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Subject: Irish Flag Colors From: Snoozer Date: 06 Oct 02 - 11:41 AM I'm partner in a shop (in the US) that sells mostly Scottish and Irish stuff, including Flags. We have information available on the origins of the various flags. Three people, in the past 6 months, have told us that the proper colors for the Ireland flag are Green, White and Gold, not orange (and of course they always say it like they are some kind of authority and how could we be so dumb). So we always ask (politely): Where did you hear that? and Why gold instead of orange? Inevitably, they heard it from "someone who is Irish", and they don't know why Gold! So does anyone know?? We have plenty of research explaining the orange part of the flag, but have not been able to find any information about gold on the flag. Thanks, Snoo |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: mack/misophist Date: 06 Oct 02 - 11:44 AM A friend of mine who is a kind of professional Irishman once said that there are Irish who can't bear to have orange in the flag. I think that's as authoritative as you're going to get. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: Ireland Date: 06 Oct 02 - 11:51 AM Did the Gold not come about thru the songs, the recent GAA winners must have annoyed some people their colours are orange,ha ha Some craic if the GAA finals were held on the twelfth. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: MudGuard Date: 06 Oct 02 - 11:51 AM Have a look at that: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ie.html Don't know whether all the info given there is correct - you will have to decide yourself. Btw, in heraldic (coat of arms...), usually white is used for silver and yellow for gold. MudGuard |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: ard mhacha Date: 06 Oct 02 - 12:29 PM GREEN WHITE AND ORANGE, AMEN. Ard Mhacha. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: Alice Date: 06 Oct 02 - 01:02 PM Snoozer, do your flags look like this? Imported from Ireland, Irish flag tee-shirt. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: Alice Date: 06 Oct 02 - 01:26 PM MudGuard's link to the official flag specifications shows Orange. The exact orange to use according to those specs is Pantone orange 151. In CMYK it is Magenta 40 and Yellow 90 (zero C and K). That information comes from an official document from http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/index.asp quote from page: http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/viewitem.asp?id=255&lang=ENG "National Flag The national flag of Ireland is a tricolour of green, white and orange. The flag is twice as wide as it is high. The three colours are of equal size and the green goes next to the flagstaff. The flag was first introduced by Thomas Francis Meagher in 1848 who based it on French tricolour." Guidelines for the National Flag are here (scroll down page): http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/viewitem.asp?id=1104&lang=ENG Click here |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Oct 02 - 01:42 PM Of course it's Orange - and Oranges are Gold. As I've heard it, at one time the idea was a bit more sectarian - Green for Ireland, and White and Yellow for the papal colours. But then it was changed to the present Green White and Orange as a symbol of inclusiveness of all traditions in the Republic. In the words of of the 1916 Proclamation "The republic ... declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past." |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: The Pooka Date: 06 Oct 02 - 01:59 PM Well, I know for a fact from Someone who is Irish that the White symbolizes Peace between the Orange and the Green. So there. :) True or not, I like it. "So never marry a soldier, a sailor or marine, But keep your eye on the Sinn Fein boy with his Yellow, White and Green." --from "Salonika", as sung by The Clancy Brothers, "Older But No Wiser" album. Haul down the long ladder and roll up the rope, *Enough* with King Billy and likewise the Pope, Up the Orange, the Green, and the Red White and Blue, This ain't 1690, it's 2002. -- The Pooka; "Oldy & Still Moldy", album in planning phase :) |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: The Pooka Date: 06 Oct 02 - 02:05 PM McGrath, yeah. Excellent. / But I saw somewhere that the Republic's Constitution, in its Preamble or something, is replete with references to Our Lord Jesus Christ. / OKOK, so He is accepted by "both sides" (which is why they're so fond of killing each other?); but as an Amurrican accustomed church/state separation (well---more or less), I was startled. / Am I wrong, there? Factually? |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Oct 02 - 02:24 PM I'd not be surprised. But you can check if you feel like it - Irish Constitution And church/state separation doesn't seem to interfere with "In God We Trust" in the USA.
