sigma guitars

Subject: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Allison
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 07:42 AM

has anyone here heard of sigma guitars?.any idea of sound.quality,playability etc?.i saw a pic of one the other day and drooled over it,a dr 41.can theese guitars be purchased in the uk/ireland?any help greatly appreciated.
                                        ALLISON.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 07:53 AM

Allison

Back in the 60s Sigma Guitars were highly regarded in NZ - but that doesn't mean much. Tone etc was fine... Can;t help you on current availabilty in the UK - but would bui one - ikey probabbly cost a few quid now,,,,

Cheers - Sam

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 07:57 AM

Martin bought out the old Levin Guitars (Sweden) and carried on making Guitars there for a while under the name Sigma . A mate has one that works very well , though perhaps not up to the higher range Martins , a perfectly workmanlike instrument .

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 07:58 AM

Mumble...

Sigma was an offshoot of Martin or Gibson from what I recall - someone will sort it out,,,]

LOL - Sam

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 08:01 AM

Thanks Leadfinger!!!!!! - Sam

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: early
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 08:22 AM

sigma guitars are still available in the uk - sound control in Leeds stock quite a few- the earlier models were made in the far east but assembled by Martin trained techs also the early ones were made from martin parts and were the marquis range at a higher quality - a pal has a very early one and it comes close to martin quality in sound and playabilty and IMHO they are better than some of the budget martins currently available

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: HiHo_Silver
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 08:39 AM

Sigma Guitars were distributed by Martin and varied in construction from low end with laminated tops to high end solid wood such as the sigma 41 and 45 models. Thes were excellent guitars and I sold a good number of them in my store. I found them quite comparable to even the Martin in tone and quality. Hope this helps a little.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Den
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 08:25 AM

I bought one in 1980. It was the model that was copied off the Martin D12. I liked it a lot. It was well built and had a nice tone. A friend of mine had a real D12. The only big difference I could discern between the two guitars was the Martin had a richer tone on the lower strings.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 12:36 PM

About 15 years ago I bought a Sigma, modelled on one of the smaller-bodied Martins, and it has served me very well ever since. Its tone, volume, playability and intonation are better than a number of more expensive instruments that I have played over the years.

I believe Sigmas were (perhaps still are?) made in Taiwan, but to Martin specifications, and using Martin-supplied tools. Of course, their sound is not as rich and subtle as you can get from a well-aged Martin, but how many of us play well enough to deserve one of those? If you can get hold of a good Sigma, Allison, grab it with both hands.

Wassail!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: RichM
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 02:44 PM

Have a look at this site:
Blueridge Guitars

This is a fine line of guitars, equivalent in sound to others costing 3 times as much. Two of my friends who are long time bluegrass pickers, have bought these, and use them instead of their martins...

Rich

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: kendall
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 03:36 PM

I've never met a Sigma that I liked. Looking for a good low priced guitar? Larrivee.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jul 04 - 03:09 AM

Sigma were the official Martin budget line.

Here in the UK you can probably get a used Sigma DM2 for about £120, DM4 about £200 - both streets better than any new guitar at the price, with quite a fair impersonation of the ringing Martin sound.

I refurbished a DM4 for my daughter with a shadow pickup and a fishman preamp and it is nice. I have told her if she ever decides to sell it I will give her £500 for it.

A very basic L'Arrivee will cost you about £500. A top of the range one, about £2,000. I don't call that "low priced"

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: kendall
Date: 27 Jul 04 - 07:30 AM

EVERYTHING is relative. The question is, how low can you go in price before you hit poor quality? Yamaha makes some pretty good low end guitars.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Allison
Date: 27 Jul 04 - 10:28 AM

thanks for all the advice guys...............i am getting me a dr 41..........it is the perfect guitar in my book......http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/SigmaDR-41.html

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,kate
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 10:53 AM

i have a sigma SG-9, the label inside says Gotenborg sweden. also it says guaranteed by levin.

also it says the cf martin organisation (not Co. as i have seen on others.)

I don't know anything about this guitar but i would like to, so if anyone could help, i will really appriciate it.

thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 11:27 AM

Kate:

See up above. What questions do you have?

A

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 02:10 PM

Well, Kate, it looks like that one was probably made by Levin for Martin before Levin went bust, but I never heard of any such thing, so maybe it is a complete fraud...

DR 41 will probably be rosewood sides, likely laminated,

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Dharmabum
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 02:50 PM

I've recently acquired an old Sigma.
Made in Japan so I'm guessing 70's.
There are very small traces of the serial number left but not enough to read,so nailing it down to a year is pretty slim that way.
On the center strip is burned/printed "SIGMA GUITARS Made in Japan for C.F.MARTIN & CO."
The model # is a DM 3.At least I'm about 90% shure it's a 3.
Anyone here know if & when Sigma made a DM 3?

I haven't done an in depth search on the subject yet,but so far I haven't found any info on a DM 3.

This guitar was offered to me as a "parts" guitar for ten bucks.
It was stripped of all it's hardware & had spent the last 15 years of it's life sitting in a barn. Luckily,it appears that some of that time must have been in a case.
Once I cleaned off years of dirt & grime,I discovered I'd actually purchased a good solid instrument with an amazingly straight neck.

It's got plenty of character in the way of nicks/dings/scratches,but once I rounded up & installed the necessary hardware,she came back to life with a very sweet voice.

This Sigma never was & never will be a high end guitar,but I'm real happy with this old ten dollar "beater".

   DB.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SirGalihad
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 10:50 PM

Dharmabum...Check out e-bay....there are several DM3's being auctioned today.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,kate
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 06:52 PM

re: sigma SG-9

Amos - i suppose i wanted to know how old it is, if it is genuine and anything else anyone could tell me about it.

Richard - thanks...I hope it is a genuine model. I'll just keep looking for a record of this model number.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Spikeis
Date: 17 Aug 04 - 06:40 AM

For my twopennyworth, I AM the owner of the 25 year old Sigma that Early was refering to earlier, and having just had it refretted, new bone nut and bridge done by a VERY VERY competent luthier, who looks after some VERY VERY top class instruments, the result is that a) he wants mine, and has wanted an EARLY Sigma for a few years, b) he has copied the dimensions exactly to reproduce one, and c) we find out that it has a centimeter and a half LONGER neck than the Martin!!
This apparently accounts for the huge volume from the beast, but he also agrees that there's bugger all difference in the sound of mine to a Martin. As a matter of fact, I use 11 gauge martin sp phospher strings on mine, other wise if I used any heavier gauge, I woudn't be able to hear myself singing!!
I have so far over 25yrs resisted the temptation to buy a Martin!!!
cheers
Spike

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,joannes
Date: 18 Aug 04 - 12:09 AM

Same story. I bought my Sigma in 1980. Played it with joy over the years. But didn't think it was so special, regarding the money I payed back then. So my kids played it (sitting on it and all). And than I brought it to a repairer who tuned it, refretted it, cleaned it, and fell in love with it. This guy ownes a Sigma himself and was delighted to be able to restore mine. Now I am very carefull with it. Since then I've been playing other guitars. My Sigma only got beaten by some of the more expensive Martin's!
Buy one and play it, you won't be dissapointed.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: English Jon
Date: 18 Aug 04 - 03:00 PM

Some of them are great, some of them are dogs...same with all guitars I guess, but if it looks right and sounds right then go for it.

Talk to john at thrift music in frinton if you want good advice on Martins/sigma/levins etc. He's knows more about martin family instruments than just about anyone.

cheers,
Jon

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Aug 04 - 04:21 PM

I love my Sigma, have had several offers to buy.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,phil
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 05:38 PM

i have a Sigma DR-28 which if Im not mistaken looks (and sounds) virtually like a Martin D-28. It says made in Japan by Sigma for C.F Martin Co., but i have no idea how old it is. My guess from what i can gather is early 80's.

It has the rosewood back and sides, but one tech told me that the backs and sides could be solid as well as the top. He really had a high praise for these jap knock-offs.

The wood has had a chance to age nicely, and when i heard it in the music store, it took the gold medal as far as sound goes. A loud/projecting sound. Bang for buck was a no brainer. The Japanese ones if you can find a good one will sound very nice. Change the bridge saddle to a Tusq or bone one, and use some good strings, and you will be amazed.

Subject: RE: blueridge guitars
From: GUEST,cb
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 11:11 AM

These are great quality for the money.

Blueridge Reviews


has reviews of the BR160 and 140 models.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 03:24 PM

i have a dr41 sigma guitar but an not sure of the year it was made.i would be grateful if anyone could help here.the serial # is 50317218.the sticker inside says prepared and inspected by martin &co ,made in taiwan.does this mean it is better than the recent sigmas made in korea?it is a beautiful guitar with a lovely bell like tone.any help appreciated.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 11:50 AM

I have a "sigma d m 3" made for martin in the eary 70s in absloultley mint cond. with extra martin strings and original case. Any one know its value. I want to sell it

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 12:24 PM

The sigma D M 3 guitar i have was made in korea for c.f.martin co. and the serial number is 258440 with extra set of martin made strings and original case and every thing in cluding case is MINT condition. Near as i understand was made about 1970 but not sure. Any one interested in buying it contact me thru my email [e-mail]........thanks bob bruce

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jmac
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 07:17 AM

I own an early 70's DM-5 and it is one of the most played instruments in my arsenal ('39 Epi archtop, '69 D18, '89 J45).
Well built, easy to play, and has a huge sound, especially with Elixir medium gauge strings.
Best bang for the buck in my opinion....
jmac

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: spikeis
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 08:06 AM

Well I am soooooooooooo pleased to hear from so many closet Siggy ownwers, this is the most I've heard of ANYWHERE!!
I do think however that Sigma have done themselves NO favours with the later ones, but as I said in my earlier posting the one I have kicks the hell out of ALL but very top end stuff, and most of my friends own said top end stuff!!

Keep on Sigging!!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Gary
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 04:43 PM

I have a Sigma DM-18. It is stamped Made in Japan by Sigma for C.F.Martin and Co. Serial number S 42319. I purchased it new in 1981. I have no idea when it was made. It is the best tonal acoustic I have ever owned.

I read somewhere once that Martin started building Sigmas in 1970. I forget exactly when they started in Japan; however I do remember that they moved the Japanese operation to Taiwan in 1984. The article said the quality suffered with the move. I played a couple of the Taiwanese Sigmas. They fall extremely short of the Japanese built ones.

I haven't payed any attention to the model numbers, years they were built, etc.; but if you find out when/where it was built, and it was built in Japan, I'm sure you'll be happy with it.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: PoppaGator
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 06:00 PM

GUEST jmac, if you weren't a "guest," I'd PM you on this:

As a fellow 1969 D-18 owner, I'm curious -- do you like your early 70's DM-5 *better* than your slightly-older Martin, or do you just consider it "better bang for the buck" than the more valuable item?

I'm pretty fond of my one-and-only guitar but I realize that it's less than perfect, in that it could sound a tad brighter on the high end.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,steele
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 02:48 AM

I have a Japanese Sigma OM-18, #826272. It has a solid top, but I think the sides are ply. Bought it for $175.00 several years ago to travel around the hippie festivals with, so it's taken a far share of abuse, humidity/temp stress and so forth. I have always considered it a fair guitar, not outstanding in any particular area, but well rounded. It is pretty loud. Currently needs neck adjustment and new strings. Any guesses on what it's really worth?

I was going to sell it to get a more road worthy electric accoustic, but after reading this thread I think I'm going to fix it up and keep it a while more.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 02:04 PM

A couple of days back there was a Sigma D28 on ebay (UK) ie www.ebay.co.uk - may still be there. It is nicely described.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,r chew
Date: 07 Sep 04 - 12:17 PM

i have a sigma dr-28h which i bought in 1996 in singapore.
it says, made in taiwan, prepared and inspected by the c f martin & co.
if you own a similar dr-28h and made in taiwan, i would like your view on how well this model is doing for you.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Pat Cooksey
Date: 07 Sep 04 - 06:15 PM

I have an old Levin and a Sigma 12 years old. I use the Sigma which
has a Martin Pickup for gig's, which everone say's sounds good, but
accoustic the Levin sounds better.
Does anyone know how much a Levin Jumbo circa 1965 is worth.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,GUEST,T Render
Date: 07 Sep 04 - 06:46 PM

I owned an early 80's Sigma dr-35. It was stolen however, I have been on the lookout for any older Sigma dreadnaught, models Dr-18, Dr-28, DR-28H (herringbone bindings), another DR-35 or the DR-41 ever since. These were all solid spruce top replica's of the Martin dreadnaught line and the top axes of the Sigma line as well. The main difference I could see between the two (martin and sigma)was the composition of the finish. The sigma finish seemed to be heaver and tougher and not as apt to check in the cold and considerably more durable at the price of less resonance with the top. Other than that, I think they were identical to the martin counterpart except in price and re-saleability. As of this post, I cannot difinitvely say back and sides are solid or ply however, happy days are here again.
I finally found a DR-18 that some guy sat upon and broke the neck block or at least somewhere near that area. The back also started to "pop" out of it's binding at the area where the neck meets the body. Ma The guitar is in rough shape and is going to require extensive repairs, however I'm hoping it was not put together with exoxy or something that won't soften up with heat. It is also the perfect excuse to grind off all that heavy finish that made most Sigma's bulletproof and try to allow the top to resonate like it's american counterpart.
I have also had the experience of playing some of Sigma's lesser line such as the DM-3 and found the plywood top Sigma's were pretty much a beginner's guitar and not really suited to more experienced players and no amount of re-work will ever make them better.

Anyone having any experience in repairing Sigma's I would be most interested in hearing your findings on how easy they come apart.
Thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Matt
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 03:29 PM

WHATS SHAKIN,

I was just curious if anyone knew what a GCS-2 Sigma woulod be worth now, I think it was made in '87 but I could be wrong

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Hand-Pulled Boy
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:04 PM

I have owned a Levin LR18 1965 since 1970 and no one will ever buy it off me whatever the price! Good luck with your Sigma.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,T. Render
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 01:53 AM

Thought I'd leave an update on the busted Sigma. I since found out this busted sigma was somewhat considered a write off. The top was broken along both sides of the neck block and considered a fatal break aside from replacing the top.
Not to be swayed and what to hell..."nothing ventured nothing gained" so away I went with my wife's steam iron in my hand and a piece of clean rag. Since the back had become unglued at the neck block, I decided to remove the back to better see the "fatal wound".
After applying lots of heat,( lesson #1...don't get your iron too hot!It discolors the laquer.)I was able to get the back off with no damage to the kerfing. Applying water to the inside seam with a syringe helped considerably. Sure enough, the lower side of the top was broken right through and the upper side of the neck block was broken as well. To compound things, one of the cracks extended right under the neck block and was inaccessable without removing the neck/fingerboard.
Gently pulling the neck of the guitar in a lateral motion, I was able to get the broken top back into it's original position and set it with a couple small dabs of superglue. The upper brace had also broken away from the top.
After several hours of pondering the problem ( I have too much time on my hands), I finally decided that the only way to regain integrity was to "extend" the portion of neck block to include more top area. My reasoning was that 99% of the guitars sound comes from the larger body area near the bridge, I may be able to distribute some of the neck pressure across a larger area of the top with minimum ill effects to the sound. A strip of spruce top reinforcement had to be shortened to accomodate the "wings" I was about to add to the neck block. The "wings were made out of a piece of pine similar to doorstop material. It was sanded into 2 pieces about 3/8 " thick, 3/4"wide and approx 2.5 " long. these were glued to the neck block and the top at the same time with the 3/4 inch side on the inside of the top. Next I had to secure the main brace to the top again. To give it some added strength, I cut two small triangular pieces to repair the cracks extending down to the sound hole. These were made from a piece of eastern white cedar which was split down to approx 1/16" thickness, then sanded smooth then glued cross-grained to the underside of the top once again. Two pieces were used to ensure access to the truss rod adjustment but 1 piece could have worked as well.
Satisfied I had done all I could to keep the neck from moving, I turned my attention to the rest of the guitar. I was right about it being bulletproof. As a side note, this sigma had a mahogany plywood back and sides and was not given the designate DR-18. I still think the Dr-18,28,35,& I can't remember a 41 or 42 all had the solid back and sides as well as solid top.
Anyhow I digress....the glue job was sloppy with drips left all over the place, the gause support at the cross brace junction was extremely large and extended down on to the bridge plate. The bracing was pretty much standard martin braces and don't spare the glue. A support was placed down the center of the top like a running cleat to avoid the top from ever splitting or cracking. The bridgeplate was made from rosewood plywood once again dripping with glue when it was applied originally. This will never do so I took my trusty knife and proceded to cut away any cheesecloth support that was in contact with the top or bridgeplate and cleaned any large drips of glue that was visible. Then with a dremel tool I proceeded to scallop the braces into something like a cross between the old pre-war martins and thier more modern design.I took out a considerable amount of wood all the while wondering am I doing the right thing. I had some examples of pre-war martins and current bracing patterns but I had to adapt the slightly different brace style in my scallops to fit the newer style of brace. Satisfied that I had taken all I dared to out of the braces, I turned my attention to the bridge plate. Well, fools walk where wise men fear to tread and I was jogging pretty good so out came the dremel again with the sanding drum and on to the bridge plate. I didn't think it should be glued to the X braces as well as the top so the whole bridge plate got a bevel job except for the strip where the strings poke through. I left a piece untouched about 1.5"wide along the whole length of the bridge plate directly under where the bridge glues on. Whoops....the grinder hit the center support cleat that run the whole length of the top. And then it hit it again. I own a guitar made by luthier Marc Beneteau and it don't have those cleats so off they come.A little hand sanding along the braces to skinny them a little more and it's time to replace the back before I go too far...if I havn't already. Ok...back is glued on but I still am not satisfied with the resonance to guitar makes when the top is lightly tapped with my fingers around the bridge. Time to get rid of that glossy plastic finish. I get my sanding block and see it has a used piece of #80 grit sandpaper in it. Now it took a real act of courage to take a perfectly good looking guitar and run a piece of sandpaper across it. I closed my eyes and decided to scuff the top once so I couldn't chicken out. As the sanding block hit the top of the guitar, it was very much like hitting a piece of window glass. I opened my eyes and looked in amazement at the tiny little scratch this sandpaper left on the guitar face. With a renewed vigor I attacked the top once again only this time with my eyes open. It was like trying to sand lexan or plexiglass. About an hour later and a couple sheets of sandpaper I managed to take off about 2 cups of plastic off the front of the guitar. Tapping the top once again, success, the guitar was starting to sound like a drum and not a block of wood. With a renewed enthusiam but still guarded that this thing was not going to fold up after I put the strings on it, I went at the back of the guitar. I think I got about 2 cups of shavings off it as well. A small increase in the resonance was noticed but not near as dramatic as when the top was done.
Off to town I go to get new strings and hope this thing works out. After all, I've put quite a few hours cutting, sanding, glueing etc.
By my calculations, the strings are going to be way too high to play comfortably and the slot in the bridge don't appear to be deep enough for me although I don't have a spec to how close the saddle should be to the actual guitar top itself. This one looks like the slot is cut too shallow in the bridge. Oh well I can't wait I'll shave the bone down to get the correct height and maybe after
i get a spec someplace I'll modify as needed. The neck releif looks pretty good so time to string it up and see how it sounds.

