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Sex and Instruments.

Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 20 Dec 03 - 09:05 PM
Ebbie 20 Dec 03 - 09:06 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 20 Dec 03 - 09:08 PM
Amos 20 Dec 03 - 09:09 PM
Clinton Hammond 20 Dec 03 - 09:11 PM
Mudlark 20 Dec 03 - 09:21 PM
Amos 20 Dec 03 - 09:35 PM
GUEST,Ely 20 Dec 03 - 09:48 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 20 Dec 03 - 09:57 PM
Joe Offer 20 Dec 03 - 09:59 PM
Amos 20 Dec 03 - 10:04 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 20 Dec 03 - 10:20 PM
kendall 20 Dec 03 - 10:45 PM
Jeri 20 Dec 03 - 10:53 PM
Ebbie 20 Dec 03 - 11:19 PM
GUEST 20 Dec 03 - 11:22 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 20 Dec 03 - 11:27 PM
Steve Latimer 20 Dec 03 - 11:27 PM
Amos 20 Dec 03 - 11:39 PM
Cluin 21 Dec 03 - 12:51 AM
Bill D 21 Dec 03 - 12:39 PM
Leadfingers 21 Dec 03 - 12:46 PM
Don Firth 21 Dec 03 - 01:58 PM
McGrath of Harlow 21 Dec 03 - 02:06 PM
Amos 21 Dec 03 - 02:12 PM
Peace 21 Dec 03 - 02:23 PM
Don Firth 21 Dec 03 - 02:28 PM
Charley Noble 21 Dec 03 - 02:28 PM
The Fooles Troupe 21 Dec 03 - 03:38 PM
John Hardly 21 Dec 03 - 03:57 PM
Liz the Squeak 21 Dec 03 - 04:34 PM
The Fooles Troupe 21 Dec 03 - 04:44 PM
PapaWhiskey 21 Dec 03 - 04:52 PM
Richard Bridge 21 Dec 03 - 05:02 PM
Liz the Squeak 21 Dec 03 - 05:02 PM
Peace 21 Dec 03 - 05:21 PM
Liz the Squeak 21 Dec 03 - 06:07 PM
Emma B 21 Dec 03 - 06:33 PM
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Joybell 21 Dec 03 - 07:11 PM
Fred Miller 21 Dec 03 - 07:41 PM
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Charley Noble 21 Dec 03 - 08:52 PM
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Subject: Sex and Instruments.
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 09:05 PM

I have never seen any man play a recorder, and i have never seen any woman play a banjo.
waht do you think about this?


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 09:06 PM

A recorder is not too different from a pipe and I've seen many men play them. As for women playing banjo I know quite a few of them.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 09:08 PM

oh.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Amos
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 09:09 PM

I think you have led a sheltered life, John!

A


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 09:11 PM

Ya... What Amos said....


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Mudlark
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 09:21 PM

It's amazing, John, what women are doing out there these days. Drag racing, long haul truck driving, banjo playing, you name it. Times are changing. In years past it was not seemly for a woman to play a banjo,   an instrument considered too crass for her dainty sensibilities. I'm not saying it's right, but that restriction has gone by the boards.

It did used to surprise me, however, that the tiny, delicate mandolin seemed to also fall in this category. All those '70's bluegrass bands, great hulking redneck fellas with fingers like bananas, just wailing on an instrument so small it has to be held high up on their chests...while some guy's wife was thumping away at the back of the group on a string base bigger than she was. What was THAT all about?


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Amos
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 09:35 PM

In general the best advice is to put the instruments down carefully first.


A


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: GUEST,Ely
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 09:48 PM

My dad has played the recorder for years, and the best banjo player I know is a girl (so are some of the best bass players).

Come to think of it, I do know some really massive mandolin-players, too.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 09:57 PM

Yes, instruments do have sex. Especially accordions. I know this because a large number of people refer to them specifically as "fucking accordions". And they're right! Where do you think harmonicas come from?

