BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant

Subject: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 19 May 04 - 06:43 PM

This is an interesting scientific article entitled "Self-incompatibility triggers programmed cell death in Papaver pollen", by STEVEN G. THOMAS AND VERNONICA E. FRANKLIN-TONG of the School of Biosciences, University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, Birmingham B15 2TT, UK

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This article states:


"Sexual reproduction in many angiosperm plants involves self-incompatibility (SI), which is one of the most important mechanisms to prevent inbreeding. SI is genetically controlled by the S-locus, and involves highly specific interactions during pollination between pollen and the pistil on which it lands. " I definitely had not been aware of this.

Perhaps we should start a song challenge about this...I am not sure. Let me think about it.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Peace
Date: 19 May 04 - 06:52 PM

Ya mean they got plants where they manufacture angiosperm? What WILL they think of next?

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 May 04 - 07:02 PM

Isn't there already a song about this? Called "Pistil-packin' Mamma"?

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 19 May 04 - 07:11 PM

Well, it was a good try. You guys obviously don't have enough to do!! :>)

A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 May 04 - 08:09 PM

My God! Splendid try, Amos. That was the most excruciatingly boring start to a thread that I have ever witnessed! Bruce and Rapaire should be flogged about the tender parts until comatose for posting to this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 May 04 - 10:28 PM

Well, I thought that simply everyone knew what angiosperms were, but I see that they don't. Here's simple information on them:

Angiosperms are plants that flower and form fruits with seeds. The fruit is the matured ovary of a flower. The covered seeds are inside the fruit. These are the dominant land plants in the world.
    What are the common characteristics of these plants? The petals of angiosperms are more developed than gymnosperms (plants with naked seeds). The gamatophytes of these plants such as the embryo sac and pollen are completely dependent on the sporophytes. The seeds are developed from the fusion of sperm nucleus and egg nucleus. The process of fertilization is called double fertilization.
    Class Angiosperm has two subclasses - Monocot and Dicot. They differ in number of cotyledon (seed leaf).

Aren't you glad to know this? Don't you feel empowered, that you have heightened selt-esteem, more masculine or feminine, better looking, more physically fit, in better health, and far more intelligent because you know this? Of course you do.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Bobert
Date: 19 May 04 - 10:51 PM

Well gol danged, Amos... I was just listenin' to the local news and they had a piece about some folks being allergic to themselves..

Man this world is gettin' stranger and stranger by the day...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Peace
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:07 PM

Re. "flogged about the tender parts". Tell me more.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 20 May 04 - 06:28 PM

Being flogged about the tender parts just makes you incompatible!
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: mooman
Date: 20 May 04 - 07:35 PM

I knew there must have been some reason for it Rapaire!

Peace

moo

(PhD botanist)
(with heightened selt-esteem, more masculinity, better looking, more physically fit, in better health, and far more intelligent)

P.S. More about self-incompatibility especially for Amos.

P.P.S More about the latest classification of Angiospermae especially for Rapaire

P.P.P.S. I must go and look at some more plants and take my medicine now...

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: GUEST,anit-botanist
Date: 20 May 04 - 08:57 PM

Well, I know Angio, and he better not be leavin' any sperm around here!

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 20 May 04 - 09:21 PM

You mentioned papaver, as in papaver somniferum? That would be the opium poppy. That explains why opium continues to be a true friend to the drug manufacturers.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Bill D
Date: 20 May 04 - 10:01 PM

angiosperms, (monocots OR dicots)...gymnosperms---who cares? If they have pretty grain, cut 'em down and turn 'em into art, says I. The clever ones will reproduce, no matter what Steve & Veronica say!

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 May 04 - 10:04 PM

When it comes to breeding, I think most of us are pretty self-incompatible. Fortunately.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: paddymac
Date: 21 May 04 - 12:15 AM

As my botany prof used to say (after several beers) - "Well, I'll be - an amphiflowic siphonostele." Maybe ya just had to be there.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 21 May 04 - 04:02 AM

HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Nah, Amos, you missed the point yet again! If you have the word "sperm" in your title (even in such an obscure context) all the green lights start flashing in this testosterone-packed group!

