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Origin: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copeland)

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GUEST,MC Fat 27 May 04 - 07:03 AM
Morticia 27 May 04 - 07:37 AM
Jim McLean 27 May 04 - 08:16 AM
GUEST,MC Fat 27 May 04 - 08:32 AM
Jim McLean 27 May 04 - 09:16 AM
Scabby Douglas 27 May 04 - 12:47 PM
Morticia 27 May 04 - 01:05 PM
Joe Offer 27 May 04 - 01:39 PM
GUEST 27 May 04 - 03:28 PM
Big Tim 27 May 04 - 04:23 PM
Jim McLean 28 May 04 - 03:50 AM
GUEST,MC Fat 28 May 04 - 05:26 AM
GUEST,Song Searcher 02 Jun 04 - 12:32 AM
Jim McLean 02 Jun 04 - 05:31 AM
GUEST,pattyClink 02 Jun 04 - 10:40 AM
Jim McLean 02 Jun 04 - 01:19 PM
Strupag 02 Jun 04 - 01:33 PM
Jim McLean 02 Jun 04 - 01:38 PM
GUEST,MC Fat 03 Jun 04 - 04:17 AM
Strupag 03 Jun 04 - 08:18 AM
GUEST,MC Fat 04 Jun 04 - 06:35 AM
Jim McLean 04 Jun 04 - 10:39 AM
GUEST,ChasE, Guest 05 Jun 04 - 01:56 PM
GUEST,Looking desperately for sheet music 15 Jan 05 - 02:35 PM
Jim McLean 15 Jan 05 - 03:30 PM
GUEST,R Palmer 05 Jan 06 - 10:38 AM
Ferrara 05 Jan 06 - 12:54 PM
GUEST,Margaret 05 Jan 06 - 05:10 PM
GUEST,Fiery Earth Wolf 24 Jan 06 - 06:35 PM
GUEST 25 Jan 06 - 05:32 PM
GUEST,Fiery Earth Wolf 27 Jan 06 - 06:34 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 27 Jan 06 - 07:07 PM
GUEST 27 Jan 06 - 11:59 PM
GUEST,Fiery Earth Wolf 28 Jan 06 - 12:11 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 30 Jan 06 - 04:46 PM
GUEST,Fiery Earth Wolf 30 Jan 06 - 07:15 PM
GUEST,lefthandluke 06 Feb 06 - 08:10 AM
Jim McLean 06 Feb 06 - 09:18 AM
GUEST 06 Feb 06 - 02:37 PM
Jim McLean 06 Feb 06 - 05:07 PM
GUEST,MC Fat 07 Feb 06 - 07:43 AM
GUEST,rbd@porchlight.ca 08 Feb 06 - 07:03 PM
GUEST,lefthandluke 09 Feb 06 - 07:11 AM
GUEST 25 Feb 09 - 03:50 AM
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GUEST 02 Sep 09 - 04:44 PM
GUEST,regina21 27 Sep 09 - 03:34 PM
Jim McLean 27 Sep 09 - 05:02 PM
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Subject: Question to Jim McLean
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 27 May 04 - 07:03 AM

Jim did you write 'For These are my Mountains' ? A colleague of mine, her granny has died and that was her favourite song. I've just supplied the words from Mudcat for her but doesn't mention you as author, just thought it was one of yours.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean
From: Morticia
Date: 27 May 04 - 07:37 AM

The author is listed as Traditional, he or she wrote a lot of good songs, didn't they?


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean
From: Jim McLean
Date: 27 May 04 - 08:16 AM

Hi MC Fat, no I didn't write it, it was written by Jimmy Copeland, the actor.
Jim McLean


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 27 May 04 - 08:32 AM

Same Jimmy who wrote 'Auntie Bella' ? What other songs did he write ?


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean
From: Jim McLean
Date: 27 May 04 - 09:16 AM

I think there's one called Loch Maree.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean
From: Scabby Douglas
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:47 PM

I never knew that Jimmy Copeland wrote that "For These Are My Mountains".

