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Subject: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Fibula Mattock Date: 12 Oct 04 - 10:24 AM In the Hallowe'en thread I was reminded of the fact that we used to make turnip lanterns. Yes, out of turnips. Except it seems that people outside of N. Ireland (and possibly Scotland) call these "swedes". Oooh, you strange people. For once and for all, here is the truth: everyone in Norn Iron knows there's no such thing as swedes - they're all turnips! If yous can't accepts scallions, then don't expect me to accept this swede nonsense! I've spent an entire coffee break today trying to convince the learned types in work that they need to rethink their root vegetable classification. Turnip picture Turnip picture (except those not from God's Own Country will call it a swede). I'm inclined to think that those New World-types call the former a rutabaga. Do you have these so-called "swedes" of the vegetable type too? |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Fibula Mattock Date: 12 Oct 04 - 10:27 AM (alison, Seamus, Den, Clint Keller... all yous who believe in the turnip - this thread needs YOUS!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,MMario Date: 12 Oct 04 - 10:30 AM okay - here in the states you have "turnips" - they are white fleshed, purple topped - and rarely get more then 4 inches in diameter. Then you have rutabaga's - they are yellow fleshed - rarely are seen SMALLER then 4 inches in diameter and often up to 8 or more. There are also major differences in the leaves between "turnips" and "rutabagas" - but very few people in the US ever see the leaves - so it isn't much worth bothering about. THEN - you have 'Cape turnips' - which I have never found for sale commercially off Cape Cod - which are a white fleshed rutabaga. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Fibula Mattock Date: 12 Oct 04 - 10:34 AM MMario, you're not making it any easier... sigh... I think from that description you're siding with the swede-ish English in recognising 2 distinct species. You're entirely wrong, of course! ;) And a third one? Dammit! Well, I've just remembered French Turnips, which are the wee white ones, only a couple of inches in diameter and pretty bitter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,MMario Date: 12 Oct 04 - 10:53 AM not two distinct species - no; but then again, broccoli and cauliflower are not distinct species - but most people recognize a difference. (in fact - most of the brassica's are the same species - and will all interbreed - cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, brussels sprouts, collard greens, turnips, etc, etc, etc) they are just different strains of the same thing- like poodles and dachshounds) "turnip" in the US would be what you describe as 'French turnips' - as I said - 'rutabagas' have distinctly different foliage and growth habit then 'turnips' |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Oct 04 - 10:55 AM English here but agree with Mmario except I would use the word swede rather than rutabaga. Turnips are too small for lanterns and also, as far as I'm concerned taste different - we grow both turnips and swedes for that reason... As I type, I'm wondering about using one of our squash for a lantern. I think ours are a bit small and not likely to grow much more but I quite like the idea of a butternut squash lantern. Anyone ever made one? Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,MMario Date: 12 Oct 04 - 10:57 AM yup - and the large blue hubbards make dandy lanterns too! (but not to carry - too heavy and awkward) |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Bill Sowerbutts Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:01 AM In England the yellow fleshed one is called a Swede in Scotland Neaps. BS |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Fibula Mattock Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:03 AM Ahhh, but if turnips are too small and swedes are what's used, why do they call them "turnip lanterns" and not "swede lanterns". I reckon this swede thing is all wrong. Like jOhn says - it's rubbish! Where are my co-countrymen n'wimmin to back me up?!! I'm fighting a losing battle here... |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Fibula Mattock Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:04 AM Bill - aren't neaps and turnips the same? I always thought "neaps" was short for turnips. I'm still clinging stubbornly to my turnip taxonomy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:08 AM Ah FM, you do raise an interesting question there. When I was a kid and a cub scout in North Wales we made the lanterns for haloween. We called them turnip lanterns but they were always made from swedes not turnips... |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Fibula