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Subject: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 11:50 PM

Okay, I don't get it.

Condi Rice went beforew the 9/11 Comissiopn and said she didn't have a clue that Al Qida was out to get us then....

Yesterdays New York Times gets their hands on a copy of a 13 page memo writtne by Ricartd Carke (rememeber him) sent to Condi Rice telling her just about everything that Al Qidi had panned for the US except the actual date and time???

So Condi tells the 9/11 Commisssion that she didn't have a clue???

Like, now that the 13 page detailed memo about what Al Qida had planned for the US (with the exception ot the *exact dates and times*) I am wondering what Condi and her apologists have to say???

Bobert


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From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 11:54 PM

I say she has a good chance of possibly running for President.

Who in office don't you hate, bobert?

Why don't you run for something instead of always shooting off your fat, whining mouth?

You are a facist, bobert.


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From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 11:56 PM

Okay, I know this isn't a true obituary, but maybe it is for this national sport, at least as we know it at the professional level. I also know that few folks outside of Canada (or Canadians) are interested, so please bear with me, or skip to the next thread.

For two years, the players and owners have been arguing back and forth over a new binding agreement for wages, bonuses, job security, etc. The most recent contract expired this past spring/summer, and since then the owners have locked out the players... now, on the eve of cancelling the entire season, the players' union has gone back and said, "Okay owners, you can get what you want (sorta)." But, the owners rejected that offer, wanting a little more....

that being said... does anyone care? as far as hockey fans like myself, I mean...


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From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 11:57 PM

Goodnight, Bobert. I'm going to bed.


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From: DougR
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:09 AM

Right, Bopert, let's lynch Condi Rice.

DougR


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From: Peace
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:21 AM

Condi what? Why not lynch Chicken Fried or Steamed?


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:31 AM

Martin, old pal, I think you are losing it. Those dang liberals have finally driven you mad. Look, I'm Canadian, and I don't give a hang about the stupid hockey league. They lost all credibility decades ago. I loved them back in the late 60's, early 70's, but those days are gone. You want real hockey? Watch the better European teams play it.

Now, Bobert, I have a simple answer to your question, "What makes Condi lie?"

Politics, Bobert. Politics. It makes all of them lie frequently. If Kerry had gotten elected president, he would be telling lies now too, and hanging in in Iraq. Our PM, Paul Martin, lies regularly. It goes with the job. You've almost GOT to lie. You're in big trouble if you don't. In Ms Rice's case, the lies are pretty outrageous, admittedly, but hey, when you launch "pre-emptive" attacks on other countries...like the Germans did on a number of occasions (Poland, Norway, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Yugoslavia, Greece, Russia), and like the Japanese did on a number of occasions (China, French Indochina, Hong Kong, Malaya, the Dutch East Indies, Pearl Harbour, etc)...well...then the lies necessarily HAVE to get pretty wild. How DO you call unprovoked aggression, "liberation"? Hmmm. It's a toughie.

So, give her a break, man! She's undah presshah! :-)


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:39 AM

p.s. Actually, the Japanese attacks on America in '41 WERE provoked by Roosevelt's trade embargo on Japan...but that's beside the point. It was still blatant aggression, regardless. Roosevelt needed a war in order to deal with Germany, and he got one.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Teresa
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:48 AM

Martin says: "I say she has a good chance of possibly running for President."

Ha ha ha ha! You may be more righter than you think!   Ah, the irony!

Teresa


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Boab
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 01:04 AM

Nobody but Rush Limbaugh is more righter than Martin!


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: MarkS
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 01:59 AM

Just think.

The Republicans run Condi

The Democrats run Hillary

What will the threads and comments here be like then?

It boggles the mind!


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Teresa
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 02:18 AM

I say we need an Emma Goldman or a Mother Jones.

Oh boy, now I'm in for it. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 05:02 AM

Whoeee, T!!

Martin, what do you think about the discrepancy that Bobert is pointing out in the first post?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:10 AM

The idea of the Republicans running Condoleeza Rice for president and the Democrats running Hillary Clinton is...just...riveting! My Gawd.

I hope they do it. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: GUEST,observer
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:13 AM

Martin, got any opinions about hockey??? In this thread, like all your comments, all you ever do is repeat your same old argument over and over.

Martin, you twit!


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From: Pied Piper
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:15 AM

Martin


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From: Pied Piper
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:16 AM

You


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From: Pied Piper
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:17 AM

must


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From: Pied Piper
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:17 AM

deal


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From: Pied Piper
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:17 AM

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From: Pied Piper
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:17 AM

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From: Pied Piper
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:18 AM

stutter.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:20 AM

LOL! Was it worth the trouble, Pied?


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From: Pied Piper
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:23 AM

Needs must when the Devil vomits in your kettle.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:26 AM

Does any politician need a reason to lie? I thought they had their truth recognition circuits surgically removed just after birth.

DT


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:28 AM

If they do decide to run Hillary against Condi in 2008, it should make for a great debate. I can hardly wait. Geez.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Once Famous
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:34 AM

Pied Piper, you have vomit in your underpants and it ain't your own.


who cares?

condi Rice is going to be quite the fine Secretary of State.

she is an articulate and brilliant woman settling into a very tough job.