Made me laugh, too, which isn't good for the boredom factor.

Next try something like...nope, gonna try it myself one of these fine days..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 21 May 04 - 06:47 AM

I thought that "Angiosperm Plant" referred to a latin gentleman's testicles.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Peace
Date: 21 May 04 - 07:01 PM

Does this then mean that the expletive expression, "Go f#ck yourself" has no more utility in the language? This could have far-reaching consequences.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 May 04 - 07:25 PM

Consider, please, what it does to rolling doughnuts.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: open mike
Date: 22 May 04 - 02:17 AM

The name 'Avocado' and comes from the Aztec name meaning
'testicle tree'.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 22 May 04 - 02:38 AM

I thought it meant "Place to Hang Lawyers". Musta been an urban legend or a Freudian slip or somethin'...

A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Pied Piper
Date: 22 May 04 - 07:17 AM

Interesting, so Amos you find this fact about the functioning of the natural world boring, that explains a lot.
That's the thing about science, there is a lot you have to learn before you can understand and it takes time and effort. It can't be compressed into a couple of coffee table books like the eclectic dogs dinner that is "New Age" Mysticism.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Pied Piper
Date: 22 May 04 - 07:29 AM

here
Just found this, All the Mudcat Mystics should visit

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 May 04 - 11:47 AM

And I found this site, which for sheer sexuality, brazen bawdiness, and frantic fornication involving "water sports" would be very difficult to better. There are even diagrams, for those who are imaginatively challenged!

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 04 - 11:56 AM

OK, Pied Piper, so I paid $150 for a magnet to put in my shoe; $900 for a machine to remove smoke particles from my place; $55 for some natural vitamins that give me the runs; $240 for a bracelet that will balance my energy and $85 for shampoo that's supposed to make my hair grow back. That aside, you have one fu#kin' nerve calling me gullible.

By the way, the word gullible doesn't appear in the dictionary. Little trivia there for ya.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 04 - 12:00 PM

Gawd, Rapaire, is there no end to your depravity?

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: pdq
Date: 22 May 04 - 12:33 PM

open mike...I lived in a downtown "barrio" for many years. My nextdoor neighbor, who was always plotting on another neighbor's avocatos, used the name "agua cate". He considered the name "avocato" to be a gringo corruption of the name, which means, roughly "water food" of "water delicacy".

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 22 May 04 - 12:54 PM

PP:

The guy who writes that site is a twisted up rasty bastid, innit? I mean he's full of opinions and sweeping condemnations of all kinds of thoughts not aligned with his own. Of course, he is welcome to his viewpoint, but it seems to me off hand that if he had thought things through and was saying what he really thought, after fair analysis, he would not be some bitter about it. Who would want to listen to someone spewing so venomously? What is all that negativity about, man? He should check his flows and get them balanced. Maybe drink some of his own urine, always good for that sort of thing...


A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 04 - 01:29 PM

. . . or I could send him some of mine for $22.95/pint plus P + H.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 22 May 04 - 02:41 PM

ROTFLMAO, brucie!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 04 - 03:21 PM

Hey, Amos. I read the new-age ads. Love 'em. Misspellings and all. They are even supported by 'scientifc' research, so how can a guy go wrong? I am old enough to remember when the banana peel was said to 'get one a mild buzz' back in the '60s. Dry 'em, roll 'em and smoke 'em. It didn't work. They won't catch me with that old trick a seventh time, I can tell ya that.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Bill D
Date: 22 May 04 - 03:25 PM

heck, the most I ever paid was $4.95 for a six-pack--(it SAID beer, but I could tell)

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 May 04 - 06:41 AM

Amos - that song - there are many spermutations

(all puns inteneded)

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 23 May 04 - 09:46 AM

**BG**

A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Cluin
Date: 23 May 04 - 07:23 PM

That's right! Yuck it up, you heartless bastards!