Bruce


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 09:59 PM

My neighbor Debby McClatchy is a mean banjo player. She tours the UK at least once a year. There's another American woman who plays the banjo, lives in the UK, and is on the list of performers every year at Whitby Folk Week. And if I weren't trying to think of her name, it would come to me right away - Ah, with help of a database, I remembered it was Sara Grey.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Amos
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 10:04 PM

Well, just because she is a banjo player doesn't mean she shouldn't put it down carefully first, Joe!

A


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 10:20 PM

Female banjo players? Allison Brown. 'Nuff said.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: kendall
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 10:45 PM

Debbie McClatchy, Kathy Barton and Sara Grey. All outstanding banjo pickers.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 10:53 PM

A mandolin, on the size beer gut, can look a lot like a large tick. I haven't seen too many female tuba players, but then, I haven't seen too many tubas in folkie settings.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 11:19 PM

I'm trying to think of some instrument- any instrument that is gender specific. Ah. I've thought of one.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 11:22 PM

Whats a dyke?


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 11:27 PM

anyway=maybe is some woman playingf banjos, but i never seen them, [i not saying there isent any,, i just saying i never seen them],
and i seen one woman trumpet player, she in chuma wumba.
i seen another one as well, dont know waht shes called.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 11:27 PM

Murphy Henry is a heck of a banjo picker.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Amos
Date: 20 Dec 03 - 11:39 PM

Actually the first tuba player I ever knew was an English gal named Verna, and she played enthusiastic tuba for an amateur Dixieland band. She was darn good, too!

A


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Cluin
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 12:51 AM

Female banjo player?   Kristin Scott Benson. Saw her this summer at a bluegrass fest. Picked up her CD. Great player!

And Bob Homme, the Friendly Giant played a mean recorder. Grew up watching him on the CBC every day. Theme song for it was "Early One Morning" and it sounded beautiful on recorder.


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Subject: Lyr Add: A WANTON TRICK (from D'Urfey)
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 12:39 PM

A Wanton Trick

Source: Coeur d'Ennui Letchers Guild Songbook Edited by William Coeur du Boeuf;
Thomas D'Urfey's Songs of Wit and Mirth, or Pills to purge Melancholy
Note from Letchers Guild Songbook:
A musical metaphor. PTPM has several more verses that I left out.

If anyone long for a musical song,
Although that his hearing be thick,
The sound that it bears will ravish his ears,
Tis but a wanton trick!

A pleasant young maid on an instrument played,
That knew neither note, nor prick,
She had a good will to live by her skill,
Tis but a wanton trick!

A youth in that art, well seen in his part,
They called him Derbyshire Dick,
Came to her a suitor and would be her tutor,
Tis but a wanton trick!

To run with his bow he was not slow,
His fingers were nimble and quick.
When he played on his bass, he ravised the lass:
Tis but a wanton trick!

He pleased her so well that backwards she fell,
And swoon-ed as though she were sick,
So sweet was his note that up went her coat,
Tis but a wanton trick!

The string of his viol she put to the trial,
Till she had the full length of the stick.
Her white bellied lute, she set to his flute,
Tis but a wanton trick!

Thus she with her lute and he with his flute,
Held every crochet and prick,
She learned at her leisure, but paid for her pleasure,
Tis but a wanton trick!

His viol string burst, her tutor she cursed,
However she played with the stick,
From October to June she was quite out of tune,
Tis but a wanton trick!

And then she repented that e'er she consented,
To have either note or prick,
For learning so well made her belly to swell,
Tis but a wanton trick!

All maids that make trial of a lute or a viol,
Take heed how you handle the stick.
If you like not this order, come try my recorder--
Tis but a wanton trick!


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Leadfingers
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 12:46 PM

Joh9n. What about Peggy Seeger,along with other lady banjo pickers mentioned above and I was in a trio some time back and the other lad played a mean recorder,along with guitar, banjo, and mando cello


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 01:58 PM

Well, lemme see . . . there is a recorder consort that gets together and practices one evening a week at a church about nine blocks from where I live. One man plays a harpsichord, but the rest (about half of the group are men) play recorders of various sizes. I've taken an occasional whack at the recorder myself, but I really stink at it. Still trying to master Twinkle Twinkle, Little Star.

