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The Charladies' Ball [Harry O'Donovan]


bassen 10 Sep 98 - 06:10 PM
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Subject: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: bassen
Date: 10 Sep 98 - 06:10 PM

I heard a song in a pub i Doolin, Ireland in 1976. I can only remember the chorus and little bits of the rest. Anyone who can help me out with this?

There was wine, porter and lemonade Whisky and cocktails and all There was rumbas and tangoes Half steps and fandangoes The night that we danced At the char ladies' ball.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Ewan McV
Date: 10 Sep 98 - 06:57 PM

Dominic Behan recorded the following part of the song on an EP record in about 1962.

At the charladies ball people said one and all "You're the belle of the ball, Mrs Mulligan" We had one steps and two steps, and the devil knows what new steps We swore we would never be dull again We had wine, porter and lemonade We cocktails and cocoa and all We had champagne that night, and we'd real pains next morning The night that we danced at the charladies ball


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: bassen
Date: 10 Sep 98 - 07:14 PM

Thanks Ewan. There must be more out there tho. I remember through a dim haze (6 pints of porter can do that) lines like

There were cowboys and indians came from Drumcondra, Francis Street marys all diamonds and gold

or somesuch.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE CHARLADIES' BALL (O'Donovan/Brennan)
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 10 Sep 98 - 08:20 PM

You may talk of your outings, your picnics and parties,
Your dinners and dances and hoolies and all
But wait till I tell you of the gas we had on
The night that we went to the Charladies' Ball.
I went there as Queen Anne and I went with my man.
He was dressed as a monkey locked up in a cage.
There were pirets and pirots and Hottentots and whatnots
And stars that you'd see on the music hall stage.

CHORUS: At the Charladies' Ball said one and all,
"You're the belle of the ball, Mrs. Mulligan."
We had one-steps and two-steps and the divil knows what new steps.
We swore that we never would be dull again, by dad.
We had wine, porter and Jameson. We had cocoa and all.
We had champagne that night but real pains next morning,
The night that we danced at the Charladies' Ball.

There were cowboys and Indians that came from Drumcondra,
Sweet Francis Street faries all diamonds and stars.
There was one of the Rooneys as the clock over Mooney's
And a telegram boy as a message from Mars.
Mary Moore from the Lots was the Queen of the Scots
With a crown out of Woolworths perched up on her dome.
There was Jemmy Whitehouse came dressed as a lighthouse
And a Camden Street Garbo that should have stayed home.

SECOND CHORUS: At the Charladies' Ball people said one and all,
"You're the belle of the ball, Mrs. Mulligan."
We had one-steps and two-steps and the divil knows what new steps.
We swore that we never would be dull again, be dad.
We had wine porter and Jameson, we had cocktails and cocoa and all.
We had rumbos and tangos, half-sets and fandangos,
The night that we danced at the Charladies' Ball.

Mary Ellen O'Rourke was the Queen of the Dawn.
By one-thirty she looked like a real dirty night.
Mick Farren, the bester, came dressed as a jester.
He burst his balloon and dropped dead at the fright.
Kevin Barr came as Bovril, "Stops that drinking feeling"
Astride of a bottle, pyjamas and all.
But he bumped into Faust, who was gloriously soused
And the two of them were sunk at the end of the hall.

THIRD CHORUS (same as before but with these last 2 lines):
We'd a real stand-up fight but we fell down to supper
The night that we danced at the Charladies' Ball.

From the book, "Songs of Dublin" Edited by Frank Harte. Ossian OMB 74. Frank says it was made famous by Jimmy O'Dea and written for the stage by Harry O'Donovan.

If you like this kind of stuff, try to get hold of Frank's tape "Daybreak and a Candle-end" Faetain SPIN 995. It is extremely good. House of Musical Traditions might have it.

Dominic Behan recorded Charladies' Ball for Selection Records in England in 1958. Folk-Lyric (Baton Rouge, LA)put it on an lp in the early '60s.

