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Subject: Lyr/Chords Add: THAT WRONG ROAD AGAIN From: BSeed Date: 05 Aug 98 - 01:42 AM After adding a message to the copyright thread, I decided to try what I described and give a song its first publication. I wrote this a couple of months ago when it looked like the US was about to resume bombing in Iraq. That Wrong Road Again (By Charles Kratz)
(Chorus) (G7)Oh, we're (C)headin' down that (G7)wrong road a-(C)gain
There's this (C)guy across the (C7)water got our (F)captain awful (C)pissed Timing: 4/4 with each chord name in parentheses indicating one measure. The E7 chords are in brackets[ ] to indicate the change is in mid measure. The melody is kind of generic folk, somewhat implied by the harmonic structure. I don't know how to put in MIDI (the directions I saw on some thread or other don't work for me because they were Windows and I'm Mac. --seed |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: BSeed Date: 05 Aug 98 - 01:48 AM Damn it, I thought I had the format figured out: I was hitting command/return at the end of each line, but it still got all run together. Well, I guess the capital letters indicate the beginning of a new line. I'll keep working on it, and when I get it figured out, I'll try again. --seed |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: Roger Himler Date: 05 Aug 98 - 06:06 AM BSeed Just put BR between these brackets <> and you will get an automatic hard-return in HTML.
So you Roger in Baltimore |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: Art Thieme Date: 05 Aug 98 - 10:40 AM Even I eventually learned to do this---thanks to a ton O' patience from Mr. Offer. Art |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: BSeed Date: 05 Aug 98 - 09:40 PM Roger and Art, Thanks. I'll give it a try and post the song again. Now if I could only learn to put the chords on top of the lines in the appropriate positions... --seed |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THAT WRONG ROAD AGAIN From: BSeed Date: 05 Aug 98 - 11:08 PM Here's "That Wrong Road Again," this time with appropriate line breaks (I hope).
(chorus) (G7){two-three} Oh, we're (C)headin' down that (G)wrong road a-(C)gain, (C)
(verse) (to chorus again. I see--after the chorus, over the chords for the second half of the verse--spoken word to the effect that "Starvation is a weapon of mass destruction" and "From the nation that brought the world the blessings of the A-bomb, the H-bomb, the Neutron bomb, the latest nuclear weapon: "depleted" uranium, the gift that keeps on giving--gulf war syndrome, birth defects, childhood cancers..."
Once more through the chorus, repeating the third line with phrases between during the Amin:
"We're going down that wrong road again" --"the brakes are failing" and "out of control" and "look out below" and "someone please stop us" in the manner of "Against the Wind." --seed |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THAT WRONG ROAD AGAIN^^ From: BSeed Date: 06 Aug 98 - 12:01 AM Dammit, I just resubmitted my song, or at least I thought I did: I hit submit messaged, then clicked in the OK box in the warning dialogue box, but it's not on the thread--and I cleared it after I submitted it. I'm going to check again and see if it made it in, then if it didn't, spend another hour doing it all over.
