BS: How to shoot our neighbors

Subject: BS: How to shoot our neighbors out of the sky
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 05 - 08:30 AM

Yesterday in my little county I heard the F 16's scrambled and race back and forth overhead in their all too familiar and distinctive hollow roar.

A Cessna had been struck by lightening and lost their nav and radio.
The Pentagon was determining to shoot or not. Since only the Coast Guard and joint Pentagon authority are allowed such a decision it seems that the new Homeland Security has become extremely jealous.

They (HS) want the independant authority to start shooting down US aircraft as well as the military branch.

With more cooks adding their own spices to a situation involving private aircraft we can be assured of one thing. After an eventual engagment of extreme predjudice, the spokesmen will all agree that the rules of engagment have been faithfully and lawfully applied.

DH :patiently awaiting the lawful debris and gore to gently fall upon our neighborhood.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: mack/misophist
Date: 24 May 05 - 09:14 AM

So far, there has been ne evidence that Homeland Security actually provides any,

A jet is a stupid thing to send to wave down a Cessna. Helicopters are a much better choice.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: kendall
Date: 24 May 05 - 01:17 PM

How much damage could a Cessna do to any building?

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: heric
Date: 24 May 05 - 01:26 PM

It could carry explosives, toxic agents, or a combination thereof. They were quite worried in 2001 about suspected al queda interest in crop sprayers.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 05 - 02:19 PM

How much damage can a regime of fear and loathing do to a society?
More than we seem to admit.
Last week people were stampeded through the streets of the nation's capitol to the orders of "run for your lives". Of course it was not so much of an emergency as to notify the President or even the Mayor.

Certainly our neighborhood has been terrorized by the multiple killings by a pair of snipers inspired by religion and the Gulf War. Although they were enabled by our military training and the NRA lobby to make guns readily available to all, the evil was purportedly done by Islamic zealots.

Today I watched a TV news report showing the nation's oldest baseball park. The players umpires and fans were running for their life as shots rang out in the immediate neighborhood. Yes we need little reminder that we are in a violent culture. Just in case we forget FOX news scrolls the current nation's threat level at the bottom of their screen every 10 minutes 24/7.

Much has been made about the fear tactics of Hitler's 3rd Reich but lets consider only the United States. After World War 1 the nation was warned to beware of anarchists. After World War 2 we were warned to beware of Communists. The most targeted people accused of Communism were black entertainers and Jews. People of charisma and talent were the first to be silenced.

To scandalize a name all that needed be done was to put them on a list. There was series of 4 blacklists while those singled out to appear before the House Committee of UNAMERICAN activity Commission could be praised for giving names of more Communists or condemned for obstructing justice by refusing to condemn others.

Today the enemy is not only blacks and Jews but the so called terrorist sympathizer, enemy combatant or the ever dangerous liberal.

A dictatorial regime has a need for never ending fear. Paralyzing unending irrational fear is the enemy. A calm deep breath might allow for a call for peace or equality to be heard. In light of history and the current fearful trends I remind you of the famous words by FDR that "the only thing to fear is fear itself".

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 May 05 - 02:27 PM

donuel, your statement are completely idiotic. You haven't a clue what is being dealt with.

There are enemies of America both within and without who want to see it collapse.

What homeland security does not report would probably truly scare the population. FDR's world is nothing like today's. Your statements are completely uninformed, irrational, and are of a typical hand-wringing liberal inflammatory variety that only helps the enemies of this country.

Please do the GOOD citizens of this country a favor and shut-up and let people do their jobs.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: kendall
Date: 24 May 05 - 02:51 PM

If you fight fire with fire, what do you fight guns with?

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 May 05 - 02:59 PM

Bigger guns.

Duh!

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 05 - 03:10 PM

Personal attacks are not to be tolerated on this forum, or so I was informed. If your crude remarks are not expurgated I truely wonder why my question of you was.

Trolls are indeed tiresome but hate mongers should be dealt with severely.

To deny that the ruling class of America is not racist is denial in the farthest reaches of the extreme.

The former Dixie crats/Jim Crow and now Neo con Republicans of "faith" still have an unspoken sympathy for the Confederacy and the clan.

To witness irrational fear and condemn it is far different from critisizing anyone who points it out. I suppose you have to be here to understand. I have seen the people here crouch and dart about to avoid being a target.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 05 - 03:13 PM

Aiding and abetting the enemy (whosoever that may be this week) is indeed a liabelous charge and will not go gently into this good night.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 May 05 - 03:15 PM

Get a life, donuel.

Pleasure to get under your skin.

You dish out plenty of personal attacks, so take one like a man for a change.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 05 - 03:20 PM

There are certain principles I will never take lightly.

