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Chord Req: tramps & hawkers, ringer/russell vs tra

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Jim Colbert 13 Jan 03 - 03:32 PM
Midchuck 13 Jan 03 - 06:53 PM
bigchuck 13 Jan 03 - 08:42 PM
dick greenhaus 13 Jan 03 - 10:39 PM
Marion 15 Jan 03 - 11:38 AM
dilly daly of Adelaide 29 Aug 09 - 03:46 AM
Art Thieme 29 Aug 09 - 03:14 PM
dilly daly of Adelaide 05 Sep 09 - 02:22 AM
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Subject: Chord Req: tramps & hawkers, ringer/russell vs trad
From: Jim Colbert
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 03:32 PM

Does anyone know if the chord progression/melody for the traditional song Tramps and hawkers are the same used in the version Jim Ringer wrote lyrics to? (Tom Rusell and Dave Alvin have also been known to do this version.)

I'm not familiar with the traditional song's melody and just wondered... I see there are threads to it in the DT but clicking on the sound link gives me a 404 error.

Anyway, anyone familiar with the song?

-jim


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: tramps & hawkers, ringer/russell vs tra
From: Midchuck
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 06:53 PM

I play, and sing, this, but I've never been dead sure what the right chords were. There's a few places where you could stick in a shift to a minor chord, or not, depending on how you wanted the song to "feel."

P.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: tramps & hawkers, ringer/russell vs tra
From: bigchuck
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 08:42 PM

It is the traditional melody, I believe. There has been at leastone other thread about this recently, I think.
Sandy


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: tramps & hawkers, ringer/russell vs tra
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 10:39 PM

Which tradition? It's a great tune, and has been used for literally hundreds of songs. I wouldn't use the same chords for, say "Tramps and Hawkers". "Paddy West" and "Peter Emberly"--same tune, different moods.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: tramps & hawkers, ringer/russell vs tra
From: Marion
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 11:38 AM

Here is the other thread about this melody that Bigchuck probably means: Peter Amberlay story

It's a great tune - I've recently written some words for it myself, and just last week I heard a version of it by late Mudcatter Little John Cameron.

Marion


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: tramps & hawkers, ringer/russell vs tra
From: dilly daly of Adelaide
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 03:46 AM

Does anyone have any suggestions for the chords to the song "tramps and hawkers" ? please.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: tramps & hawkers, ringer/russell vs tra
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 03:14 PM

If you have the tune in your head, it's rather an easy chore to simply know when to change chords----or not to change them. To me it seems fairly easy to do it by ear. But that's always the way I figured out to play any song I ever did.

I did use this fine tune for my version of The Lakes Of Pontchartrain.

(C)It was on the third of January,
I bid (F)Cairo town (C)adieu,
(C)I traveled down the river road
My fortune to renew,(G7)
No (C)money in my pocket,
No (F)credit could I gain,
And my (C)mind it turned with longing toward
The (G7)Lake of Pontchartrain.(C)

That's pretty much it. Just 3 chords unless you want to do it differently. Do it the way it feels correct for what you know musically already. Toss in your own personal cliches -- your own favorite picking or strumming cliches/idiosyncrasies. THEN what you achieve will be in your own style that people will know you by.

I hope this helps!

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: tramps & hawkers, ringer/russell vs tra
From: dilly daly of Adelaide
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 02:22 AM

Art Thieme,
          thanks for your help.I've been searching in the meantime and have found a book of 100 Great Scottish songs with "Tramps and Hawkers " at no 49.They use F and Bb7 throughout.Maybe part of my problem is i'm strumming, my fingerpicking is coming along slowly.Maybe the improvisation good muscicians can bring to songs is the difference.Lioke you say developing the feel is what i need to do better.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: tramps & hawkers, ringer/russell vs tra
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 09:59 PM

A few years back I asked for the chords to "Peter Emberley" (same tune as T&H) only to be told "it's the same as Van Dieman's Land, idiot", which it ain't by me, thanks anyway. Recently I came at the tune again via the "Durham County" coal strike song and found about about the following chords, which work great for me. The part I would never have figured out on my own is going to the V chord on the second beat of the first and fourth lines. I like to get comfy with the I chord for lots of bars let alone beats before risking a change.

O come (C)a' ye (G7)tramps and hawker-(F)lads an' (C)gaither(F)ers o' (C)bla'
That (C)tramp the country (F)roun' and (C)roun', come (F)listen (G7)one and (Am)a'
I'll (C)tell tae ye a (F)rovin' (C)tale, an' (F)places (G7)I hae (Am)been
Far (C)up in(G7)to the snowy (F)north, or (C)sooth by (F)Gretna (C)Green.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: tramps & hawkers, ringer/russell vs tra
From: GUEST,Midchuck on new computer
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 05:12 PM

Here's how I chord the Jim Ringer "Tramps and Hawkers:"

I (D)choose to see (D7)not the (G) things that be,
Or the (A7) miles and (G)years that are (D) gone.
I pay no (D7) heed to to(G)morrow's (D)need,
I'm blinded by (D7)snow and the (G)sun,
'til (D)all I could (D7)see is my (G)darlin' and (D) me,
Like young flowers (D7) bloomin' in (G) spring.
Like (D) flowers we (D7)grew, and no (G) other I knew,
But the (A7) Rose of the (G)San Joa(D)quin.


I used to use a lot of shifts from the G chord to Bm; but decided they weren't needed, and made it sound too artsy.

Peter


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