"THAT WRONG ROAD AGAIN"
(chorus) (G7) (two,three)We're (C)going down that (G)wrong road a-(C)gain
(verse) (chorus)
After this chorus, over the chords for the second half of the verse, spoken words to the effect: "We're worried about his weapons of mass destruction? Starvation is a weapon of mass destruction...gives a whole new meaning to the phrase 'women and children first'" and, after a brief pause, "From the nation that brought the world the blessings of the A-bomb, the H-bomb, the N-bomb (doesn't knock down buildings, just kills people--slowly), a new nuclear weapon, and we've already used it: 'depleted' uranium artillery shells--the gift that keeps on giving: Gulf War Syndrome, birth defects, childhood cancer." Once again, each chord in parentheses indicates a measure; the E7 in brackets [E7] is played in the middle of a measure. The tune is generic folk, more or less implied by the harmonic structure. Hope I make it this time. |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: BSeed Date: 06 Aug 98 - 12:03 AM Woops, it made it last time after all: I guess a long posting takes a longer time to appear on the thread. I think I like my second try better, though, so maybe all is for the best.---seed |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: BSeed Date: 06 Aug 98 - 12:08 AM Except the third line of the verse is correct in the first of the pair and wrong in the second.--seed (this is the ninth message on this thread and I've written seven of them. Well, I talk to myself a lot, anyway.--seed |
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Subject: Lyr Add: WE NEED MORE ADMINISTRATORS^^ From: BSeed Date: 07 Aug 98 - 12:28 AM Well, what the hell. A one man thread. I was hoping to attract some other peoople who might submit songs they've written or that they know that are movement-oriented. I began with a peace movement song, but there are lots of movements. For example:< The labor movement. In 1975, the teachers in the Berkeley Unified School District (California) struck when the district threatened to cut salaries, at a time when the district was paying 50K a year in fines because we had too many school administrators. The strike began on the first day of classes in September, and lasted for 21 days before we went into arbitration; we won the arbitration battle but lost the war--at the end of the year the district laid off about 10% of the teachers. But I'm getting ahead of myself. I went to the first strike meeting armed with a new song, written to the tune of "Tramp, Tramp, Tramp, the Boys Are Marching": "WE NEED MORE ADMINISTRATORS"
I'm the sixth assistant paper inventory analyst
First Chorus
Second Chorus
During the strike I escaped the tedium of the picket line as a member of a group called the Board Erasers. We went from school to school riding in the back of a yellow Mazda pickup truck to lead the strikers in singing strike songs. Members of the group and a few other strikers wrote dozens of songs at the time. I wrote about a dozen myself, and if you don't start submitting some of your own, I'm going to add one of my each day until I run out. Then I'll write some more. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: WILD GEESE^^ From: Benjamin Bodhra/nai/ Date: 07 Aug 98 - 03:47 AM Hey seed, Can I sing this can I, huh, huh please. I write songs but they are the good old Irish folk funny songs, plus a few tearjerkers and emotion stirring ballads. I tend not to write political songs except this one when there was the chance of peace in the six counties. WILD GEESE Em Bm BB |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: BSeed Date: 08 Aug 98 - 02:10 AM Benjamin, I posted a response a while ago, just when the forum server went on the blink so my note disappeared into the ozone. Anyway, you're welcome to sing either of my songs. If you publish or record, I'd appreciate my cut; same if anyone who learns one from you. And thanks for adding your song to the thread. The words are stirring, and I like the chord progression. It would be nice to know where the changes take place. I guess if I go through the chords enough the words will fit. I'm aware of the long history of young Irish men dying in other peoples' wars: "Mrs. McGrath" and "Johnny, I Hardly Knew Ye" but I hadn't heard of Ryan's Heroes. I knew about the Lincoln Battalion in the International Brigade. It doesn't surprise me that the Irish were a part of that, too. Do you know any songs about them? (By the way, I made a different mistake in the chords in the verse in each of the two consecutive postings of "Wrong Road": In the fourth line of the verse in the second version, it should be C G C, not C C G; in the first version I omitted the C (measure) at the end of the sixth line. I hope that's clear. ---seed |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: Benjamin Bodhra/nai/ Date: 08 Aug 98 - 11:19 PM seed, Yes I think I worked out the problem just by the sound, Frank Ryan lead a group of Irish in the 5th International Bde. Christy Moore has written a song about it "Viva la Quinca Brigada" and recorded it on his album "Ride On" Sla/n Benjamin |
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Subject: Lyr Add: The Battle of Jarama^^^ From: BSeed Date: 09 Aug 98 - 03:04 AM Benjamin: I hate to quibble (actually I love to quibble), but Quince is 15--the International Brigade was the Fifteenth Brigade (5 is cinco). I didn't know "Viva la Quince Brigada" was Irish (I've heard of it before, but don't know if I've heard it. It's probably on the digitrad.) The Limelighters (an American trio) used to sing "Si Mi Quieres Escriber," another song about the Battle of Jarama where the Fifteenth Brigade fought a terrible battle against the fascists. Survivors of the Lincoln Batallion had a song called "The Battle of Jarama," to the tune of "Red River Valley": There's a valley in Spain called Jarama; It's a place that we all know so well: For 'twas there that we gave of our manhood, Where so many of our brave comrades fell. We remember the Lincoln Batallion, And the fight for Madrid that we made. There we fought like true sons of the people, As a part of the Fifteenth Brigade. Now we're far from that valley of sorrow, But its memory we'll never forget; In the midst of the struggles around us, Let's remember our glorious dead. --seed |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: Benjamin Bodhra/nai/ Date: 09 Aug 98 - 06:59 PM Well I must admit my Spanish isn't up to scratch. In Christy's songbook it says Quinte and 15th but on the album he says quince and what sounds like fifth. BB |
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Subject: Lyr Add: TAKE YOUR FINGER OFF IT From: BSeed Date: 09 Aug 98 - 11:38 PM Nobody since Benjamin a couple of nights ago has posted a song to this thread, so I thought I'd add another song or two: "Take Your Finger off It" (This is an old jug band kind of song I found in a book somewhere years ago: the melody is the same as for Arlo Guthrie's "Alice's Restauraunt" and the Beatles' "Her Majesty." I also heard on a radio program called Doctor Demento a song called "You Let Me Play With Your Yo-yo and I'll Let You Play with Mine" Just for fun, here are the original verses I found in the book. The song is out of the twenties or thirties, so politically correct it ain't:
(G two,three) Take your (C)finger off it and (A)dontcha dare touch it, you (D)know it don't be-[G]long to (C)you.
