August quiz

Subject: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:20 AM

Double prize. one for the guesser of the overall theme, one for the most correct answers. Possibly of more interest to English quizzers, rather than Irishh, Welsh or Scottish. Not sure about Americans..half and half? To avoid making the theme too obvious too soon, some questions are substantially more confusing than others. Answers to the thread, please.

1:B and O brakeman
2:continuous rotator, till made redundant
3: cajun national anthem composer?
4: wrote about strong drink from a jazzy place
5: filial offspring,with green and yellow problem
6:rode on Hounslow Heath
7:Oh No
8:one of three brothers who drew the short straw
9:guitarist aka Blind Willy Dunn
10: guitarist with a black glove
11: guitarist backing Mezz, Ladnier
12: Gods above protect his widow?
13:apple of Potter Heigham's eye
14:his swan song was "Mary had a little lamb"
15: taught Hertford,hereford and Hamapshire alliteratively
16:Black and Tan fantasist, before elevation to peerage
17: organist, or dance ban leader?
18: his lapstone kept bating
19: married the previosuly married lady in adjoining dwelling(out of place)
20: why did the royalties go to royalty
21: shirt not evidence of nosebleed
22: nine day's wonder of labour history?
23: maid,gardener of linear maids?
24:Freight train woman(fibrous, not alcoholic)
25:sold papers to the Carters
26:sang of three dead fishermen and harbour bar
27:wanted second helping, really shouldn't be here
28: my darling
29: crack went his whip
30:charming, faithful or constant to joyful Mother
31: ragtime fiddling girl?
32: had a small Hawaiian guitar in his hand
33:lamented on London Bridge
34:wouldn't keep his pedal extremities stationary
35: caused maidens to weep, amorously
36: sailed among the crew?(you can take this two ways)
37: last words(kind of) of a dark(ish) lass given to circle dancing
38: to be found down in the woods
39: don't do that( to quote Joyce)
40: Ballad of Jerilderie Jagger
41:why did six pretty maids die all of one night
42: mountaineer, with spotted pig and diminutive Isaac companion

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Ely
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:51 AM

Wild, underinformed guess:
8. Henry Martin? (do they do this in that song?)

Otherwise:
19. Henry the VIII (from the pop song)
23. Mistress Mary, quite contrary
24. Elizabeth Cotten
25. Jimmie Brown the newsboy
42. Sweet Betsey from Pike

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Amos
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:58 AM

27 sounds like Oliver Twist; 33 like Geordie; 34 like Bo Jamgles.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:59 AM

Amos, Ok on Geordie and Oliver Twist, not on Bojangles(might be an answer, but it's not MY answer!)

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:14 AM

5 Lord Randall
6 Dick Turpin and a lawyer
7 John
14 Edison
15 Prof Henry Higgins
17 Ted Heath
20 because of Greensleeves according to Flanders and Swann
23 Mary, Mary quite conttary
24 Elizabeth Cotten
27 Oliver?
28 Clementine
29 Jim the carter lad
31 Ragtime Annie
33 Geordie
34 Geordie, hinny
35 Georgie Porgie
37 Brown Girl in the Ring?
38 Teddy Bears
39 George (dear)

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:18 AM

7 wouldn't be Yo Ko, would it?

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:25 AM

Greg, just out of curiousity, are you wasahing your laundry at the moment?

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:25 AM

Manitas: that's a good run. All right except:
5 Not Lord randall(but it is another version of the same song)
14 not Edison
20 correct, but you need another step to the actual answer
28 not Clementine. Perfectly good answer, but I want another "my darling"
37 Brown Girl in the ring"is the right song, but another step(or leap) is needed to the actual answer

Jeri: sorry, not Yoko. It's John( Manitas got it right).

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:27 AM

2: William Brown
5: 'Enery, my son
6: Bold Turpin Hero
7: John
9: Posibly on of McTell's aliases? (Willie, not Ralph!)
14: Not Sir Paul?
15: Professor Higgins
22: The General Strike (maybe; m,y historys not what it might be)
23: Mary
24: Bugger, I know this!
25: Jimmy Brown (no relation to W above)
27: Oliver Or Oliver!)
28: Clementine
32: The captain (he played as the sip went down)
33: Don't know her name; she was poor, but she was honest, though
34: Geordie
35: Georgie Porgie
38: Teddy bears
39: George (he gets about a bit, doesn't he?)
40: Ned Kelly


Don't know the rest!

