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Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??

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Subject: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: PoppaGator
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 11:10 PM

For many years -- including a three year period during which I played and sang almost every waking hour and accomplished almost all of my development a player -- I played guitar in standard tuning ONLY. I had made a consicous decision to keep things simple and basic during my serious effort to make myself into a musician: no capo, no pick-switching (thumbpick & two fingerpicks, exclusively), no retuning.

I had perviously noodled around a bit in open tunings with a slide, playing the basic 12-bar chord pattern at the 5th and 7th frets plus the open chord, of course, and an occasional little slide from fret 2 to 3. Got pretty boring after a while, since I never learned any bare-fingered chords to go with it, nor any real songs with their own characteristic riffs. Then I quit even trying, and it's been 35+ years since...

ANYWAY: I recently searched out the tabs and started learning a favorite song played in open D ("Lakes of Pontchartrain," Paul Brady arrangement, as found here, ). I'm progressing nicely enough, and now I'm ready to try something else in the same tuning, so I can entertain myself and maybe learn a few things while practicing "Lakes" and without constantly retuning.

Any suggestions? At this point, I don't know *anything* about playing in any tuning except standard EADGBE, and learning even a few rudimentary chords would give me a start towards playing something more than one single (albeit excellent) song in this fairly popular tuning.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: GUEST,orville johnson
Date: 07 Sep 04 - 12:32 AM

Sorry if this seems commercial, but one of my instructional videos is called " Getting Started in Open D". It's mostly about how to create your own arrangements and navigate the tuning tho I teach a few songs as well. If you want more info email me at orvillej@comcast.net


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: s&r
Date: 07 Sep 04 - 03:56 AM

This is the resource I use for chords in any tuning.

Stu


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 04 - 01:43 PM

Pat Kirtley, besides being a damned fine guitarist, plays more than a few tunes in this tuning: DADGAD. Not quite open D, but.... He does play in open D as well. Some of the songs on his CDs tell you what tuning he uses... also if you follow the "For Guitarists Only" link, there are links to articles of interest to guitarists. Check out the one on "Alternate Tunings Workshop." At the end he lists a whole bunch of artists and the tunings they use. You might check out the ones who play in open D, check out their CDs and find a song or two of theirs you might want to learn off them.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: PoppaGator
Date: 07 Sep 04 - 08:32 PM

Thanks to all.

Orville, I am notoriously cheap and will try to learn as much as possible for free (or more precisely, for the price of my internet service) before I contact you for info on buying your tape. I certainly don't begrudge you your entrepreneurship -- I'd do the same myself if I had a product to promote.

S&R, that little resource is great!

And "guest," I checked out Pat Kirtley's site right away, and definitely learned a thing or two.

The most helpful resource, however, has been the list of related threads, most of which provide multiple links, and links-to-links, etc. So, special thanks to Joe or the clones or whoever.

I'm surprised that there seems to be more interest in, and use of, DADGAD than straight open-D "Vastapol." I'll read all about the theory, of course, but for now I intend to learn as much as I can in the one open tuning to which I've accidentally committed myself by my choice of a first non-standard-tuning song to learn.

When I last tried to fool with open tunings, bck in the 60s, DADGAD was unheard of (perhaps not even invented yet), and I heard more about tuning *up* to open-E than *down* to open-D. (Of course, the D and E open tunings are played exactly the same; they're both "Vastapol.") Cranking up to open-E is bound to be harder on your strings and, more importantly, on your instrument, so for now I'll stick with loosening my strings and tuning to a D chord.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 07 Sep 04 - 10:39 PM

The basic melody to any number of simple songs can be played in open D using just the first (high D) string. Just pick that melody line with your fingers while using your thumb to do accompanying alternating bass patterns on the open lower strings. You don't have to worry about fretting notes on any string other than the first one unless you just want to throw some chords in. It's a ridiculously simple technique but you can get a remarkably full sound that will fool people into thinking you know how to play guitar even if you don't. Try it for "Louis Collins" if you're familiar with that song.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: PoppaGator
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 10:43 AM

Yeah, I know "Louis Collins"; I just might try that.