For some reason, not very many people in my immediate klatch of folk-singing friends play 5-string banjo, but the one person who does is a woman. She also plays guitar, Irish harp, hurdy-gurdy, and a medieval viol of some kind. At folk festivals, I've seen quite a few female banjo players (the females are the players, not the banjos).

Is Hull a fairly small place?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 02:06 PM

Can't recall ever seeing a woman playing a trombone. But then you don't see that many trombones around the folk scene.

If Johm's thinking of tenor banjos he might have a point. But five-string banjos, no way. Almost the only people who know how to play them with taste as well as skill seem to be women. (Yeah, there are exceptions.) Especially Joe's neighbour Debby McClatchy.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 02:12 PM

John:

Does the Mudcat name "Banjo Bonnie" ring any bells? Also known as Little Neophyte, she plays excellent banjo.

A


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Peace
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 02:23 PM

I've never had sex with an instrument, well, not a musical instrument. I mean, there is an instrument involved with sex if one chooses to call it that I suppose. I this what y'all call thread creep?


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 02:28 PM

How about sex with an instrumentalist? Does that count?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 02:28 PM

Apparently leading banjo makers such as S.S. Stewart were designing banjos back in the 1890's for momen to play. Check out the Lady Stewart and the American princess models on Mugwumps website:Stewart Banjo Info

These were high quality instruments, somewhat smaller in size to those designed for real men!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 03:38 PM

Bill D

that song reminds me of "My Thing Is My Own" - same source.



GUEST

isn't it something DUth Boys stick their finger in to save everybody else?


Bee-dubya-ell

I'm just a little harmonica,
I want to grow up to be an Accordion,
....

no - I can't even get it to scan...

Robin


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: John Hardly
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 03:57 PM

I keep getting email solicitations for sex instruments...

...like the "jackrabbit vibrator"?

I can't figure out how someone would play old-timey, or even bluegrass music on it though.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 04:34 PM

Of course instruments have sex - what do you think shaky eggs hatch into? And where they come from??!

LTS


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 04:44 PM

I made my own shaky eggs. A few years ago, one of the egg companies started this promo where they put 5 real eggs and one plastic egg in a carton. You put the five eggs in an omlette, and flavoured it with the contents of the little plastic packet in the plastic egg.

I bought a few of these packs. I put different materials in each of the eggs, coarse, fine grains etc. Each one has a different sound quality and tone. Don't put too much in each one, or it just sounds muffled.

This post has nothing to do with sex - sorry!

But I have been told by some ladies that I can make their eggs shake...

Robin


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: PapaWhiskey
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 04:52 PM

I'm a little confused about the subject of the thread. If it's about banjos and recorders, I'm secure enough in my manhood to admit that I play a recorder. I gave the neighborhood kids music lessons using plastic recorders a while back and still have mine. It's a nice little chromatic instrument to keep in hand while browsing through songbooks. If the thread is about sex with instumentalists, well, I never met a female tuba player but I used to date a female trombone player. If you've never kissed a trombone player I highly recommend that you try it.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 05:02 PM

Dolmetsch, arguably (there's the subject for another thread) the finest English (with a name like that there's the subject for another) recorder makers are run by Dr Brian Blood. He is male. I speak not of his gender preferences but I have no reason of mannerism or behaviour to suspect that he might not be heterosexual. He is a very good classical recorder player, strictly in the classical style.

When we went down there to buy Jacqui's medieval pitch descant, (we finished up with a satinwood the sound of which could almost instantly make you cry: just so dolorous) although she was also a good player, the difference between her fiery individual style and his strict one was quite remarkable.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 05:02 PM

I have.... makes you want to take up the sousaphone.....

