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Sigma Guitars

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Subject: RE: Sigma Guitars
From: GUEST,guest-rivcreamery
Date: 14 Sep 17 - 02:05 AM

Just bought a clean DR-11 with a clean old hardshell case for $280 including shipping, from the Bay auction. Can't wait to get it. It's a sideways M headstock; and has the old version label with both model and serial numbers hand written, over "manufactured in Japan. Seller describes it as a 1972. Any other DR-11 owners out there with info? One poster here said he bought his new, a "Sigma by Martin, since 1970" headstock he describes as costing $388 in 1979. Thanks


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Subject: RE: Sigma Guitars
From: GUEST,Outlaw3088
Date: 25 Aug 17 - 03:06 PM

I have a MIJ-DR41,Serial #014782...I was just wondering what the odds of it being made in 1982 since the SN ends in "82". Also would like a value in these guitars in todays market, Its in great condition and comes with the original Black/Copper Martin Hardshell. Thanks


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Subject: RE: Sigma Guitars
From: GUEST,geordiecaller
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 08:26 PM

Recently bought a Sigma 000m from Germany for a good price and had a setup done. It's great.


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Subject: RE: Sigma Guitars
From: GUEST,cam
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 08:02 AM

if it's any help, it's got the "football stamp" brace on the inside rather than a paper label.
(the only way i know its approximate age is because in december i got a new strap button from a local shop and the guy there told me it was late 70's early 80's)


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Subject: RE: Sigma Guitars
From: GUEST,cam
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 07:59 AM

hey folks
in the past year or so i got my hands on a seemingly late 70's sigma dr-28-sb. it's really nice, plays very well. it's the darker sunburst model, and i haven't seen many of those on the internet. could you guys maybe help me place the year, background, et cetera?
thanks
cam


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Subject: RE: Sigma Guitars
From: GUEST,Louis
Date: 11 Aug 17 - 10:29 PM

Just picked up a Sigma TB-1B in really nice shape. Lowered the action and now it plays well. Can't find much on the net about this model. Anyone out there have info on this model? Is it patterned after a Martin?


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Subject: RE: Sigma Guitars
From: GUEST,Corey
Date: 25 Jun 17 - 01:57 PM

I just bought a Sigma DM12-4 with the serial # 88082411.

Does anyone have any idea what it's worth? I paid about $170 USD for it, with a hardshell plush lined case. It sounds pretty decent, with no apparent structural issues and no buzzing in the strings.


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Subject: RE: Sigma Guitars
From: GUEST,elbrt1
Date: 21 May 17 - 01:44 AM

Bought a Sigma dm-3y at garage sale 7 years ago along with lower end fender acoustic. purchased both for 150.00 . Fender I gave to grandson to learn on. Sigma was restringed and "adjusted" . Will never part with it . Sounds crisp and clear compared to all other "Garage" sale purchases.


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Subject: RE: Sigma Guitars
From: GUEST,Guest Roy Canada 🇨🇦
Date: 16 May 17 - 09:27 PM

I have a Sigma Guitar DR-14. I have read that it is very rare and a DR-14 is on display in a museum in Munich, Germany. Can anyone help me find a link to see a picture of it?


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Subject: Nmi Guitars
From: GUEST,Jaybyrd
Date: 27 Dec 16 - 07:59 PM

Anybody want to discuss NMI guitars? I have 3 and nobody ever mentions them!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Sigma Guitars
From: GUEST,Some bloke
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 08:59 AM

Martin used to own them. When they sold them to a German outfit, they sold the rights to existing designs.

Sigma have improved the quality since moving production to the Chinese manufacturer the German owners use. Nowadays, all guitars from anywhere over £100 can be made to be ok. I've often considered adding a Sigma mahogany twelve fret parlour to the collection.

In terms of Martin copying, I have a Recording King, same solid woods and similar build quality (a bonus) to a D18. Stunningly good, embarrassingly outperforms some of my £2k+ guitars yet cost £390 new, and what's more, from Amazon.

The label appeal of large American outfits such as Martin and Gibson will always be there and smaller manufacturers here in The UK or increasingly Canada will always get the nod of approval when you take them out of the box.

But for concert bashing around, the likes of Sigma are becoming fairly widespread.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Sigma Guitars
From: mkebenn
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 07:57 AM

I believe Trewster is right, they were licensed by Martin. Not a bad product for what they are. Mike


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Subject: RE: Tech: Sigma Guitars
From: GUEST,rewster
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 07:51 AM

Weren't they originally Martin's answer to cheap far eastern copies?