I regularly sing "Auntie Bella", but I never knew that.

Fancy...

Thanks, Jim.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: Morticia
Date: 27 May 04 - 01:05 PM

Poor man isn't get authors rights on at least one album then, when I tracked the song on Google it was down as TRAD.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 May 04 - 01:39 PM

Songfile.com, the Website of the Harry Fox Agency, attributes the song to "Allan Copeland." My guess is that Allan and Jimmy may well be one and the same person.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: GUEST
Date: 27 May 04 - 03:28 PM

If Jimmy Copeland wrote, Loch Maree, by God thats inventive songwriting (tee hee), cos it's our favourite part of the world, and we are up around that area at least three times a year, for ten years, and have christened the Loch Midge City, my God I thought we were used to them, but BELIEVE ME, be warned if you go there!!!
    Mind you, the view from the far "high end" is STUPENDOUS, and one of the wifes favourites!!!

Anyone else agree??

cheers

Spike

(only 8 weeks 'till we're there again!!)


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: Big Tim
Date: 27 May 04 - 04:23 PM

I was up there last weekend, for the first time: Loch Maree, Loch Broom, Gairloch, Ullapool, Beauly [beau lieu -beautiful place!], etc and yes the scenery is stupendous.

Sadly, I'm not a fan of These Are My Mountains, though Aunt Bella is brilliant!


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: Jim McLean
Date: 28 May 04 - 03:50 AM

I produced an LP years ago with Grant Frazer and one of the songs was These are My Mountains. The credits I gave were Auther/Composer J.Copeland, Publisher Peers Music Ltd.
Jim McLean


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 28 May 04 - 05:26 AM

Is there no record of more of Jimmy's stuff.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: GUEST,Song Searcher
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 12:32 AM

Does anyone have any idea where I'd find the sheet music for "For These are My Mountains"? I'm supposed to sing the song for my grandather's funeral--it was his favorite--but I can't find the sheet music anywhere. Help!!!


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: Jim McLean
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 05:31 AM

Try Biggars.co.uk music shop in Glasgow.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: GUEST,pattyClink
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 10:40 AM

Refreshing the thread, we're on a deadline (no pun intended) here, 'catters! Anybody got the song in a songbook & could scan a page in and zip it to Songsearcher?


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: Jim McLean
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 01:19 PM

I could create a MIDI of the melody and transcribe the words and then email them as attachments if someone PMs me with an email address or directly email me at JawMac@aol.com


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: Strupag
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 01:33 PM

I seem to remember that the song won a competition on either BBC Scoland or STV called "Song for Scotland" in the 70's or is that just my memory palying tricks again?
Glad you like the North West of Scotland folks. Although I'm now based in Skye I'm from Ullapool and cover the whole area as part of my job.
My favourite mountain is Suilven, pronounced "soolivan". It's about 25 miles north of Ullapool on the Lochinver road.
Anyway, back to the song; The Alexander Brothers did it on one of their LPs.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THESE ARE MY MOUNTAINS (J Copeland)
From: Jim McLean
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 01:38 PM

PS. You can find the words and melody at http://ingeb.org/songs/forfamea.html

THESE ARE MY MOUNTAINS by J Copeland Publisher Peers Music Ltd

1.For fame and for fortune,
I wandered the earth
And now I've come back to
This land of my birth
I've brought back my treasures
But only to find
They're less than the pleasures
I first left behind

For these are my mountains, And this is my glen
The braes of my childhood, Will know me again
No land's ever claimed me, Tho'far I did roam
For these are my mountains, And I'm going home.

2.The burn by the road sings,
at my going by
The whaup o'er the head wings
With welcoming cry
The loch where the scart flies
At last I can see
Its here where my heart lies
It's here I'll be free
Chorus

3.Kind faces will greet me
And welcome me in
And how they will greet me
My ain kith and kin
This night round the ingle
Old songs will be sung
At last I'll be hearing
My ain mother tongue.

Chorus


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 04:17 AM

Strupag it's ages since I've heard that word it's gaelic for a cup of tea isn't it ? Would you like a wee strupag ?