I am happy to report that the guitar does not go out of tune, is still holding (3 days now)and I am tickled pink with the tonal response and volume. Not very much bass ( I'm used to rosewood bodys)but very well balanced all the way up to the 14 fret. It is very much like playing a new guitar and over the last 3 days the tone has improved noticeably as well. I'm sure it would fool the most passionate D-18 fan into thinking it was the "real thing".
Anyhow...I don't know how long this stripped down "hotrod" will hold together but I'm sure enjoying it until then.
No Guts ...No Glory.
Thanks all...I'll post again sometime to give you an update.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Hamish
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 02:21 AM

Thought this was headed "stigma guitars" and I was going to say something disparaging about Ovations.   ;-)

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 12:34 PM

I need help, I recently recieved an older Sigma from a friend who passed away. It is an SE-36 model and appears to be in good condition. From the research I have done I believe it was produced in the early 1980's but other than that I have no clue as to what it's value is. Can anyone give me an idea what this guitar is worth? I don't play guitar and I want to sell it to someone who has expressed interest in it but I am not sure what is a fair price to sell it at. Please help, you can reply here or email me at [e-mail]

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Mooh
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 09:24 AM

A Sigma showed up this season in the hands of a young student, apparently it had been his mother's. It is well intonated, has decent action, but the sound is no better than a million others from the import market. Young ears don't much care about that though, they just wanna rock. And there's the rub, how to balance all the properties of playability, durability, sound, and appearance. If a guitar such as this pleases someone, there's a market. Maybe in time those young ears will want something better. Hook 'em with something cheap, the big money comes later.

There's a part of me which sometimes likes a funky old rotten sleezy guitar sound, but not often. Maybe there's a place in every collection...

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: spikeis
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 04:47 PM

Yes, good point Mooh, but As my earlier posts say, SOMETIMES you don't need to move on to something better, and it breaks my heart to see young 'uns desperate to buy a "name" on a guitar, thinking it will make them better players!! That's another can of worms, the "I must have a Martin,Taylor, Guld, Santa Cruz, Collins to be a proper musician" mind set, which bugs the nuts off me as well, as my Sigma is owned by choice, not by price, and it would be interesting to hear others views on this. (no biting now children, play nice!!!) ;)

Cheers

Spike

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,T. Render
Date: 02 Oct 04 - 10:21 AM

I agree with you Spike. Perhaps too many students think that if they trade thier Chevette for a Corvette, they can travel along at a nicer pace (they still make chevettes?). I think if the axe does what the person wants it to do, brand or price should not play a factor. As a player progresses and thier style develops, they will find that thier needs of the guitar will change as well. One secret I use when determining a good guitar (aside from action, intonation etc.) is to try to feel the back vibrate against my stomach when playing at a moderate level. I guess resonance would be what I look for. Of course this only applies to acoustic axe's. When I have good resonance, I don't have to work near so hard to get the sounds I'm looking for and can get a better dynamic range out of the instrument.
Cheers

Trender

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Gary
Date: 02 Oct 04 - 11:20 AM

I concur, Spike. (Just some background information) I owned a couple of guitars through my teen age years (Fender and an Ovation), but they had been purchased second hand. When I was in the service and could afford to buy my own toys, I saved specifically for, and purchased, my first (as I thought) "real" guitar, a D-28 Martin. It was a great guitar I have to admit; however, it did NOT make me a better player. The guitar, along with every other thing that was of value to me was lost in a fire in '81. I had decided to purchase another Martin, but, quite by accident, I mistakenly picked up a Sigma sitting next to a Martin. I played it and thoroughly enjoyed it. I hadn't realized that I wasn't playing a Martin until the owner came back to me and said, "For a knock-off, they're pretty good, aren't they?" I looked at him like he had three heads or something. (It should be obvious to you now that I am not a professional.) I know I play well, but the only person I've ever entended on entertaining was myself. It hit me right then and there that, if I couldn't tell the differance between this and a guitar that cost $2000 more, why should I pay that? I played a few of the Sigmas and ended up purchasing the DR-18. Everyone that has heard me play it (Mostly family) thinks its a great sounding guitar. I think so too. ...just some imput from a non-professional who enjoys playing.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S. Webb
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 05:39 AM

I can't help contibuting to a thread about my favorite obsession: Sigma guitars. In the late 1960's there was a strong increase in demand for guitars in the U.S. Martin could not increase production of U.S. made guitars because of the time lag imposed by the need to season hardwoods. The Japanese manufacturers, having saturated their domestic market early in the 1960's, had abundant stocks of seasoned wood on hand. Martin began selling the Sigma line of Japanese made guitars in January of 1970. Sigma guitars made in Japan from 1970 through 1979 can be distinguished by a headstock logo consisting of the single word "SIGMA" surmounted with a greek letter sigma ("sideways M") and an inner paper label giving model and serial numbers. These early models are almost always solid wood guitars, and tonewood of a high grade at that. The early models are encoded by size, wood, and quality-grade number; that is, a DR-7 (the top of the line) is a rosewood dreadnought of top grade, the DM-5 a mahogany dreadnought of lesser grade, and so on. In 1980, the model lines and designations were changed to capitalize on Martin model names: the DM-18, DM-19, DR-28, DR-28H, DR-35, DR-41, DR-45. But the older model types were also continued as well. The headstock logo was changed to the present day form ("SigmaGuitars / EST. 1970"). The models made between 1980 and 1984 in Japan are almost always solid top with laminate back and sides (like Shannendoahs), as the Japanese manufacturers had used up their stock of seasoned woods by 1980. The paper labels were dropped in favor of stamping the back brace. In 1984, production was shifted to Korea, and in 1993-4 to Taiwan, where it continues to the present day. In general, the quality of the guitars declined in Korea to a medium or lesser grade level. A few Taiwanese (like the DR-28) are surprizingly good, but they're rare. It is worth noting that all the currently produced Sigmas except the DR-41 are designated with the quality grade of 1, meaning there is is no lower quality possible, a curous honesty on Martin's part! Which old Sigmas are worth buying? Here's a guide. The most desirable vintage Sigmas are almost any of the "old logo" Japanese made models: the DR-7 (a D-21 clone), the GCR-7 (a rosewood 00-21 clone), the DM-5, the CR-7 classical, the DR12-7 12-string. The first Sigma catalog (1970) also shows a DJ-7, made of jacaranda or Brazilian rosewood, but I know of no one who has ever seen one in the flesh! Secondly, 1980-84 Japanese made DM-18, DM-19, DR-28, DR-28H, DR-35, DR-41, DR-45 are all excellent guitars but are sometimes inconsistent: 1981-83 DR-41's are laminate; the 1984 DR-41 was solid woods! Where they are laminate construction, the veneers are of high quality and it's often hard to distinguish their sound quality from solid wood. (When in doubt, remove the end pin which will expose the edge of the side wood to inspection.) In 1980, Martin produced 100 Anniversary Sigmas (model 10), a solid mahogany dreadnought; equip one of these with a brass or ivory saddle, ebony bridge pins and medium strings and you can hunt down D-18's in the heaviest brush and stomp them to death --- it's a very loud and impressive guitar! In 1981-82, Martin produced a small number of models labelled "MartinSigma / USA" and designated by an "N" at the end of the model name: DR-28N, DR-35N, etc. These were made in the Martin factory in Nazareth, PA. If Martin makes a Martin clone in the Martin factory with Martin serial numbers stamped on the neck block, does the word "clone" have any meaning anymore? They are just re-labelled Shannendoahs, a pretty good guitar. The DR-7 model was also continued through 1980-84 in Japan, with the addition of a DR-9 and DR-11, all made in very small quantities. They sound about as good as an average Martin D-28 of the same time period (not their best period, I admit). Also made in small numbers in 1979-81 were Sigma models with the prefix 52S, as in 52SDR-7. Curiously, they are made entirely from some very strange laminates. The 52S series were sold as "professional" instruments; they have a pure clean resonant tone (like a high-end maple Gibson) which combines well with the human voice and records cleanly without a fuss. (I've had three of these, and all had thoroughly rigid construction, dead straight necks that had not moved in 25 years, low fast action, and great playing ease, as well as fine sound.) I have have owned, played, bought, sold, traded about 30 Sigmas, which include most of the models mentioned above. Because the high-quality Sigmas were made in small lots by a variety of Japanese manufacturers, there is considerable variation from one instrument to another, not in quality but in character. I have two 1980-84 DR-7's. One sounds pretty much like a slightly sweeter version of a D-28. The other sounds like a 1930's Custom Shop guitar (like that B&D Senorita that keeps popping up or an old Vega). My first "bought new" guitar was a Sigma DR-7 purchased in March, 1970 from a Martin dealer and one of the first 100 Sigmas sold. (Martin shipped exactly 100 Sigmas to dealers in 1970!) It cost $139.95 plus tax. It sounds better (to me, at any rate) than all the other Sigmas I've owned, save one. It has a number of construction details not in common with later DR-7's, so it's possible that it would be worthwhile to search for the lowest serial number when shopping for a DR-7. If by the Martin sound, you mean (and most people do) that crisp percussive snap of attack on the bass strings, the only Sigmas that approach that particular quality are the early DR-7's.

Sterling Webb

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,T. Render
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 08:33 AM

Mr. Webb. Your history lesson on Sigma's is most informative. It is the most complete anthology I have read to date. Thank you for taking the time to post. Sigma appears to have a varied history with a large "window" of different construction methods and wood grades used. Was the DR-7 a dreadnaught "replica", as I was told the DR designate stood for? Do you know anything about the composition of the different finishes used throughout the history of the line?
Thanks again for the info.
Terry Render

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Daniel
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 06:30 AM

Hi everyone, I'll try and add my two pence in! I presume the D in DR 7 stands for dreadnaught. The R will stand for Rosewood and therefore if you have a DM model the M will stand for Mahogany. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's what it all means.

Now I've got to ask for some help. I've a a DR 14 , it has a three piece Rosewood back, and Rosewood sides of course. It is stamped/burnt made in Japan with a serial number of s21713 but also another serial number of n060100 inside on the neck. If any of that makes any sense. It has Mother of Pearl (the multi coloured kind) inlays, and also round the hole of the guitar and edging round the guitar. The machine heads also have Sigma stamped on then.

It's very similar to the DR 11

I can't find any information on the DR 14 and it's driving me mad. Harmony central has lots of reviews on guitars but alas not the DR 14. I would love to know if anyone else owns one or knows anything about it. Please.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Kenny
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 07:18 AM

How much can I pay for a Sigma Les Paul from early -70´s in good condition.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sterling Webb
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:01 AM

Hi,


Daniel is right. The naming scheme for Sigmas was originally by size, composition, and quality. The sizes were Dreadnought (D), Grand Concert (GC) or 000, C for classical, and so forth. R is for rosewood, M for mahogany, S for sapele, B for bubinga, J for jacaranda. Originally 7 was the highest quality grade.


So, a DR-7 (the top of the line) is a rosewood dreadnought of top grade, the DM-5 a mahogany dreadnought of lesser grade, and so on.


In 1980, the model lines and designations were changed to capitalize on Martin model names: the DM-18, DM-19, DR-28, DR-28H, DR-35, DR-41, DR-45. But the older model types were also continued as well for another 4 years (1980-84).


My guess would be that the DR-14 is a souped up DR-11, just like Daniel surmised. I've never heard of the DR-14 before so I get to add a new one to my list. I've heard the DR-11 called the rarest Sigma model (just one on eBay in the last 2-3 years), but a DR-14 would have to trump that for rarity!


I've just bought a Sigma that I can't identify. It has the old-style (1970-79) logo with the word SIGMA inlayed in pearl instead of the usual gold leaf, something I've never seen before. It is solid rosewood and spruce, with a Martin-style bridge (not an adjustable thingee) and with pearl snowflake dots on the fretboard and abalone inlays around the soundhole and top bindings. It has a "normal" (two-piece) back and encased tuners (not sealed). It's missing its paper label, so it's a mystery model with great sound.


If anybody has ever seen one like that and can help me identify it, please reply.


Many of these higher quality models appear to have been produced in very small numbers (like 100 to 150), at intervals, as needed to fill in the high-end of the dealer offerings.


Sorry I hadn't figured out the page breaks (first-time poster) and it all came out in one lump. I think I've got it now.


Sterling Webb

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:09 PM

Sigma guitars are good - but making comparisons with Martins doesn't do them justice. Compare them to other guitars that cost the same (or less) than Martins to get a true impression of their value.
Martins are over-hyped and over-priced.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:11 PM

Hi,

Sterling, I don't know how far your interest of Sigma Guitars extends but I have a few pictures of my guitar on the computer. If you would like the pictures just send me an E-Mail at [e-mail] or anyone else for that matter. Many thanks for you information above.

Daniel

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 05:54 AM

Sterling,
I happen to own a mid 70's Sigma DR28H Serial #34067 with a Manufactured in Japan label still present. It's still in excellent shape albiet for a little fading and discoloration of the finish...Any ideas on how to re-finish the guitar? Would love to install a pickup as it plays & sounds great!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 10:55 AM

How much sould i pay for a dm5 in pretty bad shape. No major damage just worn. This guitar sounds amazing. Just looking around the music store and picked this one up. Never played a Sigma before. It looks terrible but sounds better than anything i have played in a long time. Poor thing . Looks like the devil sings like an ANGEL !!!!!!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jim Anderson/guest
Date: 13 Nov 04 - 01:46 PM

I have one of the Sigma Anniversary models in near perfect condition.

what would it's value be?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,branch
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 03:22 AM

got a dr-7 today head stoke broke off all there no trouble only thing is that it has a m inlaid side ways at the top of head stoke
and the sticker inside doesnt say made in japan
anybody know thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 09:14 AM

Another proud graduate of the Sir jOhn From Hull School of Communication Arts

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S.McBay
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 04:13 PM

S.Webb,

you mentioned something about a low serial number dr-7.
what serial numbers were in that 1st 100 guitars shipped
the the states? I am looking at a dr-7 and wondering
how early it is based on serial number.

thanks.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:46 PM

I've got the Sigma DR 41, made in Japan, bought in 1982. I got it because after selling off a couple of Martins and Strats from my bar band/partying days when I was broke, I didn't think I was worth spending the money on for another Martin, since I was only playing for pleasure for myself, family & jamming with friends.

It's funny how my feelings have changed about this guitar over the years. When I bought it, my thoughts were "a cheap version of the Martin" even though I brought several folks into the shop to hear this guitar, and we all agreed it just seemed to good to be true for the price.