Scandalizing names, accusing Americans who dissent of being the enemy, these are old yet the greatest of sins committed by hate mongers of the worst order.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 May 05 - 03:36 PM

Puhhlease.

You should be grateful for what good there is, instead of whining and ranting which obviously make you so tightly wound.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 05 - 03:43 PM

Hate mongers often follow up a charge of treason with a holier than thou condesention.

If you believe that accusing me of aiding the enemies of the state will be taken lightly you are not just dead wrong, you are fatally wrong.

Most people here know who the enemies of the Constitution are.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 05 - 03:57 PM

It seems that Martin would have us believe that publicly leveling the most serious capital crime against an individual here is done all in fun.

Precedent internet case law does not agree.

The evidence has been saved and my attorney will review my complaint on Friday. I hope you feel like spending money where your mouth is.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 May 05 - 04:00 PM

donuel, when you say I am fatally wrong, should I take that as a death threat on your part? You are a radical lunatic as far as I am concerned.

You are the enemy within. You contribute nothing and in your anger for your own deficiencies lash out at America where you had more opportunity than anywhere else but abused it because it wasn't enough for you or wasn't tailor made just for you or were just too dumb to take advantage of it.

Like I said, get a life, and quit talking about people here being fatally wrong. Only a fucking Internet nut case talks like that, moron.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 05 - 04:15 PM

As Senator McCain said today "I know child porn when I see it", people here know you for what you are and what you are not.

When you accuse someone of a capital crime, it becomes something for which you will answer.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 24 May 05 - 04:38 PM

Joe offer, please close this thread, as it has degenerated into insults.

Bunnahabhain.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: GUEST,robomatic
Date: 24 May 05 - 05:14 PM

Hakman, though you tend to lead off your threads with every effort made to troll, you are not totally off your nut. However, you do not give enough information to justify your lead. Aircraft lose their coms all the time without being shot down, and unless the Cessna of your initial post was over some very few restricted areas, I doubt your conclusions. You are a well-known spinner of yarns and poster of falsehoods, so it's up to you to buttress your case, unless you simply wanted to attract a fly to your web-thread and want to go head to head with MG some more.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 24 May 05 - 05:28 PM

If the pilot losses his radio he can still switch on his ELT manualy and indicate a distress. If the aircraft was impared the pilot should not fly it over a populated area but land in a field or at another airport away from a major centre. The Cessna was not shot down, so what is the point of this thread? If it was a terrorist controlled aircraft how many would die if it was not shot down?

Yours, Aye. Dave (who works with the USCG and knows they are not stupid)

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 05 - 05:40 PM

Apparently the second private plane in 2 weeks to be intercepted by the military and Homeland security wanting to get into the shooting business is a local story. I doubt it.

As for the claim I personally attack people here (those guilty of liabel aside) let them come forth.

As for falsehoods there is plenty of room in scientific inquiry to include more than one plausible explanation. As for my personal experiences I suppose the truth is stranger than fiction and some people can not handle the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 May 05 - 06:02 PM

gO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS STUPID THREAD!

IT IS A PIECE OF SHIT WRITTEN BY AN ANGRY PERSON AND REALLY PROVES A LOT OF NOTHING!

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: robomatic
Date: 24 May 05 - 07:10 PM

Hakman:
A couple messages ago you wrote:

As for the claim I personally attack people here (those guilty of liabel aside) let them come forth.

Here y'go:


Posted not too long ago by Donuel:
0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: BS: Stupid lousy Sopranos - Apr 13 2005 4:17PM -   Donuel
Summary: Sorry folks, I seem to have picked up some dog shit on my shoe by the name of robomatic that tracks across the clean kitchen floor of some if these mudcat threads.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 05 - 07:31 PM

I will know by Monday at the latest if my lawsuit against aka Martin Gibson will proceed.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: CarolC
Date: 24 May 05 - 07:36 PM

Keep us posted, Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 05 - 08:00 PM

robo, I wonder if you have the timerity to dare repeat the disgusting remark that sparked my above apology to the civil well spoken people in that particular thread before you and Martin started spouting filth.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Bobert
Date: 24 May 05 - 09:18 PM

Well, well ,well...

As per usual, the ever vigilant MG had shown up to show his usual ignorance of the real world... Normal....

But Donuel's point is very well taken. Fir anyone who has flown a small plane anywhere close to Washington, D.C. of Dulles International it can be a pain in the butt... Yeah, yolu think yer okay but then you get the warning that yer maybe half a mile into restricted space... Yeah, it usee to be a warning and now it's an escort, an' fines, an' lossin' yer pilots license, an' being on the national news, an', an'....