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: The Pooka Date: 06 Oct 02 - 02:26 PM McGrath PS: YesYes, I know that the Easter Week Proclamation itself calls upon the Almighty (as does the US Declaration of Independence) - "In the name of God, and of the dead generations from whom she receives her old tradition of nationhood, Ireland, through us, summons her children to her flag, and strikes for her freedom." I just thought the *Constitution* could be a little bit more, well, agnostic. / Hm. Commentary on *me* perhaps. ("You're not Irish, you can't be Irish...":) |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: The Pooka Date: 06 Oct 02 - 02:30 PM McG, I posted above before seeing yours. Thanks will check link. / Yer quite right about In God We Trust, & other such stuff. / The US Supreme Court, which promulgated the High Wall of Separation doctrine, begins each session day with the announcement "God save the United States and this Honorable Court." Amen to that. :) /Then of course there's Reverend Dubya....but I Drift.... |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: The Pooka Date: 06 Oct 02 - 02:50 PM OK, thanks to McG's link above, here's me Evidence - Constitution of Ireland - Enacted by the People 1st July. 1937 - In operation as from 29th December, 1937 - PREAMBLE In Ainm na Tríonóide Ró-Naofa is tobar don uile údarás agus gur chuici, ós í is críoch dheireanach dúinn, is dírithe ní amháin gníomhartha daoine ach gníomhartha Stát, [Whoops. No, wait...:] In the name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred, We, the people of Éire, Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial, Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation, And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity andfreedom of the individual may he assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations, Do herehy adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution. ************************************************** >>Hm, the Most Holy Trinity! Bit more sectarian than I had remembered. O well. These matters can be finessed. / Suggest consider a denominational-decommissioning amendment, perhaps as part of the Republic's eventual Good Friday Agreement (if that survives, pray God) referendum ballot, concurrent with NI's, on whether to unite....Huh? *Who* says we Americans want to tell everybody else what do do?? Shaddup before I bomb yez. :) |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Oct 02 - 03:29 PM I take it that the Preamble here gives a nod in the direction of "The Deer's Cry", otherwise known as the Breastplate of Saint Patrick, which starts: I arise today through a mighty strength, the invocation of the Trinity, through belief in the Threeness, through confession of the Oneness of the Creator of creation. And God preserve us from anyone trying to fillet the poetry out of the Preamble to a constitutional document, in the name of some notion of avoiding offending anybody. If anyone ever tries amending that out of the Constitution I think they'll find they've bitten off more than they can chew.
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: Ireland Date: 06 Oct 02 - 03:33 PM I'm not getting involved, no way. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: The Pooka Date: 06 Oct 02 - 04:08 PM Right you are, Ireland. Leave this to us Yanks & Brits. We know wot's good for ye. :) OK, McGrath, I concede & back down. I don't wanna be the one to Chew that Fillet. Especially if it's from the Breastplate of St. Patrick. (Ouch! on several levels) Eire can tell the Protestants that it's historical & poetic language (which it is indeed) & not to worry; and put some new folderol into the footnotes or something, if needed. / I agree with you about the Republic's longstanding commitment to inclusiveness, rhetorically at the least and hopefully for real. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: MudGuard Date: 06 Oct 02 - 04:18 PM Ok, if this thread is for Brits and Yanks only, I want to delete my posting above. ;-) MudGuard (from Germany) |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: Jim McLean Date: 06 Oct 02 - 04:40 PM There's a lovely story about Brendan Behan coming down to breakast with a terrible hangover. He was offered a fried egg and said "I couldn't even look at the flag this morning!" Jim McLean |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: Alice Date: 06 Oct 02 - 04:50 PM Didn't any of you go to the link I posted above, the official government web site of Ireland? Should be no argument, as it states the facts. link again, http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/viewitem.asp?id=1104&lang=ENG From the Irish government web site: "National Flag The national flag of Ireland is a tricolour of green, white and orange. .. The flag was first introduced by Thomas Francis Meagher in 1848 who based it on French tricolour." |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Oct 02 - 05:09 PM I wouldn't see how most Protestants would have any docttrinal problems with that preamble. Well, if they are Unitarian maybe. The fact a government says something isn't necessarily the last word. Incidentally with the Ivory Coast in the news again, it's interesting to note that their flag is the same as the Irish one, except it's the other way round - which is the same as the way that Thomas Francis Meagher had it. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Oct 02 - 06:18 PM Robert Kee's book The Most Distressful Country (first volume of his 3 volume history of Irish history, The Green Flag) has some interesting stuff on this: The flag first appears in March 1848, in the wake of the revolutions elsewhere in Europe. "A new Irish flag made its appearance. French Red white and blue tricolours had been widely hoisted in honour of the new young French republic...in the first week of March there appeared in the celebrations at Enniscorthy in County Wexford a tricoloured flag of orange, green and white, hopefully "expressive of the unity of thebparties". And at a dinner given in April by the Dublin Trades Committee to O'Brien, Meagher and other members of a deputation that had carried Ireland's congratulations to the new French republic, Meagher presented his hosts with a silken orange, white and green flag, surmounted by an Irish pike which he had brougt back from Paris. He explained that the centre (ie the White) signified a lasting truce between the Orange and the Green. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: The Pooka Date: 06 Oct 02 - 06:19 PM McG., the fact is that when a *Mudcatter* says something, it is *never* the last word! (That's why I love this here 'Cat by God:) Unitarians, to be sure. (Unitarian minister drops & breaks his best guitar during service in meetinghouse, involuntarily blurts out "Jesus!"; congregation startled, first time they'd ever heard him mention the fellow....:) Alice, Yes we went to the website. & Thankyou! You settled it. We're not arguing about Color any more. That's for the Irish. We're just fighting about Religion. :) There were half a million people there, of all denominations: The Catholic, the Protestant, the Jew, And Presbyterian.... --Galway Races MudGuard, Stayen Zie Hier. The British and the Americans love the Germans. This thread is for everyone. Get the Ivory Coast in here! Jim McLean, *LOL* heeheehee. / St. Brendan B. on pan-nationalism (also, see above): "People say I hate Canada. I don't hate any country. Well perhaps I make certain exceptions." // Myles na gCopaleen, on eggs: "The Brother can't look at an egg...Thanks very much all the same but no eggs. The egg is barred...The trouble is that the egg never dies. It is full of all classes of microbes and once the egg is down below in your bag, they do start moving around and eating things, delighted with themselves...Just imagine all your men down there walking up and down your stomach and maybe breeding families, chawing and drinking and feeding away there, it's a wonder we're not all in our graves man, with all them hens in the country...I chance an odd one meself but one of these days I'll be a sorry man." OKOK: re the Subject: who besides me confuses the Irish flag with the Italian? |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: dorareever Date: 06 Oct 02 - 06:49 PM Our flag (Italian) is green,white and red.So either our green is darker or it seems so because there's red and not orange.I admit that a faded Italian tricolour could be mistaken for an Irish one.Here's the history of Italy flag anyway. http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/it-hist.html |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 06 Oct 02 - 06:58 PM As confirmed in John Cooney's admirable biography, the catholic cleric (ulitmately Archbishop of Dublin) John Charles McQuaid played a major part in drafting the Irish constitution. It makes no pretence at any sort of separation between church and state as per (say) France or USA. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: The Pooka Date: 06 Oct 02 - 07:57 PM Wow. Grazie, dorareever! / I like that Legion Lombarda. / Some would say a faded *Irish* tricolour might be mistaken for the emblem of today's Dublin government. / But *I* would never say that of course. I like Bertie, too. Nice chap. Honest. Ahem. May Fianna never Fail. & thanks Fionn. Pretense it is too, in significant part anyway, here in the USA. (France, I dunno. When I've been there I did not feel exactly hounded by the clergy....) Yes, I suppose to object to the Catholicism implicit in the Constitution is to object to Irish history since St. Patrick. Which I do not. As you may have gathered. (But then, Chu Chulainn was chul, too. *Finn* McCool, in fact.:) |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Oct 02 - 08:12 PM I'm sure Protestants in Ireland would say they have every bit as much regard to St Patrick and belief in the Trinity as Catholics do. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: The Pooka Date: 06 Oct 02 - 08:31 PM I'm sure they would, and do, and truthfully. St. Patrick was a gentleman, he came from dacent people, to me. / I like Patrick & especially his Croagh. But for the Trinity, I do not care. (Bless me Fadduh fer I have sinned.) I believe in Cosmology. I do. Accordingly, I kinda like the Buddha. Don't think he'd sell in Ireland though. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: The Pooka Date: 06 Oct 02 - 08:41 PM ...Although, in the Celtic Tiger era, maybe there ARE Euroes to be made, there....yeah but What about the *Flag*, dammit! People keep getting off-topic. Rrrmph. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 06 Oct 02 - 10:42 PM Prod or catholic, McGrath, when do they say the Trinity began? I mean, was it always there? In which case how did two of the triumvirate slip by wholly unnoticed until such relatively recent times? You'd think Jesus might have cropped up in conversation, say when God was teasing Abraham about sacrificing a son. Or was Jesus created specifically to be sacrificed, in which case it doesn't seem to have been that much of a sacrifice. It would have been more meaningful if God had sacrificed something he'd really treasured. To satisfy The Pooka I should explain that these questions relate to the theory that the white and orange in the flag were originally white and yellow, as a salute to the Vatican. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: Ireland Date: 06 Oct 02 - 11:07 PM The shop where my wife works had a compliant about flying the Irish flag when the store was promoting Italian food. All the talk about the trinity and it's the red cross of St.Patrick thats in the union jack. Heck I got involved,I never learn! |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: MudGuard Date: 07 Oct 02 - 06:07 AM Pooka, did you see the ;-) in my posting? Btw "Stayen Zie Hier" is not German, "Zie" sounds Dutch to me, "Hier" could be German... |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: Fiolar Date: 07 Oct 02 - 06:17 AM As kids in Ireland we always described the flag as "green, white and gold." In passing has anyone compared the flag of the Ivory Coast which has the exact same colours of the Irish flag only in reverse order. |
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Subject: RE: Irish Flag Colors From: Teribus Date: 07 Oct 02 - 06:46 AM TP - "St. Patrick was a gentleman, he came from dacent people" Your right there boyo: "St. Patrick, the patron saint of Ireland, was born in Wales about AD 385." If anyone has gone and looked into the link provided by Alice, it clearly, and officially states the whys and wherefores, particularly the Green, White and Yellow description. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Oct 02 - 07:39 AM Nothing in that link of Alice about Green White and Yellow. (When thre flag fades the Orange can look Yellow, trhe same way when the Italian flag fades the Red can look Orange. Arguing about whether it's Gold or Orange is like arguing whether it's Green or the colour of grass, or White or the colour of snow. The other flag that's a lot like the Irish one was the old Newfoundland flag, which was Green White and Pink - and that one was actually invented in 1843, before the Irish tricolour: The pink the Rose of England shows, The green St. Patrick's emblem bright, While in betweeen the spotless sheen St. Andrew's Cross displays the white Then hail the pink, the white, the green; Our patriot ring long may it stand, Our sire lands twine their emblem trine To form the flag of Newfoundland. Sadly, to my mind, they've dropped that one for something much more complicated and strange looking that looks like it was designed by a committee. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: Teribus Date: 07 Oct 02 - 08:11 AM McGoH: Open the PDF file. For any who can't, here's what is given as the official history of the flag. The History of The Flag The Irish Tricolour is intended to symbolise the inclusion and hoped-for union of the people of different traditions on this island, which is now expressed in the Constitution as the entitlement of every person born in Ireland to be part of the Irish nation (regardless of ethnic origin, religion, or political conviction). A green flag with harp was an older symbol, going back to Confederate Ireland and Owen Roe O'Neill in the 1640s, and was subsequently widely adopted by the Irish Volunteers and especially the United Irishmen. A rival organisation, the Orange