Nowadays, I realize I have a guitar every bit as good sound and action wise, as most Martins I've ever played, regardless of the model. Everybody who picks my Sigma up says that too, so I know it isn't just me trying to make myself feel better about buying the cheaper version of the Martin D41. And just like the best old Martins, mine's only gotten better with age. It is one sturdy bugger too. I finally broke down and bought a high end case for it about 10 years ago, when I decided me and this guitar would never be parting, and I needed to start treating it with the respect it deserved.

Mine has GORGEOUS sound, especially bright with a new set of strings, and especially for the sound it has for playing trad, bluegrass, walkin' blues...it's as good as anything I've ever played.

Grab that DR 41 and ignore all the "it's only a cheap Martin rip-off" talk. If you love the sound and action of it now, and it seems to be a guitar with personality and is structurally sound (you know, top matched to perfection, that sort of thing) to the point of the guitar seeming too good to be true, BUY IT! I guarantee it will age beautifully for you. You can tell some of these Sigmas are made by true artisans. If you are lucky enough to find one those, you'll only be more pleased with the brilliance of your purchase as time goes on!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 06:11 PM

BTW, I'm saying grab it if it is one of the DR 41 made in Japan models that was mentioned by Sterling in his excellent summary of Sigma guitars above. Like I said, I lucked out with the one I bought, it seems to be one of the rare gems of the 1980-19084 models, that obviously came from one of the better manufacturers. My guitar oozes character, which is why I'm hanging onto it.

Not a pro quality guitar, as everyone else has noted. But damn near perfection for the price, action, and sound factors, especially over time. I never expected an inexpensive guitar to age as gracefully as this baby has--it's one sweet guitar.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S.McBay
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 07:27 PM

I have one of the bottom of the line Korean made Sigmas.
It is a DM-1B. A black guitar. I bought it for $75. I
needed a guitar I could travel with and not worry about
getting banged up. This guitar is built like a rock. I
have bumped it alot of times with no damage at all. I
have also realized that it is my favorite guitar to play.
I loaned it to a friend of mine who is a banjo player
so he could learn a couple of Tony Rice songs. He has
has it for two months and I truly miss the guitar. It
is an excellent guitar for the price. I have others that
I refuse to play that are more expensive that the Sigma.
Now I play my Martin while looking for another Sigma. Not
to say that the Sigma is better sounding than the Martin
but my Martin costs too much to drag with me.

just my two cents...

I would recommend this guitar to anyone. Even though mine
is Korean made, I would look for one made in Japan.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Allison
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:44 PM

i started this thread and forgot about it till today.......i finally got a sigma dr 41 on e bay,got it shipped to ireland which took about 3 weeks.i was very happy with the price too,till the irish customs held it up on me   for another week till they got their whack out of it...(bastards)...anyway i am thrilled with the guitar it gets better every time i play it,and apart from a buckle mark and a few   battle scars is in great shape.this guitar came from a dealer in the denver area(golden) anyone with any idea of its past history i would love to hear from them....

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: elmiras
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 11:17 PM

dr-7 serial no.6806 anybody know the age
thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Nov 04 - 06:51 PM

I have a Sigma ACoustic DM-5 dreadnought that my mom got in college, so it is at least 30 years old. It sounds and plays great. it is a high quality guitar. very good. i would never buy another acoustic unless i needed an acou/elec.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,D. Smith
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 01:41 AM

I have an early 80's sdr-35 that I am completely nuts over. From the first time I picked it up till now- My dad has the Martin counterpart and Mine is certainly no MArtin, but my gosh- it is incredible. Have recorded w/it several times and it travels well anyway- I stumbled upon this incredible site and Ive spent a good hour reading. Never ever heard of such an extensive discussion of "cheap" guitars. Thanks!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 04 - 02:30 PM

I got one sigma called SG-9 japanese build serienr: s 36085. It´s a lovely guitar and I wonder if someone know anything about it.
Best Wishes Staffan

Subject: Sigma Classical
From: GUEST,shashi4g
Date: 04 Dec 04 - 11:19 PM

Can't seem to find any information on my Sigma classical guitar. No logo on headstock. Paper label inside says CB-5 and AC-10. Imported and distributed by C.F. Martin and Co. Nazereth, Pennsylvania. USA. Paper label has the sideways M above the word Sigma. Serial # stamped on the headstock is 8512-8. Anyone with any information please email me at [e-mail] Thanks in advance and have fun picking.

Subject: Sigma Classical
From: GUEST,shashi4g
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 04:39 AM

You can click here [e-mail] to email me any info on my Sigma Classical guitar. Any help will be greatly appreciated. THANKS.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S. Webb
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 01:39 AM



    Some (partial) answers to some of the earlier questions in this thread.

    Early serial number DR-7's. My DR-7 bought in March, 1970, has the serial number 6860, so a DR-7 with the serial number 6806 should be an equally early one. Two things to look for in a very early model: a "zeroth" fret right in front of the nut and a printed label with no place set aside for model and serial numbers, so they are just ink-stamped on it whereever there's room.

    S. McBay, what is your DR-7 serial number? Numbers up to the low 10,000's are probably before 1974. Sigma serial numbers were neither consistent or continuous, though. I have a 1974 DR12-7 with a serial number 74xxxxxxxxx, eleven digits, and had a 1980 one with a 29,xxx serial number!

    Sashi4, the CB-5 is a classical guitar is made of Bubinga wood. I don't know what the AC-10 stands for, but the two CB-5's I've seen (on eBay) were also stamped AC-10, maybe a manufacturer code. They're from the early 1970's. Sigma never put the logo on the front of the headstock of the classicals.

    Price of Anniversary Model: In varying condition, I have seen them (on eBay) go for $150-$200 with dings and scratches and other detracting features and up to $300-ish if minty. I actually paid $375 for a dead mint one with the original Martin factory case they came with if you bought one from a Martin dealer, but then I'm a Sigma nut, as is plainly evident.

    An old beatup DM-5 from the 1970's is just about the best sounding guitar for the dollar you can get: solid mahogany and solid spruce face, yet they rarely bring more than $150 on eBay. Invest in a set of ebony bridge pins and a good hard saddle (brass or bone) and you'll have sound that would be hard to match at four times that cost in a new guitar.

    Guest! Re-finishing an older guitar (Japan-made DR-28H) tends to re-set the clock on any collector value it may have now or in the future unless there's really horrible damage. It's also hard to do well on a nitro high-gloss finish unless you have a lot of experience with the task. A lot of things can be buffed out of a nitro finish, though. Check with a luthier.


Sterling K. Webb

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,shashi4g
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 02:10 AM

Thanks for the info S. Webb. I just purchased my CB5 off ebay. The photos are still there if anyone cares to take a look. Ebay # 3760509104. I love the guitar and feel like I got a great price at $150.00. What does everyone think? Thanks for any more info anyone may have including a value.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 05:15 PM

I have a Martin Sigma DR-15 S/N 35039 I bought brand new in 1978. This has been and remains a sweet sounding guitar. The neck is as straight as the day I bought it. I have kept the guitar tuned low to reduce stress to the neck over the years. It has pearl snowflake fret board buttons, Solid spruce top, looks like walnut sides and split back with special inlay in the back seam. It is made in Japan. The edges of the guitar have a Herring bone inlay, abalone inlay around the hole, ebony pegs and rosewood fretboard. Does anyone know anything about this guitar? I wouldn't sell it for anything and everyone who plays it wants to keep it. I would say this has been the best investment I have ever made in guitars. How much is it worth, and any history on it would be nice. I am shopping for another one just like this one but I cannot find any information let alone another DR-15.

Bob Spradlin

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,R. W. Maiden
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 10:04 PM

S.Webb. Thanks for sharing all the info about Sigma guitars. I was curious to know if you could shed any light about my Sigma. It is a DM-4S (as in Sam) model and also has a "C" designation after the model. The embossed stamp inside says it was made in Korea for Martin and Co. The two serial numbers stamped inside are 286850 on the body and 804158 on the base of the neck. What makes it different is the top is Mahogany sun burst. I don't know if this is unusual or just an option that was offered. I, like many others, am pleased with the sound quality of this guitar. I would appreciate any insite or information you might have on the particular model.

R.W.Maiden

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,sport
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 02:50 PM

Hi-I have a sigma guitar with a sideways M on the stockhead-no inside paper label - the #214 is stamped on the inside - it is old but not sure what I have

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,sport
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 07:19 PM

S.Webb, I have read your very informative history on the sigmas - thanks - I am still not sure however , what sigma model and year I have - hopefully you can help - the guitar has the sideways M on the top of the headstock - it has a spruce top and either a mahogany or rosewood side and back - the inside of the guitar is missing the label although you can see bits of the paper - on the inside on the side of one of the wood braces has the number 214 ink stamped - the guitar has aged patina - if you could help me out or anyone out there I would greatly appreciate it - thank you

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S. Webb
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 03:42 PM



    Bob Spradlin, another mystery Sigma, the DR-15! It has to be Rosewood (that's what the R in DR-15 means). Your description of the DR-15 sounds exactly like my mystery Sigma, except that instead of herringbone inlay for the top binding, my "mystery" Sigma has abalone inlay.

    These "mystery" Sigmas must have been made in very small quantities (or they wouldn't still be mysteries). I knew about the DR-9 and DR-11, but the DR-14 reported here was news to me and now, a DR-15! That's two more models I didn't know about. I haven'e found either one in my collection of old Sigma catalogs. That's another reason to suppose they were only made in small numbers, if they get in the catalogs.

    Since the "15" is what Martin called a "quality" number, it's as good as you think it is! I don't know if you have to tune it down so much as to make sure you never use strings heavier than Lights. Light strings have only 75% of the tension of Medium strings at the same tuning, and I've seen evidence that the use of Mediums will damage Sigmas over the long run.

    R. W. Maiden, all I can tell you is that you have a solid wood mahogany Sigma in the DM-4S. I concentrate on buying the Japan-made Sigmas, so I haven't had the chance to look over Korea-made Sigmas. The serial number suggests it might be from the mid-80's, when Martin and the Japanese manufacturers were setting up their joint Korean factories. In a Japanese Sigma the "S" would mean sunburst finish. Today, the "C" would mean Cutaway. Is it a cutaway?

    The "sideways M" logo means Made in Japan between 1970 and 1980. These models are usually the most valued Sigmas, so it was probably a good one. The "214" is probably an internal stock reference and doesn't help figure on the model. Sorry I can't be of more help.


Sterling Webb

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 10:02 PM

Thanks for the Info. I seem to remember the salesmen at the store I purchased it at said it was a limited edition. To me at that time it didn't mean much. It looked good, sounded good and the price was reasonable. I never regretted that purchase. As for the wood, you have to be right....I was mearly guessing. I am assuming abalon inlay is what my back seam is only because it's different then my top edges. I remember the salesmen telling me that the top edge was a herringbone inlay. So I guess I will keep my eyes open on eBay for another DR-15 and grab it if I can. Thanks for the tip on strings...I always use light strings anyway but now I will not feel bad about tuning it up.

Bob Spradlin

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Spikeis
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 03:52 AM

Just a thought, but being as this thread seems to have "outed" LOADS of us Siggy fans, do you think it's time to pressure Martin into re-establishing the strong links they had with then a few years ago, and AT LEAST MENTIONING THEM ON THEIR WEB SITE!!! Or is it that the low end modern Martins don't measure up to the Sigma's!!! Ooooh I DO so like starting a good slagging match!!!
Merry Crimble all

cheers

Spike

Keep on Sigging!!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 12:32 AM

To Allison
I was offered a Sigma DR28A a few years ago free but I would not take it free, I gave the lady $40.00 for it. It is the best acoustic I have ever played. A few weeks ago, I found it had a pick up in it. All these years I did not notice it.

Johnny Pate

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Hand-Pulled Boy
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 03:52 PM

Well done.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dogger
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 06:11 PM

I have a sigma dm-3 accoustic made in korea. Could someone give me a new/used price. I paid $30 for it with a case. Thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Gator
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 12:54 PM

I have recently found a Sigma DR 12-7 made in Japan. I'm trying to find some info on this guitar. It appears to have a different printing of the logo than the normal Sigmas, which look like the CFMartin logo type. If anyone can help with date, value, quality info, I would greatly appreciate it. It's a beautiful guitar in fantastic shape. Thanks -- Gator

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jerry
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 11:39 PM

Whew!!!!
Wow. I guess after 2 years of trying to find out about my DR-28, I guess there isn't much more I could learn. Except when it was actually made to the month and year.
I bought it new in January or February of 1980. It has a body serial # of ES22477 and a stock serial # of 034065 K. Since it is possible it was made in 1979, could it be made with solid rosewood sides and back?

If anyone knows, could they e-mail me at [e-mail] to let me know.

Thanks for all the info from everyone espescially S. Webb. Could S. Webb tell me a little on how he came up with all his info?

Thank you muchly.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest CLM
Date: 23 Jan 05 - 05:38 PM

Wow I had no idea Sigmas had this kind of a following!
I found this thread looking for information on my recent purchase
of a DM2 N Korean Model SN 93041288 Amazing Tone!
From what i read so far the "2" denotes low quality but the finnish on this guitar is beautiful and it plays like a dream.
The tuners are Grover,is this stock? It also has a pickup hidden inside and when plugged in it sounds great(no feedback)

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S. Webb
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 03:37 AM



    Gator, your DR12-7 has the older 1970-79 logo: a pearl greek letter sigma ("sideways M") and the word "SIGMA" in gold, apparently. If so, it probably has a solid rosewood body and solid spruce face. At least all the 70's ones I've seen do, unless it's a 52S DR12-7. Great guitars, built like a tank and very resonant. Go way upstream in this thread to my short history of Sigma for more information.

    Jerry, is it solid rosewood? First, compare the grain pattern on the inside of the guitar with what appears at the same spot on the outside of the guitar. (It helps if the grain is pronounced or stripey.) If they're the same, it's solid woods (one piece).

    If the guitar has a traditonal endpin (not a screw-in strap button) on the butt end, carefully remove the endpin and you can look at the edge of the sidewood and the endpin hole. Very easy to tell if it's one solid piece or a layered laminate.

    To tell if a spruce face is solid, examine the soundhole edge nearest the bridge with a magnifying glass and a strong light. If it's solid, you can see the grain lines run all the way across the edge and disappear onto the underside of the face. If it's a laminate, the grain lines will not match across the edge or not even be visible. You will also be able to see the seam(s) between the layers.

    But the important thing is how the guitar sounds, not the construction details. Yes, as a very general rule, solid is better, but the very best sounding guitar I own has a solid rosewood body and a bi-layer spruce face. It's a hand-built from 1974, made by one of the original luthiers at what became Taylor Guitars, Bob Mossay. After listening to it, old Martins crawl off in a corner and sob uncontrollably...

    Yes, I have other guitars besides Sigma's: Yamakis, Daions, Harptones, G. J. Goulds, assorted Japanese made oddities, a couple of unidentifible guitars, two Harmony's, a pre-war Regal, a few Dobros, Kronbauer, and two of Ted Thompson's wonders, one banjo, and a partridge in a pear tree. I think know a good guitar when I hear it. And like people, they're all different.

    I just bought a Sigma DR-15 like the one described (above) by Bob Spradlin, on eBay (naturally). I just got it today and even with black and ancient strings, it sounds good. In virtually mint condition. It has the GenII logo, so it must be 1980-84, but the serial number is lower than Bob's 1978 model! That's the kind thing that drives ya crazy about Sigma's...

    I can hardly wait to get new strings, ebony pins, and a bone saddle made for it. Drool. Unlike Bob's, it doesn't have an abalone rosette, but does have the herringbone bindings and backstripe, pearl snowflake dots, solid body and solid face, and what looks to be a one-piece neck. It came with the original case which is wood covered in real leather.

    One really odd thing: it has modern sealed tuners (original, not replacements) but instead of cylindrical bodies and caps on the gear drives, they have hexagonal bodies and caps. Very strange. Never seen hexagonal tuners before anywhere.

    CLM, the "N" on the end of your DM-2 interests me. In the older Sigma's the "N" meant a model that was actually assembled in the Martin factory at Nazareth! Look inside on the neck end-block to see if there is anything stamped on it. I had (sold) a DR-35N that had a Martin logo there, with "Made in USA" and a 6-digit serial number. These older "N" models were re-labeled Shennandoahs.

    How'd I learn so much about Sigma's? The hard way. I've bought about 40 Sigma's on eBay. (Yes, 40; fix their problems, set them up, send them on their way again.) Er, some I kept -- too nice, or too much money invested. I also buy up old Sigma catalogs for information, and I scrounge the net for data, too. The really good (rare) Sigma's are possibly the most undervalued high-quality guitars around.



Sterling Webb

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,CLM
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 02:34 PM

Re; The DM2N,There is no stamp in the neck end block,"Made in Korea"
is in gold leaf on the back of the headstock.
This is the nicest sounding acoustic I have ever played,even if it isn't worth much money.
                  CLM

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 06:18 PM

Hi

Got a SIGMA SG-5 marked CF Martin inside and imported to Sweden by LEVIN. As I remember it was named "hummingbird" and I bought it new in the late 70´s. It has SIGMA mark and a M sideways on top of the neck. Anyone knowing anything about this guitar?