LTS


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Peace
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 05:21 PM

Well, if instruments don't have sex, we're gonna run out of instruments. Think about it: It's obvious--if there's anything at all to genetics--that violins come from cellos. You just have to look to see that. And 3/4 guitars come from full-sized guitars. And piccolos--which I never could spell--come from flutes and oboes, or something like that. This ain't rocket surgery, folks.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 06:07 PM

Or Brain Science either - Tambourines are what happens when you leave the morris bells in the same bag as the bodhrain.....

LTS


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Emma B
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 06:33 PM

And nobody has mentioned the late Margaret Barry - so I will!


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: GUEST,Big Jim from Jackson
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 06:39 PM

What? No old Hee Haw fans out there?! What about Ronnie Stoneman?   Hee Haw had an all-girl banjo band. One of the members, Cathy Barton, was declared by Roy Acuff to be his favorite banjo picker. You can get several recordings by Cathy Barton and Dave Para through Folk-Legacy records. They are superb!


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Joybell
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 07:11 PM

The question JOhn asked was what did we think about the fact that he had never SEEN these wonders. I predict that if you are very, very good JOhn, and we all send our strongest magic, a big band of lady banjo players and gentlemen recorder players will wake you up early on Christmas morning. Wish I was there to arrange it.
As for the sex bit - the union of a recorder and a banjo would result in something really horrible I imagine. Maybe a skin full of air with a pipe attached and a blowing tube, and a loud voice. OOOH! so that's how they came about!
(I don't actually think they're horrible at all, and some of my best friends play them).


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Fred Miller
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 07:41 PM

I had hopes for the idea. I collect odd gender differences. Like G. Carlin's observation that if you sleep on a couch, and there's a woman in the house, there will be a blanket on you when you wake up.

   Women aren't usually hi-tech audiophiles, but that probably has more to do with showy spending than with sound quality. A man who designs speakers told me he can't price them as cheap as he'd like, because the market wants to pay more.

   I've never met a woman with that peculiar guitar-shop-dude attitude.

   I knew a guy who claimed he could hear a guitar player's race. White guys can't help showing off their chops, he said. He also believed he could "feel" magnetic north, but admitted he'd never fairly tested himself.

   I've unscientifically found that if you ever tell a woman you don't care for something, she will perpetually forget it, and keep pushing it on you. But a guy will tend to make a note of it.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Robin2
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 08:24 PM

Ah gee, women not playing the banjo? Surely you jest! Lily Mae Ledford (The Coon Creek Girls) was playing the banjo back in the 30' and 40's, and her Granddaughter Carrie Norris is carrying on the tradition. One of the finest Appalachian banjo players here in KY I've seen, Debra Jenkins, also plays off and on with my band.

And my daughter plays the trombone, and one of our bass sub-ins is a woman, and I LOVE audio stuff for my computer.

I think sex probably works best for the wind instruments.
After all, harmonica players can both blow AND suck! (can't believe I just said that)


Robin2


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 08:52 PM

Not to mention the Coon Creek Girls from Renfo Valley!

"Little Birdie" has always been one of my favorite songs.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 10:09 PM

I know quite a few men who play the recorder but I don't know why.
Peggy Seeger plays a long neck banjo , brilliant.
eric


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 03 - 10:22 PM

But not during sex.

A


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 22 Dec 03 - 05:18 PM

The frottoir, or Cajun "washboard" or rubboard, comes in male and female models.

This is an all-metal contraption specifically designed to hang around the neck and cover the torso, for use as a percussion instrument -- there's no wooden frame, and no pretense that it would ever be used for laundry purposes.

The for-men-only model is a simple sheet of die-cut corrugated sheet metal; manufacture of the girl's frottoir requires quite a bit more cutting, fitting, spot-welding, etc.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Joybell
Date: 22 Dec 03 - 06:11 PM

Wow! you mean like those horned ladies in Wagnerian opera, PoppaGator? I didn't know you could play those metal bras they wear.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Burke
Date: 22 Dec 03 - 06:33 PM

Sheila Kay Adams was my banjo teacher at Augusta this year. I'm also of the female persuasion & am at least trying to play the banjo.