I like her style.

bobert, you would stain your shorts if you were in her position. go whine about something else or think up some other thing to just bitch about in your life.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Pied Piper
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:00 PM

Qualities conspicuous by their absence in your good-self Martin.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Peace
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:02 PM

Condi puppets the administration line. Too bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: heric
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:18 PM

I don't think anyone on earth didn't think Al Qaeda wasn't out to get the US, and airliners, and especially US airliners, for the past decade or two, so I doubt she ever said that in the first place. Islamic terrorists hitting the US and US airliners has been the stuff of B movies for decades. Arnold made much of his career on it.

Anyway, to answer the question, try chocolates and flowers.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: heric
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:33 PM

She is accused of lying because she didn't take immediate and specific action even after hearing: "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States." Think back in time. If you had heard that, you would be as impressed as you would by reading "Global Warming Good for Canada."

Here's where you nail her for lying (I think):

On March 9, 2003, just eleven days before the invasion of Iraq, Dr. Rice appeared on "Face the Nation" and said:

"Now the al-Qaida is an organization that's quite dispersed and --and quite widespread in its effects, but it clearly has had links to the Iraqis, not to mention Iraqi links to all kinds of other terrorists. And what we do not want is the day when Saddam Hussein decides that he's had enough of dealing with sanctions, enough of dealing with, quote, unquote, "containment," enough of dealing with America, and it's time to end it on his terms, by transferring one of these weapons, just a little vial of something, to a terrorist for blackmail or for worse."


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 01:24 PM

That's what I was reminded of, heric. At the hearing she said specifically that to her recollection she had not been warned by the previous administration of any al-Quaeda plot. Then she was asked about the paper that had been discussed at an in-house meeting and was asked: What was the title of that paper?

She said, without a blush: I think it was titled 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within the US.'


gaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 05:56 PM

Her lying's probably due to her good "christian" upbringing and beliefs-
just like Duimbya himself & the rest of his crew.

Dear Lord, protect me from your followers.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 09:10 PM

Who are mostly just following the tail of the person immediately ahead of them...


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 09:22 PM

Martin,
   You can't possibly believe that about Condi? Can You?

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 09:51 PM

Martin is beyond beliefs, Peter...

He is nuthin' more than a clown in Bush's circus...

Nuthin' more...

Howver, with that said, I enjoy his *liitle* acts. They are as harmless as they are of substance...

No one need minimilize Martin. He's doing a fine job...

Meanwhile, I continue to find it very disturbing that Condi Rice, who has now been proven to be lieing her butt off, is Sectretary of State... This does no bode well for our foriegn policy over the next 4 years...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: dianavan
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 03:40 AM

She's tough, she's smart and she's loyal but she's a misguided,   immoral, deceitful, Auntie Tom.

...and she basks in the approval she gets from the old boys.

In other words, she is a self-serving, ego-maniac.


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From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 04:59 PM

bobert,

she's in and you are as you would say, nuthin'

Your grammar stinks.

As well as your choice of words and political posturing.

Everyday you dish out your anti-establishment bullshit and everyday I just love rieiculing it for what it is.

Just bullshit.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 05:16 PM

Sounds like a kind of symbiotic relationship to me... :-)


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From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 05:29 PM

That's what I was thinking, Little Hawk. Kind of like a well-fed sparrow. Happy, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 10:46 PM

Q: What amkes Condi Lie?

A: Speaking.



Stephen Lee


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 12:29 PM

The lies are the Party Line. Bush is her politcal "husband". She said so publicly although it turned out to be a Freudian gaffe on her part.

She isn't saying anything different from any of the other GOP lockstep commentators such as Limbaugh, Hannity, Rumsfeld,
Perle etc. etc.

She is a fine, articulate parrot who cleverly avoids answering any question directly or taking responsibility for anything she does.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Col K
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 06:41 PM

In other words she is a politician


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From: Azizi
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 07:47 PM

Question: What makes Condi Lie?

Response: Well it ain't her soul...

****

Dianavan: ["Auntie Tom"] You go, girlfiend!!

And for those who may not be 'in the know':
         
The term "Auntie Tom" can very well serve as a modern day slicked up version of "Aunt Jemima".

"Aunt Jemina" started out as an African American referent for a bandana wearing country 'colored' gal who wasn't 'hip' to city ways..[see Thomas Talley's 1922 Negro Folk Rhymes for a couple of insult rhymes about the country "Aunt Jemima" who doesn't know the city's "toney" ways...]

The pancake mix brand helped to popularize the "Aunt Jemima" term & image. There actually were head scarf, apron wearing African American women who were payed by that company to become the embodiment of Aunt Jemima as they publicly promoted that brand by cooking pancakes in the 'hood {before it was called the 'hood}...

BTW, studying how the image of Aunt Jemima has changed on the pancake package could be its own research project}.

In the late 1960s, African Americans began derisively using "Aunt Jemima" as a female version of 'Uncle Tom'. In this context [the only one that is usually meant then & now] 'Aunt Jemima' is a woman who in a red hot minute thinks nothing of selling her folks {and others} down the river for her massa's benefit and for her own
self-interest...

