BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?

Subject: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: Nerd
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 04:58 PM

This from Salon.com:

In mid-September, a Gallup poll giving President Bush a 13-point lead over John Kerry left many election watchers scratching their heads; several other national surveys from the same period all showed the race deadlocked. Gallup's credibility has since come increasingly under fire. In Tuesday's New York Times, MoveOn.org ran a full-page ad questioning the company's methodology in light of the religious views of its longtime leader: "[George] Gallup, who is a devout evangelical Christian, has been quoted as calling his polling 'a kind of ministry.' And a few months ago, he said 'the most profound purpose of polls is to see how people are responding to God.' We thought the purpose is to faithfully and factually report public opinion."

A June article published in the Texas magazine the Baptist Standard sheds more light on George Gallup's paradigm for the company.

"For the past half century, the Gallup Poll has been phoning strangers, asking personal questions and then telling the world what Americans believe on topics from prayer to haunted houses and the afterlife. The Gallup Poll's fascination with religion and spirituality has had little to do with the usual rationale for polling -- a client's need to accrue market research data. Instead, the polling giant has been probing the inner life of Americans for a far more personal reason -- the boss wants to see souls saved.

"'The most profound purpose of polls is to see how people are responding to God,' George Gallup Jr. said after giving the spring commencement speech at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. 'When I ask a question on these subjects, what I'm always trying to find out is, Are we doing the will of God?'"

By the way, although Gallup's last polls before an election are usually quite accurate, they have been known to err by giving the Republicans a huge lead in the past: less than two weeks before the 2000 race, in which Gore won the popular vote by a slim margin, Gallup's national tracking poll had Bush up by 13 points.

13 points? What a coincidence! The SAME lead he supposedly had in September.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: Peace
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 05:03 PM

People who read and believe polls need to get a life.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: Chris Green
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 06:40 PM

In my experience, tits generally bounce. Bush is clearly no exception...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 06:52 PM

This is the kind of criminal manipulation that typifies W's camp and lackeys. Any twist, any torque, any extreme of mendiancy as long as it is brazen and helps personal gain. The will of God, my sweet tush.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: Peace
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 07:07 PM

Amos,

I am beginning to suspect that you won't be voting for Dubya. I have inferred that after a careful, between-the-lines reading of your subtle posts to various political threads. Am I correct?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 07:15 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing how well he bounces on January 20th when he's tossed out of the White House.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 07:29 PM

There is a large selection of polls here.   Most of them show Mr. Bush 5-10 percentage points ahead of Mr. Kerry. Interesting enough, the one with them closest, in fact showing Mr. Kerry with a small lead, is the one conducted by FOX News.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 07:31 PM

Brucie:

You couldn't be more correct if I'd drilled it in with a two-by!! LOL!!! Thanks for the laugh....


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: Peace
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 07:53 PM

The depth of dislike I harbour for Bush is unreal. I have disliked political figures in the course of my life, but that guy's combination of deceit, disingenuousness, smugness and bulls#it make me want to spew vitriol. That's why I don't make remarks about him much anymore. They all come out like, "Dubya is a %$#@*&* &$&^%^& #@^% &^#&) *&^&%# %$#@*&* &$&^%^& #@^% &^#&) *&^&%# %$#@*&* &$&^%^& #@^% &^#&) &%#^% (*(6(*&(*% *&^&%# %$#@*&* &$&^%^& #@^% &^#&) *&^&%#." I think it confuses people and it deleteriously affects my BP.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: pdq
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 08:27 PM

In 2000 the electoral count was 271 REP and 266 DEM.

Good news for DEMs: all states appear to be voting exactly the same as four years ago, except New Hampshire. It should wind up in the DEM camp, giving them a clean sweep of all New England states. No other changes are predicted.

Bad news is that the electoral count this year will be 274 REP to 264 DEM due to changes in population and subsequent re-assignment of electoral votes. Georgia picked up two more votes and Nevada, Colorado and others picked up one.

Here, however, is the real story:


Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens our Democracy

By John Fund

The Florida Fiasco of 2000, with hanging chads, butterfly ballots and Supreme Court intervention, forced Americans to confront an ugly reality. The U.S. has the sloppiest election systems of any industrialized nation, so sloppy that at least eight of the 19 hijackers who attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were actually able to register to vote in either Virginia or Florida while they made their deadly preparations for 9/11.

In Stealing Elections, John Fund takes the reader on a national tour of voter fraud scandals ranging from rural states like Texas and Mississippi to big cities such as Philadelphia and Milwaukee. He explores dark episodes such as the way "vote brokers" stole a mayoral election in Miami in 1998 by tampering with 4700 absentee ballots. He shows how, in the aftermath of the Motor Voter Law of 1993, Californians used mail-in forms to get absentee ballots for fictitious people and pets, while in St. Louis it was discovered that voter rolls included 13,000 more names than the U.S. Census listed as the total number of adults in the city.

Election officials try to reassure voters by turning to computerized voting machines. But Fund shows that with the new technology come even greater concerns. Early in 2004, for instance, the state of Maryland, which has 16,000 new Diebold machines, commissioned a security expert to try to rig a practice election. He and his team broke into the computer at the State Board of Elections, completely changed the outcome of the election, left, and erased their electronic trail—all in under five minutes.

Stealing Elections gives us a chilling portrait of our electoral vulnerability—in the 2004 presidential election and on into the future. Writing with urgency and authority, John Fund shows how a lethal combination of bureaucratic bungling and ballot rigging have put our democracy at risk.

John Fund is a member of the Wall Street Journal's editorial board and writes the paper's daily "Political Diary." He has written on voter fraud and election irregularities for the last decade in the Wall Street Journal, New Republic, American Spectator and other publications. In the past year, Fund has made over 90 appearances on Fox News, MSNBC, C-Span, and CNBC.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 08:28 PM

Oh, dear, brucie. I translated every one of those words- how could you!!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: Peace
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 09:09 PM

Hi, Ebbie. It's a gift. I am a bad boy. I foam at the mouth when I think of him and I foam at the mouth when I take soap to it.

Subject: Election 2004 - Poll organizations
From: Genie
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 01:24 PM

The cable news networks -- especially CNN (surprise!) -- seem to have been selectively reporting poll results that show the most favorable results for Bush. In general, they seem to be trying to set up a self-fulfilling prophecy.   They talk as though Kerry is almost hopelessly behind, that he has to "hit it out of the park" in the first debate if he's to have a chance, etc. They talk as though a candidate behind after labor day has little chance of turning that around, etc.

Here are a few polls and poll compilations you might want to check out.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: Genie
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 01:28 PM

Hmmm... My links didn't show up.

Trying this again ...

realclearpolitics.com - electoral count
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Polls and analyses by Zogby
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www.rasmussenreports.com/election_2004.htm
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www.electoral-vote.com - poll compilations

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: Nerd
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 02:25 PM

Genie,

when you use the blickymaker, you have to put in the whole URL including the "Http://" part. Otherwise, it makes an internal link to a mudcat.org URL, which in the cases above don't exist.

Can a clone fix this?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 03:42 PM

The only poll that counts is the one on the recount that Kerry demands after he loses.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush bounce a gallup hoax?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 10:20 PM

"The only poll that counts is the one on the recount that Kerry demands after he loses."

I am taking the liberty of correcting the obvious typo in the above.


The only poll that counts is the one on the recount that Bush demands after he loses.

Just saving you the trouble, Larry.