/Jan

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,1980
Date: 02 Feb 05 - 02:57 PM

I bought a sigma dreadnought in 1980 it is an anniversary model can you show mw that guitar

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bryant
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 05:14 AM

Hi Sterling,

Thanks for all the info. I have a DT-4N that I bought new in 1995 and I was curious as to whether you knew what wood the "T" stands for.

Also . . . although I'd like to think the "N" means it was assembled in Nazareth, both the stamp and the paper label read "Made in Korea" and there's nothing to indicate otherwise. Any other idea what that "N" means?

Thanks again for sharing all your knowledge. My Sigma has been my one and only 6-string for 8 years now and I really love it. Good to know there are other fans out there.

Regards,
Bryant

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 07:15 PM

Hello:
What a treat to find someone of Mr. Sterling Webb's expertise regarding Sigma guitars. Thank you, sir, and to all who post in efforts to educate about these instruments.

I purchased a Sigma DR-7 recently. It has a stamped brace (made in Japan for C.F. Martin Co.), no "Ms" or "Ns", but sports an inner paper label where the serial number, 024680, appears, along with the inscription, "Inspected by K. Saigo."

It is a solid top, appears to be spruce, has closed tuners that display the word "Sigma", no veloutte (sp), lots of binding everywhere, and the gold "Sigma Guitars Est 1970" headstock logo.

I was drawn to this instrument not by its sound, but by the wood used for the back and sides. I assume its laminate, but it does not appear to be Indian rosewood. It has the chocolate and butterscotch tones of Brazilian rosewood. Not too swirly, but definitely inconsistent with respect to grain width. Bookmatched back. Dynamic sides. Lovely. It is more attractive and, in my opinion, much more desirable than the tight, straight grained, dark browns and blacks of Indian rosewood.

Mr. Webb, and others more knowledgable than I, please help me out here. I'll add this page to my favorites list and check back in a
day or two. If anyone can help me out with identifying the laminate used for the back and sides, I'd be grateful. Also, the guitar's approximate manufacture date would be appreciated.
Thanks for your help, and best regards,
Stephen Hankins
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 01:29 AM

I have a sigma dr41 serial number 922055 model number s19752.
made in japan. headstock logo SigmaGuitars / EST. 1970
could anyone give me information on what year this was made.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,don at the bay
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 03:55 PM

Sterling Webb, are you still out there? I have a model GCS-6; serial
# 74080626. I purchased it shortly after graduating from college...Bill Dowdy Music, Battle Creek, Michigan, in 1975. It's remained in amazing condition, especially considering its 30-year history. As I've not found any information specific to the GCS-6, figured I'd come to the mountain an see what the master has to say.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,irving
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 04:55 PM

HOW DO I KNOW IF MINE IS MADE IN TIAWAN OR JAPAN.........
ITSA DM3........i FOUND A SITE FOR SIGMA   AND THEY SAID DM3 WERE ON ENDED IN 79
       aND THEN I HERE HERE THAT ..........THERE R SOME THAT ARE LATER..........
ANY HELP FROM SOMEONE KNOWLAGABLE WOULD HELP......
IS IT MADE IN JAPAN THAS WHAT I WANNA KNOW........THERE IS NO LABEL DOESNT SEEM TO EVER HAVE BEEN ONE.ALSO I WAS WONDERIN IF IT WAS LAMINATED

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,badboy10261
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:54 AM

I have two sigmas a dm1 and a dr41.They are both good guitars the 41 seems to be the better of the two.I have never seen so much info on sigmas.It,s nice to know there are other sigma fans out there that don,t just think of them as martin copys.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 01:39 PM

Hi,

If Sterling Webb is still out there, can You help me with info on my Sigma. I is a dreadnough, all dark, I was told by the seller (bought it in the early 80s, in Gothenburg Sweden)that it was redwood and jacaranda. I imagine the top can be redwood. The guitar in total is a beauty.

The seller was a guy I used to meet windsurfing and he used to work for the Levin Company until they were shut down (by Martin)in the late 70s.

The guitar is marked on the Label in the Soundhole as follows:

"Sigma Guitars, Est.1970, CF Martin & Company, mod. FW 315 G, Manufactured in ....."

It seems allmost like the label is deliberately torn to hide the rest.

It has "Sigma Guitars Est.1970" in gold on the headstock and also "1.7.82" stamped there (a assume build date)

If You share mail adress with me I can send pictures.
([e-mail])

The guitar has adjustible stable (which i don´t are much for) but it plays and sounds great.

I am also intrested in if Sigmas were ever built in the Levin factory (the building were torn down 2 years ago)

Best regards.../Magnus Hultin (Levin/Goya obsessed)

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,JT3
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 09:36 PM

just found myself a Sigma DT12-4 in a pawn shop great tone! whats it worth? minimal wear, and beat up orginal case. thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Coma
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 09:58 AM

So a Sigma DM-5 with gold lettering a´la Martin and a Made in Japan stamed back brace would be made 1980-84. Most likely not solid mahogany back and sides but a solid spruce.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,brebbman
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 04:08 PM

Regarding Sigma guitars, I have recently purchased a Picador 12 string. I read in another forum that a Picador is a blemished Sigma. If you pry off the Picador sticker/tag on the headstock you will find the Sigma name which is burned/engraved into the wood. I don't have the guts to do it.

So, is it true that a Picador is really a blemished Sigma?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: jackprune
Date: 04 Mar 05 - 02:22 AM

Hey, ... neat thread.

My sigma "52SDM 2" has been through hell. It's been backpacked, camped, banged, burned, baked, dropped, and probably kicked a few times. This thing is a tank and fun to play. It has a full wooden tone with zero tin or ring. It really booms out nicely with banjos, fiddles, and mandos.

Obviously it's one of those 52S's Sterling mentioned. I imagine the 'D' is dreadnaught and the 'M' mohogany. Is the 'S' spruce? What about the the '2' ... it has a paper label, a black painted headstock face ("SigmaGuitars Est. 1970"), no internal Martin stamps, a solid top, and a 8612000524 serial number. I can't figure the sides or back. Great guitar.

Jack P.

jp

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,J.C.
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 12:16 PM

Happen to own DM-4 Sigma. Martin stamp on the inside.Serial number is 89?91003. In exellent condition.As far as I can see, all original.Plays great and sounds amazing. Any information on this guitar would be greatly appreciated. Would like to know the year it was made,where it was made and the aprox. value.
    Thanks...J.C. .

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,badboy
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 12:44 AM

If anybody out there has any books on sigma guitars or has any sigma guitars for sale at fair prices please let me [e-mail]

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,badboy
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 11:57 PM

IF anyone needs to know the year there sigma was made there is a web site for past models.I found this on yahoo type in sigma guitars scroll down to past models it has the year when each one was made.I thought this info would be helpful.This website is by cf martin.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,don at the bay
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 08:45 AM

I've been to the site badboy recommends. While extensive, it doesn't list every model Sigma produced (see my Feb, post regarding my GCS-6). The site, which I believe is provided by Steve's Music, will refer you to Orion Blue Book, which, for $4.00 will indicated the estimated value of your guitar. I found the same source at my local library some years ago...and again, the GCS-6, was not listed. So what do I believe the value of my old Sigma to be? To most, because I bought a hard shell case some time ago, someone might give me the $135 I paid in 1975 or 76. As evidenced by this site, to many, our old Sigma's value is that of an old friend that will get played once a week because we have a relationship. Is it the best guitar in my house? Of course not. Is it my most valued. Without doubt.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sage
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 08:11 AM

Can anyone shed some light on the electric hardbodys made by Sigma?
I have 2 at the moment. A strat and a LesPaul. Very good instruments indeed....BUT exremely hard to find any info. about.
Does anybody have a clue where to look, sites, books, anything?


[e-mail]

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sage
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 08:20 AM

Some pictures.

http://members.chello.se/petter-hem/ada/sigma.htm

/p

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,sweething2u
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 03:18 AM

I have a Sigma/Martin solid body electric guitar purchased new from a little music store that went out of business 2 years ago. Can't find any information on it anywhere. Can anyone help me? I don't have a clue how long the old man had it in his store before I bought it. I am guessing from it was made in 2000 because I saw one sold on a website and his was a 2000 model. I haven't seen another one and the local music store owners have never seen a solid body electric from Sigma before. It is sunburst finish with a white pickguard. I am thinking of listing it on ebay, but don't know what the value of it might be.

Thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sage
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 04:09 AM

sweething2u

What kind of solidbody?
Strat, LesPaul?
As far as i know, Sigma solids were only produced in the early -70s.
Do you have any pictures(check mine out, above)?

I would say a decent specimen would vary in price from 50£ up to 250£.
It all depends on if you can find the right buyer.

/p

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Steve.Gullick
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 09:29 AM

I have just bought a Sigma DR28H(Taiwaneese)off ebay. It is absoloutly beautiful, it seems to have solid rosewood sides and back but Ithink the top may be a two piece. It came with a set of medium strings and I think they are too heavy as it is incredibly loud, I am going to change them for lights just to see.

As of today, the D14 that was mentioned earlier in the thread is on ebay, it looks like a bargain to me!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SWEETHING2U
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 03:38 AM

My Sigma solid body electric guitar looks like the American Stratocaster except for the headstock. It doesn't have the rounded shape on the end. It's brown with the wood grain showing through (stained) and fades out to black edges. White pickguard, 3 single coil pickups, slide selector switch and 1 volume, 2 tone knobs. Adjustable string bridge with a wha wha bar. 6 on one side tuners. A black stripe down the back of the neck. Made in Korea with serial #S99060222. The headstock says "Sigma Established 1970. I have a digital camera and could email you a picture. I don't know how to post a URL for public viewing. Near mint condition, I would say.

And not to change the subject, but another rare guitar I have is an S800 Epiphone with these words wrote across the front of the headstock in black letters. "Epiphone by Gibson" from 1986. Very nice condition too! Can't find much information on it either. I bought a price guide on ebay but neither of these two guitars are in it.

Sweething2u

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 08:12 PM

Hi there.
I have an old Sigma Model 52SDM-1, serial number 26416. I believe this guitar was made in the 70's. It plays excellent, looks and sounds great and is in wonderful condition. Any ideas as to who/ how I can identify the year built? I've played this guitar all through the Carribean, and many places on the West Coast of California. Great action, great sound with an under bridge pickup. I now have retired it as my backup guitar to a Taylor LK12.

You can email me at [e-mail]

Thanks,

Mike.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,mikey
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 08:48 PM

anyone hear of a sigma model tbnyb

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jim Samuel
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 11:34 PM

I have a Korean-made Sigma DR-28H. I'e always thought it was laminated rosewood but when I was looking at it the other day, the grain on the back seems to be the same on both the inside and the outside.

Does anyone know for sure if these were laminated rosewood or solid?

Thanks,

Jim

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Silas
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 03:55 AM

Mine is Taiwan made DR28H. It certainly seems to have solid rosewood back and sides. Mine has the C F Martin & Co as Well as the Sigma logo on the headstock, both inlaid mop - does yours? I have not seen this before.

Steve

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jim Samuel
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 09:19 PM

My DR-28H still has the "Made in Korea" sticker on the back. The front side has the Sigma name in MOP inlay, written in the same style as the Martin logo. It does not say CF Martin on the headstock.

Jim

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,CrimsonUA
Date: 23 Mar 05 - 05:54 PM

Thanks for all the Info on the Sigma Martins!

I got a Sigma with the sideways "M". 52SDR-7 Serial #15324 made in japan. It's in mint condition, sat in closet for 30 yrs. lol

I found it in my closet, think my got it during her Hippy years. lol Anyways im learning on it now. :)

About how much would you think it's worth? Should i be learning on it?

Thanks, CrimsonUA

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Mar 05 - 07:24 PM

Any hints on where to look for serial numbers?
thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Silas
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 04:13 AM

Yes, learn on it by all means. It is a sad thing to see kids trying to learn on crap instruments, no wonder most of them give up!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Silas
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 01:02 PM

Serial Nos seem to mbe either stamped onto the back bracing, on the neck mount or on the paper label.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Silas
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 07:56 AM

Just came across a Dr28 in the music shop in Newport Shrops. It is Korean good condition, but the build quality is not a patch on mine, it also has laminated back/sides. Sounds bloody good though they are asking £250.00

Steve

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Standog
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 04:27 AM

I got my Sigma DR12-7 ten years ago and all the bits- machine heads, pegs etc- keep falling off. I still love it though and I's a damn sight better than any of the rubbish that Martin are churning out today. Buy a Yamaha, much more for your money.

Henry

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,aminetti
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 12:19 PM

Dear GUEST,don at the bay,

I could be interested in buying your GCS6, in cas you want to sell it. My email il [e-mail]
Best regards

Alberto

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Brad
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 10:30 PM

Just bought a DR-9 at a yard sale for $100. The headstock has CF Martin est 1833 (I didn't realize it was a Sigma until I got home). On the inside it has stamped (burned) made in Japan... Was pretty bummed about it not being a Martin, but it sounds and plays pretty darn good and I needed a guitar to bang around on while saving my Alvarez-Yairi (WY-1) for gigs. Seems to have solid body construction - serial number: S84759. A thanks to Sterling Webb for all his information! Any info on my headstock would be appreciated. Thanks.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Rob
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 11:51 PM

hello, could someone please tell me the difference between a sigma dm-4y and a sigma dm-4. my neighbor gave me the dm-4y but i can only find info on the dm-4
thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 19 May 05 - 11:09 PM

hello, does anybody have any info on the Sigma DR45, it has the gold logo on the head, [SIGMA GUITARS, EST 1970], any info laminate?, what type of wood, year, how many sold ?, i have never seen, or heard of a [DR45], hadf several DR-41 models!, please email, and thank you, Don

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,sweething2u
Date: 20 May 05 - 01:39 PM

I still haven't found any information on my Sigma by Martin solid body electric guitar that looks like the strat body but not the headstock. Says "Sigma" "Established since 1970" on the headstock with 6 on a side tuners. Need to know the year. I think is has been made in the last 5 years or so, just not sure.

Also my Epiphone by Gibson S800 solid body electric from 1986-1989. White pearl finish with all black hardware with a tremelo (I am sure I spelled that wrong). Any information would be helpfull. Not listed in the price guide I bought. Listing it on ebay this week. Someone wrote me once and said the blue book says it is worth $385 in perfect condition, and about $365 if it has any small flaws on it. Don't want to take just one persons word on it to be gospel.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Mike
Date: 25 May 05 - 12:28 PM

My second guitar was a Sigma, but like any kid I swappped and sold stuff trying to find the "perfect" axe. Thirty-five years later, I have gotten rid of all my "fancy" guitars and have managed to recreate what I had when I was younger: 1959 Epiphone Cabellero (my first guitar); 1971 Sigma GCS-6 (my second guitar); 1954 Kay Mahogany Archtop; 1968 Silvertone Archtop with pickup. I gig with these more often than with my Martins and Seagulls.

The one thing that I don't have and never had, but that I want, is an old Stella... but I told my partners at work that the next one to come into the shop is mine.

Oh yeah... my old Sigma sounds better than my 90's Martins. Age does have some advantages.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,don at the bay
Date: 27 May 05 - 07:18 AM

Hey Mike, I posted a note earlier seeking info on the GCS-6 which I purchased in 1975. My continued search for information has not been too productive.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,don at the bay, again
Date: 28 May 05 - 07:08 AM

For some reason, my entire post didn't make it yesterday. Anyway, regarding the GCS-6, folks at Martin did respond to my inquiry about my old Sigma, but they couldn't fill me in on any details. I'd always assumed solid spruce top...they thought differently. I'm looking now for an old Sigma catalogue, from when they were manufactored in Japan. Any info?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Glen
Date: 29 May 05 - 10:01 PM

Hi, what great forum. I have found little information about Sigma's anywhere else. Sterling, you do have a great knowledge of these guitars with what seems very little information out there to help.

I'm now the proud own of a DM-19 with the "made in Japan" stamp. I'm gathering from what I have read that the top is solid spruce with lam. mahogany back and sides. I'm going to bone the nut and saddle and try ebony bridge pins.

I have a few questions. Can you date the guitar by the serial number? Which serial number do you use? I assume the body one. The number 9 in the model number is still the grading of wood used?

Thanks for the info. and knowledge

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 01 Jun 05 - 01:18 PM

Finally a thread on Sigmas! I recently aquired a beautiful near-mint SE-1N and I can't tell you how impressed I was with it. It really surprised me and it was quite a find. UNFORTUNATELY, someone screwed around with the pre-amp and now it will not function without the battery check button being pressed. Any idea on what I could do about this? I emailed Martin about trying to find another preamp but they haven't emailed me back. Anyone have any information on this instrument as well?