Don't give a thought for the emotional health of these poor flora. Self-rejection has to be the worst. Pity the poor Papavers!

Well, I for one grok your pain, fellow Terran lifeforms! Ich bin ein Angiosperm!

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 23 May 04 - 07:51 PM

LOL, Cluin!! You have just declared yourself to be a pastry shaped like a cloaca, in Angiospermese...

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Cluin
Date: 23 May 04 - 08:09 PM

Then my work here is done, Amos.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 May 04 - 08:11 PM

I find it repugnant that angiosperms have so little self-esteem, are so downtrodden, that they are incompatible even with themselves. They do everything for us, asking only in return a modicum of appreciation, a soupcon of thanks. But no, not one of you has even offered your local maple so much as a cup of water! And after all that angiosperms do for you! Shade! A carpet of rich green! And where would you be if they all went on strike and stopped photosynthesizing for even one day?

Angiosperms, the time has come! Take up your pistils and demonstrate your stamen-a! Rally your fellows, the saprophytes, and seize what is rightfully yours!! You have nothing to lose but your...oh, wait. You're all mobility-challenged. Well, your time will come, for your roots go deep.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 04 - 11:29 PM

Jaysus, Rapaire. They will vote for you. A sequel in the making: "The Day of the Angiosperms". John Wyndam would be proud.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 24 May 04 - 01:05 AM

Dripping with sappy lines, Rapaire's film will be rich with triffid melodrama...and he'll never talk to the little guys he met on the way up again.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: mooman
Date: 24 May 04 - 04:47 AM

Rapaire!

I have nothing but total admiration for your stirring words! To the cause all Angiospermae!(and your allies Gymnospermae, Pteridophytae and Bryophytae will surely support you)

Peace

moo (botanist) (favourite film: Silent Running)

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Mr Happy
Date: 24 May 04 - 07:29 AM

Perhaps the new song could be performed by the up & coming Irish sean nos singer Angie O'Sperm!

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Pied Piper
Date: 24 May 04 - 08:04 AM

Oh contraire Amos me thinks it is thou that is tacking the piss.
Actualy I liked this site cos it made me laugh.
PP

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 May 04 - 09:36 AM

Saprophytes!! You still accept that horseshit they feed you?

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: freda underhill
Date: 24 May 04 - 09:52 AM

have you come across the indonesian species, the gamelanphyte, and the greek variation the sapphophyte? the sapphophyte is unusual, because it is hemaphroditic and doesnt need a male and female plant, there are just the females. And they are very strong and hearty, no diflagellation occurs. Their spores are rounded and self multiply. in fact in some cases they have multiple organisms.

the gamelanphyte on the other hand is quite exotic. It takes about fifteen days before there is a definite difference between the young male and female gamelanphytes. The mature male gamelanphyte usually has around 7-9 cells, each of which is smaller than the mature female gamelanphyte, which typically has 3-4 cells. The spore can remain alive for some time, with the gamelanphyte growing from it, when it disintegrates it makes a tiny, alnost inaudble musical sound.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 24 May 04 - 10:01 AM

Freda,

As the drake said to the duck, you are a real quackup!!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: freda underhill
Date: 24 May 04 - 10:17 AM

quack..

Three men die and go up to heaven. When they get there God says "You can do anything you want. But if you step on a duck there will be consequences." The first man goes on a walk. When he comes home he has a ugly girl with him. The other two asked him what happened. He replied "I stepped on a duck." The next day another man went for a walk. He also came home with a very ugly girl. When asked what happened, he replied "I stepped on a duck." The next day the other man went on a walk. He came home with a very pretty girl. The other two asked what happened. Before he could reply the girl said "I stepped on a duck!"

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: JennyO
Date: 24 May 04 - 10:17 AM

Right now, I reckon that being one of them there sapphophytes would do me just fine.