Steve

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:28 AM

Edison! Sneaky! Very good!

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:29 AM

Jeri: no. I'm not washing my laundry, I've just been having a smoked mussel sandwich, and fixing up acts for a multi-cultural festival in Stoke.
I still have some clean clothes in the cupboard, and I can still push my way past the dirty clothes in the bathroom to get to the loo, so why would I be washing clothes? Your question intrigues me.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:29 AM

... even if it's not the right answer!

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:31 AM

20 Henry VIII is supposed to have written Greensleeves so the royalties go to royalty
5 Is this My son John.. my currant bun.. oh mother be quick, I want to be sick?
37 She looks like a sugar in the plum?

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:35 AM

steve: some correct. wrong ones are
9 not mcTell
14 nether sir Paul, nor Edison(I like the Edison answer though).
22 not general strike
28 not Clementine...could be, but isnt.
33. Not poor bu honest, but Geordie(like 34). Already answered by Amos.
Well, I'm surprised nobody's got the theme yet, there are enough answers in.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:38 AM

The theme seems to be the names of Kings and Queens of England from William I

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:39 AM

Manitas:
20 Correct on Henry VIII.
5 'Enery My Son, not John or Randall
37 Re:sugar in a plum. You're getting closer, but one more bit of the clue needs using to get the final answer.(I may add this is the clue I made deliberately difficult).

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:40 AM

could 30 be Constant Billy?

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:43 AM

37 Plum Plum

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:48 AM

constant billy is half the answer(you'll see why when you get the theme). "Plum plum" is good, but still not there yet.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:52 AM

Charming billy boy

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:54 AM

I saw the Cotton, shirt, Greensleeves and made an amazing leap of illogic.

I had a couple other answers, but they seem to be equally strange. Like 32: Tiny Tim, and "tra-la-la-la-la" for 37b.
26 is Rogers, although I don't know if you want the first name. I think Stan sang it and I know Garnet did.

If Tiny Tim is right, the quiz is sounding a bit Dickensian, eh?
If it's wrong, everything's normal and I'm doing my usual great job at your quizes.

(And 20 people will have posted before I sent this so it will be redundant.)

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 12:04 PM

Manitas: I've realised I have missed one of your postings.
CONGRATULATIONS
The theme is indeed the kings and queens of England from William I. Which is why I made Q37 so difficult. I also tried to make Q27 a bit hard, but failed to fool Amos and others. Keep going, you can win the prize for most questions right if you persevere, as well!

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 12:08 PM

Jeri, sorry, it's kings and queens, not Dickens! So you'll have a job fitting Tiny Tim in anywhere.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 12:17 PM

APOLOGY WRONG CLUE
Sorry, in a senior memory moment, I wrote clue 4 under the impression Steve Goodman wrote a song called Spirit of New Orleans, Of course, it was actually called City of New Orleans. So my clue was b*ll*x. The answer is Steve Goodman.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Snuffy
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 12:33 PM

As they're all in chronological order, I know all the answers, but haven;t worked out many of the clues yet - have a go at this lot.

1:WILLIAM I
2:WILLIAM II BROWN
3:HENRY I
4:STEVEN GOODMAN
5:HENRY II MY SON
6:RICHARD I (Dick Turpin)
7:JOHN
8:HENRY III MARTIN
9:EDWARD I
10:EDWARD II
11:EDWARD II
12:RICHARD II
13:HENRY IV
14:HENRY V
15:HENRY VI HIGGINS
16:EDWARD IV
17:EDWARD V HEATH
18:RICHARD III
19:HENRY VII (enery the eighth)
20:HENRY VIII (wrote Greensleeevs)
21:EDWARD VI
22:LADY JANE GREY
23:MARY I MARY QUITE CONTRARY
24:ELIZABETH I COTTEN
25:JAMES I JIMMY BROWN THE NEWSBOY
26:CHARLES I
27:OLIVER CROMWELL (TWIST)
28:CHARLES II Charlie is my darling
29:JAMES II (Jim the Carters Lad)
30:WILLIAM III AND MARY II
31:ANNE
32:GEORGE I FORMBY
33:GEORGE II GEORDIE
34:GEORGE III GEORDIE
35:GEORGE IV GEORGY PORGY
36:WILLIAM IV
37:VICTORIA PLUM
38:EDWARD VII (TEDDY BEARS PICNIC)
39:GEORGE V (to quote Joyce Grenfell)
40:EDWARD VIII NED KELLY
41:GEORGE VI
42:ELIZABETH II SWEET BETSY

And I haven't looked anything up, Greg! :-)

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Amos
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 12:55 PM

Wow!