Order, whose main strength was in the North, and which was exclusively Protestant, was founded in 1795 in memory of King William of Orange and the "glorious revolution" of 1689. Following the 1798 Rebellion which pitted orange against green, the ideal of a later Nationalist generation in the mid-nineteenth century was to make peace between them and, if possible, to found a self-governing Ireland on such peace and union. Irish tricolours were mentioned in 1830 and in 1844, but wide-spread recognition was not accorded the flag until 1848. From March of that year Irish tricolours appeared side by side with French ones at meetings held all over the country to celebrate the revolution that had just taken place in France. In April, Thomas Francis Meagher, the Young Ireland leader, brought a tricolour of Orange, white and green from Paris and presented it to a Dublin meeting. John Mitchel, referring to it, said, "I hope to see that flag one day waving, as our national banner". Although the tricolour was not forgotten as a symbol of hoped-for union and a banner associated with the Young Irelands and revolution, it was little used between 1848 and 1916. Even up to the eve of the Rising in 1916, the green flag held sway. Neither the colours nor the arrangement of these early tricolours were standardised. All of the 1848 tricolours showed green, white and orange, but orange was sometimes put next to the staff, and in at least one flag the order was orange, green and white. In 1850 a flag of green for the Catholics, orange for the Protestants of the Established Church and blue for the Presbyterians was proposed. In 1883 a Parnellite tricolour of yellow, white and green, arranged horizontally, is recorded. Down to modern times yellow has occasionally been used instead of orange, but by this substitution the fundamental symbolism is destroyed. Associated with separatism in the past, flown during the Rising of 1916 and capturing the national imagination as the banner of the new revolutionary Ireland, the tricolour came to be acclaimed throughout the country as the National Flag. It continued to be used officially during the period 1922 - 1937, and in the latter year its position as the National Flag was formally confirmed by the new Constitution, Article 7 of which states: "The national flag is the tricolour of green, white and orange". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Oct 02 - 02:31 PM The other thing about calling it Gold rather than Orange is that it's a lot easier when it comes to finding a rhyme. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: GUEST,Neil Comer Date: 07 Oct 02 - 06:01 PM I am going to get boring now. I attended a lecture some time ago by prominent folklorist Daithí Ó hÓgáin. He claims that the 'green' is not the original Irish colour at all, but that it came from a heraldic blue, which when mixed with the Orange, became Green. If this is true, then the Irish Tricolour contains one part blue, one part white and TWO parts orange ( Oh, my god!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Oct 02 - 06:27 PM Ah, but then you get white light by mixing all the colours of the rainbow... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: Mark Cohen Date: 08 Oct 02 - 12:11 AM So, McGrath, you got something against black light? [insert stupid little smiley face thing here] Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: The Pooka Date: 08 Oct 02 - 12:51 AM Har!! The good stuff you miss when you stay off this here 'Cat for a day. Fionn, why you heretical atheistical irreverential old poop. :) There'll be no questioning of the Revealed Truths here, feller. Careful me boyo; "nobody EVER expects the Spanish Inquisition." As for a "salute to the Vatican", I learned a good one years ago at Georgetown University (Jesuit; Washington D.C.), from fellow-students who, unlike me, had attended Catholic schools before college. MudGuard, yes I saw the funnyface in yer posting. Didyouse not see the tongue-in-cheek in mine? Btw did I mention I flunked German at Georgetown? :0 But I would've thought "Zee" was Dutch. Drink up the Zuyder. Teribus, LOL! hee hee...very good, Cymru. McGrath, up the great Province of NewfoundLAND & LabraDOR! And finally, Dr. Mark, checking in from County Cork, Hawaii - :) :) :) :) :) :) "But the boys who made the history for the Orange White and Green Were the boys that died in Dublin town in 1916." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: GUEST,Marie-Louise Fair Date: 08 Oct 02 - 12:14 PM Dear Fiolar, This has nothing to do with Irish Flags. I came across your posting on the Late Joe Lynch, wonderful singer and actor. As you rightly said "Cottage By The Lee" was one of his biggest hits. Do you remember "If you feel like singing do sing an Irish song" from the famous Walton's programme? "Cottage By The Lee" was written by the same songwriter who wrote the "Isle Of Innisfree", both songs from the fifties. You may be interested to know that I bought a CD titled "Legacy of a Quiet Man" some months ago. The album is a collection of songs by that writer and features the most beautiful version I've heard of "Cottage". The singer is Sinead Stone and I first heard of her and the album on the Late Late Show earlier in the year. Slan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: David Ingerson Date: 08 Oct 02 - 12:32 PM Now we're getting some serious light shed on this topic. White light is a mixture of all the colors, but white pigment (which is presumably what is on the tricolor) is the absence of all colored pigments. And I suppose, Mark (nice to be in touch with you, there, old buddy), that black light is what you would see in a black hole! Seriously, aside from the rhyming reason for "gold", my impression is that there are still a lot of folk who can't stand the idea of orange being in the flag for religious reasons. Too bad. Thanks to the many of you who shared the solid research illuminating this informative thread. David |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: Big Tim Date: 09 Oct 02 - 12:50 PM From an 1848 Monument in the Tipp. village of The Commons, near The Warhouse, ("Widow McCormack's House" where the "revolt" took place.) "In 1848 Thomas Francis Meagher presented the tricolour to the Irish people with the words, 'The white in the centre represents a lasting truce between the orange and the green and I trust that beneath its folds the hands of the Irish Protestant and the Irish Catholic may be clasped in generous and heroic brotherhood'. Here, where according to tradition the tricolour was raised during the 1848 Rebellion, the national flag is flown in commemoration of its origins" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hirish Flag Colors From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 09 Oct 02 - 02:20 PM The Standard of Ireland - which corrected by a Celtic Tiger is now spelled 'Hireland' ( weed an stuff ...)! is Dark Blue with both edge and Harp in the middle of a Golden or Yellow or Orange color! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: Teribus Date: 10 Oct 02 - 04:58 AM "...you get white light by mixing all the colours of the rainbow". No, the above statement confuses colour with light. You get light when all frequencies of the visible spectrum strike the retina of the eye simultaneously. There are two types of colour systems, additative and subtractive. The subtractive system governs the fields of printing, painting, etc, where the perception of colour comes from an external light source striking the surface of the object. The three primary colours are Red, Yellow and Blue. Mix those and you get Black The additative colours system is what computer monitors and TV screens use. This is when the colour source emit the light itself. The three primary colours in the additative system are Red, Green and Blue. In the additative system you get white when these three primary colours are present at 100%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: GUEST,Crazy Eddie Date: 10 Oct 02 - 05:28 AM Teribus "The subtractive system governs the fields of printing, painting, etc, where the perception of colour comes from an external light source striking the surface of the object. The three primary colours are Red, Yellow and Blue. Mix those and you get Black
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: Wolfgang Date: 10 Oct 02 - 05:41 AM Hm, Teribus, I had pondered a split second to make a similar comment as you have and then have decided better not, for the content of that statement (as it was clearly meant) was as correct as you can be. Only the wording was suboptimal (only if) looked at from the point of view of a particular science. In an oral examination on visual perception I'd say 'Could you repeat that and please use the words a tiny bit more precise'. In a conversation among non-specialists I'd think: What he means is correct and fine and the way he says it is fine as well and understood by everyone. So why bother to point out that among specialists the same thought would be expressed with different words? If we start that we can post corrections to each second post. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Oct 02 - 06:19 AM You got the meaning, Wolfgang. I wasn't talking about colours, I was talkig about what they represent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irish Flag Colors From: HuwG Date: 10 Oct 02 - 07:45 AM Take it down from the mast; this was a 1920's song, written when the Civil War (between pro- and anti-treaty factions) was a recent and very bitter memory. The Dubliners have performed it more recently than that (I have a CD in which they did so to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Treaty). |