BS: Good news for a change!

Subject: BS: Good news for a change!
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 01:02 PM

Once in a while nature and people fight back successfully.

Check this out:

The Fall of Monsanto

You may have to cut and paste, because I don't seem to have any luck making the blue clickies.

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: Troll
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 01:13 PM

The clicky worked. Good post.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 01:40 PM

Excellent! Thanks so much for the link. Interesting that they've created monster-killer resistant weeds at the same time we've overdone the antibiotics and anti-bacterial stuff to the point of killer resistant bacteria in humans.

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: gnu
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 01:44 PM

Good on the bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 02:49 PM

Yes indeedy.

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 08:41 PM

I second that!

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 10:44 PM

I have a question for those cheering the demise of this company. Are you happy because a company that used unpleasant and possibly illegal business tactics is collapsing, or because it's a biotech company?

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 11:13 PM

Are you happy because a company that used unpleasant and possibly illegal business tactics is collapsing, or because it's a biotech company?

Some of column A, and some of column B.

A biotech company that uses unpleasant and possibly illegal (and unethical and abusive) business tactics is a dangerous thing indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: Mark Clark
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 12:04 AM

Did anyone else check out the rest of the rense.com site? Or, are others already familiar with the site? It seems to have a lot of conspiracy type material, UFO (Rosewell) stuff and material “proving” that the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is really some sort of off-shore scam.

The site owner, Jeff Rense, evidently has some sort of radio program. I'm guessing it's on the order of Art Bell's though I've never heard it.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 12:31 AM

The story was a few months old, and I haven't heard anything about it on Marketplace, etc., on NPR. It's probably wishful thinking that Monsanto would go away. They have some particularly nasty practices.

Here's one. I couldn't find a link to an earlier article I read several years ago, about a corn farmer and the neighbor's pollen blowing into his fields causing modified corn to be harvested despite his seed having been a normal type. Monsanto got the income from his entire crop, after sending their scientists to tresspass on his land and "test" his corn before taking their case to court. They're really nasty SOB's and they are like Nestle, trying to build dependence on their product by eliminating the natural competition. For shame!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: michaelr
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 01:04 AM

Here's some more good news:

Cloning humans, or any other primates, may be impossible with today's techniques because of a fundamental molecular obstacle, say scientists trying to understand why attempts to clone monkeys have failed.

   From the very first step, cloned primate cells don't divide properly, causing a helter-skelter mix of chromosomes too abnormal for pregnancy to even begin, University of Pittsburgh researchers reported Thursday in the journal Science.

Here's the story.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: DougR
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 02:33 AM

Mark: a program like Art Bells's? Then that would make him immenently qualified wouldn' it?
:>)
DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: mooman
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 06:30 AM

Oh dear! I always use Monsanto examples in lectures concerning genetic engineering and ethics. What will I do now?

moo

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: gnu
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 07:18 AM

Business tactics. Putting farmers out of business the way(s) they did/do is unacceptable.

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: Mark Clark
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 12:53 PM

Doug, Did I get that right? I think Art Bell is the name of a guy with a wee hours radio talk show where people discuss the finer points of alien abductions, men in black, spontaneous human combustion and chupacabra sightings. Maybe I don't have the name right.

N.B.: I sure wish the government would stop lying to us about all that stuff. <g>

      - Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 01:07 PM

Oh well. It felt good while it lasted.

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: GUEST,Forum Lurker
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 01:21 PM

michaelr-Reading the whole article, I find that your rejoicing is a little premature on two counts. First, the problem threatens therapeutic cloning and some forms of assisted reproductive technology. While there is certainly room for debate about the benefits of human cloning, I find it very difficult to argue against regenerative technologies, or techniques that would allow same-sex couples children. Secondly, they're already making progress on ways around the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Good news for a change!
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 11 Apr 03 - 02:42 PM

Oh boy, are there some red faces around here! I got the original Monsanto story from my husband, who is a professor. I am an editor.
You would think that we would have known enough to check our sources!

In any event, we shamefacedly did a search, and found the following three links, which are more credible.

Monsanto Meltdown

Info on Monsanto

More Monsanto Meltdown

Sorry 'bout that -- try those links; I'm off to scourge myself.