BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock

Subject: BNP in pact with Foreign Devil
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 05:13 AM

Things have come to a very sorry pass indeed when the British National Party has to seek help and advice from a Frenchman! French National Front (is that rhyming slang?!) leader Jean-Marie Le Pen has been meeting the BNP to ... well, I'm not sure wha they were doing, but it's bound to be something I don't approve of. And what sort of Nasty Nazi has a girl's name, for heaven's sake?

(Name & address withheld)

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 06:52 AM

And what sort of Nasty Nazi has a girl's name, for heaven's sake?

I think John Wayne was named Marian. And he was VERY nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: GUEST,Risky Business
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 07:49 AM

Okay GUEST prevaricator, I'm not going to hold out that 'the Duke' was a great thespian, I suspect if you'd call him that he'd punch you out before you could get the dictionary open to the proper page, but 'nasty?' He was the George Sanders of the States.

Must every 'GUEST' be a troll?

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:02 AM

Every Guest a troll, RB? If you believe that, then the neo-fascists will have won!

(Does anybody really believe that sort of nonsense? My nonsense, I mean, not theirs.)

With the Agincourt salute, not the Roman,
Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:37 AM

Hopefully by needing help from France, it shows the lack of support that the BNP have in their own country.

Risky Business probably displays the general level of intelligence of the average BNP supporter.

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:40 AM

Oh dear ... I was hoping we'd be slagging of the NNs, not each other!

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:45 AM

Sometimes it is hard to spot the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: paddymac
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 11:58 PM

Aha, a chance to learn a thing, or two. Stevie, Lad, can you describe the (1) Agincourt salute, and (2) the Roman salute. Enquiring minds really do want to know what kind of digital dexterity might be involved.

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 12:09 AM

The 'V' for victory sign, I should think

Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: dianavan
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 12:55 AM

There are alot of French names that are used for either gender. Are you implying that because a Frenchman has a name such as Michel or Jean Marie that he is effeminate? If so, I think you should tell that in person to a French Canadian - if you have the courage.

Obviously you don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 02:34 AM

I never knew a boy named Sue, but I worked in a sawmill for a guy named Hazel Bry.

Knew a Puerto Rican guitar player named Clothilde, too. In the army.

I can hardly believe this myself, but I was there...

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 02:35 AM

... and a Kootenal Indian named Joe Michel...

why am I telling you all this?

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 04:12 AM

Dianavan: I don't know why you think it's obvious! But no, I wouldn't say it to a French Canadian; I wouldn't normaly say it to a Frenchman, unless I knew him very well. There are a couple of relevant points here: (1) French Canadians are not French, and they're OK by me; (2) making fun of someone's name is a cheap and facile way of making fun of someone, and since he's a neo-fascist I reckon that's justified; (3) the English and French have been enemies since time immemorial, and poking fun at each other is much better than making war, don't you think? (I'm disappointed no red-blooded français(e) hasn't insulted me in return); (4) I can't count.

Paddymac: The Roman salute is that one where you stick your arm out at an angle (unless you're Hitler, when you just do a "hello Mum" sort of wave); the Agincourt salute,as Jim rightly guesses, is the "two digits, rampant" of The Black Fingernail arms. One (totally unprovable) account of its origin is this story: before the Battle of Agincourt the French, in the pre-battle ritual exchange of insults, said they would capture all the English archers and cut off thier bowstring-drawing fingers; after the battle the victorious archers waved their bow fingers at the French prisoners, just to rub it in. (And I know some people say those are not the same fingers you draw a bow with, but try waving any other two fingers, and see which you prefer.)

Now, can we get back to taking the micky out of right-wing extremists, please?

BTW, yesterday's frot-page cartoon in the Guardian: "Thank you, M Le Pen. Now go back where you came from!"

Steve

PS A good tip for Canadians of either persuasion when travelling in Britain is this: tell people you're Canadian, and they'll apologise for thinking you were French or American, even if they haven't been rude to you yet. You'll get on like a house on fire. This works even if you really are French or American, but you'd better be a good liar!

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: Auxiris
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 03:06 PM

I'd like to point out that Jean-Marie Le Pen is of Breton origin and also that Bretons will tell you that they are not French. . .

cheers,

Aux

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: Gareth
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 07:19 PM

Interstingly here in Caephilly we have suffered an outbreak of NF/BNP leaflets.

As this is pre election I quote the Labour Party's reply - (Distribution on Saturday)

A Public Health
Warning !

Leaflets have been distributed recently in Trethomas claiming that the Caerphilly Council have plans to develop land surrounding the BP Filling Station on Newport Road, including plans for compulsory purchase of properties, and that they would be used to house immigrant families.

As soon as these rumours surfaced your local Labour Councilor, Cllr Liz Aldworth, contacted the Caerphilly Council, and they have categorically denied that any such plans exist. They have issued an official statement to refute that anything is under consideration at this site.