"Hankerchief head" is another African American [usually male]insult term for Black folk who tom.. One cover of the now retired Black magazine Emerge had a drawing of 'the Supreme' Clarence Thomas with a hankerchief tied in the front of his head...That magazine cover created a lot of controversy as some Black folks [and others] said that it went over the line.

Personally, I thought it was hilarious and right on point.


Azizi


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From: Peace
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 07:53 PM

It is an erroneous conclusion that women are better than men just because they're women (this was suggested on another thread by someone). Power corrupts, and absolute power . . . . One should expect little else from those who jockey and position themselves to be 'next in line' in Washington. Even when they are shown to be deceitful people, they can rest assured of good retirement benefits and a fantastic book deal. Why does she lie? Because she can. Same reason so many of the rest do.


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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 08:55 PM

Condi whacks Clark

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/whacka.jpg


Condi song and dance

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushdance.jpg


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From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 11:41 PM

bobert's just got a problem with black women.


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From: Azizi
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 11:53 PM

Oh Martin,

give me a break...

Are you representative of all White men...

I don't think so..

IMNSHO, Condi has a problem with Condi...
And unfortunately, that problem plays out in the world and not just in her soul.

Azizi,
a sista sista [that means a Black woman, Martin, in case you didn't know...]


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: NH Dave
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 12:22 AM

Try arrogance. She has more education than most of us have on foreign affairs, and she doesn't mind lording it over those of us who can't possibly be as smart as she. She also pulls a really sour face when told to do something that she feels is beneath her, when her boss requires it.

    Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 12:04 PM

Ok... take a deep breath, and repeat after me...

Think very carefully before you place your trust in a politician. It doesn't matter if they're black or white, male or female, whatever...when they speak, there's a ninety percent chance they're lying. It's almost a requirement of the job. Rememeber- dishonesty amongst politicians is only a matter of degree.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 12:10 PM

True, Blissful.

I am contacting William Shatner to see if he knows some agent who could arrange a steel cage jello wrestling match in Las Vegas between Hillary and Condi. I figure such an event could raise a tremendous amount of money for disaster relief. The only thing that worries me is that Hillary may be getting too old for that sort of thing. We'll have to see. If so, then another opponent must be found for Ms Rice, and she must be a certified and famous liberal!


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From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 12:12 PM

Germaine Greer?


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From: George Papavgeris
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 12:56 PM

Tiredness, I think...


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From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 01:06 PM

Barbra Streisand comes to mind....


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 03:27 PM

Yeah, I thought of Streisand too. But she is also getting a little old for the ring. There's got to be someone out there of the female liberal persuasion who can match Condi in youthfullness, vigour, and sheer ferocity...

Jane Fonda would have been perfect a couple of decades back. Hmmm. Maybe still.

How old is Ms Rice, anyway?


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Azizi
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 04:28 PM

Q: How old is Ms. Rice anyway.
A: Old enough to know better.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 04:34 PM

Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama


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From: Azizi
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 06:11 PM

like I said old enough to know better..

And for the astrology buffs among us: here's Condi's planetary placements [with the moon calculated at noon that day]:

Sun      Scorpio 21 degrees
Moon    Cancer 15
Mercury Scorpio 2
Venus    Scorpio 22 degrees retrograde
Mars    Aquarius 16
Jupiter Cancer 29
Saturn   Scorpio 13
Uranus   Cancer 27 degrees retrograde
Neptune Libra 26
Pluto    Leo 26
North
node    Capricorn 6

... In astrology, your natal chart (sometimes called birth chart) is a graph that shows the positions of the planets and astrological houses in the sky at the time of your birth...

More.. here:

http://www.chartplanet.com/html/natal_charts.html

[sorry..I can't get the clicky to work for some strange reason]..

For those who know even a little bit about astrology, it is very significant that Condi has a very close conjunction [planets in the same sign and up to 10 degrees apart] between her sun [ego/the self] and her Venus [love, that which she desires/finds attractive] and less close, between her Saturn [rules, structure, ambition].

For those like me interested in astrology, have fun!


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Peace
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 06:18 PM

Blue Clicky


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From: Azizi
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 06:25 PM

Thanks Brucie.

That was nice of you.

I appreciate it and hope that to be forgiven for this thread
drift.

Azizi


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: dianavan
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 02:27 PM

Azizi said it best: "...is a woman who in a red hot minute thinks nothing of selling her folks {and others} down the river for her massa's benefit and for her own self-interest..."


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From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 03:19 PM

Wow. Real live racists.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 05:43 PM

A black woman who points out the hypocrisy and self-serving behaviour of another black woman is a racist???????


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From: dianavan
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 07:17 PM

Ebbie - Dooesn't matter what colour you are, if you rise to a position of power and then turn your back on the truth to please the power elite to gain their favour at the expense of the people, you are considered a traitor to your culture. In this case, Condi is Black so I used Black terminology with a modern day spin. Nothing racist about it. She isn't doing Black women or anyone else a favour. A very, poor role model, I'd say.

You, too, can rise to power and be rich beyond your wildest imagination if you sell your brain to the White man in Washington and pay lip service to the Neo Cons. Be sure to throw honesty and integrity out the window on your way up.


