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Lyr Req: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo)

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Subject: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...???
From: Benson
Date: 18 Dec 98 - 07:53 AM

nearly 20 years ago....I heard my son sing a song about a donkey??? ate with a fork and spoon????...couldn't find it


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...???
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 18 Dec 98 - 11:34 AM

I don't have it, but it's called Tingalayo, and was written,of all people, by Gene Raskin, who wrote Those were the Days (as well as Shootin' With Rasputin')


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Subject: ADD: Tingalayo^^
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Dec 98 - 01:38 PM

Here's how it's rendered at http://www.kididdles.com/. No songwriter attribution at Kididdles on this one. ASCAP says "Tinga Layo" was copyrighted by songwriters Charity Bailey and Eunice Holsaert: and "Run Little Donkey" by Eugene Raskin and Louis E. Gottlieb (was it a Limeliters recording?). BMI lists songs titled "Tingalayo" by Peter Allen Lurye & William James Cobin, by Peter & doris Kaplan, and by Bob Singleton; and "Tinga Layo" by C. Barny Robertson. I think we can call it "Traditional" and let all these people fight about it.
The Fireside Book of Fun and Game Songs does not name the songwriter, but says it was copyrighted in 1943 by M. Baron Company. The Fireside book says it is a calypso song from the West Indies. I sing it "Tingalayo, run little donkey run." I don't sing the peanut butter verse. I have some self respect, you know....
-Joe Offer-
Tingalayo

Tingalayo, run my little donkey run
Tingalayo, run my little donkey run

My donkey hee, my donkey haw
My donkey sleep in a bed of straw
My donkey short, my donkey wide
Don't get too close to his backside

Tingalayo, run my little donkey run
Tingalayo, run my little donkey run

My donkey walk, my donkey talk
My donkey eat with a knife and fork
My donkey eat, my donkey sleep
Don't get too close to his hind feet

Tingalayo, run my little donkey run
Tingalayo, run my little donkey run

My donkey laugh, my donkey cry
My donkey loves peanut butter pie
My donkey low, my donkey high
My donkey loves peanut butter pie

Tingalayo, run my little donkey run
Tingalayo, run my little donkey run
Tingalayo, run my little donkey run
Tingalayo, run my little donkey run

^^


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Subject: Lyr Add: TINGA LAYO (Patterson and Belasco)
From: Q
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 04:40 PM

Lyr. Add: TINGA LAYO (Donkey Song)
Patterson and Belasco, 1943

Tinga Lay - o
Marré bourriq ba moen;
Tinga lay - o
Marré bourriq ba moen.
Bourriq parlé,
Bourriq marché,
Bourriq mangé avec un fourchet;
Tinga lay - o

Marré bourriq ba moen;
Tinga lay - o
Marré bourriq ba moen.
Bourriq parlé,
Bourriq marché,
Bourriq mangé avec un fourchet.
Tinga Lay - o

Marré bourriq ba moen.-
(Music diminuendo)

Tinga lay - o
Come, little donkey, come;
Tinga lay - o
Come little donkey come.
Me donkey walk,
me donkey talk,
Me donkey eat with a knife and fork;
Tinga lay - o
(Repeat)

A calypso of the Lesser Antilles, by Massie Patterson and Lionel Belasco, free transcription by Maurice Baron, copyright 1943 by M. Baron Co., NY. "Calypso Songs of the West Indies," by Massie Patterson and Lionel Belasco, pp. 4-5, full sheet music.

Many re-writes and later copyrights on this old Lionel Belasco calypso in French patois of the Lesser Antilles (Guadaloupe, Martinique and to some extent on non-French-owned islands). See the performance version for children described here: Tinga Layo

See thread 66111: Rum and Coca Cola about the suit Baron, Belasco and Patterson won in court over "Rum and Coca Cola," plagiarized from "L'Année Passée." I don't know about the rights settlement if any on this one.

Note also similarity to part of "The Banana Boat Song" - "Day - o. Daylight come and me want go home," which Harry Belafonte made famous.


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo -Tinga Layo)
From: Q
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 04:56 PM

Can't find any reference of this song copyright Baron 1943 being contested. It may have been an anon. calypso inserted in their sheet music book by Patterson and Belasco.


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo -Tinga L
From: saulgoldie
Date: 29 Jan 04 - 01:10 PM

Tingalayo. A version of the song is on the Limeliters "Through Children's Eyes" which is one of the great classic children's ablums of all times. Available on CD the last time I checked.


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo -Tinga L
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 30 Jan 04 - 04:25 AM

Gordon Bok did a song on the February Tapes that had some of the same words...I wouldn't be surprised if it was the source of "Tingalayo." Anybody know?

I know Raffi's version of "Tingalayo," from a tape I used to play for my then 3-year-old stepson over and over and over and over... I just heard it again for the first time in 10 years, when a group of us did developmental screening tests at a day care center in Kaneohe. Memories...

