details? Jay


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: open mike
Date: 25 Apr 09 - 01:33 AM

it just seems like it should have a sweet potatoe vine in it somewhere


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Angie
Date: 12 May 09 - 03:11 PM

Are the lyrics 369 the monkey drank wine any of the versions of red red wine by ub40?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank win
From: Azizi
Date: 12 May 09 - 09:44 PM

Hello, Guest Angie. Thanks for asking that question.

This verse from UB 40's 1983 Reggae song "Red Red Wine" does indeed have very similar lyrics to the children's playground rhyme "Once Upon A Time [or "3-6-9"] The Goose Drank Wine":

"Red red wine you make me feel so fine
Monkey pack him rizla pon the sweet dep line"

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/babymama/redredwine.htm
-snip-

Now here's another question[-What does "Monkey pack him rizla pon the sweet dep line" mean? I'm assuming that "pack" means "carry" or maybe it means "put" or "place". And I'm pretty certain that "pon" means "upon". In African American slang something that is "sweet" is "very good" or very "satisfying"ee "sweet". I'm assuming that this meaning is the same in Jamaican patois (if that is the dialect source of that line).

The word "dep" in that sentence might mean "deep" as in "heavy", which might be another intensifier which further denotes that the "line" (the rhythm-if that's what "rizla" means-or the song's lyrics?? I'm just guessing, but does this line mean that the "Monkey" is playing or singing some sweet, heavy (profoundly good) music which the person singing really feels because of the intoxicating influence of "red red wine"? If this is an accurate "translation", I don't think that in this context "monkey" is meant as a racial slur, but still it gets very close to that and in my opinion should only be used with caution.

**   

Here's a link to a YouTube video of that song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg1iEBWxVeQ

-snip-

Since "Red Red Wine" is has a Reggae beat, its tune isn't the same as the children's rhyme. But it certainly does appear that that verse given above was inspired by the playground rhyme.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: jeffp
Date: 13 May 09 - 04:51 PM

There was a brand of rolling papers named Rizla.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: Snuffy
Date: 19 May 09 - 08:52 AM

Rizla is the name of a brand of cigarette papers used for hand-rolling: the tobacco involved may (or may not) be "wacky"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank win
From: Azizi
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:15 AM

jeffp and Snuffy, thanks for that explanation of the word "rizla".

Admittedly, none of this is of earthshaking importance, but these examples point out how words & phrases in popular songs and children's playground rhymes can be misunderstood because of insufficient knowledge of the culture/s from which the songs and/or rhymes come.

The use of the word "rizla" also might denote another cultural difference-in much of the USA (except for rolling marijuana "cigarettes") most Americans buy ready made cigarettes already packaged while in some other parts of the world, people buy pouches of tobacco and make individual cigarettes when they want to smoke them.

Given that explanation for the word "rizla" instead of the familiar USA version:
"the monkey chewed tobacco on the street car line", in that UB40 "Red Red Wine" verse do we have "the monkey rolled his tobacco" or "the monkey carried his tobacco" on the sweet dep line?

**

So now that the word "rizla" is explained, what about the word sweet and the word "dep" and the phrase "sweet dep line"? Could "dep" just be a shortened form of the word "department" (perhaps meaning a transportation department which could be another name for a street car or trolley line or railroad line? And does a "sweet dep line" mean a department "line" (transportation grid) that is "sweet" because it is important, or "cool" or good because it leads to certain cool or good or important places like a big city with all sorts of urban places of amusements?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Silvia Wilson
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 11:02 AM

My mother-in-law, Marguerite LeMieux Marsh, taught me a version of this rhyme that she learned in Orono, Maine in the 1920s.
"Once upon a time when a goose drank wine,
and a monkey chewed tobacco on a streetcar line.
The streetcar broke. The monkey told a joke.
And they all went to heaven in a little tin boat."