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From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 07:53 PM

First off, I do not for a moment believe that either Azizi or dianavan is racist. In my opinion, the remarks are. Calling Dr. Rice (whom I don't like or trust) an Aunt Jemima or an Auntie Tom or a token Negro is an uncalled-for insult, imo. She has a better education and job history than most of the people on this forum and is well qualified, on that basis, for the job she holds. As far as I'm concerned, one can call her insensitive, in love with her boss, even stupid and ignorant, but I don't think that we have any evidence that she got where she is because she is black.

For that matter, I see no reason why a person of color cannot be a racist. I suspect we have all known people - Europeans and Asians, in my experience - who are very bigoted against certain other colors and nationalities.


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From: Bobert
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 08:17 PM

Okay, she's insensitive, in love with her boss, stupid and ignorant...

Plus hse lies like a rug...

But other than those minor defects I'm sure she's a fine woman...

But I do have this feeling way down deep in my tummy that she could care less about most other blacks folks in America...

And I would also poijnt out that she is an oil-person and has her own oil tanker named after her. I find this disturbing since she and her boss keep coing up with *new and improved* reasons for invading oil-rich Iraq...

But, sniff, I love's ya, Ebbie, and I wish you was the Secretary of State. Sho nuff do...

Bobert


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 08:31 PM

Ah! Yes, now I follow your line of reasoning on that, Ebbie. Good point, actually. I suppose that giving too much importance or significance to what race a person is, IS, in a sense, a racist attitude of some kind.


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From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 08:35 PM

hahhaha Bobert, I agree with you. Like I said, I don't like or trust her. But she could be polka dotted for all I cared if only she had a better spirit.

Incidentally, I suspect that Rice has a lot of 'white' blood in her. (OF COURSE, I know that there is no such thing. So lay off. This is NOT to Bobert.) Shall she blame that circumstance for her insensitivity?


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From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 08:39 PM

bobert

Maybe you should get to know her before you pass judgment and make accusations about what she feels. I mean, bobert = speculation = Ted Kennedy = constipation.

Signed

Martin Gibson, telling the supposedly sennnnnnnnnnnnsitive liberal bobert to practive what he preaches.


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From: dianavan
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 08:49 PM

Who called Condi a token Negro? Not I. Tokenism is quite a different thing from being called an Aunt Jemima or Uncle Tom.

You said, "I don't think that we have any evidence that she got where she is because she is black." Nobody has suggested that. That is definitely tokenism.

Condi is not a token Negro. She is a very intelligent Black woman who kisses the butts of Neo Cons to entrench her position of power and authority. She does this by lying to the public and doing whatever the Neo Cons want her to do.

I think you have confused the terms Uncle Tom and Aunt Jemima with token Negro.

I'm waiting for Donuel to go out on a limb and compose a picture of Condi hanging her head and muttering, "Yes, Massah," while little children get blown to bits in the background. I feel more revulsion for her than I would a white man in the same position. She should know better!

Not often do Black women achieve a position of power. Being highly intelligent is a gift and a responsibility. She seems to have forgotten the responsible part of the equation. In other words, she has used her power in the same way it was used against her ancestors. She has no shame.

Ebbie - I don't expect White folks to understand how Women of Colour think but don't call me a racist just because you're confused. Thats plain ignorant, Honky talkin', from my point of view. Smarten up!


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From: Bobert
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 09:12 PM

I don't consider Condi a "token Negro" but very much a "house Negro", much like the black folk who lived in massa's house and did massa's biddin'... These folks were the cruelest folks on the plantations... Yeah, some of you may remember them as "overseers" and that is what they were called in those days. They were probably good people who were turned bad... I don't know... But they were no friend of the slaves, that much is fir certain...

I consider Condi squarely in the "house Negro" category. No racism here... Just fact... Condi Rice would be no safer in some of the nieghborhoods I know down in D.C. than Bush, Boss Hog or George Wallace, fir that matter...

Bobert


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From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 11:30 PM

Smarten up? See, I still see noting that she is black as being beside the point. If being black is part of the equation, I think that's an admirable part. It's not easy having to prove oneself every step of the way. It's difficult to do when one is a woman; being a black woman has to be harder.

Colin Powell is black but I don't know how hard it was for him, as a man, to make it to the top. I should think that the part that was hard for him as a black man was proving himself in the military, rather than in politics.

Nope. I think Condoleeza Rice's problem is not her blackness; it is something that she lacks inside herself. Much like her boss.


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From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 11:34 PM

If Condi were White, would most people have difficulty perceiving her to be a Neocon mouthpiece pandering to the Washington leadership? Spouting the Party Line? I doubt it. Her colour has little to do with her seeming dishonesty, IMO.


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From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 12:54 AM

That is my contention too, brucie.


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From: dianavan
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 11:44 AM

I will try to explain this again.

The problem with Condi being a black woman in a position of power and authority is that the model she provides to others is that the only way to get there is to serve the Neo Con agenda. It makes no difference to the White majority if she is Black or White but to women of colour she is a big disappointment. In other words, the only way to rise to the top is to kiss butt and deny your cultural heritage.