HTML line breaks added. --JoeClone, 16-Jun-02.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Sep 98 - 08:47 PM

this kind of reminds me of KELLIGREWS SOIREE. I didn't check it closely to see if it scans perfectly, but could it be that they have the same tune?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Ewan McV
Date: 11 Sep 98 - 03:06 PM

I know what you mean, Joe, but the tunes are very different (at least, on first sight). Killigrew's Soiree is 4/4 with a 'scots snap' or 2/4 with a bounce, depending on how you view it. Charladies Ball is a swinging (or swingeing)Viennese waltz. If you start to think about the way the notes move, and the phrases, they begin to seem rather more similar, but probably because they both come out of a tight music hall style than because one is a rewrite with tempo change.


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Subject: Tune Add: THE CHARLADIES' BALL (O'Donovan/Brennan)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Sep 98 - 04:13 PM

MIDI file: CHARLA~1.MID

Timebase: 192

Name: The Charladies' Ball
Text: By Harry O'Donovan
Copyright: (from "Songs of Dublin," edited by Frank Harte)
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This program is worth the effort of learning it.

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Subject: Lyr Add: THE CHARLADIES' BALL (O'Donovan/Brennan)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Sep 98 - 04:32 PM

Liam's Brother, I hope you don't mind. I reformatted your lyrics and added a few missing words.
-Joe Offer-

THE CHARLADIES' BALL
Harry O'Donovan

You may talk of your outings, your picnics and parties,
Your dinners and dances and hoolies and all
But wait till I tell you of the gas that we had
On the night that we went to the Charladies' Ball.
I went there as Queen Anne and I went with my man.
He was dressed as a monkey locked up in a cage.
There was pirets and pirots and Hottentots and whatnots
And stars that you'd see on the music hall stage.

Chorus:
At the Charladies' Ball people said one and all,
"You're the belle of the ball, Mrs. Mulligan."
We had one-steps and two-steps and the divil knows what new steps.
We swore that we never would be dull again, by dad.
We had wine, porter and Jameson.
We had cocktails and cocoa and all.
We had champagne that night but we’d real pains next morning,
The night that we danced at the Charladies' Ball.

There was cowboys and Indians that came from Drumcondra,
Sweet Francis Street fairies all diamonds and stars.
There was one of the Rooneys as the clock over Mooney's
And a telegram boy as a message from Mars.
Mary Moore from the Lots was the Queen of the Scots
With a crown out of Woolworth’s perched up on her dome.
There was young Jemmy Whitehouse came dressed as a lighthouse
And a Camden Street Garbo that should have stayed home.

Second Chorus:
At the Charladies' Ball people said one and all,
"You're the belle of the ball, Mrs. Mulligan."
We had one-steps and two-steps and the divil knows what new steps.
We swore that we never would be dull again, be dad.
We had wine, porter and Jameson,
We had cocktails and cocoa and all.
We had rumbos and tangos, half-sets and fandangos,
The night that we danced at the Charladies' Ball.

Mary Ellen O'Rourke was the Queen of the Dawn.
By one-thirty she looked like a real dirty night.
Mick Farren, the bester, came dressed as a jester.
He burst his balloon and dropped dead at the fright.
Kevin Barr came as Bovril, "Stops that sinking feeling"
Astride of a bottle, pyjamas and all.
But he bumped into Faust, who was gloriously soused
And the two of them were sunk at the end of the hall.

Third Chorus (same as before but with these last 2 lines):
We'd a real stand-up fight but we fell down to supper
The night that we danced at the Charladies' Ball.


(From "Songs of Dublin," edited by Frank Harte: this song was made famous by Jimmy O’Dea and written by Harry O’Donovan. The song was written for performing on stage, but it has so much that is Dublin in it, that it has been accepted by the tradition.)


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 11 Sep 98 - 05:39 PM

Dear Joe,

Liam's Brother doesn't mind. I have not checked with Liam but, chances are, he doesn't mind either.

