BS: Where's Doug?

Subject: BS: Where's Doug?
From: kendall
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:03 PM

I'm curious.Where is Doug?

Gas is out of sight, Karl Rove should be fired, Pat Robertson, a Christian, is advocating murder or kidnapping, and even the Bushites in Ohio are finally waking up.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: freda underhill
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:04 PM

good point, Kendall! (I hope he's okay!) & would be keen to hear his take on things!

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Cluin
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:07 PM

Whatever his take on it, you can bet it'll be a one-liner.

That's what I like about him.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: freda underhill
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:08 PM

hey, you took two lines to say that, Cluin!

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Cluin
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:11 PM

Spur of the moment decision, freda; I coulda used a semi-colon.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:48 PM

Well, he's the one who started the current Mudcat Tavern thread. Has anyone looked for him there?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:51 PM

Probably standing somewhere out there in the wilderness of Arizona, valiantly propping up his little corner of the sky.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: number 6
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 09:15 PM

Probably taking a break from here .. we all have to once in a while.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 09:27 PM

Amen to that.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 09:42 PM

Horsepucky!

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 09:59 PM

Maybe he did like Martin Gibson did and decided not to waste his time with total left-wing morons and idiots.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: GUEST,the Ghost of Edmund Burke
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:06 PM

You are most probably correct on that assertion Guest 09:59PM. May I ask what you are doing here associating with such left thinking minds as these catters.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:10 PM

Guest Tia, please take your horsepucky to the turd thread where it will be appreciated, maybe even lauded.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: bbc
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:13 PM

I'm hoping he's just happy w/ his wife & doesn't need Mudcatting as often. Best to you, wherever, Doug!

bbc

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: open mike
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:32 PM

does TIA stand for Transient Ischemic Attack ?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 11:54 PM

I miss the old right winger. He comes under such attack here, by myself from time to time, and others, that I hope he is just taking a break.

And I really would love to hear his take on Robertson.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 01:11 AM

I just PMed Doug and let him know there is some concern. He and I fight lots, but I really like him.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: kendall
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:00 AM

In my life time I have known hundreds of people and it has been my experience that the left wingers have much higher IQs than the right wingers.

As the saying goes, "If you are not incensed you don't know what is really going on."

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: kendall
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:12 AM

By the way oh nameless one, I'll match my IQ with any conservative I have ever met. Well, with one possible exception, my oldest daughter is a republican with an IQ of 130. My own is only 120.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 06:29 AM

Tia Maria = Aunt Mary

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 06:37 AM

On the 4th of August he posted 14 times, since when he has taken a vow of silence.
G..

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: John Hardly
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 08:07 AM

You're right, kendall. Intellectualism and liberalism go hand-in-hand.

...and, of course, I learned from my Education professor (a good liberal) that IQ, as a measurement, is too culturally biased to be of real value when assessing actual intelligence.

The fellow with the highest IQ in my highschool is a street person today. Ditto my good friend's brother who has a PHD, as well as a masters in engineering, and is fluent if three languages.

I do find that liberals, as here with kendall, do assume more about conservatives than conservatives assume about liberals. The liberals I know do believe that they are more intelligent, where the conservatives I know merely assume that liberals are philosophically bent differently. The conservatives I know aren't nearly so dismissive of liberal's intelligence -- conservatives accept better that intelligent people can disagree. Liberals are more convinced of their superiority (as with kendall here).

I think that much of that can be attributed to the fact that, on the whole, conservatives are far more familiar with liberal ideology than liberals are with conservative ideology. If asked, a conservative can argue a liberal point of view FAR more convincingly than a liberal can argue a conservative point of view. When liberals here attempt to present a conservative's point of view (and they do with great regularity) -- it is usually unrecognizable as conservative ideology.

In fact, as a case in point (RE: the subject of liberals assuming the worst of conservative's intelligence), as long as DougR is the subject...