Condi is a bright woman who could have used her brains to serve the people but she has chosen to serve the Master.

This is a common problem for minority peoples. Once you are educated, your assimilation is so complete that you have more in common with the oppressive, ruling class than you do with your own people.


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From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 12:07 PM

And what kind of role model did Shirley Chisholm serve as? No neo-con, she. I repeat: Condoleeza Rice is a bright woman who has gone far- in the wrong direction. And it is because she has serious lacks inside herself, not because she is black.


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From: Azizi
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 12:17 PM

To all the White people who may be wearing rose colored
glasses as they work to make the world a place where
race & ethnicity truly will become valueless descriptions-
thanks for your idealized view of what the world is.
But because you are not a person of color living in a world
that still devalues people of color because of their group identities, please don't think you know what I or other
people of color think or feel.

Needless to say you can speculate all you wish,
but in this instance white is not necessarily right.


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From: Pied Piper
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 12:23 PM

"Maybe you should get to know her before you pass judgment and make accusations about what she feels"
An excellent point Martin, what a pity you don't take your own advice.

PP


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From: Azizi
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 12:40 PM

To Ebbie and Brucie, both well meaning folks I'm sure:

IMNSHO,

your hearts are in the right place...

I would prefer the world
to be as you idealize it..
but it ain't necessarily so.

And having said that I am DONE with discussion of the whys and wherefores of a woman I never met don't want to meet don't like don't approve of definitely don't respect as a human being a woman a smart woman a powerful woman a black woman ...If I could I would disown her from the dues playing club of sista sistas world wide, incorporated whose members know who they are and most others do too and yes she still is considered a sista sista by me and others since its a club you're born into-though some refuse to use their membership to othrs benefit and some who were not born as members have been known to have been granted membership otherwise-maybe some of you reading this- for services rendered to the greater all encompassing cause of one people IRREGARDLESS with truth and justice for all.

Best wishes,
and yours in friendship

Azizi


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From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 03:55 PM

It is the height of racism to assume that because Condi is Sec. of State and black that she is immune to criticism.

She lies. She is supporting the most ruthless regime in the history of American politics by the Bushnik Neocon cult.

Seymour Hersh of the New Yorker magazine has much to say about the state of our government, the lack of news media reportage, the total inability of those who dissent to even be tolerated by the Bushniks, the lockstep followers of the Neocon cult and the American public who are not privy to any decent or useful information about what is really going on in Iraq. The Baathist regime and the Nationals are so powerful there that the rate of American and Iraqi deaths are increasing exponentially each month. It was originally thought that Bush had won the war but what he didn't realize is that Baghdad was taken easilly for a reason. The guerilla warriors were fighting their war at their
convenient time, not Bush's.

Even the well-touted election has overtones of fraud and manipulation by the American Government. The well-intentioned Iraqi people are being exploited. Not many know that Allawi was a Baathist who may be pulling the rug out from the US. We know who Chalabi is and if he wins, you can be sure that the election was rigged. Even at that, how can you have an election that means anything at the point of a gun?

Bush doesn't care about the bodybags and the brain damaged.
The real amount of American casualties are unreported by the press. And we don't know the extent of the torture or the war crimes committed against innocent women and children either.
You're not going to find that in the US papers or media.

Do you honestly think that Condi or Bush will make a dent in the policies toward Iraq of the US former allies? They will be all too glad to see the dollar devalued and watch for the next step...
petro-Euros.

Condi is a symbol for all of this and she is being used by the Bushniks but doesn't know it.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 05:03 PM

"I would prefer the world
to be as you idealize it..
but it ain't necessarily so."

I don't know that I idealize the world. I simply refuse to factor Condi's race into the equation, that's all. I won't factor her gender in, either. That kinda thing just sounds like excuses to me. I am unclear as to where you stand with regard to C. Rice. First she's a sista sista, is that right? But wait--then isn't she a sista sista working for herself? And doesn't that then make her a Condi Condi instead?


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From: Azizi
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 06:06 PM

Because you sincerely asked, here is my response:

I believe that people have a personal identity and group identities. The personal identity is the person's name and physical characteristics as well as his/her interests & aptitudes [for instance John Doe is a man who is good at football}

The group identity includes the person's immediate family, extended family, region, state, nation, And group identity also refers to the person's ethnicity and race.. All of these identities may influence each other. Some may be more important to the person at any given time. And some may take on tremendous importance rightly or wrongly throughout the person's entire life. [for instance John Doe's great-great grandfather was the founding father of a particular town, and owned the town's only insdustry..John Doe is British and can trace his ancestry to the Duke of So and So..} John Doe's attitude toward himself will be influenced by all of this and by how people treat him because of these things.

With regard to Condi Rice, I believe that she has been largely shaped by the choices she made-Free will. Yet I do believe that to some greater or lesser extent she has been influenced by her race and her gender-and peoples reactions and responses to them.

I believe Condi is a politician who has turned her back on THE GOOD.
I think that she is part of one of the most repressive administrations in US history- one that is doing so much harm to the world-and not just in the Middle East. I believe that her race and gender has less to do with Condi's actions than her self-interest and lust for power. Yet I also believe that she has turned her back on the oppressed people of the world-and a great many of those oppressed people are people of color.