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Subject: Tech: Sigma Guitars
From: GUEST,Mandoman
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 07:45 AM

Can anybody tell me how Sigma Guitars are allowed to copy so exactly most Martin Models when on the face of it they have no connection with Martin.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Motorcity
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 05:13 PM

Add me to the list of Sigma owners who's not completely (or even close to completely!) sure what he has.

For starters, it's got the "Sigma Guitars, Est. 1970" headstock. What it DOESN'T have is Sigma label inside...though it DID have the "Picador" label that you hear about on guitars that weren't of first quality.

To that end, there's a lone number---2----on the inside where the Sigma label might have been; I had to peel off the "Picador" label to find that (was hoping for a little more than a single digit). The "2" almost looks hand-written, but I imagine it was done by stencil.

I've heard and read that "second quality" Martin-related guitars were often blemished or victimized by poor glue jobs. The latter is certainly true in my case; there's a nasty splash of glue below the sound hole which is not what you'd expect from any Martin product. It's led me to believe this was, indeed, a second-quality box.

Anyone got an intelligent guess on this? The previous owner thought it was a D-18 (based on shape and size) but I'm not quite convinced. If you know a Martin or Sigma expert with knowledge, I'm all ears.

Thanks!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 16 - 02:37 PM

I have a Sigma by cf martin dm1 n.
It has a label inside with made in Korea.
Can anyone assist in pricing this guitar.
Any other information is welcome cos I can't seem to find any information on this guitar.
Thanks
Ravi


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 16 - 02:25 PM


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 16 - 01:59 PM

Ravi


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,wadehaskell
Date: 06 Apr 16 - 08:21 PM

I bought a korean made GC-1st in the early 90's and can find almost no information about it. It seems to be relatively rare. Most korean gc's appear to have laminate tops and the lower numbers are the lower quality but it appears that only the gc-1st (solid top) was made (not a gc-[2 through 8] st. Any help or information would be appreciated. Thanks, Wade


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 04:45 AM

I reckon they have come on well since Martin ditched them and the German company who know owns them have improved them.

I rather like their solid mahogany topped range, especially the 00 size. The 12 fret slot head is rather close to the Martin in sound when new, and set up correctly, is as rewarding to play.

I reckon it's headstock snobbery. If they had a unique headstock design to remove the poor man Martin image, I reckon they could stand on their own merit more. The £2-500 market is cramped and lot of good guitars in it, but when asked, I always advise people to give them a try. The more expensive end of the D28 copies, especially the D42 copies are too expensive for what they are and you can get a Recording King with similar spec and solid rosewood back and sides for around the same money and quality. The torch headstock being less of a "wannabe."

But I like them. I just see a difference between the newer ones and the ones Martin had made. The German owned ones are all made in China by the way.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Sterling Webb
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 07:53 PM


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,P R Brown
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 02:48 PM

Where would my DM 3Y stand in the quality spectrum?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Mark Wheatley
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 03:20 AM

I recently purchased a Sigma DM-4 which was stamped on the brace as apposed to the paper label saying it was made in Korea. From what I've read its a very early model made in Korea. Sounds good and in great condition as the previous owner bought it and never took up the guitar.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Bryan watson the dr-41 are a great guitar as
Date: 15 Jul 15 - 08:28 PM


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,bbrown
Date: 05 Jul 15 - 01:06 PM

I have a Sigma electric, can you tell me about it? I bought it used in about 1977-1979. Thanks barrysconcretese@bellsouth.net


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Apr 15 - 06:30 AM

Mine is a Sigma DM12 - 4 bought second hand in 1997. The paper label is still on the inside but it only states:

Sigma
Prepared and Inspected by
C F Martin & Co
Made in Korea

The only serial Number I can see is either 120499 or 420499


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,James D Crofton Ky
Date: 14 Apr 15 - 04:32 AM

I have a sigma dm-35 solid top back and sides. The headstock has custom on it no sigma emblem. It was made in Korea has a paper label inside the sound hole. I have never found any info on a custom sigma however I have one. The grain on the inside back and sides match the outside and the top is one piece viewin from the edge of the sound hole. I bought it used back in the mid 2005 to 2006. It is in almost mint condition but the tuning machines have been upgraded I believe. I bought it from and old man who owned a small music shop and at the time I was going to buy a blue ridge but he said this was a better guitar and I paid close to 200.00 for it used. Never seen or heard of another custom sigma. If anyone has info please share. It is a very good sounding guitar with great projection. Spruce top mahogany sides and back. A definite good find and a real keeper. Thanks
James D.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Martha Kerr
Date: 17 Nov 14 - 10:41 AM