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo -Tinga Layo)
From: Q
Date: 30 Jan 04 - 05:00 AM

Belasco wrote the patois calypsos in the period following 1907, when, according to court testimony, his "L'Année Passée" was composed. They were never published nor copyrighted until 1943. "Tinga Layo" is one of them. If Bok's piece resembles "Tinga Layo," it was derived from Belasco's patois calypso.


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo -Tinga Layo)
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 30 Jan 04 - 03:19 PM

Ironically, during the Second World War, the name "Tondalayo" was used as nose art on a couple of bombers A B-17-E Shot down over Stuttgart Sept. 6, 1943 and a B-24. Both aircraft were stationed in England with the U.S. Eighth Air Force and both sported the typical semi clad young lady so popular with American aircrews of the day. Kindest regards, Neil


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo -Tinga Layo)
From: Q
Date: 30 Jan 04 - 03:48 PM

"Tondelayo" on the bomber was named after Hedy Lamarr's character 'Tondelayo' in the 1942 film "White Cargo," set in Africa, and has nothing to do with the calypso song.

Read the story of this famous image, originally Miss June by Varga in Esquire's 1943 calendar, but with Hedy Lamarr's face. Tondalayo

The names are mis-spelled 'Tondalayo' and 'Lamar' by the website writer.


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo -Tinga Layo)
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Jan 04 - 04:06 PM

Trivia:

Tondelayo was a character in a 1942 movie entitled White Cargo. Hedy Lamarr played the role. The scene was a British plantation in Africa, and Tondelayo was a seductive "half-breed" who played self-serving games with any vulnerable white European male who happened to be around. Hedy Lamarr was appropriately steamy, and for awhile after the movie came out, "Tondelayo" was a fairly popular name for aircraft and small boats.

The person who did the review for Internet Movie Data Base is an idiot. He/she/it complains that the movie is "very reflective of America's aggressive ignorance toward South Pacific cultures of the time." The movie was pretty good, actually (by Forties standards), and the characters were supposed to be British, not American, and it didn't take place in the South Pacific, it took place in Africa. I'm not sure what movie he/she/it was thinking of, unless it was a Hope / Crosby "Road" picture with Dorothy Lamour (not Hedy Lamarr) wearing her trademark sarong.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo -Tinga Layo)
From: Q
Date: 30 Jan 04 - 05:11 PM

Like many of the wartime movies, the story helped us forget the war and the conditions of the time- employment was growing rapidly but people unwilling to move still suffered from the Depression. for a few minutes. All of us at the time enjoyed them.

Just like the songs of the Andrews Sisters, important to their time.


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Subject: Lyr Add: DINGO LAY and HOLD 'EM JOE
From: James Fryer
Date: 13 Mar 04 - 04:54 AM

I know this song as "Dingo Lay", featured on the great (and cheap) "Kings of Calypso" compilation CD. This version was recorded in the UK, hence the references to London in the lyrics.

The lyrics go something like this:

Chorus:
Dingo Lay-o, carry me donkey down there
Dingo Lay-o, carry me donkey down there

I took my donkey to London town
My donkey fell on the underground
I took my donkey to Charing Cross
He went down there and got himself lost

Chorus

My donkey sing, my donkey dance
My donkey looking for romance
My donkey can't behave in the street
Especially when a young girl he does meet

Chorus

My donkey sit down and start to cry
An old man passing by asked him why
"I can't do what the big boys do"
The old man sat down and he cried too

Chorus

My donkey told me he was in love
He started to coo like a turtle dove
But when he went his new love to meet
She saw him coming and ran down the street

Chorus

This song is obviously based on the earlier "Hold Em Joe":

I took my donkey to Sande Grande [??]
He bit off the hand of an obeah man
This donkey of mine, he won't work at all
All he does is break the boards of his stall

When he can't get water (Hold Em Joe!)
My donkey want water (Hold Em Joe!)

There are many, many versions of "Hold Em Joe" including one by The Charmer (Louis Farrakhan).


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo -Tinga Layo)
From: James Fryer
Date: 13 Mar 04 - 05:12 AM

Although, thinking about it, Dingo Lay could be the earlier song. More research needed...


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo -Tinga Layo)
From: Mr Happy
Date: 13 Mar 04 - 06:04 AM

http://pas.byu.edu/AgHrt100/tangelo.htm


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo -Tinga Layo)
From: Q
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 10:16 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo -Tinga Layo)
From: GUEST,Miss Angel
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 11:35 PM

I knew the song as Tangaleo as well.
We used to play an instrument called "claves" with the song


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Subject: RE: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo -Tinga Layo)
From: Celtaddict
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 12:08 AM

This was common at Girl Scout camps in Oklahoma in the late fifties into early sixties, and was sung as "Tingalayo" but with the refrain "Come, little donkey, come" as in the 1943 Patterson-Belasco translated version posted by Q, not "run" as Joe Offer uses. We did not have as many verses as Joe Offer, but did sing "My donkey walk, my donkey talk, my donkey eat with a knife and fork" which we made rhyme (odd in Oklahoma dialect) and "My donkey sleep, my donkey eat, my donkey kick with his two hind feet."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo)
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 01:04 PM

any chords to dingo layo?