This may have been one of the first rhymes she learned in English, as they spoke French at home, and her knowledge of English was rather scanty when she first went to school.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 07:09 PM

All of the above versions seem to be American.
For a possibly earlier English chant obviously related.(1950s Yorkshire)

Once upon a time when pigs ate/shit lime
And monkeys chewed tobacco,
The little piggy run with his finger up his bum,
To see what was the matter.

I'm sure I've seen other British variants too.

Ah here we are.
Chambers Popular Rhymes of Scotland p57

Lang syne, when geese were swine,
And turkeys chewed tobacco,
And birds biggit their nests in auld men's beards
And mowdies del't potawtoes--

which kicks off a folk tale called The Wife and her Bush of Berries.

I have another half dozen versions from various parts of Britain.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 09 - 03:28 AM

goose drank wine

3 6 9, the goose drank wine - a drunk
the monkey chewd tobacco on the streetcar line - the 'dirty' smoker
line broke - they were discovered
monkey got choked - hanged
and the all went to heave in a little red boat - they went to hell

of this is how my mother described it to me, mayb she was jus tryin to make sure i never did these things..lol



a diff version of "miss lucy had a steamboat"

miss suzie had a steamboat
the steamboat had a bell
miss suzie went to heaven but the steamboat went to
hello operator
plz give me number nine
and if u disconnect me
ill chop off ur
behind the fridgerator
there lay a piece of glass
miss suzie sled upon it and broke her big fat
ask me not more questions
tell me no more lies
the boys r in the bathroom
pulling down their
flies are in the meadow
the bees are in the park
miss suzie and her boyfriend are kissing in the
d-a-r-k, d-a-r-k dark dark
dark is like a movie
a movies like a show
a show is like a tv show and that is all
i kno i kno my mom, i kno i kno my pop
i kno i kno my sister with the forty acre bra
my mother gave me a nickel, my father gave me a dime
my sister gave me her boyfriend and his name is frankenstein
he made me do the dishes, he made me do the floor,
he made me do his underwear and i kicked him out the door
i kicked him over london, i kicked him over france
i kicked him over hawaii and he learned the hula dance.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 02:35 AM

My Dad always used to sing it to me when I was little. He called it my "short bedtime story". He's from Baltimore, MD and grew up in the 1940's and 1950's. It's so neat to see all these different variations from America and Great Britain!

Once upon a time
The Goose drank wine
The monkey chewed tobacco on the street car line
The line broke
The monkey choked
And they all went to heaven in a little green boat......Toot Toot!

Erica Odum


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank win
From: srich
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 03:09 PM

Wasn't this song made popular and was called the Witch Doctor song?

I remembered it as:

spoken plainly with a strict meter, marching time

2,4,6,9 the goose drank the wine,
the monkey chewed tobacco on the street car line
the line broke, the monkey choked
and they all went to heaven in a little rowboat
(clap, clap clap) ooh, eee, ooh aah, aah
ting tang wally wally bing bang,
Ooo eee, ooo ahh, ahh, ting tang
wally wally bing bang.

My mama told me, if I was goody,
that she would buy me a rubber dolly,
My auntie told her, I kissed a soldier
So she could buy me a rubber dolly.

in double time(clap clap clap)
Ooo eee ooo ahh ahh
ting tang wally wally bing bang
Ooo eee ooo ahh ahh
ting tang wally bing bang.

At least this was how I taught it to about 300 5th and 6 th graders one year.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Beckie In louisiana
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 04:51 PM

Once upon a time the goose drank wine the monkey played the fiddle on the sweet potato vine..The vine broke the monkey choked they all went to heaven on a billy goat I learned that verse from my Gradmother    (Louisiana)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank win
From: Arbuthnot
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 01:10 AM

Rizla is what the English call those cigarette papers - the manufacturers are a company called Riz, La Croix (translates as Rice and Cross), and they shortened the name to Riz La+ on the packets!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: iancarterb
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 10:35 PM

Same meter, similar verse from Hopalong Peter- might have been a ropeskip verse?
Old mother Hubbard and her dog were Dutch
A bow-legged rooster and he hobbled on a crutch
The hen chewed tobacco and the duck drank wine
The goose played the fiddle on the pumpkin vine


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Ashley
Date: 06 Apr 10 - 02:27 PM

Once upon a time the goose drank wine
the monkey chewed tobacco on the street car line
the line broke
the monkey got choked
and they all went to heaven on a billy goat!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank win
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 06 Apr 10 - 02:49 PM

The Clapping Song... anyone remember this version????