...I remember distinctly when the subject of something non-political came up here on the mudcat. DougR piped up with some very useful information that, in the giving, showed how intimately DougR was familiar with the subject, and how much he had involved himself with this subject. But the subject was one that liberals have long believed was THEIR domain. One of the liberals here actually expressed their shock the DougR knew anything about the subject.

I doubt that anyone here has taken more undeserved abuse that DougR. Through it all, DougR has remained a VERY good sport. I've always admired that in him.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: kendall
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 10:43 AM

I too admire and like Doug. He is a gentleman.
By the way, I did not say, nor did I imply that I am superior. Better re read my post.
Finally, I used to be a republican and a staunch conservative, so I CAN argue that point.
You are right about one thing, a high IQ does not mean success,because, in our society, success is measured by how much you own and how much you have in the bank. In America, the almighty dollar is king.
Motto of the republican party: "Pull up the ladder, I'M aboard."

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Amos
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 10:51 AM

Well, I have a few conservative friends whose intelligence I admire, but it is a different sort of intelligence than mine, such as it is. It is geared toward hard-nosed negotiation, investing and day-trading, and adventure trips to the tops of moutains in far coutnries...not exclusively, of course. But when it comes to politics, they retreat into mouthing condemnations such as "you just don't get it" and reciting ovaloids and such. (I just made that term up for pat phrases generated from around the Oval Office, sound bites used to govern the PR with.)

Actually I think the whole "left-right spectrum" of attitudes is entirely too 2-dimensional to be of much real use. This has been clearly demonstrated int he categorical confusiosn that have surrounded many issues of late -- the "left" and "right" have swapped attributes in some cases and individuals have found they are on both ends of the spectru, on different points. I don't think it is a really useful map of ideological territory, because there are so many other dimension involved.

Doug R is steadfast and I have always enjoyed our disagreements. Hope he's ok.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 11:14 AM

I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death my right to stop you saying it. Amos, I think you are getting a bit confused between 'left/right' and 'liberal/ authoritarian'.

To the left, the state's main role is to redistribute wealth so as to tend towards an egalitarian society, and that the individual has strong communal responsibilities. The right sees the state mainly as a defender of individual, especially property, rights. This combines with left/ right to form a matrix.

So you get:

Liberal rightwingers
Authoritarian rightwingers (conservatives in the USA)
Liberal leftwingers (I'm one, and I'm RIGHT)
Authoritarian leftwingers (Communists for example)

Most people fall somewhere on the page, you can probably plot where you'd like to be (not the middle, that's WRONG).

You also get liars and chancers who are mostly solipsistic authoritarians (Stalin and Kissinger for example), and as monsters can't be mapped onto the same world as the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 11:15 AM

I hope Doug is busy at his job and making lots of money.

I don't doubt the intelligence of Kendall or Amos.   Both may be brilliant with high IQ's.

Research has shown over and over and over and over that the average intelligence of voters for republicans is higher than voters for democrats.   Indisputible evidence.   

The argument that liberals are smarter than concervatives or that conservatives are smarter than liberals is stupid and arrogant.

PS:   Mensa members has no higher average salary than non mensa numbers.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 11:22 AM

You are right about one thing, a high IQ does not mean success,because, in our society, success is measured by how much you own and how much you have in the bank....the current Shrub is a good example of this!

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: number 6
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 11:26 AM

I question the IQ of all of us here sometimes ... me included ... look at some of the threads we all get involved in ... just jokin.

In reference to the above statment:
"The fellow with the highest IQ in my highschool is a street person today " ... I sometimes wonder if they have it all figured out .. and we are the fools.