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 01:08 PM

Snuffy:thanks for laying them out,saves me the trouble.
Queen Anne has also been asnwered(Ragtime Annie).
Also William and Mary( Charming/Faithful/Constant Billy alternative names for tune). Though no-one has explained the Mary.

Plenty more to answer,before I calculate the winner. surprised no guitarists have turned up and solved the trio 9/10/11.
It was necessary to set a compex and elusive clue for Victoria, if that had been easy it would have been too simple to guess the theme!

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 01:12 PM

According to my latest calculations, the following have not been answered correctly.
1,3,9,10,11,12,13,14,16,18,21,22,26,28, half of 30,32,36,41

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 01:35 PM

Snuffy got 28 & 32, greg?

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 01:39 PM

30: Seven joys of Mary (the mother of Jesus).

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 01:40 PM

41:
six pretty maids died all of one night,
And all for George Collins' sake

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 01:48 PM

36: from A Sailor's Life

You sailors all, pray tell me true
Does my sweet William sail among your crew?

(I've been trying to get it to be Bold William Taylor and it wouldn't fit!)

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 02:11 PM

21: Edward who killed his brother and told their mother that the blood on his shirt was from his hound.

12: Richard Parker
The Death of Parker

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 02:26 PM

18: Oh me name is Dick Darby I'm a cobbler
....and me lapstone keeps beating away.

22: Lady Jane Grey was queen for nine days- is that all you want?

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 02:26 PM

22 is Queen Jane lay a-dying

as mentioned above 28 is Charlie is my darling

I finally got the Victoria on the bus home as I was wondering if one of the 20th Century kings had Plum as a nickname.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 04:03 PM

Victoria: Plums. Hence the line in the anthem which tells of the queen's love of that self same fruit:
"Send her victorias!"

Nigel

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 05:42 PM

Manitas:send me your address via PM and the theme prize is yours.
I'll add up the scores tomorrrow if all the answers are in. Nice late rush, Noreen.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 08:22 PM

Always one for the late entrance, me....

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 17 Aug 03 - 03:58 AM

Have added up scores so far: seems to be
Steve P 2
Ely 5
Manitas 11
Snuffy 4
Amos 2
Noreen 6
Which means it's still anybody's game, as there are loads of questions unanswered.Here are the ones still untouched
1,3,9,10,11,13,14,16,26. Snuffy's helpful list of kings and queens will give you the necessary first names for the answers.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Snuffy
Date: 17 Aug 03 - 06:23 AM

1. Bill Bailey (won't you please come home)
26. Charles Kingsley (& John Hull) THREE FISHERS

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Snuffy
Date: 17 Aug 03 - 06:36 AM

13 Harry Cox lived at Potter Heigham

Guessing here.......

10 Did Duane Eddy wear a black glove?
3 I don't know the cajun national anthem, but did Henry Clay Work write it?
16 Ned of the Hill was an earl who opposed the English, but I can't see a Black & Tan connection

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 17 Aug 03 - 07:03 AM

Snuffy: Bill Bailey, Charles Kinsgley and Harry Cox all correct.
Henry Clay Work was agreat song writer, but not,I'm afraid, anything to do with the cajun national anthem. You're way off beam with the Black and Tan question. The clue is a bit of a red herring, not all Black and Tans are part of Irish history.
Duane Eddie is not the black-gloved guitarist(he may have been, but not the one I'm looking for).
Keep at it

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 17 Aug 03 - 12:06 PM

oops, again..."Duke" Ellington did "Black and Tan Fantasy," maybe before he was a "Duke".

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 17 Aug 03 - 01:54 PM

3. whoever wrote Jole Blon
9. Eddie Lange
14. Alexander Graham Bell
16. Edward Kennedy Ellington

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 17 Aug 03 - 02:38 PM

Not many left by the time I saw this, and I've just been beaten to Edward "Duke" Ellington, too.