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 11:12 PM

My Mom told me this version that she got from her grandmother:

Once upon a time
a goose drank some wine
a monkey played the fiddle
on the sweet potato vine

the vine broke
the monkey got choked
and they all went to heaven
in a little row boat


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 11:32 PM

I saw a note above, and just wanted to mention that my grandmother was from Louisiana, since the only other person who knows the sweet potato vine version is from there as well. My grandmother grew up during the Great Depression.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 11:12 PM

My Mom told me this version that she got from her mother, (though Grandma said the last line "on a little billy goat"):

Once upon a time
a goose drank some wine
a monkey played the fiddle
on the sweet potato vine

the vine broke
the monkey got choked
and they all went to heaven
in a little row boat


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Pauline
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 08:49 PM

Here's one that my Mom always recites. It's from a small book of poems, she says, from her childhood years. I cannot find any reference to it:

"Little Joey by the doorstep
on a little cabin lane.
Pouring gravel through his fingers
and his Mammy heard him say. Ain't
nobody, can't nobody, love a colored
child I guess. Manny slaps me, teacher
raps me, and I longs for love I fess"...

A nickle to anyone who knows the book, the
author, or another verse....   :o)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Sep 10 - 04:00 PM

Pauline: I searched in Google Books using several phrases from the poem you quoted, and one source that came up repeatedly was Farm Journal, Volume 50 (1926).

It also comes up when you search for—

"Pouring gravel through his fingers"
"Ain't nobody, cain't nobody love a"
"teacher raps me"
"slaps me and I longs for love I fess"

The trouble is, Google won't show you the text. You'll probably have to go to a library to find it. Go to WorldCat.org and enter your location (zip code) and it will show you the closest library that has Farm Journal; then you should check the catalog of the library to make sure it has the right volume and year.

And if you get the poem, please come back here and post the whole thing. (But it might be best to start a new thread.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Cents
Date: 28 Dec 10 - 08:01 PM

My great grandmother used to sing this version to my dad in Philadelphia in the early to mid 1950's. She was from England:

Once upon a time when pigs ate rye and monkeys chewed tobacco
One went pffft
Another went pffft
They all went pffft together!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank win
From: GUEST,Beth
Date: 28 Apr 11 - 09:05 PM

My dad, who is almost 90, learned this poem before he entered 1st grade. This is his version:
LLittle Joey, by the doorstep
Of a little cabin, lay
Pouring gravel through his fingers,
And his mammy heard him say,

"Ain't nobody, cain't nobody
Love a little colored boy don't guess.
Teacher raps me, mammy slaps me
And I longs for love I 'fess.

I just wish when mammy calls me
She'd say 'Come here Honey Lamb,'
Stead of sayin', 'Get here Joey,
Or I shall give you a slam!'

If I'd die folks 'ould miss me,
Lay some flowers 'round my head;
Mammy 'ould cry and maybe kiss me.
Yes, I mostly wish I's dead."

Mammy smiled, while love and pity
Struggled with a touch of pride;
Then she hastened to the window
And in a loving tone she cried,
"Come in Honey Lamb,
You's getting all tanned up,
And the grand folks passing by
Will think you's Irish, like as not."