Six

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 11:30 AM

"Research has shown over and over and over and over that the average intelligence of voters for republicans is higher than voters for democrats.   Indisputible evidence."    LarryK

Love those studies. Links, please?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: pdq
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 11:45 AM

Ebbie,

Democrats have the top and bottom of the IQ range, Republicans the vast group in the middle. Super intellects such as Tom Lehrer and Isaak Asimov are quite liberal, but so are dolts like Natalie Maines and Steve Earl, who, on a bad day, drools on himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:02 PM

If I were able to write something like 'Rich Man's War' I doubt anyone would consider me a dolt.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: number 6
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:08 PM

The more I read this thread and see how it is progessing, the more I think ( and laugh to myself) about the thread Jim Dixon posted earlier today regarding the John Prine song "It's a Big Old Goofy world"

CHORUS: There's a big old goofy man dancing with a big old goofy girl.
Ooh, baby, it's a big old goofy world.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: kendall
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:55 PM

Ok, forget IQ. What it all boils down to as far as politics goes is simply this. We all vote with our wallets, and the republican party has never done squat for me. The Democrat party gave me Social security, the 40 hour week, overtime, child labor laws, Medicare and my wife's right to vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: kendall
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:59 PM

And, the republicans fought every one of those programs tooth and nail. I lived through the great depression, and if it hadn't been for Roosevelt and the compassion of the democrats I might have ended up in an orphanage or worse. Compassionate conservative...the ultimate oxymoron. Speaking of morons, that was a Bushism wasn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: John Hardly
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 01:39 PM

When I have voted Republican, it has not been because of my wallet. I also don't measure the value of a person by what they own. In fact, I detest that kind of evaluation of worth.


Amos,

"...they retreat into mouthing condemnations such as "you just don't get it" "

Check out the last post

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 02:04 PM

from Bobert:

"Unless you are capable and willing to look beyond *your* side then you are allready in the loser category in my book. I mean no disrespect here but life isn't about winning law suits but being able to find common ground or selling visions."

where I have quoted him...

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 02:27 PM

On the other hand, most of these threads are people calling themselves "conservatives" stereotyping and taking potshots at "liberals"...

BS: Great new product for Liberals

BS: Help for Mudcat Liberals         

BS: Jerry Springer's Radio show for Liberals         

BS: bleeding heart liberals         

BS: liberals,conservatives and southerners!!         

BS: What are liberals made of?         

BS: Libs....get your numbers straight...

Both "liberals" and "conservatives" are equally guilty of this sort of behavior, from what I've seen and heard.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:51 PM

CarolC,

Most of those threads were in reaction to an anti-conservative one of similar name. And I do not believe the "equally " guilty- as there are far fewer of us (here), we are less guilty! ( sarcasm)

There are FAR MORE anti-conservative threads than anti-liberal ones...

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: GUEST,Adolf
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:16 PM

I know exactly what you mean, Bearded Bruce. It's not fair! Like me in 1945, you and your small, embattled group of faithful and true conservatives find yourselves unfairly outnumbered and attacked constantly by what amounts to a grand liberal alliance...composed of fuzzy thinkers, do-gooders, anti-business fanatics, anarchists, self-righteous and corrupt democrats, and outright hardcore communists!

My advice is: Go down fighting. History WILL exonerate you.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:21 PM

ROTFLMAO

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:27 PM

Well, if you're going to talk about per capita percentages, I think the people who don't call themselves "liberal" actually produce more stuff aimed at "liberals" here in the Mudcat than the other way around. But I am still willing to believe that both sides give as good as they get.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: pdq
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:34 PM

Carol C,

Way back when, you stated that Mudcat was 97% Liberal, 3% conservative.

Evidently , conservatives "give as good as they get", just not as often.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:45 PM

When did I do that, pdq? I'm having difficulty imagining myself trying to project percentages like that.

But I really am talking about individuals. There are some individuals from both sides of the spectrum who are equally guilty of the sort of thing they are both complaining about. And there are many on both sides who are not very guilty of it. If you go to internet fora where there are more people who don't self-describe as "liberals", you will see the inverse of what you see here, ie: there are more non "liberals" who engage in these behaviors than "liberals".

