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Tune Req: Sheet music for 'El Preso Numero Nueve'

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El Preso Numero Nueve [Hermanos Cantaral] (from the Young Folk Song Book)


GUEST,sandynewlap 03 Nov 04 - 02:35 PM
GUEST,Skipy 04 Nov 04 - 09:23 AM
GUEST,sandynewlap 04 Nov 04 - 12:10 PM
Q 04 Nov 04 - 12:30 PM
Joe Offer 04 Nov 04 - 01:07 PM
skipy 04 Nov 04 - 02:15 PM
skipy 04 Nov 04 - 02:24 PM
Q 04 Nov 04 - 07:17 PM
Joe Offer 04 Nov 04 - 08:21 PM
Joe Offer 05 Nov 04 - 01:32 AM
GUEST,skipy 05 Nov 04 - 05:49 AM
GUEST,sandynewlap 05 Nov 04 - 08:39 AM
Joe Offer 05 Nov 04 - 11:21 AM
GUEST,sandynewlap 05 Nov 04 - 02:06 PM
Q 18 Nov 04 - 12:59 PM
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Subject: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: GUEST,sandynewlap
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 02:35 PM

Does anyone know if sheet music for the 20th century son huasteco song, "El Preso Numero Nueve" ("The Ninth Prisoner") exists? Joan Baez recorded in the 60's. I've done some searching for sheet music with no success, including in Joan Baez songbooks and on mudcat. (I found the mudcat thread with lyrics, but no mention of sheet music). My daughter would use this song in the Bland Music Scholarship competition if I can ever find any sheet music (the Lions Club, who sponsors the scholarship, requires sheet music in order to compete, which makes it hard for a performer of traditional music)!


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:23 AM

It looks like you may get it

sheetmusicplus.com

good luck with it.

Skipy


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: GUEST,sandynewlap
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:10 PM

Hi Skipy,
Actually, I had already searched there, but I just did another search, just in case. I can't seem to find it! Did you actually find it on that site? Maybe I don't know how to search!


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: Q
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:30 PM

I searched a couple of large sheet music sites as well, without luck. It is also not in "The Joan Baez Songbook," which has music for a lot of her songs.


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:07 PM

Hi, Sandy-
I found it in a book called Young Folk Song Book, a Fireside book published by Simon & Schuster in 1963. It doesn't have any background information, but it does have a musical arrangement by Earl Robinson. Contact me by e-mail and we'll work out some way for you to get it.
We still could use more information on this song. Anybody know anything about its background?
Here's what Baez says about it in her Rare, Live & Classic box set:
    When I was a teenager, I went to Trinidad with my boyfriend, Michael. His father had a record of Trios Los Paraguyos (sic*). This song was on their record. I fell in love with it immediately and spent that 17-day excursion working on it. Something inside me hears a song and says, "Sing that one." It's not very scientific.
Baez credits the song to "Hermanos Cantoral." Could it be that Baez is the only person who brought this song to the U.S.? The song was on her 1989 album, Diamonds and Rust in the Bullring. It's also on the earlier Vanguard album, Joan Baez.
-Joe Offer-
joe@mudcat.org

*Trios Los Paraguayos


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: skipy
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 02:15 PM

go to abe in search engine, fill in author & title as "Offered" by Joe above!
press enter, select lowest price in box on the right, press go.

This will list every copy out there for sale, you by the sound of it only nead a "reading copy".

Any problems please come back to this thread.

Regards Skipy


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: skipy
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 02:24 PM

There are 13 copies out there at the moment, cheapest under £6-00 , all are stateside.

Regards Skipy


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: Q
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 07:17 PM

What is abe? Not Abebooks, which shows nothing for "El Preso Numero Nueve" and sheet music. Tried both US and UK websites.


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:21 PM

I think Skipy means the Young Folk Song Book (click). Copies run from $3.83 at alibris to about ninety bucks. Caveat emptor.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: DT Correction: El Preso Numero Nueve
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:32 AM

Here's the version I found in the songbook. My Spanish isn't good enough to say whether it's more correct than the one in the DT and the ones in the other thread.
-Joe Offer-


El Preso Número Nueve
(Hermanos Cantoral)
(English Translation by John Cooke)

1. El preso número nueve, ya lo van a confesar.
Está rezando en la celda con el cura del penal,
Porque ante este amanecer, la vida le han de quitar,
Porque mató a su mujer y un amigo desleal.
Dice asi, al confesar, "Los maté, si señor,
Y si vuelvo a nacer, yo los vuelvo a matar.
Padre no me arrepiento, ni me da miedo la eternidad.
Yo sé que allá en el cielo el Ser Supremo nos juzgará,
Voy a seguir sus pasos, voy a buscarlos al más allá."
Ah ya ya ya! [Ya!]