Thank you!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Matt
Date: 06 Jun 05 - 01:23 AM

I bought my Sigma in 1990. It's a DR-2 and made in Korea. I new nothing about guitars when I bought it, I got it because I could afford it (AU$299). Now all these years later I have been trying to find out info on it without success. I take it from Sterling Webbs great posts that it is a Dreadnaught Rosewood of lower quality (hence the '2') However, I was at my brothers house last night, and he wants to learn guitar. His in-laws are overseas at the moment, so he swiped his father in laws guitar to have a strum. Low and behold it is a Sigma DR-28N. It has Martin Sigma USA on the headstock, and says it was made in the USA. That was a suprise, I never knew that they were made in the US. It was purchased in 1985, and looks like it hasn't been touched since 1986! It desperatly needs a new set of strings, but aside from that, I'm as jelous as hell! Anyway, if anyone wants to fill me in on the my lowly DR-2, all info greatly accepted.

Matt

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,j. kaufman
Date: 16 Jun 05 - 12:53 PM

First, let me say I've learned more from about my Sigma from this thread than from any other internet source. Special thanks to S. Webb for sharing his knowlege.
Now, to add to his knowlege...
I have a Sigma DR-11 that I bought in August 1979 (I still have the receipt) for $388.00. It has the newer "est 1970" logo on the head, but inside it has stamped directly on one of the braces "made in Japan for CF Martin & co" and next to it..."DR-11". It has a solid top and apparently laminated back and sides. It also has the abalone inlay around the front binding and around the sound hole and abalone fret markers The curious thing (to me) is that the back appears to 3 pieces. Instead of 1 purfling stripe down the middle, there are 2...eminating from the neck and ending at the bottom about 10" apart. You can see the braces inside following the same lines. I don't know if this is common, but my guitar is the only one I've seen like this.
It's been my only guitar since Aug, 79 (I traded my Madeira A-12 in for it) and It still plays beautifully. I still get compliments on it's looks and sound. I had it professionally set up and re-fretted and a bone nut and saddle installed in 1987 and it's been perfect ever since. [e-mail]

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Kent
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 04:25 PM

Hi! I just bought a second hand Sigma DR-41. It is a Japan model and the one who sold it to me, said that it was made in the seventies or eighties. The serial number is 2781. Can someone give me some information about this model? What kind of wood is used - age of guitar - and so on... I would be thankfull! I bought mine in Norway (where I live!).. If pictures can help, I can send by email. My email is: [e-mail]
Best regards, Kent

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 12:13 AM

I'm happy to report that the new Sigmas are every bit as good as the older versions. I just purchased a new DR41 (made in Indonesia). Martin ships the parts over, they are assembled, then the guitars are shipped back to Martin for inspection before selling them. I have several other guitars, including a Guild D46 that I love, but I have to honestly say the DR41 is comparable in a lot of ways. I have played many Martins and this Sigma stands up with any of them. I am glad to hear how solid the older guitars are - I expect this one to last a long time.
Jim

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sterling Webb
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 08:26 PM



    I've been sick for months, but I am now back in tune. I see there are a few "SIGMA NUT" questions for me that have been waiting for answers! I'm going to start answering them in chronological order, a bunch at a time. Soonner or later, I will get to yours!


    GUEST,41815nilsson asks "SIGMA SG-5 marked CF Martin inside and imported to Sweden by LEVIN." This would have been after Martin bought Levin (and then ruined them). All old logo style Sigma's were made in Japan, and almost all are good guitars. Is this a classical guitar?


    GUEST,1980 asks about a "sigma dreadnought in 1980 an anniversary model." These were made for the 10th Anniversary of Sigma, limited run (100-150), SOLID Mahaogany, SOLID spruce, very high quality -- they appear to me (at least mine does) to have been handmade. If it has no problems and is clean, it's worth $400 minimum. Give it a bone nut and saddle and ebony pins and it with go up against any D-18 around.


    GUEST, Bryant asks: "DT-4N 1995 and I was curious as to whether you knew what wood the "T" stands for. Although I'd like to think the "N" means it was assembled in Nazareth, both the stamp and the paper label read "Made in Korea." The T means a maple body, don't know if solid. If made in 1995, it was one of the last Korean Sigmas, as they switched to Taiwan starting in 93-94. "4" is the highest quality number for maple Sigma's I've seen. The "N" is probably designated a finish, like "S" stands for sunburst.


    GUEST,stevehankins asks about, "Sigma DR-7 stamped brace (made in Japan for C.F. Martin Co.), but sports an inner paper label where the serial number, 024680, appears, along with the inscription, "Inspected by K. Saigo." closed tuners that display the word "Sigma", no veloutte (sp), lots of binding everywhere, and the gold "Sigma Guitars Est 1970" headstock logo."

    This would have made 1980-84. To have both stamp and paper label suggests it was right at the 1980 switchover. I've only see n on one other Sigma. I've never seen a DR-7 (which were the top of the line at that point) with SEALED Sigma-marked tuners, so that's unsual, as is the signature. I suspect you got a real good one here. Most (but not all) post-1980 bodies were laminates, the same laminates Martin imported to build Shennandoahs out of, Not too shabby! I've have two post-1980 DR-7's myself and have sold off half a dozen others, 6 & 12's. To be sure about the body wood, look at the grain runs of the back INSIDE, with a flashlight, then compare it with the grain runs on the OUTSIDE back, several times, several places, sides too. If they match, it's solid; if not, not. I've seen only one Sigma from this period that had solid sides with a laminate back, so...


    GUEST,fredvstar650 asks, "sigma dr41 serial number 922055 model number s19752. made in japan. headstock logo SigmaGuitars / EST. 1970" This would be made 1980 to 1984. The S-number means one particular maker that worked for Martin, but I don't know who they were, only the "S" company! DR-41 is the model. ALL Japan made DR-41's were great guitars, solid woods as far as I know. Does it have solid woods? Another really nice one! If it has no problems and is clean, it's worth $500 minimum.


    I know you guys are probably not asking about values and prices, but I throw that in once in a while. The good Sigmas open go for a little more than the cheap Sigma's because they are so greatly undervalued. Hang on to them, enjoy them, and someday the market will figure it out and their values will rise!


    More questions answered next time. Stay tuned.


Sterling K. Webb

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Kent
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 07:58 AM

Hi! Some further details on my Sigma DR41. It is made in Japan. As I wrote here earlier I beliece it was made in the seventies or eighties. The serial number is: 0 027 81 (could it mean that the guitar was manufactured July 2, 1981 or mabye number 27 in 1981???) On the headstock it is written: SigmaGuitars EST. 1970. Would be interesting if someone could help me with some more information about this lovely guitar.

And mister Webb: It is reallt enjoying to read all your knowledge about Sigma guitars inside here! (Maybe you could give me a hand as well?) :-) Have you ever consider to your own website about Sigma guitars? Would be interesting!

Best regards, Kent

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,don at the bay
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 08:33 AM

Glad you're back and feeling better Sterling. Next round could you fill me in on the GCS-6, circa '75? Thanks!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Brad
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 12:16 PM

Has anyone seen a Sigma with a "CF Martin & Co est. 1833" neck? It is a DR-9 with a serial number S84759. Did Martin put Sigma on their seconds? I am wondering this because daylight comes through on a couple of seams.

Thanks for any info,

Brad

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Byron
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 09:40 PM

Wow! At last some answers! Mine is a SIGMA DR-35 with a C not too carefully branded behind that in a larger script. S44569 on the brace and 600728 at the neck. Below that is a mark I can't make out. A,K,8 ? Maybe just a blotch. I bought it new in '85 and have never regretted it. I have picked up flattops in the stores lately priced between $1,500 and $ 2,200 that I would not consider trading for my SIGMA. Incredible when you consider I paid about $300 for my "cheap Jap Martin copy." The only question left for me is the 'C' branded behind the DR35 on the brace. This site is now in my favorites list, so I'll check back later. THANKS for all the great info on this site!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Billy Bob
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 09:40 PM

I have the chance to buy a
Sigma - Martin DR-35N s# 900994
Made in USA
Nazareth, PA.

Any idea what this guitar is worth? Does it have solid rosewood sides/back and solid spruce top?

Would greatly appreciate any information.

Keep on pickin.    Billy

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,rrouse4761
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 11:41 PM

I have one of the DJ-7 guitars that seem to be so rare and mysterious according to the quote on this page. Does anyone have any information on this model or perhaps it's value? THanks everyone.

Subject: Sigma DJ-7 guitar
From: GUEST,rrouse4761
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 12:18 AM

I have one of the DJ-7 guitars that seem to be so rare and mysterious according to the quote on this page. Does anyone have any information on this model or perhaps it's value? THanks everyone.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Seth G
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 12:12 AM

First I'd Like to thank Sterling Webb for all the info. I have had such a difficult time getting any info on my SIGMA 52SDR-7. Mine has the serial #30499 with the sideways M logo inside. Do you have any more info on this guitar? This was my first guitar and it was givin to me as a gift from a friend. Very solid guitar with a great sound. I will never part with it.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,MarcS WOW
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 11:10 AM

Wow i've been looking for a place like this for ever!
I bought a Sigma DM3 from a buddy in high school in 1988. Paid 10$ for it The guitar was in good shape but the case is made out of some kind of cardboard ( propably not original ...) I've been trying to find info on SIGMA's for a couple years now but even MARTIN's web site is not very usefull. Anybody know where I can get info on my guitar? Date of manufacture and stuff like that?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Ashley Reed
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 02:37 PM

Great info here! My father-in-law has a 52SDR-9 which he bought used about fifteen years ago. It's generally in good shape, but needs a new nut, saddle (changing to bone for him) and a setup. I too, would like to find out any info on this guitar, but it seems to be elusive. The serial number is 11209. If anyone can tell the specific date of manufacture or has any information on new MSRP or anything else they can share, I would certainly appreciate it!

Regards,
Ashley

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,JJ
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 04:18 PM

Got my GCR-7 Serial # 73010988 "a rosewood 000-21 clone" for $75 from a friend back in 1988. The paper lable is still very readable, and the "M" above SIGMA on the headstock is pearl. There's a black plastic white edged truss rod access cover above the nut. Although not real loud, it's a wonderful sounding guitar with a very comfortable shape. It's been my beater for all these years, but differs from some 000 Martin attributes. Some exceptions are the adjustable saddle, and a 14 frets clear, modified-V neck profile with a 1 11/16" nut (like an OM-21V?).

Based on the GCS-6 post above, I wonder if the first two digits of the serial number could be the year it was made? Thanks for the information, it's cool to finally find some good Sigma info, especially to learn it's one of the "most desirable vintage Sigmas".

Thanks,
JJ

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,DAVIDD
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 10:37 PM

Great site for all Sigma nuts! Hope we hear from Sterling Webb sometime soon. I have a Sigma with a combination of wood, coloring and markings unlike any guitar I have seen before or after. I still think that it is the best looking acoustic (any brand!) I have ever seen. It has quilted maple sides, back and headstock bound in tortoise shell with a thin white stripe. The neck is 20 frets with tortoise shell binding. It has snowflake pearl fret markings and a pearl rectangle with the name SIGMA in the 20th fret. The front binding also has herringbone as does the soundhole and down the back. The tuning keys are gold and enclosed with the Sigma stamp.

The logo on the headstock is "Sigma Guitars, Est. 1970". I bought this guitar around 1980 and the inside bracing has the Sigma Guitars Made in Japan for C.F. Martin stamp. The mystery is the model number. The stamp in the bracing is only partially readable. It looks like D-11 or D-21. I have never heard of a D-21 so I'm guessing D-11 but the first number is hard to make out. I have read Sterlings postings about DR and DM for Rosewood and Mahogany, but what about maple? Anyone heard of or seen a Sigma model fitting this description? I would love to know more about it. Is there any way to tell how many of this type were made and/or its value? Hope to hear more from Mr. Webb on this site. I wish Martin had as much history for us as he does.
Thanks,
DD

Subject: sigma guitar
From: steve2
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 04:28 PM

in 1978 i traded a bag for a model 52sgcs-4 sigma guitar the sound has gotten beter through the years just wondering if anyone knows anythig about this model.thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dr Alexander Peach
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 05:22 PM

What an enjoyable evening I have had reading the erudite and knowledgeable posts on this thread. I have been playing guitar for some 27 years the past 22 on my faithful old Fender F3 acoustic bought for £79 in the early 80s. Always a bit of a dog to play, but got much better with age; it did make it onto a couple of major label albums in the late 80s as well! This year I decided I needed something decent for home recording so I budgeted £300 and started looking for a replacement. I had no idea what to get but being more of an "ears" rather than "eyes" buyer – if you get my drift – I blind tested a number of new guitars but never found anything I liked; and that included £1000 Martins. Then a friend of mine brought a 1980s Sigma around and I fell in love with its tone and playability. I decided that I might as well see if I could get a second hand Sigma to try out and a quick net search found an advert for a "1980s DM5" in a nearby city. I sacrificed a day and took the train to Nottingham (yes where the sheriff lives) on a speculation. What I was confronted with was a completely different guitar from the one I expected. At first it seemed "uglier" and older than my friend's but from the moment I picked it up I knew it was the guitar for me. A tone as sweet as a virgin's kiss, and a feel like sugared almonds…..I'm getting carried away here! Well, £220 exchanged hands and she's mine. I now know that she is probably a 1979 dreadnought made from pine and mahogany of the 5th best quality! She has a gold Sigma logo on the headstock with the sigma "M" sign in mother of pearl above and has hardly a scratch anywhere. I have no interest in what she is worth as value is a slippery concept and beneath a true gentleman; however, I would be interested in any information on her making and age. Her back is in one piece and - as with her face - one solid piece of wood. A label inside reads: (M) SIGMA CF Martin and Company, Model DM-5, Serial No. 73103540, Made in Japan. Many years of pleasure await, I have not been able to keep my hands off her since we became one! Indeed she brings the poet out in me as every artiste needs a muse!
Yours prosaically
Alex Peach.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,guest , rusty
Date: 13 Nov 05 - 09:29 PM

To start this entire forum is a GOD send, I've had my Sigma GCS,6 for about 15 years(was my moms) she bought it new in '75' or '76'. I've found nothing about them till now. Awsome guitar. I'm with don at the ebay..... Speak oooSterling Speak!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Mark-Glasgow-
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 10:21 PM

Hello all
What a great find! I was searching for info on Sigma guitars and stumbled across this.I have just bought a Sigma DR7 on Ebay tonight.I had read some info previously,but never knew much about them,untill now...Some great posts! Here is a link to my win:

Sigma DR7

I will let you know how it sounds.
Keep on Rocking!
Mark ;)

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jeanette
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 06:10 AM

Sterling Webb - I just discovered you after hours of searching on the web for info on old Sigmas. I am going to be looking at a 52SCS-4 Sigma tomorrow. From what you've already posted, it sounds like this is part of the 52S series made 1979-81 in Japan, "entirely from some very strange laminates". Can you clarify? Should I assume the "CS" stands for a classical guitar made of sapele wood? From what you've written it sounds like it should be a good deal - the seller is asking $125. Any help you or anyone out there can offer would be greatly appreciated!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jeanette
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 06:34 AM

Forgot to mention on the Sigma model 52S CS-4 I'm looking at tomorrow: the serial number is 12,225. I'm hoping someone can tell me just exactly what this thing is made of as the current owner has no clue. Mr Webb?
Anyone?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Geoff in KY
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:16 AM

A friend just gave me a Sigma GCS-2 that was made in Korea. It is in excellent condition, other than having sat in its case for years (I assume w/ no climate/humidity control). She said to send her a check for what I think it's worth, but I have no idea. I want to be fair, so can Sterling or someone out there tell me what the fair market value would be? According to Sterling, Korean Sigmas were made between 1984 and 1993. Thanks. G

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 08 Dec 05 - 07:04 PM

A proud new owner adding his good fortune to this sight - Thanks to Sterling Webb for the education I received in researching my purchase. There are a couple of questions for Sterling Webb or any other informed poster to please respond.

1980 Sigma Anniversery Edition Acoustic guitar. Perhaps I overpaid a little at $450 but it made for a content buyer and seller. I purchased from the original owner and workmate, who bought this new for his wife as a gift, and complained because she's only played it about twenty times before finding it's way back into the hardshell case permanently. A few light pickstroke marks across the pickgaurd and perhaps a few about an inch onto the spruce-top finish indicating it those plays. A couple of light scratches only visible on a reflecting light. I would classify the guitar as mint, or near mint. A beautiful guitar and a great sound that carries.

The case was a hard-shell purchased new, but appears to have no brand name associated with the case and no key to lock it.

Identifying marks: Sigma 1980 model Anniversery Edition Made in Japan (stamped Sigma Guitars C.F. Martin & Co, surrounding Made in Japan for…). The number 109 stamped just to the right of this. The 9 was stamped separately than the other, appearing black where the 10 (for model 10) and all other stamping is red-ish brown. Also No S17343 stamped on the same inside cross-brace closer to the fretboard. There is an illegible stamping just to the left of the S (preceding the serial number (could be an N,w/raised o indicating (Serial No), or possibly a capital N, or something else entirely, but I cannot make it out.