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Subject: Lyr Add: JOEY'S SOLILOQUY (Hattie Town Purvis)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:40 PM

I made another attempt to extract this poem from the Farm Journal of 1926—see my link above. It works better now:


JOEY'S SOLILOQUY
By Hattie Town Purvis

Little Joey by the doorstep
Of the little cabin lay,
Pouring gravel through his fingers,
And his mammy heard him say:

"Ain't nobody — cain't nobody
Love a culled boy, don't guess.
Teacher raps me, mammv slaps me
And I longs for love, I 'fess,

"I jess wish when mammy calls me
She'd say 'Come heah, honey lamb!'
Stead of saying, 'Get heah Joey,
Or I'll shore give you a slam.'

"If I died de folks ud miss me,
Lay some flowers around my head,
Mammy'd cry an' mebbv kiss me,
Yes, I mostly wish I'se dead."

Mammy smiled, while love and pity
Struggled with a touch of pride,
Then she hastened to the window,
And in loving tones she cried;

"Come in honey! you'll be gettin'
All tanned up, de sun's so hot,
And de grand folks passin' by'll
Think you's Irish, like as not."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Mike
Date: 07 May 11 - 11:06 PM

I was taught this version:

Once upon a time the goose drank wine
Monkey chewed tobacco on the street car line
Street car broke
The monkey choked
They all went to heaven on an old steam boat.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: LadyJean
Date: 07 May 11 - 11:23 PM

Gargoyle: My mom grew up in Edgewood, a suburb of Pittsburgh PA.

When I was a kid the rhyme went:

Cinderella dressed in yella
Went downtown to see her fella.
On the way her girdle busted.
How many people were disgusted.
1,2,3,4,5,6.........


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 11 - 10:01 PM

When I was growing up this rhyme went:

Cinderella dressed in yellow
Went upstairs to kiss her fellow
Made a mistake
Kissed a snake
How many doctors did it take
1,2,3,4,5,6.........


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 18 May 11 - 10:05 PM

The "Think you're Irish" poem is a little iffy...


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Subject: a childhood jingle from the late 1950s /early 1960
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 02:00 PM

madthr7@aol.com
i remember a jingle,i can not remember the whole thing please help me find the rest of the words,thanks.
    3,6,9 the goose drank wine
    the monkeys chewed tobbacco on the street caroline
    the line broke the monkeys got chocked
    and they all went to hell
    in a little row boat


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Subject: RE: Lyr req: 3, 6, 9, the Goose Drank Wine
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 08:00 PM

Hi - I'm surprised we don't have this in our Jumprope Hypertext Archive, but we do have it as Three Six Nine in our Digital Tradition Folk Song Database:
    THREE SIX NINE

    Three six nine
    The goose drank wine
    The monkeys played on the street car line
    The line broke
    The monkeys choked
    And they all lived together in a little green boat


    @kids @game
    filename[ THREESX2
    TUNE FILE: THREESX2
    CLICK TO PLAY
    LQ
    Oct00



I learned it from a pop song, [Shirley Ellis: "The Clapping Song (Clap Pat Clap Slap)] that was popular in the 1960s or 1970s:
    Three, six, nine, the goose drank wine,
    The monkey chewed tobacco on the street car line.
    The line broke, the monkey got choked;
    And they all went to heaven in a little rowboat.

Can't say I ever heard the song from more traditional sources.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 06:28 PM

Then there Dahl's from James and the Giant Peach:

Everybody clapped and called out for more songs from the Centipede, who at once launched into his favourite song of all:

Once upon a time
When pigs were swine
And monkeys chewed tobacco
And hens took snuff
To make themselves tough
And the ducks said quack -quack -quacko,
And porcupines
Drank fiery wines
And goats ate tapioca
And Old Mother Hubbard
Got stuck in the c –'

Look out, Centipede!' cried James. 'Look out!'

(here)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank win
From: GUEST,eeefin' monkey goose
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 02:43 AM

Once Upon a Time
The Goose Drank Wine
and The-Monkey-Spit-Tobacco-On-The-Sweet-Potato-Vine :)
-Louisiana


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 01:19 PM

My dad always would sing this too me,

"Once upon a time the goose drank wine the monkey chewed tobacco of the street car line they all choked and they all went to heaven in a little row boat."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,jiminmuncie
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 01:02 PM

Wow! I'm glad I checked here. As a songwriter, I'm always looking for ideas, lyric hooks, melody hooks, rhythm hooks, etc.