I don't think I could stand playing a one-chord arrangement, though. However, thanks to that tricky little chord-maker submitted by s&r (above), it shouldn't be too hard to throw in "G"s and "A"s at the appropriate moments, at any number of positions up and down the neck.

Makes for an intreesting little project; thanks!


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: GUEST,jon
Date: 11 Sep 04 - 08:03 PM

I would like to find a chord chart for Open D, is it somewhere here


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Peter T.
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 09:46 AM

Check out some of the links, there are links to various web sites.

Keep in mind that open G is also nice, and as a bonus, you can immediately play the banjo!!!

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Grab
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 08:53 PM

To divert from the thread title slightly... :-)

I found open-G easier to learn. Open-D has 4 of the 6 strings detuned, so you basically need to relearn everything. Open-G only detunes 3, and the 3 left happen to be DGB in the middle which are your main chording strings. So most of your chords are reasonably intact in open-G (or enough to fake it anyway) and you can reuse a lot of your existing habits. Also the bottom D/G are the same interval as E/A in standard, so bassline stuff is a bit more familiar too.

Plenty of blues in open-G. Also the classic "Romeo and Juliet", for which you can doubtless find tab on the web.

Graham.

PS. No capo?! How do you sing to the guitar? I know it's possible to play in any key, but don't you sometimes find you want the particular texture that you can only get from a certain chord?


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: GUEST,wynnbeez
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 09:47 PM

I have figured out several chords for the open d tuning. Using them mainly to play BeeGees songs. Does anyone know where a fairly complete chord chart for this tuning can be found. D-A-D-F#-A-D


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 08:17 AM

....and is that what people mean when they say "open D"? I've heard people say they play in open D but I don't see the F# included very often in this tuning. Mostly what I see is DADDAD, which, technically is not a chord (missing the interval of the major third)?


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 08:21 AM

...and here's a chord chart for open D. There may be others. Put "Open D chord chart" into Google and see what comes up. The above link was the first "hit" on Google.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 08:43 AM

"Raglan Road" works better in Open-D than in any other tuning, and Blind Blake's "Police Dog Blues" is a finger buster which takes some time to get right, but is very satisfying once you've got it down.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 09:14 AM

There is a fundamental relationship between the three most commonly used open guitar tunings.

Name          Notes                   Intervals
Open D: D-A-D-F#-A-D = 1-5-1-3-5-1
Open G: D-G-D-G-B-D   = 5-1-5-1-3-5
Open C: C-G-C-G-C-E   = 1-5-1-5-1-3

Notice that they all have the 1-5-1-3 interval pattern somewhere in them. That means that if you know a chord in one open tuning, you can play the corresponding chord in another by just moving the same fingering pattern to the appropriate strings. For example, in open D, 020100 is a simple G (actually G add 9). In open G, 002010 is a simple C. And, in open C, 000201 is a simple F. All you have to do is move that 201 fingering pattern.

The same holds true for melodies, though a tune learned in open C doesn't usually transfer well to open D because the fingering pattern gets shifted two strings toward the bass side and melodies need more treble.

By the way, open E and open A are not really separate tunings. They're just open D and open G tuned up a step. Since they require that three strings be tuned above standard tuning they should only be used on electric or very lightly strung acoustic guitars.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Grab
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 11:30 AM

Guest 8:17, I don't know about others, but the open-D I use has an F#. Detuning G to D makes it too loose and flappy to get much out of it.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: PoppaGator
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 04:43 PM

Glad to be getting so much good advice. I'm sure I'll be trying some stuff in "Spanish" (open-G/A) as well as "Vastapol" (open-D/E), but my immediate concern was to find additional things to do in the *one* open tuning I'm currently workling in, without retuning.

