Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen

Subject: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From: GUEST,Julia
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 07:49 PM

Wondering if anyone might know the answer to a question from an elderly Cornish friend. He said he believes there is a great song about 20,000 Cornishmen marching about something.... ?
Many thanks for any leads
Julia

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 07:52 PM

Hmmmm - could be The Cornish Anthem. Chorus runs along the lines of:

And shall Trelawny live?
And shall Trelawny die?
There's 20,000 Cornishmen shall know the reason why.

Don't know anymore but I am sure there will be a Catter around who knows - it might even be in digitrad.

ZM

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 07:52 PM

That'll be  Song of the Western Men,  I expect.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From: GUEST,Julia
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 08:11 PM

You guys are great! I'll bet this is it- I'll run it by him next time I see him and let you know (his name is Treworgy)
Cheers- Julia

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From: GUEST,Masato
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 08:13 PM

TRELAWNY (Cornish Gaelic) (with midi) is in the DT. HERE is the poem with notes (Representative Poetry Online -- Robert Stephen Hawker: The Song of the Western Men).

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 08:37 PM

Just one caveat; that's a translation into Cornish from the original English language text.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From: GUEST,Julia
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 09:46 PM

Does anyone sing or speak Cornish gaelic anymore?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 10:48 PM

The language has been revived, and a small number of enthusiasts have been bringing up their children to be bi-lingual; there are now, therefore, once again some people for whom it is technically their mother tongue. There is, incidentally, no such thing as "Cornish Gaelic"; the language is Brythonic, not Goidelic, and is closely related to Welsh and Breton.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 09:11 AM

Check out this thread for info on a Cornish speaker & singer - Carrl Myriad of the Ragged Band gets a great wrap from an American fan!!

Carrl is of Cornish descent & learnt his ancestral language as an adult & has received recognition for his service to the Cornish language & culture - an award that translates as Eminent Person if I remember correctly. And he's a good bloke, too, as well as a good performer & friend.

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=50377#764418

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From: Ian
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 09:34 AM

There has recently been a feature length film released with all dialog in cornish. The film company hope to make more films in the future as part of Cornwalls bid to have the language premoted within the UK and EU.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From:
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 06:55 AM

Darzona
Do you have any more info on Cornish language film???
Carrl Myriad

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From: GUEST,Sue Mack
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 11:29 AM

Thanks for the above info & lyrics. The gentleman in question would very much like to hear the song and I have had no luck whatsoever in tracking down a cd. Can anybody direct me to a source where I can buy a recording of "20,000 Marching Cornishmen"? thanks in advance, Sue Mack

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From: greg stephens
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 01:31 PM

As a card-carrying Cornishman from as many generations back as I can trace, I cannot hear the Song of the Western Men without stirrings of patriotic pride.
I am very sad that the language died, but die it did. If anyone wants to learn it at night school and write songs in it, fair play to them. But certain credulous people have been deceived into thinking they are hearing ancient real Cornish folk songs. They aren't. Any "traditon" created by back-translating English language songs into reconstructed Cornish is no more than a bit of fun, and can be fraudulent if it deceives the gullible.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 20,000 marching Cornishmen
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 08:46 PM

Sue, I have a (fairly old) recording by The Yetties on tape that I could copy for you. If you're interested, eMail me at
skw at worldmusic dot de.
Only, you'll have to exert a little patience as I'm going away on holiday tomorrow and won't be back till 18 Aug.