Hey, I've landed at Leesburg, Va. a hundred times an' since the prevailing winds come from the west ya' gotta circle to the east of Leesburg 'bout 5 miles in yer approach an' that approach has ya' within a mile 'er two of Dulles's restricted areas... Now fir a pilot who knows Leesburg, hey, piece of cake but fir some who don't??? Bad news.... The entire Washington, D.C. area is a nightmare for pilots in small palnes since there are so many restricted areas and not all pilots are instrument rated....

Now I can see escortin' doewn a Cezna that is flyin' over the Distict but they going a little over the line in escortin' every danged pilot who happens into a restricted area... They don't do it elsewhere in the country so why here... Hey, I remember flyin' back from Kitty Hawk and swung a little too far east and got me a warnin' but that was it... Today, it'd be F-16's....

I think there is a little too much attention being paid to small planes and not enough to the real problems of Homeland Security. Like what if a car bomb went off on the 14th Steet Bridge around 7;00 in the morning? Is D.C. prepared? Heck no, they aren't. Tony Williamns will be the first to tell ya that...

Hey, I'm for protectin' the D.C. residents as much as I can but, hey, this is overkill in harassin' then pilots o' small planes... Go find some terrorists, will ya, and leave the policin' or restricted space to the FAA, thank you...

BObert

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: robomatic
Date: 24 May 05 - 09:29 PM

Hakman:
You asked a question. I answered it. 'nuff said you hypocrite.

Bobert: Pilots use tools called aviation maps and charts. Pilots have to go to ground school in addition to flight school. I remember being made aware of the 'no-fly' zone over the middle of DC and I ain't nivir been near the place. Some of what you say is true even if stated in the artificial yokelese you pertend to, nevertheless it does not justify the hyperactive title of the thread nor has Hakman indicated that he understands there are common enough procedures of longstanding for dealing with an airplane that loses communications. Indeed Bobert, if you're a pilot, you should be aware of these as well, ayuk ayuk. Ev'n I been up thar in the ayr w'out my comm unit an' I had to wayte to be reckonnized by that thar to'wr thang.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Bobert
Date: 24 May 05 - 11:08 PM

Well gol danged, Robozer, then you know wahd I mean... Tell ya what, get in yer plane and try to fly anywhere withine 50 miles of D.C> and see ewhatnhappens... Yeah, ya gotta charts on yer lap an' yer trying the best ya can to thread some needles 'tween one restricted and another and, geeze.... Ya' got Feds, ya' got Quantico, 'ya got Andrews, ya' got Dulles, ya' got National... Like ya take off from Leesburg an' ya' wanta go down to like Tangier Island in the Cheasapeake an' ya almost gotta fly to Fredricksburg and turn left to get there widout gettin' on the news....

I tell ya what. Don't believe me... You call ol' Stanley Caukins in Leesburg... He's a WW II pilot. I've flown wid him. He'll tell ya... Heck, he gotta a Cenzna out at Leesburg airport that this poor ol guy will prolly never fly again, some what from his health but equally from the restrictions....

As fir me, I ain't flyin' none these days... Too paranoid... Heck, Tom Ridge's boy's would have me escorted in a heartbeat if I got within a mile of any danged restricted area....

But I can take a beat up old Toyota that I bought at an auction for a couple hundred bucks, pour gas all ov er the back seat an' set it obn fire on the 14th street bridge and prolly just walk away????

Like go figgure...

Homeland security??? What a joke... Oughtta rename it "Rip Off of the Working Class"

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 May 05 - 11:21 PM

donuel, your statement are completely idiotic. You haven't a clue what is being dealt with.


Oh, Geez. Martin Gibson telling someone they "don't have a clue." That IS rich.

Link to story about latest incident.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: robomatic
Date: 24 May 05 - 11:22 PM

I 'member oncet flyin' right below them whirled trane center tow'rs in m'bare feet. Nobuddy gave me no botheratin' atall atall. Jest kep t'the rifht side ob de ribber.

Az fur th'white house? you'd bedder go fust, boburp!

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: robomatic
Date: 24 May 05 - 11:33 PM

SRS: Interesting article. I'm trying to figure out how I'd fly a plane with a bunch of Christmas colored warning lasers in my eyes.

Hard as it is to imagine, lightning doesn't usually do anything to planes because they aren't grounded.

A pilot's basic protection is to know where he or she is. Get lost and you're lookin' for a world of hurt from any number of causes, only one (or two) of which would be Defense forces.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: GUEST,Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 May 05 - 12:27 AM

Lightning is a lot more complex than people used to think. Makes me wonder that more planes don't end up toast while passing near storms. I've been in any number of planes that had to go around thunderheads--they're amazing to watch from the plane window.