Mattock Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:10 AM Well, I've just found some support for my theory on this webpage: http://bdb.co.za/shackle/articles/turnips.htm which reports: London football fan Peter Tray wrote: that in Northern Ireland "the big orange thingy is a turnip, the small whitish one a white turnip, and a swede is the England football coach." |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:20 AM Ah FM, we have had a swede and a turnip (at least if the Sun was to be believed) manage England... |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Fibula Mattock Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:22 AM lol!! (By the way, I know it's a question of nomenclature rather than species, but I'm fed up with people telling me "no, you're wrong, it's not a turnip, it's a swede" when their only basis for this knowledge is the fact that that's what they're known as in their locality!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:23 AM When I was a kid in Minnesota, in the 30s and early 40s, we lived in my grandparents' house, and although we had an apartment upstairs, we shared many meals with grandma and grandpa. Patience! I'll get to the subject in a minute here! Occasionally, in the fall or winter, grandma would triumphantly put on the table with Sunday dinner (big noon meal here) a bowl of "mashed beggies". Yep, rutabagas. By her standards, a great treat. By mine, it was just cause to cry, because I knew that I would be forced to eat some of that stuff. When, on rare occasion, we had turnips, it was as part of the vegetables in a beef stew, and I found turnips tolerable. I never heard (this is in Indiana now) the term "Swedes" or "neaps" until WELL into adulthood, and then only as "what the English say". Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Fibula Mattock Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:28 AM You don't like turnips (that is, your "beggies") Dave? But they're so good mushed up with gravy and butter and mashed potato... mmm. winter comfort food. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:32 AM Would that be swedes or turnips FM? ;-) I am a lover of swede (the large orange fleshed one) mashed with potato as you describe. It's also nice on toast if you have left overs. Put a bit of marmite on the toast, heat the mashed mix in a frying pan, put it on the toast and enjoy!. Sometimes here we cook extra veg just to have something like that as a supper. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Fibula Mattock Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:34 AM Jon, I don't know what's worse - the idea of turnip on toast, or the marmite. Yeuch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: John MacKenzie Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:42 AM We [I] do tend to mix swedes and turnips in Scotland. Generically a swede is the big brown beast, which I had to slice up in large quantities to feed calves, when I were a children. A turnip is white fleshed greenish purple on the outside, much smaller, and has a nippy aftertaste when eaten raw. A neep to me is a swede, as that is what you get with your haggis 'champit neeps and tatties'. However Dr Katy Phibes may be right in her etymology. I like them both, but then I like nearly all root vegetables. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: CarolC Date: 12 Oct 04 - 12:40 PM Here's how I figure it. I don't like turnips. I do like rutabagas. So I figure turnips and rutabagas can't possibly be the same thing. The way I like to eat rutabagas is the way JtS fixes them when he makes Jigg's Dinner (Newfoundland style boiled dinner). JtS says that in Newfoundland, they don't usually have what we in the US call "turnips" (the first link in your first post, Fibula), but that they do commonly use something that is very similar to, but not exactly the same as what we in the US call "rutabagas" (the second link in your first post). In Newfoundland, they sometimes say "termit" instead of "turnip". |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: CarolC Date: 12 Oct 04 - 12:48 PM Oh, yeah. Almost forgot. In Newfoundland, they call the rutabaga-like thingie a turnip (or termit). |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST Date: 12 Oct 04 - 12:51 PM termits are them things that eats wood, ain't they? |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Oct 04 - 12:58 PM Just so long as you don't use a pumpkin. Call them turnips or swedes or whatever, they look scary and lopsided and smell all earthy... Pumpkins just look comical. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: CarolC Date: 12 Oct 04 - 01:08 PM I don't know if they have them things that eats wood in Newfoundland or not, but them things that looks like them things that eats wood but ain't, and are much smaller and don't have wings are called "emmits". |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE FLY BE ON THE TURMIT From: John MacKenzie Date: 12 Oct 04 - 02:29 PM Methinks the origin of the Newfie word is on this side of the pond. Giok THE FLY BE ON THE TURMIT I be a turmit hoer. from Somersetshire I came. My parents be hard working folk. Giles Wapstraw be me name. 'Twere on a Summer's morning all at the break of day, I took me hoe and off did go, some fifty mile away. (CHORUS) Now some delights in hay-making and a few be fond of mowing, But of all the jobs that I likes best g'ie the turmit hoeing. The fly, the fly, oh, the fly be on the turmit, But it's all me eye and no use to try, for to keep them off the turmits. My being a tidy young chap, I soon got I a place. Like any Turk, I set to work and I took it by the piece. I gaily hoed right cheerfully for good old farmer Blower, And he vowed and swore as how I were a ripping turmit hoer. In winter, I drives oxen across the fields a-ploughing, For to get the furrows straight and clear all ready for turmit sowing. And when the frost bears up the wealds, then to dress the land we're going, For without manure 'tis certain sure no turmits will be growing. We works about the farmyard 'til springtime brings us mowing, But I likes none of it half so well as I do the turmit hoeing. And when the Harvest Home be come, and nut brown ales are flowing, Then I gaily bids them all goodbye. I be off to me turmit hoeing. The song pre-dates 1881 when its tune was adopted as the official march of the 1st Battalion of the Wiltshire Regiment. It was one of the first songs Cecil Sharp noted down in Somerset, from Louie Hooper and Charles Parsons and Captain Lewis in 1906. The BBC recorded it in Gloucestershire in 1938, in Wiltshire in 1954 and in Dorset in 1954. What seems to be a quintessential West Country song actually turns up all over the country. Turmut Hoeing is included in Lucy Broadwood's 'English County Songs' collected in Oxfordshire and Shropshire's Fred Jordan also sang it. The song gained widespread popularity in the 1920s through its release on a 78-rpm recording by the country comedian Albert Richardson. Keith Summers recorded it from Norfolk singer Ted Laurence, which can be heard on TSCD670 'There is a Man upon the Farm'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Oct 04 - 02:34 PM Aw FM, I suppose I can understand the marmite bit - I think it is a love it or hate it food but mashed tatties and swede on toast, you don't know what you are missing - at least not if you happen to like all the bits on thier own. I noticed gioks comments. I'm pretty much easy to please with any veg. I don't like butter beans and if I have to eat broad beans, they must be young but beyond that, I think I enjoy everything I've tried (wish I was the same with meat on the occasions I eat it - I'm very fussy there). I'm drifting way off topic here but a nice discovery for me this year was Swiss Chard. Very similar in taste to spinach which I also enjoy (Pip cooks a wonerful spinach and cheese pie for one) and is growing outside and it doesn't bolt as spinach can. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: open mike Date: 12 Oct 04 - 02:49 PM ah what about the lowly parsnip? |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,MMario Date: 12 Oct 04 - 02:56 PM oh - sure, try to distract us with an Umbellifer - even if it is related to carrots, parsley, dill, celery and Queen Anne's Lace! |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: KateG Date: 12 Oct 04 - 03:10 PM ahhhhh, parsnips! Actually, I like all the root veggies. My idea of winter heaven is to chop up potatoes, rutabaga (swead), sweet potato, turnip, carrot, parsnip and whatever, toss it in olive oil with a bit of salt and pepper and some chopped rosemary, and roast it in the oven till the veggies are a little crispy on the outside and soft on the inside. mmmmmmm. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Oct 04 - 03:11 PM I don't know the families but OM, I love parsnip as well, especially roasted. Don't think they would make a good lantern though... |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: John MacKenzie Date: 12 Oct 04 - 03:17 PM Parsnip Chips [Freedom Parsnips?] Yum yum! Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,MMario Date: 12 Oct 04 - 03:22 PM since we've drifted to root veggies more or less in general - has anyone ever had hamburg parsley? It's a variety of parsley which has big roots - as celeriac is more or less a celery with big roots. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Oct 04 - 03:26 PM Ditto to the yum there. Swede can also make nice chips. We haven't done it in a while but it is not unknown for us to have a mixed selection of chips rather than just spuds. We do tend to be lazy though on the occasions when we use the deep fat fryer just use pre-cut frozen chips. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: CarolC Date: 12 Oct 04 - 03:31 PM Thanks for that, John 'Giok' MacKenzie. The various Newfoundland dialects and accents tend to be very similar to whatever dialect or accent was found in the specific area of England or Ireland the people in that part of Newfoundland originally came from. The outport villages and towns especially, being isolated until fairly recently, have retained modes of speech that have sometimes since been lost in their areas of origin in England and Ireland. However, Newfoundlanders do invent a lot of their own words, so there are also many distintly Newfoundland words and expressions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Jack the Sailor Date: 12 Oct 04 - 03:54 PM Me thinks you are right about the origin. Twenty five years ago when I was Listening to Bob Seger and the Boss, Newfoundland was experiencing a bit of a folklore boom. Universities in Western England and in Ireland, to study dialects in the outports (isolated villiages) because these dialects were proportely the same as dialiects in the British Isles which had disappeared a hungred years or more ago. At least that's what the news of the day said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Jack the Sailor Date: 12 Oct 04 - 03:56 PM I forgot to address the above post to Giok. A little help please mudelf? Please start the post with ... Giok, Good sir, :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Emma B Date: 12 Oct 04 - 03:57 PM having just eaten neaps (the big yellow ones) and tatties tonight (not on toast - perish the thought); perhaps for the sake of intercultural harmony we should stick to that noun! But parsnip and beetroot crisps........yesssssssssss! also Celeriac is nice! |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Oct 04 - 04:06 PM Not had the Hamburg Parsley Mmario but I have eaten and enjoyed Celeriac. I don't believe that Pip has ever grown it since moving to Norfolk but I went through the Marshalls (a UK supplier) catalogue at the end of last week with her and it was selected as something we intend growing next season. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Snuffy Date: 12 Oct 04 - 04:29 PM "Swede" is just a contraction of "Swedish Turnip". They are all turnips, but the big tough ones are called Swedes, just as big tough cats are called lions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Fibula Mattock Date: 12 Oct 04 - 05:29 PM Ahhh, Snuffy, the voice of reason and diplomacy! But surely, John-Giok, in Zumerzet they iz called wurzels?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: John MacKenzie Date: 12 Oct 04 - 06:09 PM Mangel wurzels Dr Kate! Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Jim Dixon Date: 12 Oct 04 - 06:58 PM Who says they're the same species? Turnip (Brassica rapa) Pictures: Turnip - Root, Turnip - Plant, Turnip - Leaf Rutabaga (Brassica napobrassica) Pictures: Rutabaga - Root, Rutabaga - Plant, Rutabaga - Leaf |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Jim Dixon Date: 12 Oct 04 - 07:24 PM MMario is right about broccoli and cauliflower being the same species, though: Cauliflower: Brassica oleracea L. (Botrytis group) Pictures: Cauliflower - Head, Cauliflower - Plant, Cauliflower - Leaf Broccoli: Brassica oleracea L. (Italica group) Pictures: Broccoli - Flowers, Broccoli - Plant, Broccoli - Leaf |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Oct 04 - 07:30 PM Yep Jim, I believe that (broccili/cabbage) is all brassica. Not sure where that fits in with the parsnip/ swede one though. I think a carrot is of of the parseley family. Mmario can probably advise. He does know FAR more than me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Oct 04 - 07:34 PM Pip and I could be wrong but at first thought we thing a parsnip is a parsley like a carrot is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Jim Dixon Date: 12 Oct 04 - 08:23 PM Does anybody have any pictures of lanterns made from turnips or swedes? Do you carve faces in them? In the US, they're called jack-o'-lanterns and they traditionally involve the carving of a grotesque face. (There is a recent trend to carve other things. I once carved a Celtic knot design in a pumpkin, which I was rather proud of. But I draw the line at stuff like this: Click here.) I've never heard of anyone in the US using anything other than a pumpkin. It seems to me that a turnip or rutabaga, having a solid body, would be trickier to carve than a pumpkin, and more dangerous, especially if you let kids wield knives. Is there a technique that makes it easier or safer? |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: MMario Date: 12 Oct 04 - 10:28 PM whoops! okay - turnips and rutabagas *are* different species - but they can still crossbreed! and they are closely related. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:28 PM I am as a child in these matters, but I thought all the turnips that aren't rutabagas are turnips, and the others are rutabagas, and the idea of digging swedes out of the ground and eating them gives me the bull horrors. I was afraid someone would mention mangel wurzels and spoil the simple beauty of my classification system, and now someone has. Bah. I can remember people calling potatoes "murphys," and I don't like that much better than "swedes." clint |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: richlmo Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:54 PM Someone said , " No one in the U.S. noticed the leaves......" Beg to differ. Turnip Greens are a culinary delight here in the Southern part of the U.S. Turnips and Greens cooked together can be a treat beyond compare. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: open mike Date: 13 Oct 04 - 12:34 AM ahh yes...kohlrabi--usually eaten raw if i remember right.. and today someone treated me to a taste of Oriental Jicama.. yum sweet and tender the jicama of the mexican variety is a bit more starchy and now as juicy...the Chinese ones were in a Hmong booth at the farmer's mkt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: dianavan Date: 13 Oct 04 - 04:00 AM I was just going to mention kohlrabi but you beat me to it open mike. I once made kohlrabi pickles but have never tried to carve one. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 13 Oct 04 - 04:04 AM My mate Alan married a Swede. Everyone said that one was a turnip for the books... I think you could be onto something in Ireland, Fib. Why don't we just call every vegetable a turnip? Save a lot of labelling hastles in the veg shops! We could have the long thin orange turnips or the little round green turnips or even the green leafy turnips you put in salad. Yes! What a stroke of genius... Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Fibula Mattock Date: 13 Oct 04 - 04:40 AM Because, DtG, then we wouldn't have scallions anymore. *sigh* Honestly! |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST Date: 13 Oct 04 - 09:04 AM Do you put a few chopped scallions in your mashed turnips, Fibs? |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Fibula Mattock Date: 13 Oct 04 - 10:31 AM Haven't tried it as yet... it's not a bad thought though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 13 Oct 04 - 10:42 AM And have it on TOAST FM ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: John MacKenzie Date: 13 Oct 04 - 10:51 AM Celeriac anybody? Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Boab Date: 14 Oct 04 - 05:32 AM Just checking Mario's post, 'way up the list. I think maybe the "French turnip" is now the "Freedom turnip"? [:-)!] |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: catspaw49 Date: 14 Oct 04 - 09:57 AM There ain't nothin' on gawd's green earth worse than being a kid and digging into that mound of mashed potatoes with the big blob of melting butter and having your mouth discover it is really mashed turnips. When Jesus said "suffer the little children," he was talking about mashed fuckin' turnips. Some of the veggies in this thread were simply meant for each other. Broccoli and cauliflower for instance are not only wonderful together but the combination grown as as "Broccoflower" is very tasty as well. Parsnips were made to be cooked with carrots, enhancing the taste of each. Turnips were made to be thrown into mouldering piles of horseshit in the hopes of improving the taste of the turnip. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Fibula Mattock Date: 14 Oct 04 - 10:49 AM Spaw m'dear, I feel the need to direct you towards this enlightening site: The Advanced Rutabaga Studies Institute |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Bill D Date: 14 Oct 04 - 11:02 AM old joke... 75% of the Rutabagas sold in the US are eaten by Republicans....the rest are thrown away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: John MacKenzie Date: 14 Oct 04 - 11:10 AM What about the one they elected last time, is he part of the 75%, or part of the 25%? We need to know! Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Bill D Date: 14 Oct 04 - 05:43 PM Bush senior refused to eat broccoli "I'm president, I don't have to eat it!"......I suppose the Shrub would refuse a LOT of things like that... (The joke didn't say WHICH Republicans ate all that stuff....just that ONLY Republicans ate it..