I was raised with the-admittedly simplistic and unrealistic view-that all African Americans were family. And family members were supposed to offer aid and comfort and a helping hand to other family members..I might add that experience has been a difficult teacher for me-as I acted on this philosophy in the real world and found out that many Black people don't live by it and think nothing about stabbing anyone Black White or Green in the back and in the heart.

So that is why I'm doubly disappointed in Condi Rice [and maybe triply disappointed since she is a woman as I am, but I wasn't raised with to have the expectation that women would help each other- I was raised with that tenet about Black peopel.]

I guess I am the idealist here..Like Rodney King, I want everyone to get along..

I want race and ethnicity to be value-less descriptors.

And I want everyone on Mudcat to be friends regardless of the positions they take on controversial issues.

Silly me.


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From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 06:15 PM

So that then makes her a less-than-admirable person. I don't want to qualify her as a less-than-admirable-Black person of the female gender. She fits right in with the Neocons--and that's that ISFAIAC.


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From: CarolC
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 06:39 PM

You're not silly at all, Azizi.

I think it's possible that Ms. Rice tells herself (so as to perhaps sleep better at night) that she is helping people with backgrounds similar to hers by getting into the positions of power she has been holding and that she holds now... that by getting into these positions, she is helping to raise the glass ceiling for such people.    At least I think that when I'm feeling generous.

On the other hand, I am reminded of something a guy said to Michael Moore in F. 9/11. Moore was being assisted by an African American serviceman (I believe he was a Marine). This man had already served one tour of duty in the Middle East. The military wanted to send him back there, but he refused to go, saying, "I refuse to go back over there and kill other poor people". He may have stood to gain something by going back (or he probably had something to lose by not going back), but his sense of honor and of right and wrong superceded his sense of self-interest. I have a lot of respect for that man, and maybe that is the sentiment that Azizi and dianavan are trying to get across as being missing from their estimation of C. Rice.


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From: Azizi
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 06:42 PM

Bruce,

I have shared that by virtue of my socialization, I do consider Condi {or anyone's} race and gender might be a greater or lesser factor in how she and other's see herself [her or anyone else' group identity.}

That is not how I want it to be.But I think it is how it is at this point in time. And all over the world more and more people are rising above things that limit them and determine who they are close to or have most in common with -things like race and ethnicity, and gender and nationality. The Internet is one way this is coming to pass. And I say this is all good.

However, that does not mean that we have reached the time when race and ethnicity -and gender- are unimportant descriptors to the majority of people. I think that they still exert an influence.
Apparently, you don't.

That notwithstanding, we both agree that Condi is a less than admirable person [which is the understatement of the century].

You said that you 'don't want to qualify her as a less-than-admirable-Black person of the female gender.'

I'm not asking YOU to do that. However I stand by my statement.

I would be greatly disappointed-and greatly limit myself-if I thought that everyone on Mudcat and everyone in the world has to think EXACTLY the same in order to be courteous and even friends with each other.

It seems to me it's HOW people disagree that is important [and yes sometimes it's WHAT they disagree about].

But as it seems you've already realized, I agree with your basic position about Condi Rice.

And, Bruce, sorry but I don't know what "ISFAIAC" means.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 06:44 PM

Sorry. In So Far As I Am Concerned.


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From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 06:46 PM

What makes Condi swim...

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/delaware.jpg


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From: Azizi
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 07:46 PM

Thank you, Bruce for your explanation.

And Carol C, I appreciated your post.

and thanks Donuel for that link to that drawing.

IMO, that humor was needed at this point.

It gave us a respite from these heavy duty issues which certainly
need consideration and study but IMO not all the time.

I'm sure more light drawings such as that one will be needed
in the future. So have a supply ready!

Best wishes,
Azizi


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From: dianavan
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 11:55 PM

Thanks Donuel - That says it all.

...and thanks to all of you who have had the courage to speak about racism. Sometimes it has to be discussed and Condi has given us the opportunity to express our thoughts. Lets hope that the next person of colour that rises to power is a better example.


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From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:28 AM

In a world dominiated by *white guys* it's highly unlikely that a person of color will ever rise to power. Whitey jus' has the deck stacked against that ever occuring. Oh sure, he'll promote lots of folks to the position of "House Negro" but you can be sure that these folks won't get any higher than that position, Condi being Exhibit A...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: DougR
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:36 PM

Fatigue (she reportedly works long, long hours daily).

Bobert: you are so full of it! "... highly unlikely that a person of color will ever rise to power." DUH! Ever heard of the lady who is the subject of this thread? Colin Powell? I guess in West Virginia the office of Secretary of State is not a position of power, eh?

By the way, if you ever decide to call either of them a "House Negro" to their face, I sure want to be there to see it. I might even help pick you up off the floor! I said "might" mind you.

DougR


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From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:58 PM

First of all, Dougie, I know my way around a dojo, so neither House Negro Condi of House Negro Colin scare me in the slightest. If either ot both of 'um make a move toward me you'll be helping them up off the floor. No brag. Just fact.

