BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...

Subject: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 07:30 PM

Well, well, well...

Hmmmmm? What happens when Dick Cheney and some 50 oilmen meet in secret to hammer out a "national energy policy" and then have Bush use "executive priviledge" to keep the public from knowing just who those oilmen were or what they discussed?

For your answer just go fill up the tank of your car or the tank of your oil tank that heats your home...

Now, I fully expect the usaul cast of Bushheads here to try to confuse the issue because that's all that they know to do...

But, ahhhhhh, can anyone here from either side of the isle explain just what the "national energy policy" is???

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Peace
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 07:44 PM

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:XPxHS1kf4G4J:www.energy.gov/engine/content.do%3FBT_CODE%3DAD_AP+national+energy+policy&hl=e

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 08:12 PM

That is an "energy policy", brucie?

Just who wrote it?...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Peace
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 08:15 PM

See yer other thread. NEOCON.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 08:43 PM

This is news? So, what else is news? What else can he F**K up?

Ah, Sorch, everything.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: GUEST,marks
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 10:02 PM

Are you sure? I don't think anything new has been tried yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Troll
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 11:39 PM

Didn't the Bush administration put quite a bit of money into Hydrogen research?

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Peace
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 11:48 PM

Google

Hydrogen Fuel: A Clean and Secure Energy Future

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 11:55 PM

The White House shower is STILL drenching GW with cold water halfway through???

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: DougR
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 12:14 AM

Can't imagine why you think that, Bobert. Just a day or so ago the U. S. Senate voted funds to recover oil deposits from Anwar. Bush is constantly looking for oil. You know that.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 12:22 AM

And THAT is why I swab off my forehead and scalp thoroughly at least 7 times a day...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Troll
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 03:15 PM

The problem with Hydrogen as with some other alternative energy sources is that the energy debt is too high. It costs more to make 'em than you get back.

A real answer might be local generation. We lose aynwhere between 25%/50% of the juice in transmission with the big power plants that serve half a state.

But NIMBY lives.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 04:46 PM

this is just another hate thread started by bobert about Bush that gets forwarded to the FBI for their file.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 09:51 PM

Bush's Energy Policy is not a Failure to those who are paying his bills...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 10:00 PM

It's a start.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 10:03 PM

Hey, I couldn't care less if me threads are getting sent to Bush hissrlf... One day them folks at the FBI 'er Homeland Security will be readin' somethin' this ol' hillbilly is sayin' and the light will go off in their head...

Yeah, we ain't gonna overthrow these bums but shuttin' up, Martin, so better get used to thre Boberts of the world speakin' up 'cause when they come for us, you won't be too far behind...

But that's okay if you wanta get on the fascist bandwagen... We'll, at least, know jus' where to find yer fascist butt...

Commie Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: DougR
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 01:22 AM

More likely the FBI is probably saying, "Oh, that guy? He's off his med again evidently."

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 08:41 PM

Reporting people to the FBI? I thought freedom of speech was what was supposed to make this country so much better then those other awful countries that provide free medical care and stuff like that. You mean we don't even have freedom of speach any more? In that case, I'll take the free medical care, please.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 08:54 PM

Yeah, CarolC, the Bushites are allowing stuff like waht goes on here in Mudville to occur so that when the time is right they will know exactly which 40,000,000 or so that need roundin' up...

Heck, I don't care, if they are comin' for the other 39,999,999 then I'd feel jipped if they didn't come fir me...

But, given these croooks track record, you can bet they know all of the "trouble makers" just as the brownshirts did in Germany in the 30's and we know the "trouble makers" in Germany in the 30's all got rounded up...

History does repeat itself and I give America maybe one last chance to rid itself of the fascists who have highjacked it... But maybe it is too late?

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 01:00 AM

"History does repeat itself"

History wouldn't repeat itself if historians didn't repeat each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: DougR
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 01:32 PM

Carol C: I believe Canada still offers free medical care.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 01:57 PM

It ain't free, Doug. We pay about $75 per month for families and about $50 per month for singles. So a Canadian family pays about $900 a year for medical care, and a single person about $600. Included in that is coverage for non-elective surgery and hospital stay, diagnosis, treatment, etc. It is relatively inexpensive compared to costs in the US--or so I have been told. I had a total hip replacement (left hip) and I believe I had to pay something like $50 dollars above the coverage. I received the operation, hip, five days of hospitalization, three squares a day, room with a fellow who'd had a knee replacement, blood tests, injections and antibiotics. Also I was in physio for four days, and when I got home a public health nurse came to where I lived and got me set up with various things to make life easier--all the way from bathing and toilet to sleeping and getting in and out of bed. I have never enquired what that would have cost had I been in the US and had no health coverage. Also, my teachers' medical plan then covered the $50 I was out of pocket.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 02:32 PM

So you think Canada has a better system than we have here in the US, DougR? That's interesting. I would never have anticipated seeing you say that. Hmmm... well, you could be right. I'll have to give it some thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 09:03 PM

Okay, I know this isn't a true obituary, but maybe it is for this national sport, at least as we know it at the professional level. I also know that few folks outside of Canada (or Canadians) are interested, so please bear with me, or skip to the next thread.