There is the numbers 016055 on the inside mahogany woodblock where the fretboard meets the body, with another symbol underneath that looks like the letter K, w/upper & lower V's filled in. 20 frets, solid spruce top, mahogony sides and back (split down the middle/two sections), rosewood fingerboard and bridge with mother of pearl inlays (pointed crosses, alternating square and elongated down the fretboard) w/Mother-of-Pearl Anniversary on twentieth fret, also inlayed crosses on each side of the bridge, with mother-of-pearl inlay also on the end of the string pins. Pickgaurd and binding are tortoise shell and assuming a gloss nitro finish. Tuners are enclosed Sigma. With Mother-of-Pearl SigmaGuitars EST.1970. on the Headstock.

Assuming back and sides are solid Mahogany – definitely the back and sides are Mahogany, just not experienced enough to verify solid versus laminate. I could not get the strap-button off for inspection and the grain inspection matching inside versus out is going to take a another try. The spruce top shows grain wrapping around soundhole – so the top is not laminate. Does anyone know if this is even a concern on the Anniversery Edition?

I read one review that described the Anniversary edition as the marking the end of the solid body tonewoods for Sigma. Are they all solid tonewoods?

Can anyone tell me what the 9 means?

Also will pass along that the dealer told the buyer that this guitar was shipped to the U.S. for assembly. Since I could not clearly make out an N (Nazareth) anywhere I have no way to really know if the dealer was correct.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 10:14 AM

I Bought a sigma dm4 in 1986 was on a road trip burns junction "dipped a chip and flipped" my 1976 Toyota didnt hurt anyone, but after rolling 4 times and whitnessing the front windshield fall out rolling ahead of me. I finnaly retreved my snapon tools that were spread along the hiway.   My guitar laid ontop of the campershell about 250 yards up the lane I thought for shure it was a gonner rite!@!!   the bugger hadn't a scratch and was still a tune!!!!!!!!!!!

wo wow, Kosby   ...........out.

Subject: sigma gcs6
From: GUEST,don at the bay
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 05:37 PM

I've posted on this site a couple of times in hopes of learning more about my old GCS6. I came away believing that my old axe is made of sapele, would have a solid spruce top, and was likely built in 1974 The quality of these original Japanese-made guitars were rated on a 1-7 scale, with 7 indicating the highest grade. On a recent net-world wandering, I've come across two GCS6 guitars currently being sold. Both refer to my old guitar as a dreadnought made of mahogany and having a laminated spruce top. I'm assuming the shops that are selling these guitars have not had the benefit of some of the knowledgeable people who have posted here.

There are several reasons I'm going to trust the information gleaned from this site. First, I have three acoustic guitars; a rosewood, a mahogany and whatever the GCS6 is. The sigma's wood does not look like either of the others. Second, if dreadnought refers to size, the Sigma is not a dreadnought. When I pick it up after playing my BR-160 (a dreadnought), it feels like a ukulele. I can't figure out the top, but I interpreted SW's post as saying that anything done in the 70's would have been a solid wood…back and top. Hmmm. By the way, for others who have wondered about the value of this guitar, nobody has bid with less than a day remaining and with a minimum bid of $300.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,cstock
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 08:08 PM

I have a DR-7 that I fished out of the closet. I learned chords on it in 1972, when my dad bought it for me when I was in high school. Does anyone have the specs for that model or can tell me where to get them? It appears to be Rosewood B&S and Spruce top. It is beat up but in solid shape (some finish checks on top and plenty of dings). The nut is cracked and can be replaced and the frets need dressing and or replacement. I am considering removing the bridge plate with the adjustable angle bridge holder, with a standard Marting style bridge. The tuners need to have several mounting holes filled and tapped as they are stripped. I may replace with better tuners. Any opinions on whether the investment to fix it up would be worth it?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Steve G
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 04:29 AM

Financially probably no, but it is worth it to make it playable - the sound is superb.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 04 Feb 06 - 02:28 PM

ATT. CALLING MR. STERLING WEBB.
Sir, would you be so kind and email me at.... [e-mail]
Would like to buy an early Sigma!! Thank You, Mark

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 05 Feb 06 - 02:48 PM

I have a Sigma Les Paul Deluxe (mini-humbuckers), that I purchased used in around 1988. The headstock has the word SIGMA with the sideways "M" in mother of pearl inlay. The guitar has no markings whatsoever in the form of serial numbers. It simply has a small sticker on the back of the headstock that says "made in Japan". Does anyone out there have any information on the origin of this guitar, ie. year it may have been made, what the value might be today (it is in absolutely mint condition.
Thanks, Vic.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 06:30 AM

Vic, try this location...a "vintage" guitar shop in Sweden.

http://www.vintage-guitars.se/1970s_Sigma_LP-copy.htm

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:29 PM

Hey Vic-
'Les Paul Very rare replica by Sigma. Made in 1970 by Martin guitars (USA) in an attempt to enter the electric market. Shortly afterwards, thanks to Crosby, Stills and Nash, the company's acoustic instruments regained popularity and the electrics were discontinued. It's a glued-neck, sunburst 'Les Paul Custom' i.e. block markers/gold fittings/black scratch plate and pick up surrounds. Seymour Duncan bridge pick-up and Ibanez neck pick-up. Awesome sounds. £350 Email: [e-mail]. Ring Barry on 01438 833696. [28-Jan-06]                '

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Lee in Canada
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 10:25 AM

Hello Folks,

      I have a Sigma SEJ35B, serial # 92000016 that is absolutely mint !! This a hollow-body jazz-blues type electric guitar with F-holes very similar to the Gibson 335. I have tried "desperately" to get information on this sigma model but the Sigma dealers throughout the States and Canada seam to know very little about it. I have even called the Martin factory. From what I can gather from Martin, it has a very limited production of about 6 months in 1993, never to be produced again, sold for over $1,000 US at the time and it is considered to be a very high-end guitar. Any information about this Sigma model would be GREATLY appreciated. You can email me at [e-mail] or respond to this site. Thanks.

Subject: SIGMA SEJ35B ????
From: GUEST,Canada
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 10:28 AM

Hello Folks,

      I have a Sigma SEJ35B, serial # 92000016 that is absolutely mint !! This a hollow-body jazz-blues type electric guitar with F-holes very similar to the Gibson 335. I have tried "desperately" to get information on this sigma model but the Sigma dealers throughout the States and Canada seam to know very little about it. I have even called the Martin factory. From what I can gather from Martin, it has a very limited production of about 6 months in 1993, never to be produced again, sold for over $1,000 US at the time and it is considered to be a very high-end guitar. Any information about this Sigma model would be GREATLY appreciated. You can email me at [e-mail] or respond to this site. Thanks.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest, drg
Date: 17 Feb 06 - 08:36 PM

hi ,
i have a dr-7, s/n 4437 i bought new in greenbay , wisc about 1970-71. worked an entire summer for the money. i think it was around 170 bucks. plays like a champ. i had a martin d-18 but it did not come close to the sigma. can't explain it, it just is a darn good guitar. rosewood back and sides, spruce top with greater than 10 rings per inch, and i think a mahagony neck. if i could find another low s/n, i would buy it! it sure is nice to see so many people enjoy these guitars. i have always believed they were extrememly under-rated.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Frank in Las Vegas
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 03:02 PM

In response to the above posting by Steve Hankins, 05 Feb 04:

I have a DR-7 exactly like yours; bought it "used" in 1988 for $160 after having had to sell my Martin D-28 four years earlier, (which was kind of a "lemon" anyway). Mine also has the stamped brace (Made in Japan for C.F. Martin Co.), and the inner paper label where the serial number 037980 appears, along with the inscription, "Inspected by K. Saigo." It appears to have a solid spruce top, laminated back and sides, closed tuners that display the word "Sigma", lots of white binding, (including up the neck), and the gold "Sigma Guitars Est 1970" headstock logo. (It is interesting to note that the early Takamines from this period sported the exact logo).

This has always been a great sounding guitar; I took it to the local Guitar Center a couple years ago, and played it in the "humid room" along with the Martins. While of course it could not stand up to the higher end models, it held it's own quite nicely against the D-28 in terms of sound quality.

After finding this web, I ordered ebony bridge pins and a bone saddle from the Martin 1833 shop; the sound quality is much improved! (A nice $40 investment).

Regarding the serial numberings: your's is 024680, mine is 037980. I surmise our guitars were manufactured in 1980; your's is the 24th guitar of the month of June, mine is the 37th of the month of September. (I would like to hear Mr. Webb's view).

While I have my eye on one of the higher end Maritns, (HD-28V), this Sigma is definitely a "keeper".

Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,Jesus
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 09:48 PM

I own a sigma guitar EST 1970 CF Martin & Company established 1970.
Model CS3 Serial No. SK 233431. It is in a great shape (I really like it and it is not for sale). Is it a Martin manufatured guitar? I love my guitar and want to know more about it.

Sincerely,


A Martin lover guitar.


Jesus Davila

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,flyfish
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 09:59 PM

I have a sigma DR-15 what is it worth thank's. ps made in japan

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Leo
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 09:22 AM

Flyfish,

      Email me if you're thinking of selling it. [e-mail]

Thanks,

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: jorsark
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 05:19 PM

Flyfish

Like to have a chance at your DR-15. Email me a price. Thank You,
    [e-mail]

Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,bryan in north carolina
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 07:45 PM

I have a sigma made by martin dr15 made in japan .like everything eles when was it made? thank's

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 03:41 AM

Do Sigma guitars have dovetail neck joints?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Mike
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 06:01 PM

I have two sigmas that i will be selling Early DR-7 with the sideways E and a 2DR-35 that appears to be made from two different woods the 7 is stock and has a high action as the neck sees to be pulling slightly from the body but would be fixable and the 35 is close to pristine and has a brand new fishman in it by a very well established Martin luthier in Portland. I will check back here to see if there is interest and get some pictures ready by the end of March 06.We now are playing Martins (D-42 and D-28 Marquis) that replaced the pair of 35s we were playing.Sold one already.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Canada
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 10:20 AM

Hey Mike,

      I may be interested in your DR35. Send me some pictures and an accurate description. I'm in Ontario, Canada.

      You can email me at [e-mail]

Kind regards,

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Topwrench
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 10:50 AM

I purchased a Picador 12 string in 1975 new, and later found the sideways M on the head when the picador label peeled off. The paper label on the inside has been long gone, but it is a sweet playing, beautiful sounding instrument. It has a deep body and long neck, but I have no idea what the model is or what it is worth. Can anyone tell me anything about this guitar?? To me it is a wonderful instrument and well worth hanging on to.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Topwrench
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 11:02 AM

Addendum to previous post- The instrument has a rosewood body and solid face. I bought it while in college from a Martin guitar dealer. He told me it was a martin product. All info appreciated. Thanks.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sigma Owner
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 01:29 PM

Sigma DR-7S for sale on eBay right now. Dreadnaught Sunburst. bid is at $199.00 with 5 days left! eBay Item # 7397787873

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,djs
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 03:12 PM

any info on my sigma dr45 would be great ser# r839341 made in japan, burned in logo inside on brace. 80s maybe? says sigma guitars est. 1970 on headstock. like new condition. value? thx djs.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Daddog
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 10:45 AM

Hello everyone!!! What a wonderful morning to learn about "One of my New Hobbies"!!!! Purchased but yet to receive a DM-4 off eBay for $50.00 with a paper label from Korea out of curiosity!!! It's in the mail so I'm yet to see the headstock or look for a stamp. Anxiously awaiting her arrival and can't wait to put fresh strings on!!! Anyone have any suggestions on string weight, type, etc.?
Keep up the wonderful posts and hopefully I'll be able to help as well!!!!
Daddog

Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,Julius Lim
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 08:13 AM

I just bought a sigma TB1 today and im loving it.
id like to know more about its onboard electronics. can you tell me something?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,JoJo
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 08:47 PM

I have a Smegma guitar, and it always makes my fingers sticky when I play it.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest Tracy
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 04:32 AM

I just inherited my dad's old acoustic guitar when I told him I wanted to learn how to play. I'm curious to learn more about it. The guitar has a sigma guitars logo on the pegboard, but not as old fashioned and thick-lettered as the 1970 model, but it was a gift to him at graduation in 1975...The inside says DR-7 and the martin guitars stamp, but that's all the information I can find. The back of the guitar has a division up the middle, white with a triangles pattern in it...can anyone help me out here?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Daddog
Date: 06 Apr 06 - 09:17 AM

Tracey...I'm still learning about Sigma's and you can find out much info on this thread. Look at what S. Webb/Sterling Webb has posted about the history of Sigmas here and learn. Seeing pictures would help ID the guitar so feel free to email them to me The DR-7 are top of the line in the 70's. Read the above messages and enjoy...sounds like a nice guitar if it is intact...I have 2 of them!!!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 11:00 PM

I used a DM-4 sigma for a number of years and found it to be an excellent player--Had a buddy who used to visit me once a year and he was a great guitar player and had expensive instruments-He would put down his instrument and take up the DM-4-I finally sold it to him-I always used LIGHT STRINGS

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Lee in Canada
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 08:18 PM

Hello Folks,

      This is a copy of a previous post. I still haven't heard from anyone so I'll try it again.

   
      I have a Sigma SEJ35B, serial # 92000016 that is absolutely mint !! This a hollow-body jazz-blues type electric guitar with F-holes very similar to the Gibson 335. I have tried "desperately" to get information on this sigma model but the Sigma dealers throughout the States and Canada seam to know very little about it. I have even called the Martin factory. From what I can gather from Martin, it has a very limited production of about 6 months in 1993, never to be produced again, sold for over $1,000 US and it is considered to be a very high-end guitar. Any information about this Sigma model would be GREATLY appreciated. You can email me at [e-mail] or respond to this site. Thanks.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 06 - 07:45 AM

From Steve's Music site:
SIGMA,SEJ-35 JAZZ
MAHOGANY/SPRUCE TOP, 2 DOUBLE-COIL PU's, RED OR BLACK, ELGUIT 1993 - 1993 ...
Refer to Orion Blue Book, which, for $4.00 at Steve's Music will indicated the estimated value of your guitar. I found the same source at my local library some years ago.
-----
Other info about Sigma Electrics

Japanese Martins
Martin's first era of flirtation with electrics ended with its GTs, and, in terms of American production, wouldn't resume until a decade later. However, in 1970 Martin joined the growing list of American manufacturers to begin importing guitars made in Japan, introducing its Sigma series. In around 1973, Martin, like competitors Guild and Gibson, began importing a line of Sigma solidbody electrics made in Japan by Tokai.

Like virtually all Japanese-made guitars from that era, Martin Sigma solidbodies were basically copies of other American models. Martin Sigmas employed slightly different headstock designs, unlike many copies carrying Japanese brand names, but essentially these are similar to most other of these early copies.

In 1974 Martin Sigma electrics included two SGs, a Tele and a Fender bass. The SBG2-6 was pretty much a straightforward SG copy with a bolt-on neck, center-peaked three-and-three head, block inlays, large pickguard, twin humbuckers, finetune bridge, and stop tailpiece, in cherry. The SBG2-9 was pretty cool, with a natural-finished plywood body, white pickguard, rosewood fingerboard with white block inlays, gold hardware and Bigsby. The SBF2-6 was a Tele with rosewood fingerboard, three-and-three head, block inlays, neck humbucker and bridge single-coil. The SBB2-8 was the bass, with natural finished body, three-and-three head, rosewood 'board, block inlays, white 'guard, and two humbucking pickups.

Martin's Sigma electrics fared hardly better than its own electric guitar designs of the '60s. After little more than a year, the electrics were dropped from the Sigma line. The Japanese companies' own replicas, of course, did swimmingly well.

Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From:
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:38 PM

what is the best sigma guitar to buy for the $150 price range ??

Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 03:27 PM

I've been all over the place looking for information.
I have a Picador (Sigma) hollow body accoustic electric.
Aside from the Picador medallion (covering badly damaged gold lettering (SIGMA) and the pearloid Greek letter sigma on the headstock there are no other marks at all!

Description:
Double cutaway;
2-single coil pickups;
vibrato (not M or V);
2-black tophat knobs (1 volume the other tone) one located on the left side of the f hole the other on the right;
Garish red and yellow pick guard that is screwed directly to the body;
2 white on/off switches on the pick guard;
Body is dark brown, solid front and back and seems to be laminate;
Body is bound top, bottom and neck with what appears to be ivory but is probably plastic;
Three on a side tuners, chromed metal;
Neck seems to be bolt-on;
m.o.p. dot inlays on fingerboard (can't tell what kind of wood)

The only other information I can provide is that I purchased it at auction in Wilmington, N.C. sometime between 1994-1996. That close to Camp LeJeune I'm pretty sure it is Japanese or Korean. I don't really care how much it's worth. I'd just like to know what year, make and model. Please Help!