For some reason a rhyme I'd heard in junior high school back in the 50s always stuck with me. I first heard it done by a black kid who, while singing it, brushed his fingers back and forth on his notebook creating a great rhythm backup. (He was later the drummer in what was our first band.)

The rhyme went - "Once upon a time a goose drank wine, a monkey swingin' on a sweet 'tato vine. The vine broke, the monkey got choked and they all went to Heaven on a nanny goat".

After all these years of that rhyme popping up in my memory I figured maybe there was a reason why, so I decided to sit down with my rhythm machine and write something around that verse.

Then I began to wonder if maybe something similar had already been published. I see here that Shirley Ellis had a song that was pretty much based on this sort of rhyme. Dang! 'Guess I'd better check with the copyright office on that one, huh? 'Don't want to plagiarize anyone's creation.

Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,DiEm
Date: 16 Jan 12 - 08:09 PM

The version as my grandparents taught me:

Once upon a time, a goose drank wine
A monkey chewed tobacco on the street car line
The street care broke
The monkey choked
And they all went to heaven on a little green boat.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Gerald
Date: 20 May 12 - 11:29 PM

Once upon a time
The goose drank wine
The rabbit chewed tobacco
And the dog went blind


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 12 - 11:04 AM

Once upon a time the goose drank wine the monkey played the fiddle on the sweet potatoe vine the vine broke the monkey got choked and they all went to heaven on a blue little boat.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,karen
Date: 14 Jul 12 - 11:02 AM

Once upon a time a goose drank wine a monkey chewed tobacco on the trolly line the trolly broke the monkey choked and they all lived together in a little tin boat. followed by a shave and a hair cut


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Bob K, Oak Hill, VA
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 05:58 PM

The version I know, circa 1951, is almost identical to the one posted by the person who said "I grew up in the south in the 1930's." I learned it from my father, who grew up in Louisville,KY in the 1920's:

"Once upon a time, the goose drank wine.
A monkey chewed tobacco on a streetcar line.
The streetcar broke. The monkey choked,
And they all went to heaven on a billy goat."

I want to thank the creator and contributors to this thread. It is poignant for me, because it is my only lasting memory of my father. He was estranged from our mother, and I remember him teaching us that poem during one or more visitations. He died, by his own hand, shortly thereafter. Until I recently heard the poem in a TV commercial, I had always assumed it was his own, private creation.

Lastly, I want to thank the creators of mudcat.org for hosting the thread, playgroundsongs.com for citing it, and Google for finding the citation.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Ha!
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 09:55 PM

Once upon a time a goos drank
Wine, a monkey chewed
Tobacco on a street car line,
The line broke, the monkey got chocked,
And they all went to heaven on
A little nanny goat.

My mother used to sing this to me
When I was a weeeeeee lass, in
Dublin ireland.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST,Trevor Summerville, SC
Date: 27 Nov 13 - 08:49 PM

Stumbled across this thread while trying to find out where this ditty originated.   I found my answer but couldent help but notice that the variation that I grew up hearing wasn't mentioned anywhere so I figured I may as well share it.

"The clock struck nine. The goose drank wine. The monkey chewed tobacco on the streetcar line. The line broke, the monkey then choke and they all went to heaven in a little row boat."

Of course when being recited with a southern accent it sounds a bit different than it is written. The is usually "duh" and they "day" makeing is seem to flow a little faster. I have heard the third line said "the monkey dun 'bacco on a streetcar line" usually along with the change of "the monkey, he choke."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine...
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jan 14 - 11:52 PM

My dad used to sing to us.
Once upon a time a goose drank wine
He thought he'd go to heaven on a street car line
Street car broke the monkey choked
They all went to heaven on a motor boat


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