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: Strupag
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 08:18 AM

Hi MCF
It is indeed! When I used to live in Ullapool, I did a sunday morning radio programme on Lochbroom FM called the "Sunday Strupag" and the name kind of stuck.
Cuillin FM are going to start up shortly but the lady in charge will not have Sunday programmes at the moment so it will be a Tuesday Night Strupag. Doesn't have the same ring to it though. Any suggestions?
To digress and veer back towards the thread, the words are none to apt up here where the London gent,who considers himself to be chief of the Clan MacLeod, decided that the whole Cuillin mountain range was his and put them up for sale for around £9 million.
There was a feeble challenge against him but the government did a shady deal with him.
To be fair though, there's no problem with access to the vast majority of Scottish mountains so who cares who owns them!


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 06:35 AM

Perhaps Jim can update the song with this in mind eh Jim?


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: Jim McLean
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 10:39 AM

I believe it would be unethical of me to alter a song as new as this. People tend to alter my songs because they think they are either trad or have learned incorrectly from somebody.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mounta
From: GUEST,ChasE, Guest
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 01:56 PM

Thanks to you Jim, Jimmy Copeland will be properly acknowledged on the programme for our upcoming Summer concert next week at St Augustine's Catholic Church in High Wycombe, Bucks. The area is noted for its rolling Chilterns hills, but we'll have your mountains in mind when our male voice choir give their rendering of 'These Are My Mountains'. BTW, the concert is on Friday 11th June, doors opening at about 6:30pm.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mounta
From: GUEST,Looking desperately for sheet music
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 02:35 PM

Hello there,

I too am also trying to find the sheet music to this wonderful favourite song of my great grandmother. Did you ever find it and if so, where did you get it. I was hoping to sing it next Wednesday but so far I have looked everywhere in Montreal Canada and on the web and have come up unsuccessful.

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: Jim McLean
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 03:30 PM

I have just submitted an enquiry for sheet music at www.biggars.co.uk and await the result. You could, of course, try it yourself which may be a wee bit quicker.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: GUEST,R Palmer
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 10:38 AM

I know this is an old thread but I thought you might be interested in the similarities with Chariotts of Fire theme credited to Vangelis and the faster tempo tune to For These are My Mountains - try sinmging the words to the slower Chariotts tune

Cheers


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mounta
From: Ferrara
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 12:54 PM

First time I've seen this thread.

In 1968 a friend and I quit our jobs with IBM and went on a 3 month trip across the pond. Started in the British Isles, among other things we took a train (we had BritRail Passes & Eurail passes) to Scotland and rented a car to drive to Skye.

I was always on the lookout for folk music and dance events. After we visited Blair Atholl Castle, we drove into Pitlochry and I saw a sign for a folk music evening. Could, but won't, tell lovely stories about the friendly people of Pitlochry and how we found a room.... The relevant thing here is that the last song of the evening was "These Are My Mountains." It was announced that the song had just won the above mentioned contest as the best new Scottish folk song. The entire audience sang along. Lovely. Since then I've always loved it.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: GUEST,Margaret
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 05:10 PM

Bruce Millers in Aberdeen have the sheet music. Jim Mclean is correct with the credits. Jim Copland (note his name is actually spelt without the "e" even though the credits use Copland) lives in Aberdeen.


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copeland)
From: GUEST,Fiery Earth Wolf
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 06:35 PM

If I were to make my own recording of this song, would I need to get in touch with Jim Copeland and ask permission, or would simply crediting the lyrics to him be enough? I am currently putting ideas together for my first album, and I am trying to find songs that are meaningful, but can be used either free, or very inexpensive and I do not want to rip anyone off.


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copelan
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 05:32 PM

Fiery, if you are going to sell the album then you need to make royalty arrangements with whoever handles the rights to the songs of ANY living authors, and quite a few dead ones. Copyright now extends 75 yrs past the author's death. Usually you don't work directly with the composer/lyricist, but with the Fox Agency or BMI or ASCAP.