"Liberals" don't have a monopoly on these behaviors. It's just that each side tends to only notice it when the other side does it. Being not of either side, I tend to notice it when anyone does it.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 07:14 PM

I think Doug lives in the next county over from me in North Texas. If someone will PM his particulars I'll look him up and give him a call. It's so Effing hot down here right now he may be laying low somewhere, not wanting to heat up his house by running the computer. Or maybe he got smart and headed down to the coast to a nice beach or somewhere else cool.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: pdq
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 07:28 PM

DougR may have been born in Texas but he now lives in Phoenix, AZ. He is a former Classical music symphony director and he and his wife have class. The last point, I believe, is what we will miss should he fail to return.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 07:49 PM

Arguments between Republicans and Democrats are arguments between two varieties of what in other places would be called "conservatives" (not a term which I'd actually see appropriate, since both sides seem so wedded to the idea of change for its own sake). I suppose that's why it gets so heated, sibling rivalry.
...................................................

Doug generally stays polite and level-headed in a discussion, and that can be more important here than whether we get it right or not. People on both sides in the arguments that flare up here from time to time would be well advised to follow his example.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 12:28 AM

Hmmm. I thought he identified himself as living here fairly recently. There are a couple of other Texas catters around, maybe they'll know the rest of this story. (But at any rate, if it's hot here, it's REALLY hot in Phoenix, so that story could still hold!)

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: kendall
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 06:49 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 06:56 PM

I guess it's time to put Chongo on this case. But who's gonna pay him?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Peace
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 07:08 PM

I do not at all buy into this liberal/conservative split on the 'cat, or in the world for that matter. There's them folks wot you like and them what you don't.

pdq is the other side of the political spectrum from me. I have in the past and likely will in the future messaged pdq to compliment his/her wit, sense of humour and once, I think, political position on an issue. I like pdq very much. I also like DougR, and I wish I knew where is is and whether he's doin' OK or not. I don't give a rat's ass about Doug's politics. I do care about him.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 11:03 PM

That's good sense on your part, Bruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: jimmyt
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 11:07 PM

I couldn't agree more Bruce. If everyone felt like you do and conducted themselves like you do it would be a much nicer place. The world and mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Peace
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 11:11 PM

I have my moments, jimmyt. Not enough of them, however.

But Doug has seldom failed to be a gentleman, and despite his "The sky is falling" rebuke, I miss him here. He was good for my blood pressure.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 01:19 AM

"...valiantly propping up his own little corner of the sky."

Pricelss, CarolC... I'm stealing it, thank you ....

(but you can have the references that came with it. I'd rather use it indiscriminantly, as the situation warrants. Besides, I ain't got a dog in this fight).

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 05:55 AM

I have quite afew friends who are conservative thinkers.

I enjoy their company and discussing our differing views.

However I draw the line at people who support our military action in Iraq, I simply dont believe good people can really blind themselves to the murder of innocent children.

Would any of you treat a terrorist who deliberately killed civilians as a friend? The opinions that people hold are part of their personna and everyone is responsible for their own opinions.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: kendall
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 05:20 PM

Doug is basically a good guy. As far as his politics go, he is misguided, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 06:24 PM

Akenaton: "I simply don't believe good people can really blind themselves to the murder of innocent children."

Well, it's simple, Ake. Those good people simply focus on the innocent children who are dying at someone else's hands, that's all. That's the part they notice. So Doug notices the innocent kids who are killed by Muslim suicide attackers and such. If some kids are killed "accidentally" by American forces, then he figures it is the fault OF the Iraqi insurgents who caused the situation which required a legitimate American response. And so it goes... ;-)

Thus, it is not only easy for good people to support the US position in Iraq (which you and I hugely oppose). It's ridiculously easy! It just depends who you choose to blame for the general situation, that's all. Doug blames Saddam, his supporters, and Muslim terrorists in general.

So...Doug is a good person...who happens to see only the side of the coin that he is prepared to focus on. That's exactly how it is with most people. You can support a totally wrongful cause with all the good intentions in the World, and people do. They always have done so, since time immemorial.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 06:36 PM

oh!

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 06:43 PM

LOL! You're having some fun at my expence, aren't you? (as if you didn't think of that, right?)

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 06:59 PM

Of course we all bear some collective resposibility for the bad things done in our name. Few of us lay down in front of the tanks, or refused to pay taxes.

we all buy in, we accept the good things our society provides us with.