For Sale: Sigma 18A made in Korea 1990's.Excellent condition. barely touched. New Jersey. $300 plus shipping.
Reply to: martikrr@gmail.com
Photo upon request.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 11:33 AM

Sorry, live link here; https://www.facebook.com/Sigmaguitarfanpage


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 11:30 AM

There is a facebook page run by a Sigma lover who's writing a book on their history. It's the best place to find info on them and queries are welcome. https://www.facebook.com/Sigmaguitarfanpage


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Psycedelic
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 05:29 PM

This link should work

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ysjgA4PNRjKZA2_vqB_3LpcpdgGec2xxSpbfzan74Pg?feat=directlink


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Psycedelic
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 03:54 PM

Crap, pics are not available, going to try later on , sorry


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Psycedelic
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 03:46 PM

Hi , I bought a Sigma DR 14 in `79 or `80 , you can find a little note on Wikipedia.
And here are some pics and a link to my sound cloud recording /Users/Micha/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Modified/2014/01.05_3.2014/photo 4-1.jpg
https://soundcloud.com/psycedelic/4-20-interpretation-on-sigma
hopefully useful


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,zephyr
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 05:54 PM

I noticed a Sig-Mart DR-41, MIJ Japanese made '80-84 on Mpls Crgs-List, talked to the folks and had them bring it to a shop so I could get a long distance voucher on it. Just needs strings and a setup, and a fret oiling. Has a Piezo pickup, don't know if thats factory or not. I backed out of the deal, but want to see some nice folks make a sale. Check it out.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Derwood
Date: 14 Aug 14 - 06:00 PM

I bought a 52sdm-12-5 last year. I bought it because it sounded wonderful. I did not realize how old it was until I started doing some research. The neck is perfectly straight and the action is low with no buzz at all. It has the old logo and paper tag inside. No scratches or dings. 33-36 years old. I will never sell it.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Travis
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 05:31 PM

I just purchased a Sigma DM3 from a local pawn shop. It has the "sigma guitars est 1970" on the headstock. It has the screw bridge adjusters and the label inside the body has the old Sigma with the greek E, and it has made in Korea. But looking at the ads on ebay for it, the last ad I can find with screws in the bridge are the 1979 ones. I thought they were still made in Japan then. I'm confused about what I have. The guitr sounds great!


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,SIGMA IS GREAT
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 01:24 PM

I have a DR-28 From the 70's handed down to me it is a great sounding guitar. The best acoustic i own. Since its from the 70's it was made by martin. But they sold SIGMA In 95 .


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 May 14 - 12:47 AM

refresh, compensating for our downtime


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 08 May 14 - 07:11 AM

thought i'd drop by to see if there's any new information. i'm still playing my Sigma DM5s and amazing people with the sound of my ebay guitar. i bought what was supposed to be a "good" DM7 from ebay. it turns out to have a terribly twisted neck. i haven't figured out whether the guy ripped me off, or was ignorant. i'll keep it though and hope to find a good neck somewhere. for a strummer, it's great, but the intonation and action beyond the 6th fret are horrible.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,NL CR-9
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 09:47 PM

Now I know there at least 2 Sigma CR-9s in the world!

I have one purchased used for my late wife about 25 years ago - paid $350 for it with a hard case. It is a very, very fine instrument - deep full sound, very nice neck, very playable. I have been unable to find much info on the CR-9 - there is a little on the 'net re the CR-7, but hardly a mention of the 9s. There is a listing in a guitar reference book a luthier friend has, but it gives no details - just that it exists. If anyone knows anything more, I'm all ears...


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Fossil
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 04:27 PM

Hi, Rev - the point about the New Sigmas was made in this thread last year... they are now made in China, apparently to a pretty good standard. My post requesting information about them was answered by a Guest: "Olof in Sweden" on 11 July 2012. He liked his a lot.

It would indeed be interesting to hear from others who have tried and/or bought New Sigmas: they seem to be in guitar shops everywhere now, so they must be doing something right.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Rev Bayes
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 02:15 PM

It is probably time to add to this thread the point that a company in Germany has bought the rights and started making the things again so if you see a brand new looking one, it probably is.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Fossil
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 03:45 PM

In order to help out the many Guests who post here looking for information about Sigma guitars, I have put together a brief and hopefully succinct account of the Sigma Story, drawing upon the very large number of posts to the Mudcat Cafe Forum - particularly the (now very old) posts from Stirling Webb, the predominant expert in this field, and many others. In addition to the history of the brand, I have tried to provide pointers to dating and collecting Sigmas. Valuation is not covered, but will be defined by the marketplace in the seller's home environment.

If anyone would like a copy of this, PM me. Guests, this means you;ll have to sign up for the Mudcat, which is easy and quick. You might also like to make a donation to the fund which supports Max in running this site, that's up to you.