We had girl who played trombone in my high school band. The director of the orchestra where I now work is a female trobonist as well.

Yeah, there are instruments that tend to be played mostly by men & others by women. There are always exceptions to the general rule, though. Banjos & recorders are not even the first instruments that would come to my mind a mostly played by one sex.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Cruiser
Date: 22 Dec 03 - 06:53 PM

Geewillikers Robin2!

At least you were brave(?) enough to say it. I probably will remember that for awhile with a brief smile the next time I play my harp (no not that kind of harp).


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: wendyg
Date: 22 Dec 03 - 09:45 PM

I can be heard playing banjo on some of the tracks here. Specifically The Lark's March (banjo duet), The False Young Man, and The Gravel Walk.

There are *loads* of female banjo players, so I can only assume you don't get out much.

wg


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Cruiser
Date: 22 Dec 03 - 10:55 PM

wendyg,

I am listnening to your rendition of 'Turning Toward the Morning' as I write this. It is beautiful song, as is your voice.

I listened to all your MP3 files. I enjoyed each one and you give credence to the fact that a woman can be an accomplished banjoist.

Your skills as a musician, both singer & instrumentalist, are admirable. You are in the same league as Ms. Harris and folk music would have missed your contributions if you had (just) "been a country singer".

All your site information was a good read.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: open mike
Date: 22 Dec 03 - 11:08 PM

http://www.alisonbrown.net/
http://www.marymccaslin.com/


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Mark Clark
Date: 22 Dec 03 - 11:55 PM

The first recorder (a tenor) I remember hearing was played by Pete Seeger. I caused my to go out an buy one a couple of eons ago. I learned to play Greensleeves and then quickly lost interest.

I was glad to see someone (Big Jim from Jackson) talk about the women who played banjo on Hee Haw. Ronnie Stoneman was a better banjo player than Roy Clark but all they ever let her do was stand at an ironing board in a house coat and curlers.

And what about Little Neo, AKA Banjo Bonnie? She turned out to be a fine banjo player.

And why is everyone so interested in great big guys with teeny little instruments?

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 12:11 AM

See what you've done now, jOhn? These people are not going to rest until they've listed every woman who has ever lived who can be shown to have played a banjo at some time in her life.

A couple of examples would probably have been perfectly sufficient by way of illustration, but that isn't how things work in threads like this, of course. We can expect a great many more names to come, I have no doubt; but I can promise all female banjo players of my acquaintance (including those now deceased) that I will not betray their trust. They will not be named here by me.

Since I, too, am a little bored and looking for excuses to postpone something more important that I ought to be doing instead, I'll just add the following, absolutely fascinating nugget of information.

My grandmother, although she had ready access to a banjo for some 30 years, never once gave in to any temptation she may have felt to play it. Not only that; she deliberately hid it from her husband, and concealed its existence from her sons (except for my uncle John, who is deaf and therefore immune from banjo-related problems). As soon as she felt I was old enough to understand, she gave it to me (on the grounds that I was the only member of the family who could play it without causing undue distress or injury) but swore me to secrecy; which I faithfully maintained until all danger was past.

I still have it. If I had a daughter, I would want to be sure that she was able to play the banjo, should she ever wish to do such a thing; I would also want to be sure that she was able to kill an assailant with her bare hands. I wouldn't actually want her ever to do either of those things unless compelled by absolutely unavoidable circumstance. On the whole, you get sent to prison for longer when you have killed in self defence than you do for committing unprovoked banjo crimes upon innocent members of the public; somehow that seems terribly unfair.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Beardy
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 06:13 AM

jOhn does indeed live a sheltered life here in Hull, we'll have to take him out more. To begin with I cannot believe he has never seen film/TV footage of Tessie O'Shea of "Two Ton Tessie" fame. Although that may have been a banjolele she played but close enough for folk music.