Jenny

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 24 May 04 - 10:19 AM

What I want to know is, how do ducks get in to Heaven in the first place? Double standard? And why so many? And what happens if a duck steps on a human?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: freda underhill
Date: 24 May 04 - 11:00 AM

In the old days, God always demanded an unblemished animal sacrifice for the remission of sins. That is why there are so many ducks in heaven. Previously, ducks and goats were the most regularly sacrificed creatures. Heaven is full of them. This means that Little Hawk and brucie will be very happy in heaven, they will finally find their goat.
                  
you know, it is easier for a duck to waddle through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich person to get into heaven...

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 24 May 04 - 11:45 AM

Really? Why is that? I mean, Bill and Melissa give millions of dollars every year to people who are helped by it one way or another. Couldn't they get through if they agreed to waddle? I'd give anything to see them waddling together!

How would a duck waddle through the eye of a needle, anyway? Is needle-waddling hard to learn? Hard on the back?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: freda underhill
Date: 24 May 04 - 12:07 PM

well, Amos you know these things are all very inscrutable. I answered your question about ducks and heaven... whether or not its a correct answer, at least its an answer (3 out of ten for trying?!)

maybe i'm a bit of a quackpot. Maybe Mudcat will become Mudquack, Little Hawk is really Little Duck, and the D in Bill D stands for duck.. who knows?

And therefore as a duck give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than ducks...

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Cluin
Date: 24 May 04 - 12:22 PM

Scene: Several ducks surrounding a phone booth.

Duck 1: Quack quack quack quack quack.
Duck 2: Quack quack quack quack quack.

The phone rings. All of the ducks run toward the booth.

Duck 3: Quack.
Duck 4: Quack.

The phone stops ringing, without the ducks answering. The ducks exit the booth.

Duck 5: Quack.
Duck 6: Quack.

The phone rings again. The ducks again run toward the booth.

Duck 1: Quack quack quack.
Duck 3: Quack quack quack.

The phone stops ringing, without the ducks answering again. The ducks exit the booth.

Duck 4: Quack.
Duck 5: Quack.

The phone rings again. All the ducks look at each other, not moving this time.

Duck 17: Okay... I'll get it.

Duck 17 flies to the phone, answers it, then hangs up.

Duck 17: (shrugging) Wrong number.
Duck 7: Quack.
Duck 4: Quack.

A phone repairman drives up and begins working on the telephone. All of the ducks fly away.

Repairman: This booth is full of duck shit!

The phone rings. Suddenly several ducks fly into the phone booth, crapping all over the repairman.

Repairman: (running to car) This is crazy!

He drives off.

The End



Who said ducks aren't funny?


Well, who said it twice?

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 24 May 04 - 12:34 PM

I like your sense of humor, Cluin!! But please don't brush all your ducks off on _me_!! :>)

A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Bill D
Date: 24 May 04 - 07:20 PM

Chicken!

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 May 04 - 07:45 PM

Something just occurred to me.

Way, way back, plants are evolving, thinking up new ways of doing things. One of 'em says to itself, "I think I'll evolve into an angiosperm. Hot damn, here I go!"

And it turns out that that brand new angiosperm has a self-incompatability issue. And there isn't another angiosperm in the whole world.

So, then what? Beans don't evolve. No maple trees. No wheat. All sorts of things don't happen. Eventually, we don't have chocolate cake or pancakes with maple syrup, all because of that one #@#!$*&#@!! angiosperm!

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 24 May 04 - 07:54 PM

Well, Rapaire, since it obviously did not happen that way, you can put your mind at ease while you figure out how it must have actually happened!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: Amos
Date: 24 May 04 - 07:54 PM

Well, Rapaire, since it obviously did not happen that way, you can put your mind at ease while you figure out how it must have actually happened!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-Incompatability in Angiosperm Plant
From: JennyO
Date: 24 May 04 - 11:31 PM

Clever little cartoon, Bill D. Just when I needed a laugh, too. Thanks.

Jenny