If I'm not mistaken, a demo disc or an album you would just pass out free to friends and fans would not require the royalties be paid or permission granted. Is this right?


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copeland)
From: GUEST,Fiery Earth Wolf
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 06:34 PM

Thanks for the info mate. Just I would really like to know if it's in the public domain. Obviuosly I would credit the lyrics to jim, but its gonna be mostly traditional/PD stuff on the album, with my own kinda variations. I really don't know much about copyright, have tried looking at copyright websites but they are all double dutch to me. what is the Fox Agency, BMI ASCAP? Are they recording agencies? I don't want to go through an agency, I wanna do it off my own back as I have never produced a CD befor ein my life.


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copeland)
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 07:07 PM

I would say it is NOT puhlic domain as it wouldn't be 75 years after the writer's death.


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copelan
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 11:59 PM

Okay, slick, here's the deal, and now you can stop batting your eyes and claiming you're exempt from copyright laws cause you don't feel like fooling with it.

When you or anyone else write a song, poem, book, or play, YOU OWN IT.   You don't have to file for copyright or put magical notices on it, you own it. You hold legal title to it like a deed, and you control all commercial use of it (recordings, airplay, and paid-ticket concerts) during your entire lifetime and 75 years thereafter without your express permission. Unless you specifically declare to the world that it is public domain and you want everyone to do whatever they want with it. (sometimes people donate songs to the world in that way but not very often).   

So unless you can get Jim to say to you "geez, mate, I actually put that into the public domain in '93", then IT'S NOT! And in order that Jim or whoever doesn't have to spend 3 days a week negotiating credit arrangements and 6 cent per disc royalties with every tom dick and harry, he allows the Harry Fox Agency or whoever administer it. They used to let publishers do it directly but they come and go like the wind so now they have these big hairy agencies. It's no big deal, you sign up for however many copies you plan to make and pay x cents a copy or whatever.

If you're hell bent on not dealing with it, fine. Record stuff you write yourself or ancient stuff where there are no pesky authors holding copyright. If you still want to use the work of 20th century composers/lyricists then quit trying to weasel out of what you need to do just cause you just don't feel like compensating somebody for their stuff.


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copeland)
From: GUEST,Fiery Earth Wolf
Date: 28 Jan 06 - 12:11 PM

Eh, what the hell is your problem? In no way did I say I was exempy from copyright laws! I clearly said I didn't want to rip anyone off, and I was merely enquiring if it was in the public domain. I don't know the first thing about copyright, and you jump down my throat because I was actually TRYING to find out more about it, rather than just say I don't give a fuck and go ahead and do it. I think you should be encouraging new musicians rather than scaring them away. THis is the first few tiems Ive posted on Mudcat, and I can say it will be the last if their are people like you going about...

...oh, and DONT CALL ME SLICK!!!!


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copeland)
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 04:46 PM

Please ignore GUEST postings when they give no name. Just don't bother. Unfortunately there are ALWAYS going to be someone who reacts negatively to anyone's postings. Sorry about that. I hope your questions were answered by the other queries.

Basically, the song was written in the late 1960s. Even if the author had died the very next day, it still hasn't been 75 years since then so it wouldn't be in Public Domain. Therefore you must deal with licencing the song. It's only pennies per CD.


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copeland)
From: GUEST,Fiery Earth Wolf
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 07:15 PM

Thanks George. Yeah I think every forum has its arseholes. Really want to get this done without ripping anyone off, so I will look into this. I emailed malinky the other day regarding "My Ain Countrie (the Sun Rises Bright in France)" and get a nice reply back from Steve Byrne who also gave me some great links with advice for getting copyright, and for getting permission. Even wished me luck!!


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copelan
From: GUEST,lefthandluke
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 08:10 AM

Just curious,

Is this the same JC that wrote poems like "The junior cup final", "Theresa" and "King Howl"?