The pilot in the first plane two weeks ago sounds like he was more clueless than most, but he also couldn't get through on the frequency he was directed to use. That might be a case of lightning striking twice. :)

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 05 - 06:34 AM

" There are enemies of America both within and without who want to see it collapse," said Gibson.

If many Americans are like him, I'm not surprised.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Bobert
Date: 25 May 05 - 07:19 AM

Yeah, Robo, them was the good ol' days... When I was a teenager one of my dad's friends had an ol' joy-stick Cub... Remember them planes? Stahl speed o' 'bout 30 knots so ya could land it dnaged near anywhere ya wanted... The plane was tied down at Bailey's Crossroads, Va. which as the crow flieds is about 10 miles from the White House... The strip is gone now... Might of fact, if it were still there they's have to truck out all the planes 'cause where is was is now in restricted space... Well, I had a buddy who prolly didn't have no license who took me up a few times in the Cub and we flew all over the joint... Alexandria, DC... Don't remember flyin' over the White House but we might have... Lotta fun... Them joy-stick tail draggers was the 1st planes I learnt to fly... Sniff...

Oh, I left out Camp David from my above list of restricted areas... Oh, and there's Mt. Weather in Loudoun County, too... See, that's what I mean by threadin' the needle if yer gonna fly anywhere 'round these parts...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Donuel
Date: 25 May 05 - 09:39 AM

Wow you are a pilot as well, bravo Bobert.
"They don't restrict elsewhere so why here?"
Good point. You can fly over many nuclear power plants but not Rockville 20 miles from DC. In fact at 3 mile Island even the commercial flights come within a mile or two of the reactors.

Today ABC news claims that the first of the 2 private planes in question was exactly 22 seconds from being shot down. They went on to say that it was only a month ago that Rumsfeld authorized extreme shoot down policies in the DC area.

As for fear overkill it has a profound effect here. A caring neighbor has admonished/warned us that if we allow our 5 year old to play on the sidewalk in front of our house he will likely be abducted. In order to be appreciative of her concern but tell her that risk is ubiquitous I thanked her and wished her a nuclear free day.

A few phrases I have heard more of lately is "welcome to the real world", "you don't want another 911 do you?" which only serves to reinforce fear.

Never mind that engines found at the Pentagon crash as well as NYC did not match the aircraft that were supposedly involved. Nevermind that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that only now has Iraq become the terrorist hub of the world.
Just live in fear and obey the next ridiculous request/order of the administration of war.

Now at this checkpoint I need you to remain standing but remove your shoes while we feel your wife's tits.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 25 May 05 - 10:20 AM

Absolutely fascinating!! One ficticious internet character is going to sue another ficticious internet character!! Only in America eh what? Donuel, you are a nutcase!

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: robomatic
Date: 25 May 05 - 10:27 AM

I took a check-ride with an old guy name 'o Wally. They sed it was him as give Wilbur 'n Orville their flite sertifficuts ('r wuz it t'other way roun'?) He was pretty well into dementia and when we were down for half an hour he din't 'member who I was. But in the ar he was sharp as a Tennessee rhinestone. I 'member him describing all the places we had to avoid, 'specially the hospital next to the arport - "Don't want to rile any of the rezzydence, we might be needin' 'em wun of these dayz!"

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: CarolC
Date: 25 May 05 - 11:04 AM

Donuel is not a ficticious character. He has never attempted to hide his actual identity, and in fact, has revealed it on many occasions. And he has invited Mudcatters to visit him at his home.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 May 05 - 11:36 AM

Well, I'm not really that impressed.

And I am not going to lose any sleep over his stupidity or his paranoia.

Like I said, donuel has no idea who the enemy is or where he is, but he wants us to believe his BS.

He's the one living in fear. I just go about my business, glad that we have a country that is watching out for it's citizens.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 25 May 05 - 11:44 AM

Never mind that engines found at the Pentagon crash as well as NYC did not match the aircraft that were supposedly involved.
Donuel

Do you seriously belive the events of 9/11 were faked or planned by any part of the American goverment, or any Non-Islamic fundementalists? Yes or no will do.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 May 05 - 01:47 PM

To deny that the ruling class of America is not racist is denial (Donuel)

What an interesting sentence. You could even find Martin Gibson agreeing with what you have written here.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 May 05 - 05:18 PM

I only agree that he is a complete babbling moron.

Subject: RE: BS: How to shoot our neighbors
From: LilyFestre
Date: 25 May 05 - 05:28 PM

Damn...and I thought I was going to be able to use a gun. HMPH.

My nearest neighbor at the moment is a fox and the next time I see that little SOB, his pretty red tail is MINE.

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Michelle