As for brass instrumentation does anyone remember the Barely Works (1988-1993) who had a female tuba player. Also there is Anna Ryder who does an amazing Bessie Smith song on accordian & trumpet simultaneously.


Stewart


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: fiddler
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 06:14 AM

I feel like sex when I've played well - but perhaps I shouln't confess that!

I Lurve this thread!

Sorry I can't add more erudite thoughts other than the above!

A


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 07:57 AM

From what I gather, there's a lot of time when John9 isn't capable of seeing very much, and as lot of UK folk happens on licensed premises I would expect these to be some of them :-)

Anyway this recent thread seems to be related !


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 10:29 AM

To Joybell, regarding the difference between the Cajun ladies' frottoir and the armor bras featured in Wagnerian opera:

I don't believe those opera costumes feature the requisite corrugation.

Actually, I believe the playing surface (ridged area) is confined to the below-the-boobs zone, at least on the *standard* model. If a player really wanted to tickle herself, of course, there's nothing to prevent her from tapping any area of the breastplate with her thimbled fingertips.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: GUEST,Santa
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 10:39 AM

I think that I can expose to you the truth that Edain plays the trombone. But not in folk clubs.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: GUEST,Kaleb
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 10:47 AM

http://www.racheleddy.com


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 11:14 AM

With his boom-ta-ra-ra, boom-ta-ra-ra, boom-ta-ra-ra-ray
The man who played the big trombone he stole my wife away.
He pushed his long thing in and out - he made her feel so gay,
He really ticked her fancy with his boom-ta-ra-ra-ray.


. . . I suppose a gay woman with the right equipment could manage that.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: breezy
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 11:49 AM

then there's Mary Humphries, or has she been mentioned already?


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: GUEST,Claire
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 12:52 PM

I asked my bandmate about those big guys with tiny mandolins. I figured he was the authority because he is one, with one. He said it is hand strength. It takes a lot of strength to play a mandolin because it has double strings and you have to press both down evenly and firmly to get the right sound. I stuck out my arm and said - oh yeah. After about a second of squeezing, I was convinced. He could have broken my arm, he was so strong and he claimed to be holding back.

About the sex and playing music, there are lots of differences, for one thing sex doesn't last as long, you can't do it with as many people, and you generally don't have an audience.

Claire


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: PageOfCups
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 02:12 PM

I can't speak for stringed instruments, but I know in my high school band instruments were pretty much segregated by sex. Guys as a rule did NOT play woodwinds - saxes were the exception. The one male clarinet player could (and would) kick the *ss of anybody who questioned his manhood. He ended up being the drum major his senior year. Gals as a rule did NOT play brass. We had one girl trombone player (who had a Reputation as a result), one girl trumpet player (who was so low in the section's hierarchy that she was just ignored), and one girl sousaphone player (who weighed exactly twice what her instrument did - she almost sailed away during a particularly windy parade).

From what I've seen, brass=boys, woodwinds=girls is very much the norm in high schools. My question is, where do all the male flutists come from? Were they hiding out in the sax section until after college?

PoC
(former flute player, who is intimidated by banjos and hasn't touched a recorder since college)


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 02:22 PM

Okay, let's admit it... how many people still rosin their bow???


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Joybell
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 04:48 PM

Well my Beau is still pretty good.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Peace
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 05:08 PM

Claire, you're wrong on three counts. Remember Linda Lovelace.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: *daylia*
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 05:42 PM

Well, this article is sure to convince any dried-up doubting crusty old cynics out there that, at least to those of us in the know guitars are sexy!

It's a physical instrument, touch-sensitive, and responds equally well to gently caressing soft minor diminisheds in the moonlight, or being hacked against the frame of an amplifier hanging by a sway bar (see also whammy bar, wang bar, or tailpiece vibrato)...

And then there is touch. I can tell you that hardly anything feels more silky than the neck of a '57 Stratocaster, its varnish worn away by countless barre chords, the slight hollow where the palm cups the higher notes. It positively glows with the warm fibers of its wood, its striations and grains breathing ...