For two years, the players and owners have been arguing back and forth over a new binding agreement for wages, bonuses, job security, etc. The most recent contract expired this past spring/summer, and since then the owners have locked out the players... now, on the eve of cancelling the entire season, the players' union has gone back and said, "Okay owners, you can get what you want (sorta)." But, the owners rejected that offer, wanting a little more....

that being said... does anyone care? as far as hockey fans like myself, I mean...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 06:22 PM

There is the village idiot again, with no point to make other than the one on the top of his head, trying to change the subject again. He's posted that same "isn't a true obituary" on a couple of threads so far. Pretty pathetic. But then, he is the village idiot.

By the way, brucie, I know someone in the US who had hip replacement surgery a short time ago. I don't know exactly how much it cost, but it was in the tens of thousands of dollars. My acquaintances co-pay was many, many times what you had to pay. I think he was at least a couple thousands out of pocket.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: DougR
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 11:46 PM

My wife had a hip replacemnent and two knees replaced. Medicare and our HBO paid for the whole she-bang. We didn't pay a penny out of pocket brucie. And this was in the good old US of A.

The last five or six years of her life were very difficult for her. She spent twelve weeks in intensive care and her hospital bill was well over a million dollars. Medicare and the HBO paid for everything. It also cost us not one penny out of pocket. So I really don't think our healthcare system is as bad as some folks think.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:06 AM

I am not up on your health care system, Doug. I am glad for you that the bills were covered, and I am sorry for the pain she endured. I know that was tough on you, also. Sorry, buddy.

I did not mean to imply that the HC System in the US was shoddy. However, I have read posts by some Americans who seem not to have the access many other folks do, and I wonder if someone could please explain that.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:21 AM

We pay a lot of money for our insurance coverage (more than $400 per month), and we have co-pays that, while not as catastrophic as not having any coverage, certainly makes us think verrrryy carefully about what sorts of procedures we can consider having done. And there is a "pre-existing condition" clause on my policy that limits what sort of things will be covered at all. This is the best coverage we have been able to get with the circumstances we are living under at this time. We are not eligible for Medicare, and won't be for several years yet. And we are much more fortunate than several million working poor people in the US who have no access to any medical insurance of any sort.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:52 AM

Diogenes, I must caution you that nothing on Earth makes Martin happier than someone like you who gets absolutely disgusted with his rude and flippant comments...if not downright livid...and tells us all about it. (you probably know that already, but just in case you didn't...) :-)

That last post of yours will really tickle his fancy, I'm sure. If it particularly appeals to him, he'll probably toss a couple more obscene remarks your way, and refer to you as "Dog Genes" again...

He doesn't take this place seriously, and enjoys it when his attitude infuriates people. He figures he is a useful antidote to a certain purported "liberal" bias in these hallowed halls here.

Me, I just view it all with a certain amount of detached amusement...most of the time...although I am definitely somewhat liberal myself, you might say.

Chongo can't decide whether Martin is a pest and an idiot...or a really smart and down-to-Earth guy.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Energy Policy a Failure...
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 11:08 AM

There is an energy bill in Congress but don't hold your breath.   It has been delayed 18 times and 75% of the potential savings have already been cut out of the bill. (per MEEA conference last year)

Bush's energy policy has been pathetic, but at least there is a policy.   The Clinton administration had no energy policy for 8 years except to buy more Middle East Oil.   Not exactly a policy.

Governor Bush was very good at wind energy.   Texas (mostly under his term as Governor) has 1300 MW of wind energy or about 25% of the total wind energy in the USA.   My blue state of Michigan has 2.4 MW of wind energy in comparison.    New wind maps shows 16,000 MW of wind with over 2,000 MW at level 5 and level 6 which are profitable right now!   Projections for the next 5 years are a pathetic 250 MW of new wind production. I guess it is a start.

At the Federal Reserve Bank Energy Seminar last week they mentioned that in 1971 total oil reserves were projected at 200 billion barrels.   since that time we have pumped 400 billion barrels of oil. The oil reserve today is projected at 209 billion barrels.   (more than 1971) Why?- because we found new oil in the gulf of Mexico.   As the price goes up and technology increases, we have the ability to find new oil sources.   This allows us to make a more orderly transition to alternative sources.

A few more facts from the Fed Seminar- the inflation adjusted price for gasoline is the same as it has always been at $2 a gallon.   The gasoline price was higher (when ajdusting for inflation) in the 1950's and in 1975.   To reach 1975 levels, gasoline would have to increase to $3 a gallon.   As a result, people have generally accepted the $2 price.   It has not changed buying patterns as of yet, as people still look at the pricing as temporary.

On the positive side, I just recieved the go ahead yesterday to launch a renewable energy program through our Utility.   It will be one of the 5 largest renewable programs in the country.   I am the co lead on the project which is way cool.   The program starts on 1/1/06.

Life is very weird.   I did an energy speech for the UAW headquarters.   They loved me and booked me for 6 local UAW presentations.   I have made 1 already and have 3 more in 2 weeks. I wonder how they would feel if they knew they had a conservative in their meetings?   I ignore the politics and only concentrate on my energy expertise.   So far I have gotten perfect scores on their feedback forms, and an open invitation to any of their lunch meetings.

Drilling in Alaska is the right thing.   so is conservation, and renewable sources.   I think we have to do all three.   It is not one and not the other.