3. Henry Choates (fiddler; wrote Jolie Blonde).

9. Edward Carroll?

14. I suspect Henry Ford.

On a minor point of order, the Kingsley poem was set by John Hullah, not Hull.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 17 Aug 03 - 07:22 PM

If the theme is royalty, I guess we want "King" Oliver on question 9, but he played trumpet (trust me on this one).

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 17 Aug 03 - 07:45 PM

9. I think Blind Willie Dunn was a pseudonym for the ubiquitous guitarist Eddie Lang used when recording with Lonnie Johnson.

Mick

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 17 Aug 03 - 07:46 PM

Sorry didn't read back far enough - pdq has already put that.

Mick

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 17 Aug 03 - 07:50 PM

11. Guitarist Eddie Condon.

Mick

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 02:25 AM

I'm really really surprised nobody has answered 14 correctly. I thought it was the easiest question in the quiz.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 03:38 AM

Greg,all thequestions were easy -- it's the answers that are difficult!

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 03:55 AM

Well, Steve, q14 refers to a swansong. What is a swansong?

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 04:00 AM

14..Hal 9000 in 2001 a space oddyssey.
Giok

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 04:29 AM

Thank you Glok! Correctimundo.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 07:04 AM

Have just had a look, and there are only 2 questions unanswered. Both guitarists, both with Edward as the relevant monarch's name.
Q10 wants a guitarist with a black glove, Q11 a guitarist wants a guitarist who backed Mezz and Ladnier. If someone would obligingly answer these two I can work out who's won, and send of some prizes. i imagine the knowledgable mr Google will help if asked politely(and skillfully).

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 07:17 AM

I've just checked out Eddie Condon. Guest MCP(mick) is perfectly correct, he did play with Mezz Mezzrow and Tommy ladnier, and has the right christian name. I was in fact thinking of the classic recordings of guitarist Teddy Bunn with Mezz and ladnier, but Eddie Condon is just as good an answer, so a point to MCP.
So, only one left,Q10: a guitarist with a black glove, first name Edward(or variant therof).

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Hrothgar
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 07:47 AM

If you included Lady Jane Grey, why didn't you include Queen Matilda?

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 08:04 AM

I do know a couple of songs with Matilda in the title, but frankly I didnt think she was crucial,I thought Stephen would do. Also, I was already trying to disguise Victoria and Oliver a bit, as I didnt want think things too obvious. So I guess matilda's very obvious name and not very crucial place as a monarch made me ignore her. But you're right, it was unfair, I did get William and Mary in, and lady jane Gray, so Matilda did deserve a mention really.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 08:15 AM

Could 10 be Ted Hawkins?

Mick

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 10:38 AM

Eddie Van Halen ?
Giok

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 10:43 AM

And just to be picky: King Stephen spelled his name S-T-E-P-H-E-N, not S-T-E-V-E-N!

Stephen Parkes (with an 'E')

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 11:43 AM

Yes, Ted Hawkins it is for Q10.
That's all the questions answered.
Steve( Stephen): it was Snuffy, that spelt it STEVEN..not a mistake I am likely to make with my surname!
Congratulations everyone, I will count up the scores shortly.

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 06:52 AM

Final scores

Steve Parkes 2
Ely 5
Manitas 12 1/2
Snuffy 7
Amos 2
Noreen 6 1/2
Guest MCP 2
Guest PDQ 2
Malcolm Douglas 1
Glok 1.

Which leaves Manitas undisputed winner by a long way, and he also gets another prize for guessing the theme of the quiz. Prizes on their way to him (and also to Snuffy for a previous quiz, I'm sorry to say I forgot to send him his prize for that).

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 10:42 AM

I take it you didn't get my PM of last week then, with possible answers to all 42 questions? Or were they all wrong??
Giok

Subject: RE: August quiz
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 01:39 PM

Glok: when I added up the scores I only credited you for the one question you answered right before anyone else had answered it. Hwever, following your query I've cross-checked the precise time your PM message came in, and in fact you should have scored 5. The answers were comong in thick and fast and I got the time of your PM wrong. However: 5 points wouldnt have put you top, so it doesnt affect the results. In any case, the instructions were quite clear that answers were to posted to the thread, so I'm afraid you're disqualified.
    Get in quick next time, though, and the prize will undoubtedly be yours. You got some of the obscure ones!!