Luke


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copeland)
From: Jim McLean
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 09:18 AM

I don't know the answer to that as I've never heard any of them.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE JUNIOR'S CUP FINAL (Jimmy Copeland)
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 02:37 PM

Jimmy Copeland Poems
I first heard the poem The junior cup final told by Ed Miller From Edingburgh, now Austin, Texas, back in the 70's, when he gigged in our Folkclub de Plus in Groningen, Holland....
From a website called the scribblers sanctuary i learnt that the poems originally appeared in the book The Shoogly Table, now out of print.
(but maybe his is a new thread?)
THE JUNIOR'S CUP FINAL   by Jimmy Copeland

The day of the Junior's Cup Final
Is a day I will never forget
For the other side's goalie was famous
He had never let one past him yet!

And on me all my team were dependin'
As the striker to lead the attack
For our manager said -- nae defendin'
Jist get in therr an' nae haudin' back!

From the kick-off I tore down the middle
An' my wingers baith matched me wi' speed
Then I passed it oot left frae a dribble
An' he lobbed -- an' I nodded ma heid!

One-Nil -- that was just the beginnin'
I knew then that vict'ry was mine
There was never no doubt who was winnin'
By the half I had nodded in nine!

But I must hand it out to our wingers
They had that poor goalie near deid
The pair o' them fair went thir dingers
When they lobbed -- I jist nodded ma heid!

That goalie was full of dejection
For we kept on increasin' our lead
He aye dived in the other direction
As I nodded it in wi' ma heid!

At the whistle that goalie was greetin'
He never had no chance at all
Twenty goals is how much he was beaten
All by me and my noddin' the ball!

Well, I met that poor goalie next mornin'
And I hoped he would not make a fuss
So I gave him a nod in the passin'
And he went and dived under a bus!!!


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copeland)
From: Jim McLean
Date: 06 Feb 06 - 05:07 PM

I didn't know that poem but I knew the joke it was based on. Willie Thornton was the famous 'header' but I don't remember who the goalie was. The story was that after a famous victory when Willie headed in a few gaols, he met the goalie in the street and nodded to him and Jimmy's poem tells the punch line.


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copeland)
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 07:43 AM

This is bizarre my uncle Norrie played in the Junior Cup Final for the Vale of Leven in 1954 !!! More Jimmy Copeland please.


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copeland)
From: GUEST,rbd@porchlight.ca
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 07:03 PM

I would certainly like to buy sheet music for ' These Are My Mountains '. Is it available for buying?


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Subject: RE: Origins: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copelan
From: GUEST,lefthandluke
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 07:11 AM

Seems to me a good idea to start a new thread on Jimmy Copeland, the poet....(or rather, funny standuppish scots poetry?)


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 09 - 03:50 AM

Jimmy Copland's sport is rugby so I wouldn't think he wrote the poem.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: Gramrugby
Date: 04 Mar 09 - 11:54 AM

I think the Jimmy Copland you are referring to was my father. Unfortunately he died last year. For These Are My Mountains was his song.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 04:44 PM

I seem to remember this was an entry in a competition on STV for a song for Scotland, sung by Peter mallan. Came second to some now forgotton song sung by a girl called Bernadette


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: GUEST,regina21
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 03:34 PM

Can you please put me in touch with Gramrubgy - Son of Jimmy Copeland, or else give me the name and address of a music store where I can obtain the music For These Are My Mountains. I have the words but i really want to have the piano music. THanks. regina 21


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: Jim McLean
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 05:02 PM

Try Kerr's Music Corporation Limited 79 Berkeley Street Glasgow: Telephone 0141 221 6805.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 06:04 AM

I have the original single by Peter Mallan of These Are My Mountains.
It came out in 1966. I have now put it on Youtube.
Actor/songwriter Jimmy Copeland`s son is successful Scottish actor James Cosmo.


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Subject: RE: Question to Jim McLean-For These Are My Mountains
From: meself
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 08:41 AM

Which of course begs the question: are "successful Scottish actor James Cosmo" and poster "Gramrugby" of '04 (five posts up) one and the same?


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Subject: RE: Origin: These Are My Mountains (Jimmy Copeland)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Nov 13 - 06:58 PM

what is a scart I can't find it anywhere
Phil Wilson


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