How did you make it look so neat and normal?

All the best.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Sep 98 - 06:46 PM

Glad you asked, o Brother of Liam - there's one little fragment of HTML code that's very helpful around here, the line break. Just paste it in at the end (or beginning) of every line, and your lyrics posts will impress all your friends and neighbors. When you get lazy, type your lyrics in a word processor and use the "replace" function to put a line break command instead of every carriage return. HTML commands are always enclosed in angle brackets, and the line break command looks like this:

<br>

Hope that helps.
Joe Offer, the <br> King


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Ewan McV
Date: 13 Sep 98 - 05:47 PM

So that's how linebreaks are done! Sincere thanks

Ewan


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 16 Sep 98 - 11:45 AM

Are "pirets and pirots" the charladies' spelling or pronunciation of "Pierrettes and Pierrots"?


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Sep 98 - 02:29 PM

"Pierrettes and Pierrots"? What are they, Jerry? I gathered they were some sort of fancy French dance step that the charladies were mispronouncing. Did I guess right?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Mountain Dog
Date: 16 Sep 98 - 04:14 PM

Dear Joe Offer,

Had ye attended the Charladies' Ball, would ye have gone as a
-dancer, then? Color me a cur-ious old Mtn. Dog.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 16 Sep 98 - 04:59 PM

Pierrot and Pierrette were characters in pantomime, a kind of comic fantasy show that was popular in England, especially during the Christmas season. I think it went out of style sometime between the world wars. The other main characters I know of were Harlequin and Columbine. They all had distinctive costumes--I think Pierrot's was black and white, with black and white makeup to make him look like he was crying.

Pantomime was based on the Italian commedia dell'arte, via French. I'll bet anyone who knew that fact knew I wouldn't be able to resist passing it on.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 16 Sep 98 - 05:23 PM

Apparently "panto" still exists. The references I've found mostly assume you know what they're talking about, so I got a little frustrated.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 16 Sep 98 - 09:03 PM

It still exists, but it doesn't have Pierrot any more--see this history. Here are some pictures of Pierrot with a little more history. And I'm done (for today).


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 16 Sep 98 - 09:06 PM

No, THESE pictures of Pierrot.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Sep 98 - 01:11 AM

I guess I guessed wrong, huh? Methinks the charladies weren't as unsophisticated as they want us to think they are....
-Joe Offer-

Oh, I know! It was "pirouette" I was thinking of....but then, you knew I knew. But now, I know more.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
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Date: 17 Sep 98 - 04:05 AM

Jerry

I'm sure you're right. Harry O'Donovan, who wrote the song, would have been thinking of pantomime - he and Jimmy O'Dea (for whom Biddy Mulligan was also written) were involved with the Theatre Royal in Dublin for many years. Panto would have been part of the staple diet.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Martin Ryan
Date: 17 Sep 98 - 06:15 AM

That last anonymous posting was mine. Sorry.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: D_hand@hotmail.com
Date: 21 Jan 99 - 11:36 AM

Another song that Jimmy O'Dea sang was 'Half-a-Crown' anyone heard it?

I brought Miss Linda Lee To see a fancy ball The ticket I bought was two and six pence I thought that was all But when she asked for supper You might have knocked me down For all the money i had in the world Was only a half-a-crown.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics: Char ladies' fancy dress ball
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 21 Jan 99 - 12:36 PM

Whaddya mean Jerry apparently Panto stilll exists? It lives and thrives over here, and long it may continue. This is stil the panto season, so get over here and get some in!

Pierrot was a character in the Comedia dell'Arte, desperately in love with Columbine; The English Pierrot and Pierrette were chorus members in the frightfully English End of the Pier Show, without which no seaside pier would have been complete before WWII.

Steve


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Charladies' Ball
From: GUEST,Andy
Date: 14 Jan 08 - 04:47 PM

The Black Family recorded a great rendition of said song, although it could have featured 'Shay' more than Mary!


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