I got me a woman, lives up on the hill;
You can add other couplets as you please. The verses of "Hey Li-lee, Li-lee" work well.
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Subject: Lyr Add: PUT IT ON THE GROUND From: BSeed Date: 13 Aug 98 - 12:35 AM An old labor song I found in a book, "Put It on the Ground," has a chorus that goes
Put it on the ground
The verses, of course, reflected the employer's point of view. I wrote verses for the aforementioned strike: |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: Beavis Date: 13 Aug 98 - 11:15 PM hmmmm.... movement songs... must've been bowel movements. |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: Pete M Date: 14 Aug 98 - 06:52 AM Benjamin, surely you jest? El quinto regimento and Viva la Quince Brigada are both songs from the Spanish civil war, and both based on Spanish folk tunes. They were certainly not written by Christy, nor are they about any particular nations contingent. The whole point of the fifteenth Brigade was that it was International. Pete M |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Aug 98 - 05:53 AM I'm sure glad I finally checked this thread, Seed. I thought this was a thread about songs with hand motions. Being terminally uncoordinated, I stayed away from it. I'm glad I finally peeked. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: Sir Date: 15 Aug 98 - 10:28 PM "Bread and Roses" was a nice movement song. (No, not Guns and Roses!)
I think "I've Been to Paradise, But I've Never Been to Me" would have been a great movement song if there had been a movement for it. |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: BSeed Date: 16 Aug 98 - 03:39 AM Bread and Roses is a nice movement. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: VIVA LA QUINCE BRIGADA^^^ From: Benjamin Bodhra/nai/ Date: 16 Aug 98 - 09:43 AM Pete The Viva la Quince Brigada that I know was definitely written by Christy about the Irish who served in The International Brigade (not just an Irish brigade I know) and also abbout those Irish who served under France and Hitler and Mussolini.
It starts
10 years before I saw the light of morning Chorus
Bob Hillard was a church of Ireland Pastor |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: Pete M Date: 17 Aug 98 - 01:56 AM Thanks for that Benjamin, I hadn't come across that song before. The version I know was popularized? disseminated? principally by Paul Robeson and Pete Seeger, and I believe it has been adopted as a sort of unofficial regimental march by the veterans of the Lincoln battalion. Both songs I mentioned featured in the film "Mourir a Madrid" . The words and tune are in the database. Pete M |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: Date: 17 Aug 98 - 08:25 PM I can't say....that I know any specific song about bowel movements.
In "Little Big-Man" Dustin Hoffman said that he played the role of a centurian by thinking, "I haven't had a decent bowel movment in 20 years."
On the other hand there are three on diarrhea in the DT data base.....