Secondly, if they were standing right here, right now in front of me, yeah, I'd confront 'um. They are House Negros. Study a little "History of the South". I took it in college. And that was in Richmond, Va., the capitol of the Confederacy. C & C are very much House Negros in that they do the massa's bidding... They are not folks in power but probably less powerful than the average guy on the street since they have both sold out to whitey...

That's what House Negros do...

Sell out...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:13 PM

Okay. Let me just interject a wee note of sanity here.

Ahem...

The real reason that Condoleeza Rice lies...sometimes...is that William Shatner rejected her once. That's right! He did. She wanted to go out with him once, back in the 80's, and he gave her the brush-off! She was devastated. She has been acting out her emotional pain ever since by doing things like lying about Iraqi WMD's and stuff of that sort. It's emotional compensation for a badly bruised ego, and we should all have some compassion and understanding for it. This sort of thing can happen to anyone. You or I could get rejected by someone we held in the highest esteem...as Condi did Shatner...and have the same thing happen.

Ms Rice is suffering the disadvantage of being in a high profile job which draws an unusual amount of attention to her emotional acting out of her pain, that's all. You can see the tension in her face and body language. This lady has had her heart badly bruised!

Now, in William Shatner's defence, I only want to say that he was under severe pressure at the time and was very busy, since Stevie Nicks was also interested in him at that very same time! What could he do? He's human, after all. (Unlike Spock.) He can only handle so much at any given time. He opted for Stevie, and that was that.

It's most unfortunate, really. Given better timing, things could have worked out for Condi and Shatner, and she would not now be lying to the American people and Congress.

But...that's the way the cookie crumbles.

So, give her a break, eh? ;-)


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From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:23 PM

Sniff...

Nw that was the saddest story I ever heard, LH...

Heck, if she wants to lie to me, then, let her lie...

Still makes her a House Negro but at least a House Negro that I feel for...

Fir me, it was Nina Williams... sniff...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: mg
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:49 PM

White guys don't scare me and I don't revere them and I don't cowtow to them. I have yet to have a single one try to even boss me around much less exploit me etc. (But of course I respect those who are respectable). If 51% of the voters of each state don't want white guy politics they can vote for someone else. I think we might see that happen really soon. And there are probably more than 51% voters in each state who are female alone -- well, maybe not Alaska. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Peace
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:56 PM

Females have not, do not and likely will not ever vote as a united front for a specific candidate. Nice dream, but it ain't gonna happen anytime soon. The vote with as much intelligence as men do--no more, no less.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 10:25 PM

Well, MG, white guys should scare the heck out of you... They are in the process of running the country off a cliff and unless yer living somewhere else, you are going to be taken down with them...

Do you know about Haiti? In Haiti you have about 1% of the wealth people living behind walls and gates and 99% living in abject poverty... Tghe way the US is going, come back in 20 years, especially with the Chinese bankrolling our governemnt, and it will be the same...

The world is a whole lot like a stcok car race. You get outta the lead draft and you can go from #1 to #21 in a heartbeat. You think that because we have nuclear weapons that won't happen? You are poorly misinformed. Lots of folks have nuclear weapons and thanks to yer Commander-inThief one more country came on board since he stole the 200 election... Nuclear weapons ain't the "security blanket" it once was...

You are living in a Reaganesque dream world, my frined, that has nuthin' to do with the realities that somehow seem to escape Bush and his advisors... This ain't no rerun of "Death Valley Days". This id the real world. China is noe bankrollin' the US. Do you deny that?

You may think you are safe and depending on yer age you may be. But yer kids aren't. You president has sold their security off so he could give his buddies and contributors big tax cuts which have done nuthin' but make the US governement beggers to the *loan sharks* of the international community, i.e. China...

Does this make you proud, mary garvey?

Maybe you can stick another yellow "Support Out Troops" on the back of yer SUV to compensate....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 10:49 PM

It is the political party machine that chooses the candidates, Mary Garvey. They choose who the people get to vote for. They fund the campaigns. Most of the people they choose are those who will follow the established party line. It doesn't matter much what 51% of the people think when virtually all the key candidates are fielded BY the ruling $ySSTem and NOT by the public.

That was the way they did it in Communist Russia too. The Party chose the candidates...the people ratified them.

The only difference in the USA is that the Party is split into 2 supposedly separate wings...the Democrats and the Republicans...but it's still really just one huge Party, and IT chooses who you will vote for. Tweedledum or Tweedledee. There are very few real exceptions to that situation, which is really almost no choice at all.


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Subject: RE: BS:
From: Peace
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:00 PM

What Makes Condi Lie???...

IMO, verb conjugation. LOLOLOL


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From: Peace
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:02 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: What makes Condi lay???...
From: Peace
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:03 PM

Roosters?


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:08 PM

Yeah, like you may find some solitude in yer Republicanism but the Dems ain't preachin' anything different... No matter, yer country is going down 'cause, in the short run we're gonna keep themn filthy rick, ahhh filthy, while turing over the running of America over to the loan sharks, the Chinese...

Man, is only been 4 short years when the US wa the l,oan sharkes and now we are being reduced to being the the eatin' rather than the eaters...