Those who distribute such leaflets (there was no name or address on the leaflet) should perhaps in future check with their local Labour Councillors for information before spreading such alarmist and unsubstantiated rumours.

In fact we would go further, cross checking with other Socialist Organisations in Wales and England tells us that this is a "typical" tactic used in advance of elections by extreme right wing parties.

We do not think that there are any residents of Trethomas who would give an inch towards these nasty people – The war memorial is evidence enough of this, and we hope to stamp this out from the start.

Keep the letters, and any envelopes that they may have come in, and tell the Labour Party, or the Police.

For your guidance past experience has shown that the next batch of leaflets may well come under the heading of "Spearhead" or "Forwards Britain".

If you wish to learn more, those who have Internet connection, either at home, or who utilize the library are invited to log into that excellent anti-fascist information source "Searchlight"

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/

Or write to – Searchlight
PO Box 1576, Ilford IG5 0NG

You may be disturbed at what you find, but in honesty we cannot let this piece of mischief pass unchallenged.

Gareth Williams - Editor "Caerphilly Labour News"

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: LadyJean
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 12:40 AM

In French my name is Jeanne. I know, I took it all through high school.

Pat Robertson's name is also Marion, and he's the kind of person who gives scum sucking slimeballs a bad name.

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 01:39 AM

Kootenai Indian, clint? where in North Idaho are you from?

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 01:41 AM

Oh i forgot to say that when I was growing up about once a year the school took us to the Kootenai Indian Reservation so we could listen to the stories from the elders. It was very interesting stuff....

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 03:54 AM

Amergin:

No surprise, Bonner Ferry .

My grandfather moved from Missouri to a farm next to the Mission in 1914. My mother played with the Kootenai kids & still knows most of the tribe, though she doesn't get around much now; she's 95. Some of the young ones come and ask her questions about the old days, because there's no one that old in the tribe now.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 09:42 PM

I was born there in Bonners and use to live right across the street from the Old High School. My grandparents still live there and several cousins and aunts and uncles live in that area as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 01:07 AM

Small world, as we say in the panhandle.

I attended the Old High School, doubtless before your time. Don't remember seeing you, anyhow.

If you'd like to, you can get in touch wiith me at

[e-mail]

I'd be interested in knowing who your relatives are there.

Have we hijacked this thread?

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: steve in ottawa
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 03:27 AM

Off topic rebuttal:
There are alot of French names that are used for either gender. Are you implying that because a Frenchman has a name such as Michel or Jean Marie that he is effeminate? If so, I think you should tell that in person to a French Canadian - if you have the courage.

Being Canadian, it'd almost always be perfectly safe. Either no offense would be taken from the idiot square-head, or there'd be several chances to appologize. Aren't we the only country whose atheletes shake hands after the sporting event? Oh heck. I admit it: I like curling better than hockey.

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: Raedwulf
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 08:53 PM

SteveP - sorry, you post here quite brazenly saying you hate the French & they're a big bunch of girls, but you also want to take piss out of alleged neo-Nazis because you hate them too?

Now what's the difference between the Frog-hating Steve Parkes and the average allegedly Paki/nigger/wog hating BNP member? Cos I can't see it. Your ideology is warped.

R

P.S. Before anyone flames me, I used the 'n' word to make a point, not to be racist, perjorative, or insulting. And I'm no BNP supporter either - I think they're a bunch of tossers, but they don't have a monopoly on spouting garbage, as Mr. Parkes is doing his best to prove!

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 05:17 AM

Ah, but I don't hate the French, Raedwulf! As far as I can tell (if the few French people I've met are a guide) the French are just like the English, but with different funny accents and eating habits. Oh, and we don't have to put up signs telling you not to urinate in the street. Apart from their government and their lorry drivers, I'm quite happy with the French; my brother even has personal friends over there.

But they are our traditional enemies, and I'm very hot on tradition. And of course the Scots have always sided with them against us: what better endorsement that that? As I said earlier, making fun of each other is far better than making war on each other. Of course, it would be unacceptably sexist of me to suggest they are a big bunch of girls: would you accept "a bunch of big girls' blouses"? (Un groupe des chemisiers des filles grandes or Un groupe des chemisiers grands des filles? I'm not sure!) And if we didn't have the French, we'd probably have to start on the Americans: do you think they have the necessary combination of irony and sheer brass neck for that? Wed be at war before you could say "Jacues Robinson"! No, confound ther politics, frustrate their knavish tricks, but I'm all for the French.

Étienne (à mes amis ennemis)

Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Brit Nazis in French collaboration shock
From: Stu
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 05:39 AM

GUEST, Risky Business wrote:

"I'm not going to hold out that 'the Duke' was a great thespian, I suspect if you'd call him that he'd punch you out before you could get the dictionary open to the proper page"

Says it all really.

And Waynes delivery of the line (he plays a centurion, standing at the foot of the cross) in The greatest Story Ever Told "He truly was the son of god" reduces a profound moment of cinema to something that provides one of the best belly-laughs ever on screen. Inspired!