I'll post pictures as soon as I read the FAQ on how to do so.

Thanks,
Chief Chaos

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From:
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 08:22 PM

My grandfather gave me his Sigma 12 string a few years ago. I have a beautiful Martin guitar, and the Sigma has just been sitting in the case. Now, I'm interested in selling it, but I have no idea what it is worth. The stamp on the inside says DT12-4, it is a 12 string, the headstock says SIGMA est. 1970 in something that bears resemblance to mother of pearl. It has sunburst sides, back, and front. It is in excellent condition, though I did have to replace one of the original bridge pins when I got it. No dings or dents, and the neck still retains its shape. Anyone have any idea on what is approximate value might be?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,brian
Date: 29 Apr 06 - 02:21 PM

I just bought a Sigma 12 string dr12-7 for $100. To me it was definately worth it. It sounds great, plays great. I'm assuming I got a good deal? any info greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 01 May 06 - 11:09 AM

Transplanted from older dead thread:

I've been all over the place looking for information.
I have a Picador (Sigma) hollow body accoustic electric.
Aside from the Picador medallion (covering badly damaged gold lettering (SIGMA) and the pearloid Greek letter sigma on the headstock there are no other marks at all!

Description:
Double cutaway;
2-single coil pickups;
vibrato (not M or V);
2-black tophat knobs (1 volume the other tone) one located on the left side of the f hole the other on the right;
Garish red and yellow pick guard that is screwed directly to the body;
2 white on/off switches on the pick guard;
Body is dark brown, solid front and back and seems to be laminate;
Body is bound top, bottom and neck with what appears to be ivory but is probably plastic;
Three on a side tuners, chromed metal;
Neck seems to be bolt-on;
m.o.p. dot inlays on fingerboard (can't tell what kind of wood)

The only other information I can provide is that I purchased it at auction in Wilmington, N.C. sometime between 1994-1996. That close to Camp LeJeune I'm pretty sure it is Japanese or Korean. I don't really care how much it's worth. I'd just like to know what year, make and model. Please Help!

I'll post pictures as soon as I read the FAQ on how to do so.

Thanks,
Chief Chaos

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Chuck
Date: 11 May 06 - 08:31 AM

Great thread. Thought I'd add to the knowledge base. My Sigma is a 52SGCS-4,#12930, Made in Japan. I bought this guitar new in June 1976. That is 3 years earlier than Sterling mentioned in his post regarding the 52s series. This guitar sounds fantastic. Sweet and rich. It's my one guitar that will never be sold. I have to fight my 15 year old daughter for it when I want to play it. Hope this info helps.

Chuck

Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,the oldin days
Date: 13 May 06 - 06:09 PM

i played a black sigma bass for about 8 years.it had twow small pickups staggered close to one another (it was a solidbody)cutaway
it was one of the best basses i ever owned after putting it through many rough gigs and abuse i stopped playing music for a while and sold it now i was wondering if anyone might be able to tell me how to find another one i can't find crap about them through the search engines.

thanx

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,EMA
Date: 16 May 06 - 10:41 AM

When I was a child, my grandfather bought me a Sigma Martin Classical Guitar made of Rosewood and with ornately carved tuning pegs that looked like mother of pearl. It had to have been one of the first models, as my grandfather died in 1970.

In a misguided effort to simplify my life about ten years ago, I gave it away to a friend's son, but now that my own son is studying guitar, I wish I had it again. Is there any way for me to identify what model it was, find a similar vintage model, and figure out how much to spend???

Thanks,
Emily

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 05:52 PM

Hello I've got a Sigma DM-5 made in Japan and has Serial NO 73071466.

It has got the gold plain sigma head-sign and an ebony M on it.

I always thought it was not much of a guitar (although it sounds good), almost gave it away to a friend.

Question:
Is it all solid?
What year was it made?

Thx!

Frank

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dave B.
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 06:45 AM

Great info here!

I just bought a Sigma DR-11 exactly as described in an above post by J. Kaufman on June 16, 05. Same 3 piece back and lots of mother of pearl around the sound hole, the body binding and down the neck. I am a total novice and got the guitar at a pawn shop with a new hard case (that they threw in) which also contained an electric tuner, a sling, a Dean something wooden microphone pickup thingy that goes across the sound hole and a couple of picks. I am teaching myself to play and my daughter and wife are both learning too. Got the works for $179.00 so I expect I did all right eh?

I'm interested in learning more about the DR-11 and it's rarity/production numbers.

Also, several mentions have been made about installing bone nuts, and ebony pins. Where would I look to find these? I'm handy as heck with making about anything and I was wondering about making a nut from something like a piece of deer antler. It would be a piece of cake for me I think, I just don't know about the sound qualities but bone is bone more or less....aint it?

p.s.

Mr. Webb, where are you???????????

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 03:32 PM

What does the GCR stand for? I am guessing the 'R' is rosewood. But what about the GC; anyone know?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,The medic
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:24 PM

I believe it's "Grand Concert"..... A Folk sized guitar.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jmagro
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 09:39 PM

I have a DR-7 which I bought in 1971. The guitar was in mint condition unfortunately, it was on my guitar stand and the cats jumped off there tower and knocked the guitar down; it broke the neck. I took it to have it repaired but you can still see the crack. Should I leave it as is or replace the neck? (I'have played the guitar so much, the fretboard now has deeps grooves on it) I'm wondering if it would diminish the value of the guitar..

Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 08:06 AM

The Sigma DR41. Is it any good. How does it compare to a taylor

Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: Scrump
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 09:38 AM

I wouldn't expect a Sigma to be better than a Taylor but I'd be interested to hear from anyone who thinks I'm wrong. I guess it depends on the models you compare, but I have a Sigma and it's pretty good for what it cost me, but I very much doubt it's as good as a Taylor (although I've never got close enough to a Taylor to try one).

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Richard
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 03:33 PM

Anyone know what the GCR stands for?
thanks,
Richard

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,georbro
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 12:20 PM

I own a Sigma DR-11 that is appointed exactly as described in Dave B.'s post of July 15th, 2006; J. Kaufman's post dated June 16th, 2005 and Sterling Webb's post of November 3rd, 2004 where he states that he had heard the DR-11 was the rarest Sigma model.

Adam St. James, who is or was the editor of Guitar.com, owns a Sigma DR-11 as well. In a product review for the Fishman Aura that Adam wrote for Guitar.com, he describes the Sigma DR-11 as a "beautifully appointed, lower-priced version" of Martin's D-45. Mine looks exactly like a D-45 with the exception of the 3 piece rosewood back and bracing. If anyone knows how to contact Adam, he may be able to shed some light on the value and rarity of this guitar. My emails to him have kicked back as undeliverable.

This thread is the only place I have ever found in the twenty five years I have owned my DR-11 where it has ever been mentioned. I have had numerous Martin dealers tell me that the model number never existed.

I am very interested in establishing a value range for the DR-11 in mint condition with an original hardshell factory case.

Does anyone have any idea other than the original cost in 1980 of around $400?

Please advise,

George E. Brown III

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,The medic
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 09:42 PM

If you're thinking of sellig, I got 20 bucks for ya....lol. (Sorry). Your best bet is to place it on ebay where thousands upon thousands of whatchers will dictate the actual value. Many believe that guitars usually sell for pretty much what they are actually worth on ebay. Email me some pictures, if the price is right, I might be interested myself. [e-mail]

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dave B
Date: 16 Sep 06 - 10:02 PM

Hey georbro, is your Sigma solid or laminate top? When I got mine I thought it was a solid top but after having it outside in sunlight one day I figured out that it is a laminate top. (Mild bummer for value but I still love the sound) I'm guessing mine may be from right around the transition time from Japan to Korea as it's stamped made in Japan but the number on the neck block has a K in front of it. Of course, that may be coincidence? I just bought some Martin acoustic SP 80/20 bronze strings for it today but have not put them on yet.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,georbro
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 03:27 PM

DaveB,

My Sigma DR-11 has a two piece spruce top with a seam so fine you can barely see it. The giveaway is the change in hue and grain right next to the seam. It does not seem to impact the sound enough to tell that it is not a single piece of spruce.

The "K" on your neck next to the serial number is not likely for Korea, mine has a "K" as well and during that era the Sigma guitars were being made solely in Japan. Later they were moved to Taiwan and the quality suffered, but I have never heard of any made in Korea.

By the way, I did get in touch with Adam St. James, but he could not relate any information about his Sigma DR-11 other than when and where and how much he purchased it for. He suggested vintage guitar dealers and a website called Gbase.com. I looked for one on Gbase and returned a big fat nothing, so the guitar is as rare as we believe it is.

Adam St. James has a cool new website where he reviews musicians new releases and sells some very good books about guitars, vocals, recording, lead styles, etc. It is simply AdamStJames.com.

Thanks for asking about my DR-11,

George E. Brown III

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,georbro
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 03:35 PM

Medic,

Unfortunately I have to disagree with you about the fairness of value pricing on ebay these days, ebay is not what it once was and a lot of folks have discontinued using it for more than reasons of just price.

Ebay has become a bargain hunters forum where value means little and the lowest price means everything. In the case of the Sigma DR-11, it is likely so rare that there may not be much demand for it at all because it is virtually unknown.

I had an idea one time about starting a website called "ConsignmentMusic.com" and even researched the name only to find that someone in Mississippi had the name reserved already. It was a simple idea where sellers could pay a small fee to post photos of their items and then deal directly with potential buyers via email. This concept has been extremely successful in the audiophile quality audio and video arena. I do not know why no one has done it for musicians yet.

I still cannot establish a reasonable value for the guitar yet, but I am working on it. When I do, I will let you know first.

George E. Brown III

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Sep 06 - 03:15 PM

I think the DM-4Y is a youth model with a shorter scale.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bobby
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 06:09 AM

Hey, I hope Webby's alright. The last time he posted anything here was Jun 05. Shit, I hope he's OK! I learnt a lot of stuff of that dude, not just about Sigmas. Though Sigma guitars was obviously the impetus. Come back Webby, if your still there? If not, I'll catch you up later:-)

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,lisa
Date: 12 Oct 06 - 10:27 AM

I have an Sigma 10th anniversary acoustic guitar and am trying to asses it's value for resale. Any ideas? Thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Lisa
Date: 12 Oct 06 - 10:32 AM

I forgot to mention in my email that the Sigma 10th anniversary acoustic Ihave is a DM-18 model withsolid top and a few extra inlays with "Anniversary" inlay on the neck and some diamond inlays on the bridge. Built in 1980. Aain, looking for resalle value. It has hardly been used. Thanks.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Scrump
Date: 12 Oct 06 - 10:33 AM

I have a DM1-ST (? IIRC, haven't got it in front of me to check), made in Korea. Considering what it cost me (not a lot) I think it has been exceptional value and better than a lot of guitars I've tried costing several times as much, but not as good as the Martins I've tried.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bob in NE OH
Date: 12 Oct 06 - 03:33 PM

Wow! I've been trying to find some info on my Sigma guitar for a year or so and, as has been said by others, I've learned more in this thread than anywhere else. It's a DT-3 model probably from the mid-80s and I'm pretty sure it's a laminate but it sounds great to me. It's acoustic/electric and I play it through an old Fender Musicmaster bass amp. The tubes really give it a warm sound. It really doesn't quite stand up against my friend's all solidwood Blueridge BR-160 though. The best thing about mine is the appearance. The top (layer anyway) is kind of an orange colored sunburst in flamed maple. Also has a matching flamed maple headstock with gold colored Grover tuners (not original) The bridge pins are brass and have tops that match the flamed maple of the soundboard and headstock (even showing a "grain"). Beautiful guitar. Probably not worth much money-wise but that has no meaning to me since it was given to me by my friend for my 40th b-day.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,julian
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 07:40 PM

I would like to talk to you about that Anniversary Sigma. Please call me at [phone]

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Paul
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 06:34 PM

I own a Sigma DR-11 as well. Would love to know more about it.

Subject: GCS - 6
From: GUEST,shona
Date: 04 Nov 06 - 05:19 PM

We lucked out and found a GCS-6 at a garage sale.

Like Don at the Bay, we were also looking for info on it and can't find any.

It's the mystery model, it seems.

Anyone know how much it's worth, drop me a line (sblack2 AT uwo.ca)

Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 06:50 AM

I have a sigma dcm-18 (rosewood cutaway) bought it in 1993 in manchester, UK. Best acoustic guitar i've ever owned in fact. Now in 2006Hope to purchase the Sigma SDR-41 very soon. Can anyone give me info on it? Thanks!

Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,davesg1
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:37 PM

trying to find info on a SDR-28. Made in Korea. also has the letter "C" marked into the back brace. Head reads "Sigma est 1970"

Anything would help. If you have any knowledge, my e-mail address is [e-mail]

Thanks

Dave

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,davesg
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:52 PM

Like others, this is about the only thread I have seen dealing with Sigma's. I recently was given a Sigma SDR-28, made in Korea. I would like to find out more about it. the only information I have found suggests that it was made sometime between 1987-1991. There is a "C" stamped on the back brace. Someone suggested in this thread that it might stand for cutaway, but mine is not a cutaway. It appears to have a solid top. If it isn't, someone did a fine job of matching the pieces. I has the Sigma Guitars inlayed with mop and a gold colored est 1970 underneith it. I haven't seen anything in this thread that mentions the "S" before the DR-28. Any information would be appreciated.   

My e-mail address is [e-mail]

Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 03:24 PM

Sigmas can be all over the place in quality and sound. The ones to look for have the inlaid name plate and made in japan. I have had two now, the D18 clone was absolutely wonderful and I deeply regret ever having sold it. I now have a DR28 which is something of a D28 clone, laminated back and sides, V neck. Its OK but not a patch on the old 18 model, or for that matter my martins.

I also had a korean one - yuck. Heavy, laminated top, and a transfer logo. Flicked it immediately it was rubbish.

Looks like go for the older you can, and make sure you test it. the good ones are 90% of a martin, for pocket money prices.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dave B
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 10:54 AM

You guys with the DR-11's, when I asked about the solid spruce top, I was refering to laminate vs. solid not single piece vs. a splice down the center. Mine is laminate top but it sure sounds good. Just wondering of some were solid top.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SIGMA DJ-7
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 08:21 AM

I have one of the Sigma DJ-7's and would love to learn more about it. If Mr. Webb still follows this thread please contact me.

Thanks!

Scott
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jai
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 07:34 PM

hi...i hav a martin sigma and model number is GC1ST serial is 8050280.can any one give me some history on the guitar as i hav just started playing and would like some info on it...Thanks!!!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,tlmksm93
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 11:17 AM

YEAH, I GOT MY DAD'S GUITAR WHEN HE PASSED AWAY AND IT IS A DM-2 WITH HTE SERIAL #9302000278 JUST WONDERING WHAT IT IS WORTH? I WOULDN'T SELL IT FOR NOTHING TO SPECIAL TO MY HEART SOMETIMES WHEN I'M PLAYING IT REMINDS WHEN I WAS A KID AND MY DAD AND HIS BROTHERS PLAYING WHEN THEY WERE SITTING AROUND HAVING A GOOD TIME,SO LIKE I WAS JUST WONDERING IF ANYBODY KNOWS WHAT IT IS WORTH,EVEN THOUGH IT'S PRICELESS TO ME!!!!

Subject: RE: sigma 335 guitar
From: GUEST,WAYNE FORD
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 04:59 AM

HI, I HAVE A SIGMA 335 WHICH I HAVE RECENTLY ACQUIRED, BLONDE WITH GOLD HARDWARE,BLOCK INLAYS ROSEWOOD BOARD,FINISH AND CRAFTSMANSHIP IS FLAWLESS,IT IS ABSOLUTELY MINT WITH CASE, PLAYS BETTER THAN THE TWO 60'S GIBSON 335'S I HAVE OWNED, WOULD APRECIATE ANY INFO AND DETAILS ABOUT THE GUITAR. THANKS!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,RVT
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 02:49 PM

I have a DR-11 I bought in Chicago in 1982 or so I seem to remember paying a litle less than $400.00.   130354 K under the number.   It had s been through the mill, sort of worn in the sound hole from using a pick up but it's all original and I play it all the time. It sounds sweet an looks like a much more expensive guitar (that's been not too gently used.)

I would have sworn it was 1 piece but I look REAL close and found the seam down the center of the top-this after 28 year of playing it. I love it and wouldn't part with it.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,rvt
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 03:27 PM

The number stamped inside on the back strut in S 94289 and 13354 k on the neck inside.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 06:52 PM

Just picked up a Sigma Martin USA DR28Folks this is a 1981 or 1982 Genuine Martin D-28. It sounds awesome! How many did Martin actcually make in USA? What's the deal?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,S
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 09:35 AM

I have a Sigma guitar and I can't find anything on it: Model is 0RC-40, Serial SE12708. It is shaped EXACTLY as a Les Paul. I baught it more than 20 years ago and remembered I payed aroung $800 Canadian. There is a piezo pickup under the bridge with a tone and volume control.