In answer to Grab/Graham's question from 8:53 last night, I'll indulge in some additional thread creep of my own:

Yes, I had once decided to play with no capo, as well as with no retuning, no slide, no switching between picks, etc. My guiding principle was to "KISS" (Keep It Simple, Stupid) and to travel light while grinding out ridiculously long hours as a solo steet performer, and I think it worked very well, within its self-imposed limitations. I spent about three years on this program and became a much stronger player and singer.

While I made no progress at all in learning different tunings and/or different stringed instruments, I *really* learned the standard-tuned guitar fingerboard. My vocal range was always fairly good, but I definitely extended it while eschewing use of the capo. My left hand technique improved somewhat as I *had* to make some barre chords and other difficult chord shapes. My right hand technique definitely profited more than anything else; whereas I had previously employed completely different approaches for "strumming" and for a fairly careful and timid style of "fingerpicking," I eventually developed a much freer, more fluid attack whereby I can use the thumbpick OR either of two fingerpicks to play, at any given time, a single string, a partial chord (2-3 strings), or a full chord -- and to play everything loud and strong while getting the maximum "ring" and resonance out of my guitar.

All in all, I'd say that my strategy worked pretty well -- for me. Probably not the best approach for everyone, but worth consideration by any young/beginning player with skills, limitations, and goals similar to mine of 30+ years ago.

Now I'm much older, and gradually "relearning" my instrument after years of comparitive inactivity. I'm definitely interested in picking up some new tricks (despite being such a very old dog), and filling in some of the blank spaces I deliberately left open years ago, including some work in open tunings, with and without a slide.

And, yes, I now use a capo with some regularity. When my arthritic left hand aches but I want to continue practicing/playing a little longer, I find that slapping a capo on (usually at the 2d fret) gives me a "second wind," making the action a little lower and (more importantly) shortening up the distance between frets and making all the "reaches" that much easier.

Another argument in favor of the capo: when jamming/playing with a group -- especially when most or all of the instruments are also guitars -- capo-ing up adds a bit of variety to the sound: not only by raising the pitch of your instrument, but also by changing the voicing (combination of open & fretted strings) of every chord you play. (This is a little something I learned here at Mudcat, from one Mr. McGrath of Harlow.)


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Subject: Stand By Me - tabs anyone?
From: GUEST,tigerhawk
Date: 27 Dec 08 - 07:34 PM

I heard an advertisement in which the background was a really cool version of the old Benny King Classic "Stand By Me". But the player was covering it with a finger style version, which sounded like drop D tuning. But it was wild. Anybody got those tabs?
tmeehan@arczip.com


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Acorn4
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 04:34 AM

"Big Yellow Taxi" by Joni Mitchell is a clasic in open D.

With open tunings, chords aren't so important, and you can learn more by experimentation than with standard tuning.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 05:06 AM

With open tunings, chords aren't so important, and you can learn more by experimentation than with standard tuning.
experimentation is important in standard tuning too.
most people unfortunately dont understand chords,but just learn a shape,they may learn an a minor chord,and not realise they have several different inversions of the chord scattered about the finger board .
learning about chord substitution is important in whatever tuning you are in .
with open tunings, chords are important,the whole point about some open tunings[DADGAD,CGCGCD,DADGBD]Is that modal chords[those without the third which defines major or minor]are often easier to execute than in standard tuning.,and use sympathetic ringing,advantageously.
knowing what you are doing,and analysis is vital for improvement,and important if you wish to teach guitar.
guitarists like Bensusan,know exactly what they are doing.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Mavis Enderby
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 05:50 AM

DADDAD is another good D tuning. The unison on the 3 & 4th strings can sound very effective (almost gives a built-in chorus effect). Plenty of modal chords available too - one of my favourites is 2nd and 5th strings at the fifth fret giving DDDDDD (is this technically a chord?) - all those harmonics make the guitar sound amazingly dramatic and powerful.