I suppose in the end we have to hope that Mr Blair and Mr Bush are men of good faith, and that they have done what seemed the wisest course.

No doubt the many of the people who were incinerated in Hamburg and Dresden in WW2 were as innocent as the children who died in this latest conflict. its what happens in war.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 07:02 PM

Hey Hawk! I read a couple of posts from you on the Dylan thread which I disagreed with!

That's a first.

I think we may be "drifting apart".....Ake :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 07:06 PM

This war is "Tonys' War"

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:07 AM

This war is a business man's war. Nowt more and nowt less. Business loves to trade bodies for oil. Long as it ain't their bodies. Anybody's son or daughter will do.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 01:01 PM

not just anybody's ...just those that don't belong fathers and mothers in the executive or legislative branch of the U.S. gov't ...or the heads of major corporations.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 01:39 PM

True to that, GUEST.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 05:50 PM

Where did I read: 'Rich Man's war, Poor Man's fight'?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 01:59 PM

I sent him a PM about one of his favourite Tenors John Feeney from the 1950s TV Firestone shows, and also promising him to send the Cassette of the RTE programme, I haven`t had any response, surprising this, as this was the only thing we ever agreed on.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 02:16 PM

I will be in Dallas this weekend, and in Phoenix Oct 18-20. Do we know where he lives yet? Does anyone know his last name? I will put on my Blake Madison Private Eye hat and try to track him down if someone will provide some information. PM me if you prefer.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 03:12 PM

LeeJ, just sent you a PM which might be helpful...stuff gleaned from his postings.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 03:56 PM

His last name is Richards, I seem to remember.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: kendall
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 04:46 PM

Phoenix AZ

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: GUEST,DougR
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 04:58 PM

The telephone rang and when I picked it up a voice said, "I'm calling Doug Richards, is he there?" I replied, "Speaking." The voice said, "This is Lonesome E. J. Were you DougR on the Mudcat?" I said, "Yep."

Then he told me about this thread.

Number 6 is right. I decided to take a break from the Mudcat. The reason:I thought the political postings, mainly, were becoming a bit more personal than they needed to be. Those postings about political figures or policies that I support is what I mean. I don't believe that I ever questioned the right of anyone to think differently from the way I do, nor do I think I implied that because they did not agree with my POV the were inferior to me or less intelligent. We just thought differently. I thought a bit of a break would be in order and although I have missed the Mudcat, and many of my friends here, I think it was a good decision.

I am most appreciative of the many complimentary remarks I have read in this thread. I apologize for not replying to PMs, but I never received them. If they are still available, I'll try to reply to them. I emailed Joe and Max before I left and told them what I planned to do. I just didn't want to leave the way Martin Gibson and several others did because their departure messages just provoked many insensitive (to me anyway)posts. I thought it best to just steal quietly into the night. I am grateful to Lonesome E. J., though for tracking me down, and Kendall, thanks for starting this thread. You are a good friend, though I have never met you. I saw a couple of threads that I was tempted to dive into but then decided...nah, I might get hooked again.

I will make a couple of comments, though, about questions posed to me in this thread. What did I think about Pat Roberson's suggestion? I thought is was stupid. I don't take the Pat Robertsons or Jerry Falwells very seriously politically.

PDQ: I was not a symphony director (conductor). I was CEO of the Phoenix Symphony for eleven years. I am not a musician, I just love music, and from time to time strum my guitar and sing for my own amazement.

Kendall: I know you profess to have been a conservative at one time. You could not have been a dedicated one otherwise, you would NEVER have gone wrong. :>)

Oops! I hope this posts as I didn't sign in as a guest.

DougR

A couple of corrections to

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 05:00 PM

I have some rather astonishing news.