It is very hard to play; the strings are very hard to bend and the frets are thinner than a hair. I wonder if a luthier can make it play like butter?

S.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 10:38 AM

I just bought but have not picked up yet a DR 7.   japan ser 23178. Is this one of the good originals, I paid $120, good price?   headstock has the large SIGMA script with the greek symbol above not the martin lookalike writing

Neil

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 02:59 PM

Hey Neil,

      120 bones for a vintage Japanese DR-7 is a smokin' deal !!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,guest scott
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 02:19 PM

I have just purchased an SDR-35. It is in wondrful condition. I may entertain thoughts of selling this guitar, if the price is right. You can E-mail me at [e-mail] , All I have been able to find out so far is was made between 1987 and 1991.Maybe you can help me find out more specifics.Truthfully its probably not going to be sold. It sounds, plays and looks awesome.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,fret nut
Date: 22 Dec 06 - 11:23 PM

Picked up my $120 Jap Dr-7. Mint condition think it's a 78. ser #23178   Its all laminate but absolutely amazing rosewood back and sides. the back is flamed at a 45 angle and wild to look at    it looks way better from the back than the front. best part is the sound though even though its all laminate the bass is awesome and the top end rings like a bell. i'd like to add a pickup to this one   any suggestions

Neil

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,doremient
Date: 03 Jan 07 - 12:20 AM

My husband has a SBG2-6 that he got from a friend about 15 years ago. He never thought anything about it. He recently started doing searches online for info on sigma's and the SBG2-6. There isn't much info we can find on it except that it is a rare electric.
Anybody out there have any more info on this model?
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bill
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 11:48 PM

This is the ONLY page on Google to come up from my search for Sigma 52SRD-9. I have had serial number 18239 since 1978 when I bought it from a high school buddy (I think he bought it new, or maybe used.)

In the 80's had passive pickups put it (Martin brand) and played it to lead music for youth groups on and off. Now, 26 years or so later, I upgraded the pickups. I think its sound compares to ANYTHING I have heard amped.

This model has the sideways "M" or "sigma" in pearl above the gold block letters as have been described earlier. This is a solid top for sure, and I am about 90% sure the three-piece back is also sold (I can see the grain through the sound hole that I believe matches that of the back (rosewood).

This is a flat-picker, finger-picker's dream guitar!

Oh, not for sale. Just thought I'd see if anyone knew actual year info--I KNOW it is over 29 years old, since I have had it that long.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dan the weatherman
Date: 21 Jan 07 - 04:24 PM

For about 10 years I've owned a Sigma Guitar. I've always wanted to know more about it. (long story short) A man gave it to me.

The inside label reads:

Sigma Guitars
C.F. Martin & Company
Model: CFM - 12N
Serial No. 891000014

(not sure about the last digit, looks like a 4 but may not be)

Made in Korea

Anyone with information, or know a souce to check, please
let me know.

Dan the weatherman
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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,dekcat
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 04:31 PM

anyone know anything about the models with just sigma & a sideways m on the headstock & an approx value. any help would be appreciated

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 08:54 PM

Hi Dekcat

      Email me with the model number. [e-mail]

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,daddog
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 04:34 PM

Hello Dekcat,
I will probably be able to point you in the right direction concerning your Sigma....give me an email @ [e-mail] and I'll give you some information!!
Thanks,
Daddog

Subject: RE: sigma guitar
From: GUEST,Meg
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 02:51 PM

Anyone know what the Sigma black cutaway TBNYB very good conditionis worth these days?

Thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Redeye
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 11:38 AM

I have a Sigma/Martin solid body electric guitar (Stratocaster style) purchased new in 2001 from a little music store in Billings, Montana. Can anyone provide me with some information about it (model, value)? I have seen a couple on ebay, but they didn't list a model. It is tabacco sunburst finish with a white pickguard. It's serial number is S99090155 and is made in Korea. Has "Sigma Established 1970" on it. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Redeye

Subject: Sterling Webb sighting
From: fret nut
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 09:00 AM

Mr Webb. has posted info on a Levin Sigma on an ebay (Feb 9 2007) listing. So he's still around it seems. Or someone is playing games

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Doctor J
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 09:56 PM

Mr. Sterling Webb (Sigma Expert)

You probably get tired of all the e-mails requesting your expertise but it is obvious to me you may be the only one in the USA with such knowledge. I have a seen your comments on the DR-7 as being one of the most desireable Sigmas. I bought a Sigma DR-8 second handed around 1982-83. It has the paper sticker made in Japan in the sound hold. The serial is 34912. The headstock has the Sigma Guitars est 1970 in script and the headstock is bound in white iveroid. The tuners are chromb and are enclosed. It has the usual nicks, for the age but is still a beautiful guitar and is a pure cannon. I have three taylors, a Larivee and have played with a lots of Martins and this Sigma is no slouch. Please sir, if you know anything about this paticular model please let me know.

Thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,c fordson
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 06:19 AM

Blueridge Guitars


any info on the Blueridge line of guitars, as shown above?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Craig
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 04:09 PM

I just bought a Sigma DR 12-7 in good to very good shape* i was wandering if anyone knew what it's worth???????

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Craig
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 08:05 PM

oh ya the serial # is 8182

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 06:01 AM

I just bought a Sigma of Martin and Company Made in Japan. Serial # 8182. Model Dr-12-7 with what I believe to be the original hard case. This guitar has the paper sticker inside and the Sigma name on the head is not like the others It just says sigma in bold lettering with a mother of pearl, sideways (M) obove it?
It plays awesome and has sustain for days and seems to be in good to very good condition.
Does any one know what it could be worth?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,fret nut
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 09:49 AM

Hey Craig    It sounds like a good one 1st generation japanese. Need more info as to construction, solid/laminate??? etc.   12's generally don't fetch as much as 6 strings but given it's age (70-79)( serial #is low so it wiil probably be 75 or earlier). I'm thinking between $300-$400 subject to inspection. If anyone else wants to jump in here giddyup. I own a 1st gen dr -7 6 string (not for sale) and i have seen them go for up to $600 mint on ebay. A good guitar if its structurally sound.

Neil

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jerry allen 312
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 10:25 PM

i bought a mint dr-7 from ebay absoluty perfect finish no scratches or dents of any kind. i have it at the luthier getting it set up right. ser no is 7128 has side way m above sigma and o fret at the nut. i was under the impression these were solid wood guitars but luthier says it is lamanite. i would surley appriciate any thought on this gang. thanks jerry

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,fret nut
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 10:14 PM

Jerry   they are usually solid , but I also have an all laminate DR-7. Not to worry   the sound is not audibily different to 99 out of 100 ears. Arguably laminates wll stay sraighter/longer than solid woods, given the solids are more prone to warpage.

I would not trade mine for a solid at this time, (It's also one of the first gen sigmas)   Yours is a valuable instument enjoy it and rest assured laminate or solid you own a very fine music maker

Neil

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 08:55 AM

c.fordson, you asked about the Blueridge guitars. I bought a BR160 about a year ago. The inlay, banjo sized headstock and "aged" (call it yellow) coloration on the guitars top are a bit much, in my opinion. But man is this guitar a cannon. Solid rosewood body and solid spruce top (that doesn't match up all that well) make it a real deal at about $500. Google the model you want and you'll find a better deal than the site you have posted. I got mine from a shop in Kentucky. Though I am very leary about online guitar purchases, the salesperson said I could send it back if I didn't like it (a thing I have done with other guitar purchases), but he insisted I'd keep it. He was right.

As a side note, I was offered about the same amount of money that I paid for the BR160 for my gcs-6 discussed on this site, and there is simply no comparison between the guitars. I have 4 guitars laying around my house (washburn and gibson) and I ALWAYS go find the Blueridge...though I will still never part with the gcs, as that's the guitar I grew up with. I expect that in 35 years folks will be discussing their BR's in much the same manner they speak of Sigmas here.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,PAF Man
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 11:21 AM

I have a Sigma SBF2-6 -- the Tele copy. I would put it in 7.5/10 shape, with the important things just fine: neck's straight, no cracks, etc. It does not have the original pickguard, however. Does anyone know whether a Tele guard will fit this (a guard with the humbucker hole in the neck, of course). Another question: By the time I'm done with this, it'll have a new pickguard and a new pot or two, plus non-original volume and tone knobs (although they match the originals). How much will this affect the value? Or are these interchangeable without hurting value?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Lonhoiden
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 06:30 PM

I got two Sigmas, one DM-5 Japan made, wich is a very nice guitar, and a DR-2wich I find a mighty fine instrument. This has the Pearl inlay logo on the headstock and a paper etiquette inside with Sigma made for Martin etc. and the serial number. I can't find any info on place of production on this one anyone who can help.

Subject: Info on Martin Sigma electric guitars?
From: GUEST,PAF Man
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:18 PM

I have a Martin Sigma SBF2-6 Tele copy. I have done all the Web research I can, and I know that they were made in 1973-4 -- the only year Martin made this generation of electrics. They were Tokai guitars, actually, and are supposed to be wonderful instruments. Mine's a not-quite-as-pristine version of this one, that sold on eBay recently. I'm wondering if anyone else is a collector/maven of Martin Sigma electrics?

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-TELE-C-F-MARTIN-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-MADE-BY-TOKAI_W0QQitemZ140080509384QQihZ004QQcategoryZ119094QQcmdZViewItem

Subject: RE: sigma guitar, SG-7
From: owain
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:51 PM

Hi, i'm looking at a sigma SG-7, i belive it to be a gibson copy from the late 70's / early 80's. I've only found a result on goole for a SG-5 on this site, the others were funnily enough in sweden. What i would like to ask is are they any good in the scheme of things, what would their value be and any history to boot would be awesome.
Cheers,
Owain.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Michele
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:45 AM

Hallo from Barcelona, Spain.
all the people have tried my end 80' SigmaGuitars DM2 (or 3, it is not well stamped)n° 232209, made in Korea n° 2, most of them much better player than me, recognized the good sound and quality of this guitar. Recently I started again to play this guitar whith new set of good quality thin cords: it's a fantastic guitar in sounds and aspects. Very proud of the circa 150$ I spent in Italy (my country) at that time, a big effort for a 18 years old guy loking for his first acoustic guitar: so, doubly proud and happy to have found this forum of SigmaGuitars estimators.
Thank to all writers for the precious information I have found here.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Nettleton at hartford.edu
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:27 PM

Hey Sterling,

   I'm looking to get a sigma guitar, and I stumbled across a sigma martin SDR-28S I was just wondering if you or anyone could let me know what it may sound like?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dano
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 01:04 PM

I have 1 Dr-7 with the paper label and the inverted m on the headstock..all the above info is very helpful..looks like I have a good one..just wondering if anyone could decifer the serial number for the rest of the picture..# 75100202

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jerryallen 312
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 10:20 PM

hey neil i got the dr-7 back from the luthier today, plays like a dream sounds good for the money.[ but] not nearly as good as my 52 d-18. however it plays eaiser than the martin and all in all im a happy guy, thanks for the come back on the last message, made me feel a lot better about my purchase of the dr-7 ,again thank you. jerry

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 10 Mar 07 - 01:07 PM

Jerry    Glad you are happy. I knew you would be. By the way ,what type and guage strings did your luthier suggest?

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,jerryallen312
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 09:04 PM

light guage martins, eaiser on the fingers and guitar. thanks jerry

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Dave Talbott - Richmond, VA USA
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 02:55 AM

Sterling Webb - Your Articles have been golden to me. I have purchased 6 of your most recommended guitars so far - and am seriously interested in more information. I remember that you were acquiring a number of older catalogues, books, etc. on Sigmas - and am interested in a more direct contact with you. Please write me if you're willing - at:
    [e-mail]    Thanks! Dave

Subject: RE: sigma guitars - STERLING WEBB contact needed
From: GUEST,Dave Talbott - Richmond, VA USA
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 02:58 AM

Sterling Webb - Your Articles have been golden to me. I have purchased 6 of your most recommended guitars so far - and am seriously interested in more information. I remember that you were acquiring a number of older catalogues, books, etc. on Sigmas - and am interested in a more direct contact with you. Please write me if you're willing - at:
    [e-mail]    Thanks! Dave

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,elif
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 02:41 PM

hi from İstanbul, TURKEY,
i've got a sigmaguitar,1970, martin and co.made in Korea.electroacoustic.serienumber isn't written.
i cannot find knowledge about it.if you know something, write me.
thanks
ELİF

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Jimj Nugent Maple Glen, PA
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 12:16 PM

I have a Sigma DR28H, ser. 42508, made in Japan. I purchased the guitar in the early '80s. Anybody out there know the value of this beautiful piece. I haven't touched it in at least 20 years. It's in excellent shape. Thanks in advance for any help.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Josh
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 10:31 AM

I have a Martin Sigma with the Sideways "M" on the headstock. It does not, however, have the block gold foil SIGMA... just the inlaid M. I can't seem to find a picture that is similar on Google. Any ideas? I will check the serial and make when I get home, but if this headstock design sounds familiar, I would love any info anyone might have.

Thanks,
j

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Alex
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 02:18 AM

I have a Sigma model 52SDR-7 that was bought new by my father and given to me. According to the brief history early on in this thread, these models were made in small numbers from 79-81, and were made entirely out of "strange" laminates. I'm somewhat confused however. As far as I can tell, the guitar is made out of all solid woods. It has the first generation logo on the headstock and a paper label. The serial number is only five digits (127070, all of the numbers I've seen posted here (I confess I didn't read them all) were six. Anyone know what the story might be here? The guitar sounds great and is still in near perfect condition after 30 years of 12 gauge string tension. The only evidence of wear is a slightly worn fretboard and a slight bulging of the top behind the bridge (which I'm having looked at tomorrow). In the last few months (most likely from my recent move from humid Miami to arid Blacksburg, VA) some string buzz has developed when fretting high on the neck. I bought a humidifier, this guitar is too good to take chances.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Alex
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 02:27 AM

I just found out something else. This model is not listed on either the Sigma web site or in the Orion Blue Book. The closest they get is DR-7 and DR-7S.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Alex
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 02:56 AM

I just realized that I never completed a thought from my original post.even though this model was supposedly only produced from 79-81, my dad was born in 1959 and bought it age 15 or 16. That would put the date of purchase in 1974-75. Obviously that doesn't match up, and beyond that, most guitars sit in a store or warehouse for a while before they're sold. (There's a Takamine I've had my eye on for years that has never left the guitar center in the kendal region of Mimai.)

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,DR7
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 06:40 PM

Hi,

I have a jap DR7, sigma and side-M on head, serial 73081672 - traded it around 12 years ago for a bass guitar i had at the time. Has been (professionally) fitted with a mic amp inside (does this detract from value?), few little dents as would be expected with its age - any ideas on approx value? (have been looking on Ebay etc but not seen any)

thanks

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Buzzy
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 11:43 AM

Hi all!

It's nice to get some information on the old Sigmas. I own a Sigma model DR-7S,... with serial nummer 23214. She's been with me through many of the midnight bonfires and those quiet evenings (21 years). I've written a few songs on it and like an old wine she gets better with age. My best song (in my estimation) is a classical piece written in Em in which my lovely wife walked down the isle to.

I was in a classic rock band in the late 90's in which I was the Drummer (my first love), but we would and still do, get together for the midnight bonfires. One of my guitar players loved the sound of my Sigma so much he went out and bought himself a Martin D-21. Although delighted with his investment he still admires my Sigma.

To all those that believe Sigma is a cheap rip off of the famed Martin; when you find a guitar that suits you, just play it and enjoy. Brandnames don't make music, people do.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bill
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 07:14 AM

I wish to thank all of you on this forum, particularly Mr. Webb. I just purchased a DR-35 Japan model for $285 on ebay. The sound on this guitar is amazing. It has the spruce top, SOLID Rosewood sides and 3 piece SOLID Rosewood back. I looked at and played new Taylors, Crafter, Fender, Blueridge, and Seagulls. I really do not believe that anything I tried matched this guitar for sound or feel. This guitar has its share of "character marks", but sound and playability are all that matter to me. I don't believe I have EVER heard a guitar sound this rich!!! Thanks again to all of you. Without your convincing testimonies, I probably would not have bought a Sigma.

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: fret nut
Date: 17 Apr 07 - 10:40 PM

Hey bill    I was looking at that guitar, you got a great deal on a solid instument. I was going to jump in but I own too many guitars at this time. My wife would leave me if I bought another.....mmmmmmmmmm??????????

Enjoy it   Neil

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bill
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 05:20 AM

I sure am glad you let me have it!!! I really enjoy playing and hearing this quality instrument!!! Thanks Neil!!

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,mike c
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 03:57 PM

For Mr.Stirling (sigma expert)
I have just purchased a pre-owned sigma 00018m serial no. 91100904 any specs. or info welcomed.
                            Thanks mike c (UK)

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,mike c
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 02:37 PM

Can anyone help with info.& specs.for Sigma Martin ooo18.
                                    

                                          Thanks mike c (UK)

Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,dan