Truly, these are instruments meant to be held, if only in the imaginary music they make as they wait in readiness, the promise of melody and rhythm awaiting their performer ...



*whew*, eh?

daylia


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: GUEST,Guest Again
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 06:28 PM

Good brucie, REAL good! (with a tinge of sarcasm, in case you missed that before, and admittedly, a snicker) :)


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Blowzabella
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 07:03 PM

Sharon Lindo plays trombone (and baroque violin!)


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Mooh
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 07:24 PM

Had the pleasure of carrying Sarah Grey's banjo around a festival a couple of years ago, she was very sweet.

Hilary James sings, plays guitar, double bass, and mandobass by Simon Mayor's side. She's a brave soul, even using my bass (which needs a setup) more than once. Her cds are among my most favourite from any female artist.

I don't care what they play so long as they help haul the gear to and from the gig!

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Jen M
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 08:30 PM

My daughter notes that although most brass is predominately male (although Penn State has a female tuba professor), her instrument-French Horn-is predominately female. Perhaps that's because the French Horn can't make up it's mind whether it's brass or woodwind (plays in both types of quintets and if the brass sits out a concerto odds are the horns will still play) I guess that makes them switch hitters.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 24 Dec 03 - 01:08 PM

Here in New Orleans we have a highly visible (and very good) female trombone player named Sally, stage name Mustang Sally. She always shows up to play jazz funerals in her standard brass-band uniform (white shirt, black trousers, B&W cap). Since she's not only female but also white, she *has* to be a solid musicians to play in that company.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 25 Dec 03 - 02:13 AM

Hey PoppaGator,

I was in New Orleans a few years ago. Saw a band called The Jazz Vipers. They had a female Trombone player from Quebec. Could this have been Sally?


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Margret RoadKnight
Date: 25 Dec 03 - 02:52 AM

Ade Monsbrough (the "father of Australian Jazz") recorded an LP titled "Recorded in Ragtime".
Traditionally only men played the Kora, but West African masters now teach women (studied in The Gambia myself, with Malamini Jobarteh, in '95/'96)


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: GUEST,squeezy
Date: 25 Dec 03 - 06:13 PM

I've always wanted to be in a band with the bra section!


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 25 Dec 03 - 06:35 PM

I am amazed that no-one has mentioned Shirley Collins and her beautifully understated banjo playing that complemented her singing of English traditional songs so perfectly.
And shame on you , Malcolm Douglas for not allowing a daughter of yours - however hypothetical - to emulate such a worthy exemplar of revival singing. Please note that this has been posted after a liberal helping of Grahams LBV!
Happy Boxing Day to all.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Dec 03 - 06:41 PM

No doubt, with a name like squeezy!

Uh, you kinda left the two double ss's offin' brass, huh?
Best ya didn't sign up for band athinkin' there was that section ready to be "filled" or played with.

Glad I could forewarn you afore ya got yer hopes up and signed up.

"Please don't squeeze my Charmin'
Don't hold her so tight
You best heed my warnin'
It's the last one tonight"


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 26 Dec 03 - 05:02 AM

I like both.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 26 Dec 03 - 10:32 AM

In response to Steve's question, "Mustang" Sally (whom I had mentioned earlier as a girl tropmbone player) may or may not have appeared with the N.O. Jazz Vipers when he saw them. I'm slightly familiar with the band and have seen them a couple of times, each time with a few different personnel. Sally wasn't with them on either of those occasions (nor was any other female trombonist), but like any other journeyman (journeyperson?) local brass player, she may well join the group on occasion.

I just realized that we have at least one all-girl brass band in New Orleans, the Pinettes, named after their affiliation with the adult male Pinstripe Brass Band. Their membership includes at least one trombone if not two, a saxophone, couple of trumpets, snare drum, plus two instruments almost always played by men: the big bass drum and the sousaphone (that is, is the familiar marching-band tuba that coils around the player's upper body.)