1. They are hearing the confession of the ninth prisoner.
He is praying in the cell with the prison priest,
Because, before the dawn, they are going to take his life
Because he killed an unfaithful friend and his wife.
In his confession he says, "Yes, Father, I killed them,
And if I am born again, I will kill them again.
Father, I do not repent, nor am I afraid of eternity.
I know there is God up in heaven and that He will judge us.
I am going to follow their footsteps into the hereafter."

2. El preso número nueve era un hombre muy cabal.
Iba la noche del duelo, muy contento en su jacal,
Pero al mirar a su amor, en brazos de su rival,
Ardió en pecho el rencor y no se pudo aguantar.
Al sonar el clarin, se formó el pelotón;
Y rumbo al paredón, se oye al preso decir:
"Padre no me arrepiento, ni me da miedo la eternidad.
Yo sé que allá en el cielo el Ser Supremo nos juzgará,
Voy a seguir sus pasos, voy a buscarlos al más allá."
Ah ya ya ya! Ya!


2. The ninth prisoner was a real man.
The night of his downfall, he went contentedly to his hut,
But when he saw his love in the arms of his rival,
Rancor arose in his breast and he was unable to control himself.
When the bell sounded, the firing squad was formed;
And from the direction of the low wall, they heard the prisoner say:
"Father, I do not repent, nor am I afraid of eternity.
I know there is God up in heaven and that He will judge us.
I am going to follow their footsteps into the hereafter."


from Young Folk Song Book, Simon & Schuster, 1963

In the Baez recording, the [Ya] in brackets is omitted in the first chorus.

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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: GUEST,skipy
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 05:49 AM

Still working on this!

Nightmare!

Skipy


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: GUEST,sandynewlap
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 08:39 AM

I've been really pleased with all the response to my search for this music! I already had the words; they are actually on the liner notes from a Joan Baez CD that I've got, and since she doesn't sing the exact same words as are on the liner notes, I've compared those with words on various websites.

Is there sheet music in the Young Folk Song Book? I'm hoping so! I tried clicking the link that Joe put in for the book, but I always get an error message.

I really appreciate everyone's help on this!

Thanks,

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:21 AM

Hi, Sandy - looks like Bookfinder.com has changed, and I can't make search links there. Just go to www.bookfinder.com (click) and search for young folk song book. It'll come right up.
Yes, it has sheet music - the arrangement is 6 pages long.
If you have trouble, send me an e-mail.
-Joe Offer-
joe@mudcat.org


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: GUEST,sandynewlap
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:06 PM

I went to abebooks.com, I found it, and it doesn't cost too much. Whew! Thanks to Skipy and Joe!
Sandy


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: Q
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 12:59 PM

Joe, there are errors in the DT. The lyrics in the "Young Folk Song Book" that you posted are more correct. (I won't say perfect, but a Mexican friend of mine OK'ed them)


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: GUEST,ralph
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 09:09 PM


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: GUEST,ralph
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 09:20 PM

hi sandy I know of a texas mexican music group called conjunto bernal
they have a cd called conjunto bernal 20 exitos look this cd up and
you will hear the tejano version of el preso numero nueve. I am sure
you will enjoy thier style and version of this song, also thier lyrics
are a little different. I hope this may be helpful to you, goodluck.


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Subject: RE: Sheet music for El Preso Numero Nueve?
From: rich-joy
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 09:28 PM

It appears in Joan Baez songbook entitled "Country Girl album" - Southern Cross Publishing Co Ltd, 1966, London, featuring 8 songs.

"El Preso Numero Nueve" - Huapango - words and music by Los Hnos, Cantoral - copyright 1955 Promotora Hispano Americana de Musica, S.A."

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sheet music for 'El Preso Numero Nueve'
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 10 - 12:50 AM

Gerardo Reyes' video on youtube much better than Baez. "El Preso No.9=Gerardo Reyes" Infidelity (cuckold) has its revenge!


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