You think about this, mary garvey, et al...

Bobert


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From: mg
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 12:33 AM

I have a 1985 Buick and I already have a support our troops sticker and probably don't need another one. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 08:12 AM

What, only *one* "Support Our Troops" sticker? Round these parts you gotta have at least 2 'er the cops will harrass ya and other drivers will make obscene jestures toward ya. Heck, my closest neigbor has 3 on the tailgate of his truck, 2 in the back window plus 2 Amercican flags on poles just behind the cab of his truck... Get with the program.

As fir me, lets see what's on the back of my very old and beat up Toyota? Hmmmmmm? "Create Peace", "Be Green", "Imagination is More Important Than Knowledge", "Dean for President" and "Got Peace?"...Yeah, that's about it fir this ol' hillbilly...

BTW, a 13 page memo from Richard Clarke has surfaced that he sent Condi Rice in late 2000 that outlines the threat of Al Qida. In the very first sentence he uses the word urgent and underlines it. He then goes on to provide a long detailed lists of terrorist comings and goings and asks for a "principles meeting' ASAP. But out Mr. Rice must not have thought it to serious since it was not acted upon until just a few days before 9/11...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 12:15 AM

TRUE - True - so many things are TRUE


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From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 07:36 AM

I put a Support our Torture ribbon on the car to no reaction but the Weapons of Mass Deception sticker garnered much support.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: GUEST,G
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 08:08 AM

I just discovered and read mosy of this thread. What a collosal waste of time-I am an idiot.

The race reference accomplished nothing! House Negro? Only a racist would use that title. I can see much jealousy from some here and even though it not a qualified way to ascertain, at least one person with a massive case of low self-esteem.
You are correct Martin, this Bobert person appears to be a Facist as well as a Racist and upon further reflection, several other "...ists"
that reflect those that want to destroy, not help, this Country
Mow that I have jumped into the center of posting procedures that I have been decrying, I will now go on that Sabbtical.

If you have time, reread this thread and notice how deceitful, without fact, and mean spirited it became. Yours truly included.

Trying to reinforce your position late in the thread with the same statement you started out with shows frustration with regard to the originator. More jealousy exhibited.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 07:19 AM

Do you believe Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell are "House N****S"?

___Strongly Agree
___Somewhat Agree
___I am not a racist so I wouldn't know
___Somewhat Disagree
___Strongly Disagree


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 07:26 AM

Seven years to come up with an answer Sawz?

That weed you're smoking is too strong for you!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 07:29 AM

Or not strong nuff...

B;~)


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From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 07:47 AM

So Bobert is in the strongly agree column?


The al Qaeda leader, Al-Zawahiri, said Obama, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice "confirmed" Malcolm X's definition of a "house slave." He was referring to Malcolm X's distinction between slave-era "house Negroes," who lived comfortably in the big house abetting white supremacy, and "field negroes," who toiled in the fields under the whip, plotting resistance.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 07:56 AM

(:-( ))=


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 08:02 AM

So which Column are you in Krinkle?


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 08:45 AM

He, like everyone except you, Sawz, is more than likely in the "yawn" column...

Maybe you need to get a dog??? I mean, it will give you all the attention that you obviously need...

B;~)


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From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 09:58 AM

Lets read the opening statement that Max put when people join mudcat. Especially the part about respect and refraining from all the name calling.

If it were my site, and it is not, I would start pulling accounts and blocking IP addresses.

In short, can we kindly Knock it off. It is getting old and trashing up the server. Max spent a lot of money to store info about music. This shit all of it belongs in the recycle bin. Including my comments

No doubt good people will disagree so why not, we disagree lets leave it at that ... Gosh


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From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 10:04 AM

I am sure Condi could care less who was with her or against her. Like the others she gets a ton of money for speaking engagements, books, interviews. A multi millionaire.   None of them care who was for, against or in between . Fighting for someone who doesn't give a shit makes no sense and no politician gives a shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: ollaimh
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 12:21 AM

who the hell is martin? do youse guys know something i don't/

once famous attacked boberts grammar and said he was happy to reiecule it!! it doesn' get better than that.

and really once famous do you have any idea what a fascist is? or are you an uneducated rush limbaugh clone? bobert is a commie!!!!!

get with the program.


and ps we had a politican who usually told the truth and said what he thought. pierre trudeau, the conservatives have never forgiven him for it. a lot of people voted for trudeau not because they supported him but because he said what he thouight--like it or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: ollaimh
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 12:32 AM

of course she is lying partly because she is american. all right wing americans and most of the rest have lost touch with reality. its part of the delusional escapist thinking of the rich descendants of those who worked to create the contry. the descendants think they are owed and shouldn't have to work like the previous generations, just invade other people countries. and pay for oit with a credit card.

hows that working out?


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 08:53 AM

What Makes Condi Lie?

Well, for a start she opens her mouth and begins to speak.........

Much the same as Ollaimh's drivel posts.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Makes Condi Lie???...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 09:37 AM

ollaimh,

"Martin" was/is "Martin Gibson"... He set the bar for every asshole that has followed and none are even in the same league...

He's been gone for a long time and we all hope it stays that way...

B~


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