There are probably even fewer sousaphone players among females than either banjo-pickers or trombone players, doncha think?


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 26 Dec 03 - 12:07 PM

Thanks PoppaGator,

Man, I'm envious of you living there. I spent a week there and heard some of the best music I've ever heard, and I know that I only got the tip of the iceberg. Heck, even if you just hang around Jackson Sqare and Royal Street you can hear some great stuff without even going inside a club.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 26 Dec 03 - 01:20 PM

Hey Steve,

The best thing about living in New Orleans is *never* having to hear mainstream American pop music.

Of course, we do have the same corporate playlist-driven radio as the rest of the country, for those who like that kind of thing. But there's so much live music to hear, plus we have the world's greatest radio station, all-volunteer 24/7 community station WWOZ 90.7 FM.

You can listen from anywhere in the world, if your internet connection is good enough, at www.wwoz.org
. If you don't like what you're hearing at the moment, just wait a while, or check the program schedule posted on the website.

Pops


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 04:16 PM

"Date: 20 Dec 03 - 11:19 PM

I'm trying to think of some instrument- any instrument that is gender specific. Ah. I've thought of one."

Way back there I evidently knew of a gender-specific instrument. Today I have no idea of what I was talking about. I hope I knew then.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Tootler
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 06:06 PM

Going back to the OP, I play recorder and have done so on and off for about 50 years and regularly for the past 25 years.

I belong to the Society of Recorder Players (UK) and while men are in the minority, they are a significant minority. At major recorder events between 1/4 and 1/3 are men.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Jack Campin
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 07:32 PM

I was trying to think what instruments were associated with deviant sexuality, and then it hit me.

Playing the bodhran turns you gay.

If the bodhran players you know haven't already heard this, please tell them immediately.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Smokey.
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 07:52 PM

Some say that french hornists don't like to kiss without fisting at the same time.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Gurney
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 07:59 PM

jOhn has a point, despite there being exceptions and changing times. Most Cello players seem to be girls. Less Double Bass players are, which may be because of the muscle needed to haul it about. Harps also attract the female instrumentalist. In Russia, the Guitar used to be almost exclusively a ladies instrument, I've read.

Female emancipation must be to blame, I reckon:-)


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Acorn4
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 04:36 AM

The harmonica seems to be mainly a male preserve. Most melodeon players seem to be male.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: treewind
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 04:45 AM

"Most Cello players seem to be girls"

Apart from being an individual exception myself, I don't believe
that is generally true. I'd say the cello is a fairly gender neutral instrument, based on recollected observation of orchestral cello sections (but I haven't been to many orchestral concerts recently)

Probably true of the other instruments mentioned above, except that in the folk world the first three double bass players I can think of are Vicki Swan, Laurel Swift and Miranda Sykes...

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 04:48 AM

ignoring the absolutes.

Sir/Rev has hit on a statistical demographic.

If you were phrasing a marketing campaign - this would be relevant.

And maybe ladies have too much respect (statistically) to be seen carrying a banjo. (that, at least, is Man's work).




ducks and runs for cover............


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Acorn4
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 05:58 AM

There are quite a few female banjo players, but they do seem to go for the frailing rather than the Scruggs style.


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 07:23 AM

Barbara Mandrell also used a banjo I believe on her shows? I also seem to recall seeing Dolly Parton with one, but maybe I have that wrong?

Having lifted a banjo up one evening, to pass to the owner who is a friend, I realised why he had the big thick strap he has on it. It was weighty to say the least and I have picked up lighter brass instrunments. I know not all banjo are heavy but his would break your foot easy if it fell on you. Even he only tends to do a couple of songs a time and then puts it down.

mp


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Subject: RE: Sex and Instruments.
From: Midchuck
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 08:22 AM

Here's a photo of a female celebrity playing what appears to be a Collings dreadnought, although the brand name on the headstock is blurred. (You have to scroll down a little.)

Be careful to concentrate on the guitar.

Peter


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