Pete.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: alex s
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 08:30 AM

anyone tried DADEAD? quite interesting


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 08:40 AM

yes, my reservation is that I always find the g string tends to snap, when tuning back up ,so I prefer to stick to tunings that dont take the g string too far,having said that,if anyone is used to playing the tenor banjo,then daddae[top three strings are like tenor banjo]is good for playing tunes with a plectrum.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 08:56 AM

I play alot of open D and find it very versitile... Using a capo on the 2nd fret gets you to E but for performing, if I only have one geetar, G is a kinder open tunin' 'cause you can tune yer A string back up to A and now yer in a "Double Dropped D" tunin', which ain't exactly like an open tuning 'cause you do have to chord it but has that nice modal sound to it and easy to get back to G, which BTW is an A if you capo to the 2nd fret...

Just MO...

B~

Oh yeah, I haven't played standard tuning in years but having played it for 30 or so years I still have it all imprinted...


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 04:53 PM

yes,I like double drop d too.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 01:17 PM

Just a footnote - When I began to teach myself guitar, I was a farm boy, eight years of age, whose parents did not particularly encourage my musical endeavors. They had wanted me to learn piano, which lessons I abandoned early on. I saved some money and got a Stella guitar which cost around $10 and sounded like a hollow plank. I taught myself chords, absent any real musical training, by simply matching string for string until I had created a chord. I did not realize for several years that I was learning in an open D tuning. My senior year of high school, I was playing (still by ear) in a local coffee house when someone more experienced wondered about my fingering and showed me the proper way to change to the standard tuning. Some of my chording still reflects that early open D, though I haven't used it in over 50 years.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 01:41 AM

Here's a list of tracks supposedly recorded in Open D (only a list, no link to tabs):

http://www.guitaralliance.com/index.php/resources/169-guitar-tunings/1203-open-d-tuning


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Stower
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 05:06 AM

Lots of good advice here, PoppaGator. I would echo what the Good Soldier said about experimenting and about not thinking in terms in standard chords, or in terms of chords at all. If you listen to some of the greats - Martin Carthy, Martin Simpson, Duck Baker, John Renbourn, Pierre Bensusan, Steve Baughman - you will rarely hear a chord (in the strummy strummy sense - if you know what I mean) at all. Instead you'll hear melodies, countermelodies, harmonisation. (I'm probably stating the obvious here.)

I would add one thing: playing in open D doesn't mean you have to play in D all the time, nor use a capo to play in other keys (though a capo has its uses, of course). I use open D to play in the majors and minors of D, C, E, F, G, Bb. Experimenting and finding out how to do this is a wonderful journey.

Have fun.

Stower


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 05:22 AM

DADDAD - I didn't think anybody else ever used it. I tried it out in the 60's but gave it up becuse I broke too many G strings.

I usually tune up with open tunings to give a brighter sound with the bottleneck, and using a capo up the neck makes DADGAD start to sound like a banjo.


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 07:01 AM

open g dgdgbd,[gdgbd is a 5 string banjo tuning]is great for playing tunes,in a bumditty 5 string banjo style,I find playing melody with the thumb and doing the dit with index finger,and the ty with the index finger[up]similiar to carter family scratch ,gives the same rhythym aspete seegers bum ditty.
then one can start experimening with banjo tunings,dgdgcd etc etc.
incidentally dadf#ad is very similiar to dgdgbd,if you are playing tunes,a lot of the patterns , are just one string lower.
I find i use dgdgbd,more than daf#ad because I liking singing in a,capo on second fret,likewise dadgbd,A is quite good in standard tuning,but of course it sounds quite different.
so I am using drop d ,double drop d,spanish dgdgbd and dgdgcd as well as standard.
DGCGCD is one I intend to explore pretty soon[a variation on double c banjo tuning]


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Subject: RE: Open-D: chords / tabs / tips / advice ??
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 08:18 AM

GSS
Best of luck with that.


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