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Subject: RE: DM-18 looking for similar serial numbers
From: Fumble Fingers
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 03:28 AM

Apologies if this has already been addressed. There are many pages in this thread and a gazillion posts, and I don't know how to formulate a specific search.

I have a 1980-83 DM-18 ("Sigma Guitars/Est 1970" on the headstock, "Made in Japan" stamped on the back brace. "S24478" (or possibly "824478") also stamped on the back brace. "420155" stamped on the end of the neck.

Many comments (which repeat each other) say it's difficult to impossible to identify the time or place the instrument was built from the serial number, but I bet one or two people have figured this out.

That's my info. Can anyone help me narrow down when and where this guitar was made?


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,terry
Date: 24 Oct 13 - 08:15 PM

ive got an offer to trade for a martin sigma dr 12-7 with a serial number of   s 80980 any way to date this or value of it


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,GUEST: Glen
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 11:38 AM

I've been reading many of the previous comments, and wanted to see if I can find out more information about my Sigma CR-7. Sterling's comments (among others)have helped me, and are much appreciated.

Solid spruce, very even color and fine grain over the entire soundboard, along with great crossgrain. No logo on the headstock, but a paper label inside printed in gold, but has aged somewhat and look more like copper now. The label is stamped in ink CR-7 with a 4-digit serial number 6486 and Made in Japan. This seems to match with my research for made between 1970-1978, but I read that with that serial number it is likely it was one the earlier models, as the serial number eventually went to 5-digits for models manufactured during the early years. The rosewood is lighter in color than EIR, quite similar to my Renato Bellucci Concert classical, which is by far my best sounding nylon string guitar. But my Sigma runs a close 2nd.

My question has to do with the upper and lower bindings and backstrip purfling. It consists of light colored strips with a turquoise colored strip in between. I've never seen anything like it before, and it's never been identified by anyone who has described their Sigma classical guitar. It's difficult to see with the naked eye unless under bright light, then it really pops! Is my guitar different, or was the turquoise marquetry used throughout this early time period? Any help regarding the serial number or marquetry would be appreciated greatly.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Fossil
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 08:00 PM

Just a wee addition to the above: if you really can't be arsed to read all the myriad postings on this thread, but want help in identifying your Sigma, at least track down Stirling Webb's post of 23 October 2004, which gives a potted history and a number of pointers about what to look for.

Alas, Stirling hasn't posted here for a very long time now, but we are all in his debt.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: Fossil
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 07:38 PM

Hi all - since no-one else seems inclined to answer the spate of recent Guest postings about their Sigma finds, let me try...

1. Serial numbers of early Sigmas (70's to 80's) are of no help. It would appear that Martin didn't have any consistent system and their contracting guitar workshops, firstly in Japan, later in Korea (and there were quite a few over the years) probably used their own numbering systems, or just made them up. No-one to my knowledge has ever attempted to classify the serial numbers in a way which would identify the place or year of manufacture and I suspect that it isn't going to be possible now. Later models might, but I don't know of any sources for this. Serial numbers can sometimes confirm things: there are at least three Sigma 12-strings in New Zealand I know of with close serial numbers, which indicates that they may have been part of a batch imported here at the same time.

2. Model designations were sometimes stamped on the back brace and sometimes follow the Martin model designations. Mine is stamped "DR28-12", which means that it's a 12-string D28 body with rosewood sides and back. But sometimes they don't.

3. There is usually a "country of origin" brand on the back brace. This is oval, and is in three parts, the top lettering reading "Sigma Guitars", the middle the country (Japan on mine) and the bottom "C F Martin". Lacking this brand, the guitar probably isn't authentic (but who knows, really!).

And finally, Guests, do your homework! Read through all the posts on this thread. Yes, all 600-plus. You might learn something. The Sigma story is an interesting piece of history and learning about it will add to your experience when you pick up your guitar. Good luck - if you have found a nice old Sigma, look after it and it will repay you with many years of music.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 04:21 PM

I have a sigma, the only numbers I can find is 46067 on the back brace and on the neck on the inside is 714010. I don't know what year it is or what it is worth. email me back at wmarvin36@yahoo.com, I'll send picture's if you can help me with this.


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Subject: RE: sigma guitars
From: GUEST,Kipster
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 04:25 AM

I bought my Sigma guitar in a pawn shop around 1992. How can I find out the model, year and place of manufacture? The serial numbers inside are 812247 on the neckbase and 284495 on the back brace strip... I'd like to know more about this guitar - it plays and sounds like a million bucks. I'd never sell it.


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