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: leprechaun Date: 18 Aug 98 - 02:12 AM In my Spanish dictionary y diccionario I found another interesting and relevant definition of "quinta." It can refer to a military draft, or list, or a musical movement. I couldn't find "quinte" anywhere. And "quince" can mean either fifteen or fifteenth. |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: BSeed Date: 20 Aug 98 - 04:07 PM On Agugust 9th and 13th I posted a couple of songs and promised additional verses. These songs were part of the repertoire of "The Board Erasers," the strike band of which I was a member. First, "Take Your Finger off It": Take your finger off it, dontcha dare touch it, you know it don't belong to you. Take your finger off it, dontcha dare touch it, you know it don't belong to you, I may be just a teacher and none too bright, But you won't cut my pay without a helluva fight, Take your finger off it, dontcha dare touch it, you know it don't belong to you. You say you're gonna hafta let some teachers go, You need the funds to expedite your paper flow.* We can see the way you like to use your money power: You hired a man to shake his head for sixty-five bucks an hour. We know that you are demons for a smooth administration, But you don't give a damn about education. You'll see that we'll recall about five board members, Send Wilson+ back to Hempstead by the end of September. *The school board actually used these words as an excuse for shifting money from the educational budget to the administrative. +Wilson, of course, was the superintendent of schools. He had come from Hempstead, New York, with a reputation as a strikebreaker. He stayed another year before heading back to New York. Next, from Aug. 13, "Put It on the Ground" (I wrote these verses about four years ago--our new principal had reorganized Berkeley High's administration, adding four vice-principals and their support staff to the site budget. We were trying to put together a proposal for additional state funds for "restructuring.") We've got another budget crunch, The money's getting tight, Some more vice-principals'll make It all come out all right. Restructuring's the way to go, With money from the state-- We can add administrators, Oh, God, I can hardly wait. I've got forty students in my class, Let's add a dozen more. We can send those awful surplus teachers Marchin' out the door. We'd like to dump the students, too, They're messy and they're loud, But at least they bring in A.D.A.,* So we can tolerate the crowd. *Average Daily Attendancy, the basis on which the state gives money to school districts. Here's part of one more strike song I wrote, and I promise, it's the last one--on this thread, anyway.
"I Don't Know Why God Made School Administrators" (to the tune of "The Wild Side of Life (I Didn't Know God Made Honky-Tonk Angels," or "I'm Thinking Tonight of My Blue-eyes." |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: northfolk Date: 20 Aug 98 - 04:16 PM seed, thanks for your renditions in the Guthrie tradition of Put It On The Ground, I'm passing these on to my son a teacher, who was raised in a home full of music and politics. |
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Subject: WRONG ROAD AGAIN From: GUEST,HEMRICKCK@WEBMAIL.NC,FREEI.NET Date: 08 Feb 00 - 02:44 PM NEED LYRICS TO A SONG RECORDED BY CRYSTAL GAIL,CALLED: HERE I GO,DOWN THAT WRONG ROAD AGAIN. |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: Bill in Alabama Date: 08 Feb 00 - 02:53 PM Hemrick-- Check this site: http://www.roughstock.com/cowpie/cowpie-songs/g/gayle_crystal/wrong_road_again.crd |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: alison Date: 09 Feb 00 - 01:32 AM Hemrick.... I'm glad Bill has directed you towards the lyrics you wanted..... it works easier if you start a new thread rather than add a request onto the end of another, (they tend to get lost.. and people don't always find them) better to start a new thread with the title of the song or whatever you know from it... welcome to mudcat slainte alison
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: Banjer Date: 09 Feb 00 - 06:52 AM Movements.....Constipation.....Mathematicians...???? All this reminds me of the constipated mathematician who worked his problem out with a pencil....! |
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Subject: RE: Movement songs From: GeorgeH Date: 09 Feb 00 - 12:54 PM Like Joe, I'm just glad I finally got round to checking out this thread . . . Especially appreciated the context of the first song (thought as I understand it, the US and Britain have never stopped bombing Iraq, it's just that the strikes have become less frequent and tend to fall off the bottom of the news). . . Here's a little Iraqi story for you . . After the "original" Gulf war a well-known Baghdad artist and weaver produced a large door mat featuring the face of the US president (was that Bush? They all seem the same to me . . ), which was installed at the doors of a large hotel in Baghdad. In the subsequent round of equally-matched conflict between the US, UK and Iraq her house happened to be hit by a cruise missile, killing her, her family, and her neighbours. Definitely an act to win the hearts and minds of the Arab people . . . G. |
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