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Subject: Lyr Add: Tindaleo, Tingalayo (Come Little Donkey)
From: Genie
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 04:21 PM

Way back in 1959 or early 1960 I found a "folk music" album by a trio called "The Coachmen" (or something very similar) and one of the songs was "Run, Little Donkey, Run." (I've never heard of that particular group since, although I think there's a different group that uses that name.)

The lyrics they sang, as I recall were:

Refrain:
O Tindalay-o,* Run, Little Donkey, Run (x2)

I'm on my way to see my love,
The darling of my heart.
I hope she wait, I'm bound be late -
My donkey won't pull the cart.

(Refrain)

I bought you at a bargain price
But I'd sell you at a loss,
Because it is a natural fact
That I should have bought a horse!

(Refrain)

Those are the only 2 verses I remember.

*I thought they were singing "tindalay-o," but it could have been "tingalay-o."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo)
From: Q
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:30 PM

Several groups made versions of "Tinga Layo." Don't recognize that one.
Try running variations of the name through www.allmusic.com. It may take a while, but there is a lot of material there. You may find 'Coachmen' or something like there.


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Subject: Lyr Req: Tingalayo - Come, Little Donkey, Come
From: Genie
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:05 PM

If that trio took an older folk song and wrote new verses for it, they wouldn't have been the first or the last to do that.
The Kingston Trio, at about that same time, was rewriting old folk songs all the time, and this group seemed like a kind of KT wannabe group.

(One reason I think their name was "The Coachmen," even though there's a different group called that now, is that on their album cover they were sitting on an old-style (ca. mid 18th C.) British coach wearing, well, coachmen's uniforms. One had only the coat, with no pants, another had the trousers but no shirt, and I forgot whether the third had on the full uniform.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo)
From: GUEST,...
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 01:10 AM

Tingalayo, run my little donkey run
Tingalayo, run my little donkey run
My donkey walk, my donkey talk
My donkey eat with a knife and fork
My donkey walk, my donkey talk
My donkey eat with a knife and fork

Tingalayo, run my little donkey run
Tingalayo, run my little donkey run
My donkey eat, my donkey sleep
Don't get too close to his hind feet
My donkey eat, my donkey sleep
Don't get too close to his hind feet

Tingalayo, run my little donkey run
Tingalayo, run my little donkey run
Tingalayo, run my little donkey run
Tingalayo, run my little donkey run


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo)
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 02:24 PM

In response to Genie above, there is an earlier recording of this song that is virtually identical to the one you posted.

The Weavers (with Erik Darling replacing Pete Seeger) recorded it on their 1958 album The Weavers At Home. Their version is titled "Come Little Donkey," and Fred Hellerman sings the lead. The liner notes tell nothing about the song or its history. Curiously, the only writer's credit of any sort is on the vinyl LP itself and says "Brooks"; nothing more. I have absolutely no idea who "Brooks" is, and that name is not mentioned in any earlier posts in this thread. Here are the Weavers' lyrics:

Come Little Donkey

Oh Tingalayo, come little donkey come,
Oh Tingalayo, come little donkey come.

I'm on my way to see my love,
The princess of my heart,
I hope she'll wait, I'm bound to be late,
Because the donkey won't pull the cart.

Oh Tingalayo, come little donkey come,
Oh Tingalayo, come little donkey come.

I bought you at a bargain price,
But I'll sell you at a loss,
Because the way you act, it's a natural fact,
That I should have bought a horse.

Oh Tingalayo, why don't you come little donkey come,
Oh Tingalayo, come little donkey come.

I'll give you oats, I'll give you hay,
And if that's not enough,
I'm going to add to that a new straw hat,
If you take me to my love.

Please Tingalayo, why don't you come little donkey come,
Oh Tingalayo, come little donkey come.

Oh Tingalayo, come little donkey come,
Please Tingalayo, come little donkey come.

Tingalayo, why don't you come,
Tingalayo, come donkey come.
Come little donkey, come little donkey come.
Come Tingalayo,
Tingalayo, come little donkey come.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo)
From: Q
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 01:19 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo)
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 10:21 AM

thanks to who who've posted. this is an interesting thread.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo)
From: James Fryer
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 04:56 AM

Chords are IV-I-V7-I i.e.

          G               D                      A7               D
I took me donkey to Sande Grande, he bit off the hand of an obeah man


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo)
From: James Fryer
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 04:58 AM

Cursed variable width fonts, the chords change as below:

I took me
G
donkey to Sande
D
Grande, he bit off the
A7
hand of an obeah
D
man


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tondaleo....Tangaleo...??? (Tingalayo)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 05:23 PM

A tangential note: One of Fred Allen's notable character names (along with Titus Moody and Gunther Badoo) was Tondelayo Schwartzkopf. Those were the days


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