*grin*) |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: alison Date: 17 Oct 04 - 01:41 AM ah well better late than never....... the turnips we had back in Ireland were big purple things - about the size of a small pumpkin (read football - and for the Americans - read soccer!!). and they carved really well and made great lanterns with one serious drawback, after a few days and several candles they STANK!!!! Swedes were fist sized "overgrown parsnips". over here in Oz they have turnips - which look like radishes on steroids!! not much bigger than a fist and bl**dy useless as lanterns... and I still don't know how the hell you're meant to carve anything out of a pumpkin unless you're a dab hand with a chainsaw.... the bugers are rock hard!! they don't understand scallions over here either Fib - god knows what they put in their champ!! slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: jaze Date: 17 Oct 04 - 10:48 AM One rutabaga boiled and mashed with potatoes is delicious. I don't think I could handle them(or turnips) alone. I can understand your disappointment, Spaw. Another root vegetable that is being sadly neglected here is the beet! Beets and beet greens cooked together are heaven. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Geoff the Duck Date: 17 Oct 04 - 01:47 PM CarolC - you mention "emmits" in Newfoundland. The word is used (not sure how they spell it) in Cornwall and means an ant. It is also used as a term describing tourists, who presumably swarm like ants through the county. Fibula - whan I was young we carved turnips for halloween. What we carved is the orange fleshed one we now tend to call a swede. As Snuffy says, the name is shortened from "Swedish Turnip". I note that earlier in the thread some refer to the white fleshed ones as "French Turnip". I expect it was easier to call the bigger one "a swede" than to call the smaller type "a french". Anyway - isn't a Rutabago one of them american house-sized camper vans? Quack!! Geoff the Duck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: John MacKenzie Date: 17 Oct 04 - 02:21 PM No that's a WinnieMandela Geoff! Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Seamus Kennedy Date: 18 Oct 04 - 02:52 AM Sorry to check in so late. Road trip you know. Alison and Fibula are entirely correct. Turnip Lanterns made with turnips. Not rutabagas, not swedes, not danes, not norwegians, not finns, not mangels, not wurzels - TURNIPS. End of discusssion. Spaw, you know not whereof you speak. Seamus |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Jim Dixon Date: 18 Oct 04 - 05:32 AM Alison: I'm surprised to hear you say pumpkins are rock-hard. That's not what they're like here in the USA. Are we talking about the same thing? According to The University of Florida:
This page at Wikipedia, in the upper right illustration, shows the kind of pumpkin I'm familiar with, and which we carve into jack o' lanterns. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 18 Oct 04 - 06:09 AM Interesting all these different definitions... Jim to me, (lived in England and Wales), a pumpkin is the kind you are familiar with. I would not use the term for any other squash which to me is a generic term for a family which includes the pumpkin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 18 Oct 04 - 08:25 AM I've heard of a French letter. But a French turnip??? You guys are sick...;-) DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Oct 04 - 12:02 PM Swedes are very open minded about things like that. ¦¬] Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: TheBigPinkLad Date: 18 Oct 04 - 01:37 PM In County Durham, England, turnips are sometimes called snaggers and sometimes norkies and sometimes turnips. The ones used for halloween are the Swede variety. And now, a root veg poem: Parsnips New things! Fashioned in facsimile Of old. Bright things! Modelled on shadows Of yore. True things! Butter with flavour Of thyme. Parsnips, Ah, buttered parsnips! |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 18 Oct 04 - 05:22 PM Oh and as I live in Norfolk, we must not forget "Turnip Townsend" - quite an important player in the use of root crops. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Geoff the Duck Date: 19 Oct 04 - 04:34 PM Pa-snips - isn't that what surgeons use for doing a vasectomy? Quack!! GtD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: GUEST,optic Date: 03 May 07 - 10:01 AM I'm from Durham England too BigPinkLad, and we always called the purple skinned ,yellow flesh, large vegetable,ie.Turnips -"Snarters".We used turnips to carve lanterns, or as we called them "Jack Shine O' Maggies". Swedes on the other hand,are the much smaller variety,with white flesh and lighter purple skin. I remember so-0-0 well this very difference being literally "smacked " into us young girls,by our domestic science teacher, many moons ago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: turnip vs. swede (vs. rutabaga) From: Penny S. Date: 03 May 07 - 05:55 PM That's interesting - down in Kent I was taught the other way round - understanding a swede could be called a turnip somewhere, but a turnip was not called a swede - I now find in Wikipedia, the reverse is also true. Not just Durham, but also Scotland. Penny |