I found Doug's address and phone number and called him. His wife answered and told me Doug had experienced an epiphany while listening to an NPR piece about underpriviledged Mongol tribesmen. He apparently contacted Habit for Humanity afterwards, and has taken a 6 month sabbatical to help erect Yurts for these nomadic peoples. She will try to have him contact us.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 05:01 PM

Darn!! Missed it by THAT much.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: GUEST,DougR
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 05:11 PM

Oh, and Lonesome E. J., that was not my wife on the phone, that was me. I'm a tenor. :>)
DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Peace
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 05:19 PM

Glad you have posted, Doug. Whatever your decision, I have always, do and will continue to appreciate you. Have missed you and will continue to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 06:03 PM

Well done, LeeJ!

DougeR...ya set us all up at the Tavern, then didn't come back for a drink...classy, that...getting us going and drifting away. Still, it is NICE to see you here. Thanks for showing up.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 06:06 PM

Hang in there, Doug. Nice to hear from you. I don't blame you for taking a sabbatical from this place. It gets hard on the nerves sometimes, and there's so much else that one could be doing instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 06:19 PM

"Missed it by..." Blake Smart? Look up Jed Marum in Dallas, whydon'tcha? You bringing the trench coat to the Getaway?

Doug, as for taking a break, it seems like sometimes people get super-glued into roles based on a couple of things people know about them. It seemed like you were having problems being anybody but The Conservative Adocate around here. People shore do like them ruts 'round here.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:10 PM

Smart move, Doug.

Arguing with these morons accomplishes nothing.

Life away from here you will find is actually quite better. Way too many people living behind a screen instead of just living.

Signed, "the why bother to sign in, but the real Martin Gibson."

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 08:59 PM

Arguing with ANY moron (or anyone period) does not normally accomplish anything. That doesn't mean people won't keep doing it. Their egos won't ALLOW them not to keep doing it. They have to assert themselves to satisfy the incessant demands of their raging little ego. That's why you keep coming back here too, Martin. And me too, of course. Only I know it.

Of course life away from here is better. Far better. The only reason I'm here tonight is...I came downstairs, with nothing much to do, everything else is done, and the computer said, "Turn me on and check Mudcat. Do it now."

Little bastard's got me in its control... ;-)

Hey...it's not as bad as being controlled by a fucking TV for several hours a night. At least I'm doing something here.

Look, man, I've been in places where I never looked at a TV or a computer for months at a time...because there wasn't one. By God, did I have a good time too. It was like being born into real life again. I hope I'm back there soon, but it's not easy escaping mainstream El Norte America when you have a business to run on a daily basis.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:14 PM

Not entirely true for me, Little Hawk.

I have no real attachment here. Maybe a little morbid curiousity, that's all.

Maybe because I sing some folkmusic.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:18 PM

Well, yeah, I understand the morbid curiosity thing. I've got that too. That's why I open threads that just scream..."CAN OF WORMS!!!"

I just can't resist...

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 01:30 PM

Doug never mind the bloody politics, just Google John Feeney Tenor and you will find a Site which includes his career in Ireland and the US, very detailed and do click on the reference to RTE with details of the programme.

I`m sorry I accidently deleted it from my SKY+ box.

Keep hitting the high notes.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 05:55 AM

I'd miss him and his one-liners, even in political discussion. It only took him a few words to bring out the worst in his opponents.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 12:19 PM

Ah, Wolfgang. horse puckey

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 05:37 PM

Wolfgang: I didn't say that I didn't miss you folks, in fact I did. I just needed a rest. I'm going to sign back in today so that I will be legitimate when I come back in.

Ard Mhacha: I'll do that! Thanks for the suggestion.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: pdq
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 06:02 PM

Welcome, back, Doug R.

I have read some of the most hateful posts in the history of Mudcat today.

We need you here more than ever.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 09:36 AM

Ebbie, I could feel the worst coming up in me.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: kendall
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 09:59 AM

Many of us dislike Doug's politics, none of us dislikes Doug.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 10:48 AM

Here here!

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: DougR
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 03:30 PM

Wolfgang: "worst, or wurst?"

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Where's Doug?
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 03:52 PM

Ah, welcome back, Doug.

---Lepus Rex